No one ever said Dahmer was "involved". They thought it was pretty sick that Podesta would put a sculpture in his livingroom that was in the same pose as a perverted serial killer cannibal.
Problem is the sculpture and the pose has nothing to do with Dahmer. It's a completely false assertion. But yet you get to claim it's sick relying 100% on the false relationship to a perverted serial killer cannibal. A relationship that only exists in the POL world, not a relationship that the artist had in mine or a relationship that would have occurred to anyone outside of a witch Hunt. I have some passing familiarity with the Dahmer case and always seemed to me to be a ridiculous claim because the poses are dissimilar
It's just amazing to how that became an agreed-upon fact when it was a completely unsupported claim. No rationalism, no skepticism applied at all, a wild claim immediately accepted as true.
For folks just joining us the Dahmer connection is debunked.
We know the artist's inspiration. We know the artist was working and doing sketches way before Dahmer was known. And this photo was not shown at his trial. The first time this photo was seen outside law enforcement seems to be in a textbook on homicide that came out years after the sculpture.
The Dahmer photo is real. The sculpture is real. Podesta choosing to own and proudly display it is real. Just because the sculpture predates Dahmer or is even completely "unconnected" does not mean they both don't refer to the same topic or weren't inspired by the same source. Nor does it absolve Podesta.
The fact you are trying so hard to push the idea we are saying that there was a direct and deliberate, witting, connection between them is dishonest. It's exactly what the NYT and WaPo continuously do by claiming that pizzagate is about Hillary molesting kids in the basement of Comet Ping Pong. We never claimed that. If you were as skeptical and critical a thinker as you pride yourself in being, you'd be wondering why they keep saying that.
Podesta choosing to own and proudly display it is real.
Agreed.
Just because the sculpture predates Dahmer or is even completely "unconnected" does not mean they both don't refer to the same topic or weren't inspired by the same source. Nor does it absolve Podesta.
WTF? This leads to crazytown. Artist decides to paint scene from the Bible. Serial Killer crucifies his victim. No difference right? They were inspired by the same source weren't they? I mean one is a painting and one is murder, that might be a difference, but otherwise they are exactly the same otherwise.
This also ignores the fact that people can and do make great art out of horrific things. The Illiad, Oedipus Rex. Othello, the Pieta, Goodfellas, Silence of the Lambs, etc. And it does not make the people who appreciate that art horrible. You can also make lousy are out of horrific things as well.
The fact you are trying so hard to push the idea we are saying that there was a direct and deliberate, witting, connection between them is dishonest.
Dishonest? Are you high? This is from the an executive summary of pizzagate on this very board, a FULLY SOURCED executive summary
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
Alefantis also posted a picture of Tony Podesta’s sculpture modeled after a Dahmer victim
This is claimed as a FACT which is how I encountered many, many times on VOAT. And the old /pol thread seems to be the source of this claim. Some anonymous person makes and claim and within minutes it's a fact.
If you were as skeptical and critical a thinker as you pride yourself in being, you'd be wondering why they keep saying that.
No, it's because the origins of pizzagate make no sense whatsoever to an outsider and you can't easily sum them up in a few sentences in a news article. The incoherence begins with the dishonest use of Podesta's emails.
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Vindicator ago
You are such an asset to this sub :-)
Are_we_sure ago
Was this when they decided with zero evidence that Jeffrey Dahmer was involved?
Vindicator ago
No one ever said Dahmer was "involved". They thought it was pretty sick that Podesta would put a sculpture in his livingroom that was in the same pose as a perverted serial killer cannibal.
Are_we_sure ago
Involved in the pizzagate mythology.
Problem is the sculpture and the pose has nothing to do with Dahmer. It's a completely false assertion. But yet you get to claim it's sick relying 100% on the false relationship to a perverted serial killer cannibal. A relationship that only exists in the POL world, not a relationship that the artist had in mine or a relationship that would have occurred to anyone outside of a witch Hunt. I have some passing familiarity with the Dahmer case and always seemed to me to be a ridiculous claim because the poses are dissimilar
It's just amazing to how that became an agreed-upon fact when it was a completely unsupported claim. No rationalism, no skepticism applied at all, a wild claim immediately accepted as true.
For folks just joining us the Dahmer connection is debunked.
We know the artist's inspiration. We know the artist was working and doing sketches way before Dahmer was known. And this photo was not shown at his trial. The first time this photo was seen outside law enforcement seems to be in a textbook on homicide that came out years after the sculpture.
Vindicator ago
The Dahmer photo is real. The sculpture is real. Podesta choosing to own and proudly display it is real. Just because the sculpture predates Dahmer or is even completely "unconnected" does not mean they both don't refer to the same topic or weren't inspired by the same source. Nor does it absolve Podesta.
The fact you are trying so hard to push the idea we are saying that there was a direct and deliberate, witting, connection between them is dishonest. It's exactly what the NYT and WaPo continuously do by claiming that pizzagate is about Hillary molesting kids in the basement of Comet Ping Pong. We never claimed that. If you were as skeptical and critical a thinker as you pride yourself in being, you'd be wondering why they keep saying that.
Are_we_sure ago
I absolutely agree.
Agreed.
WTF? This leads to crazytown. Artist decides to paint scene from the Bible. Serial Killer crucifies his victim. No difference right? They were inspired by the same source weren't they? I mean one is a painting and one is murder, that might be a difference, but otherwise they are exactly the same otherwise.
This also ignores the fact that people can and do make great art out of horrific things. The Illiad, Oedipus Rex. Othello, the Pieta, Goodfellas, Silence of the Lambs, etc. And it does not make the people who appreciate that art horrible. You can also make lousy are out of horrific things as well.
Dishonest? Are you high? This is from the an executive summary of pizzagate on this very board, a FULLY SOURCED executive summary https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
This is claimed as a FACT which is how I encountered many, many times on VOAT. And the old /pol thread seems to be the source of this claim. Some anonymous person makes and claim and within minutes it's a fact.
No, it's because the origins of pizzagate make no sense whatsoever to an outsider and you can't easily sum them up in a few sentences in a news article. The incoherence begins with the dishonest use of Podesta's emails.