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Vindicator ago

Thanks for making this thread, Crensch.

It should be noted that there are many creative ways that username flares could be deployed, including some positive ones like a gold star or something for people's favorite researchers. People should think about this and share any ideas they have.

think- ago

many creative ways that username flares could be deployed, including some positive ones like a gold star or something for people's favorite researchers

As I said elsewhere, I don't think we should flair users. I don't want to give the impression that mods decide who is a 'good' user, and who is a 'bad' user.

People like Donkey are hated by almost anybody here anyway, and most people have figured out that DeathToMasonsASAP is a troll, who has been attacking the sub from the beginning.

And other users are highly respected anyway, with or without 'gold stars'.

I don't want to see the sub turning into a 'who-get's-the-prize-for-best-essay' site, and I don't want users here being afraid that they might be labelled 'shill', only for disagreeing with mods or other users.

People here are more sensitive than on other Voat subs. Many who come here, or read as lurkers, are survivors. I would like to see them feeling as comfortable as possible, and the constant fear of getting labelled would lead to them being afraid to speak their minds imo.

Also, I don't want to see the - perceived - gap between mods and users who are not modding getting deeper.

We should continue with our ban policy as usual. Bans are given only for violating the rules, not for comments (except for spam, doxxing or posting incriminating material). Imo this should stay this way.

Crensch ago

@Vindicator where are you on this now? Seems like the other users are slightly against it overall, and that's not including the known shitstirrers.

I'm more or less ambivalent, and would probably lean towards not using them if I had to choose.

Introducing the flairs is a great way to add extra variables to this shitstorm equation, and multiple vectors of attack for the shills. I LIKE the idea in an idealistic kind of way, but the reality is that it will very likely be used against us.

I introduced an alternative to @Piscina here, and anyone can call out a username like that. Maybe some of the other users will take up that particular baton and help out when they see one of them posting.

As of this comment, removing all the flairs currently in effect. Will reinstate if the discussion takes that kind of turn.

RIPJem ago

YOU AND THE OTHER MODS WERE EXPOSED FOR YOUR LIES AND MANIPULATION.

YOUR HATEFUL HIT PIECES ON MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHO DIED INVESTIGATING IN REAL LIFE AND ANY WHO DEFEND THEM ARE DISGRACEFUL AND MALICIOUS.

YOUR VINDICTIVE PLAN TO ORGANIZE DOWNVOTES AND ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT, BAN AND LABEL USERS WHO HAVE EXPOSED YOUR LIES AND IGNORANCE HAS BACKFIRED.

YOU ARE SO WRONG, WEAK AND INDECISIVE YOU HAVE HASTILY IMPLEMENTED AND REVERTED THE ENTIRE PLAN IN LESS THAN TWO DAYS.

YOU KNOW NOTHING AND YOU FALSELY ACCUSE THOSE WHO KNOW MORE THAN ALL OF YOU COMBINED.

YOU ARGUE ABOUT THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU AND OTHERS LAUNCH FALSE ACCUSATIONS WILDLY IN ALL DIRECTIONS WHILE YOU PROTECT EACH OTHERS' POSITIONS ON THE FAKE PEDESTAL.

WHAT IS YOUR FALSE SENSE OF POWER WORTH WHEN YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING?

WHAT IS YOUR FALSE SENSE OF POWER WORTH WHEN YOUR USERS END UP DOXXED, DEAD AND MURDERED?

WHY DID YOU CALL JENNY MOORE AND OTHERS SUCH TERRIBLE AND INEXCUSABLE NAMES?

WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF THE TRUTH?

httpswwwdotcom ago

I really like the flair idea and would have blindly accepted its implementation until I read this comment.

You make a good point and I don't think it would be that much of a stretch to assume that the same users claiming the mods are bad/shills/agents/etc would also claim that the mods use flairs as another form of censorship or misdirection etc. Furthermore, it does actually open up an avenue for control with malicious intent—operating under the assumption that everyone can be compromised, that is.

However, I do think it would be funny to see some big red warnings over the incredibly irritating trolls.

ben_matlock ago

i think @think- thinks like me

think- ago

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall: please see parent.

IShallNotFear ago

I don't know if we should highlight the prominent researchers. I have always thought that pizzagate is more about what is said than who said it. I don't want pizzagate to be like regular news media where people think, "CBS said it so it must be true." I don't even want it to be like many conservative circles where people pick their favorite talking head (Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, Lauren Southern, etc) and defend them against other conservative criticism no matter what. I want users to have about the same level of critical thinking and skepticism on a post made by a new user as on a post made by someone who has been here since the beginning. Look, I know if you flaired popular researchers, I may be included as one of the good guys. However, I have had to retract stories in the past. See here here and here. I don't want people to blindly believe what I say if I am wrong. Also, I don't want my previous mistakes to taint other's opinions when I do get it right.

Edit: Had to change one of my retraction links. I guess that is an example of what I was referring to above.

Vindicator ago

This is an excellent point, ishallnotfear. Thanks for making it.

One reason the flairs are being considered is because of the Jem777 thing. For some reason, no one seemed to remember the comments I made numerous times before, during and after I had to ban her exposing the lies she was telling and suspicious behavior she was exhibiting. A flare for that kind of thing next to her username while it would have been met with anger, would at least have allowed us to have a conversation that critically examined the situation. Instead, everyone forgot about it and she went on and on and on off platform apparently fooling Robyn Gritz and a lot of other people. We still don't know what is really going on with Jem. The flares would trigger more critical discussion of suspicious contributions and help prevent sleeper shills from taking people for a ride.

On the other hand, depending on how it's used, this could increase the controversy and drama here and have a chilling effect on research. That's why we need to discuss it.

think- ago

On the other hand, depending on how it's used, this could increase the controversy and drama here and have a chilling effect on research.

This is exactly what is going to happen if we introduce flairs here imo, and this is why I'm against introducing flairs.

ben_matlock ago

i understand the reasoning for adding the user flairs and was at first glance supportive of it. but after some thought and reading some of the objections here, i'd like to go on record to say that I also am against the flairs. i feel the negatives (creating drama/chilling effect on research) would outweigh the positives.

think- ago

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall: please see parent above.

think- ago

fooling Robyn Gritz and a lot of other people

How do you know she fooled Gritz? Maybe Gritz has been connected to her, and contributed to fooling everybody?

Vindicator ago

Yes, that is also a possibility I have been considering. Which would mean OAN is possibly involved as well.

think- ago

Which would mean OAN is possibly involved as well.

Yes.

Blacksmith21 ago

Or maybe Gritz was playing Jem777? Gritz > Flynn > Targets of McCabe, et al.

GRITZ is who Flynn was protecting from the FBI. "First we fuck Flynn, then we fuck Trump".

think- ago

GRITZ is who Flynn was protecting from the FBI.

Yes, I know. You mean this gives her credibility?

Or maybe Gritz was playing Jem777?

Could very well have been the case.