*** Our usual sticky, the Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence, can be found in the sidebar and here. ***
There's been a great discussion over the past few weeks in v/pizzagatewhatever about what users would like to change in order to improve the functioning of this subverse, so we'd like to take an official poll to gauge sentiment. I will describe details here, and list individual proposals separately in the Comments below; please upvoat or downvoat each of them and/or leave a subcomment to voice your opinion on the matter.
Item #1: Should we turn on the 100 CCP Downvoat setting (Doesn't prevent shitposts; Removes us from being visible outside this sub)
The primary concern discussed is cutting down the number of shill and troll posts by limiting downvoats to those who have 100 Comment Contribution Points. Please be aware there was quite a bit of misinformation contained in that discussion. Here are the facts:
Kevdude explained to me how CCP works:
CCP are points we get for comments. The middle number at the top is your sitewide ccp. Once that hit 100 you can downvote. You can not downvote anywhere if you are under 100.
In the sidebar there is the minimum ccp to dv in a sub. That refers to your in-sub ccp which is ccp you generate on the comments you make in that sub. (which is why under that you see "your ccp for this sub"). That does not mean new users with 0 ccp can downvote. It just means tgat you don't have to generate points in the sub to dv there. If you raise the sub minimum 2 things happen. Users can no longer generate ccp for the sub and the sub is blocked from v/all.
@VieBleu characterized the 100 CCP limit to downvoat as a "figleaf" and implied it limits people's ability to submit material. The first point is accurate, the second is not.
To clarify: turning on this setting has NO IMPACT on the ability to submit or comment. It's main effect is to prevent our material from being seen outside this subverse (something many shills and several pedos who frequent this board would love to have happen!) and stop each of us from accruing Comment Contribution Points for our comments within this subverse. This could have the unintended effect of severely limiting those who primarily contribute to v/pizzagate! CCP is an important buffer -- if people downvoat your comments into the negatives, you lose the ability to comment. Organized downvoat brigades can effectively silence those with low CCP. Currently, SCP -- submission contribution points -- have no effect on the ability of your account to take action on Voat (other than demonstrating you are an actual contributor).
Based on this, I believe turning on the 100 CCP downvoat minimum would unnecessarily empower the shills and trolls -- the exact opposite of the intended effect, which is why @Crensch @Kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion and others who have been pinged about this have said no. However, because users have requested it, I am going to include it in this poll as item number one. Please make an informed vote.
Proposal #2: Turn on the "Only allow submissions from authorized users" feature & Authorize users who introduce themselves in new sister-sub
In the thread mentioned above, user @GoodGodKirk suggested we create a Pizzagate Introductions sister-sub, and close submissions to those who have not introduced themselves. I believe that would be FAR more effective and have less negative consequences for legit users than turning on the 100 CCP Downvoat option. However, it would require we stop allowing submissions from everyone until they make a post in the new subverse. The downside to this is that it would radically downthrottle content in the short term. This is a huge change and would need a demonstration of major support from the community, but could be a very interesting experiment! Please vote and comment below.
Include any thoughts you may have about how to get the most out of an intros sister-sub to hinder shills and support legit Pizzagoats. For example, before approving submitters, we could require they subscribe to all five (now six) sister subs -- so that stuff from v/pizzagatewhatever ends up on their front page and people aren't so reluctant to post speculative or unsourced stuff there.
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
In VieBleu's threads, various ideas and proposals were put forward, including adding me as an O. I have mixed feelings about that and feel really weird putting it in a sticky. I am including it, though, because I said I would do this sticky based on what was discussed. Two new facts have come to light however since that thread that may make this a moot point:
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
This topic has caused massive frustration for users and mods, and will require it's own sticky, as there are a number of issues and this could dramatically shift what is allowed to remain on the board. For now, please voat about whether we should discuss this, and leave a comment about why stuff that's removed now should be included, or why not, so those thoughts can be included in a future sticky.
Proposal #5: Hide the "Share a Link" button
The low effort required to post in v/pizzagate via Share a Link, as well as the inability to edit post headlines (Link posts are ONLY headlines) to satisfy the rest of the submission rules make this idea very attractive to mods. We have to take down numerous otherwise legit posts because people don't take the time to write a clear, accurate headline that explains how the link they are sharing is directly related to Pizzagate. We can't remove the functionality, but we can hide the button. This would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary post removals on technicalities.
Those are the five main proposals as I saw it. If I've missed any, please include them in the Comments below. Give them a headline like I have done (put a "#" with no space at the beginning of the headline, and a double carriage return after, some text describing why you think the change should be made, and ask people to vote on it.)
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VieBleu ago
I AM COMING COMING TO THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO GET THE HARRASSMENT CAMPAIGN OF KEVDUDE AGAINST ME STOPPED - I NEED HELP
Aside from being all over this thread, calling me a liar, that I've poisoned the subforum, intended to misinform etc, and constant villifying me, I get weird mentions like this in my inbox - https://voat.co/v/AnonTalk/2092172, I had another one thread sent to me by Kevdude two days ago with a headline simply calling me a cunt, something about my children all being killed, or maybe that was the one before, etc from out of nowhere (no prior discussion to generate it). I have tried to just not answer the person, then I get villified for that. I cannot have an exchange without that one becoming insulting usually either eviolently or vilely - Usually I have ignored all this stuff - its been ongoing for months - as you are supposed to be here with a thick skin. I started a pizzagatewhatever community discussion here https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2033192 and here https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2030995 when I was directed to by a mod, who I asked what is the proceedure for getting things stickied for a vote. so we had a vote and generated several issues of importance, which was the genisis of this sticky. yes I crusaded for the CCP idea and we have finally gotten to the bottom of site mechanics and done some testing. We all understand it better now because I asked FuzzyWords and her clear cut explanations helped more than anything else we'd been told. I think all of this could have been avoided if a community announcement had been made on this subforum at the time the CCP restriction was changed. The whole issue is obviuosly of genuine interest to the community, not just me, but I am villified again and again. To paraphrase the Elephant Man, "I am not an Amalek!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_PzQAx9wgs
So below is the comment I left on the weird Anonymous thread. Everyone has a tipping point, and after months and especially the last few days, this felt like stalking and this was it. I was just going to cry, answer it and leave it, but something tells me I should show it to everyone. There is something about a predator type isolating a target for further abuse which is a trap I don't want to allow. So the question to the whole place is this - I have had exactly one account and one name on this subverse since I started last December. I know this community knows I am not a multiple liar, an intentional mis- and dis- information spreader, someone who works to cripple/poison/isolate the pizzagate subverse, an investigation derailer, paranoid, dense, ignorant, stupid, a cunt etc Because I have been called all this and more by only one individual on this thread within the last 48 hours who I have not even been in a discussion with. Yeah, it's his right, but I'm asking now can he be asked by anyone he respects to lay off? Anything? Do I have to endure consistent abuse to try to get some positive change on an internet forum that is supposed to help child abuse victims? Do we really want to be a group that has a Punisher In Chief who doesn't even contribute in any visibly significant way to the investigation? Millenial_Falcon is taking a lot of heat from the community, but some heat needs to be turned up on this behavior too - I feel it is way more toxic and poisonous to our efforts than anything I contribute. Edit: Here is an example of the kind of material I contribute - http://archive.is/jXPz8)) I have seen another comment on this thread saying the males beat up on the women here, if you want it I'll search through, it's here. Other people have called for more civility. We need to find it somehow. Thanks for hearing me out, all of you.
@VictorSteinerDavion, @kingkongwaswrong, @Vindicator, @cantsleepawink, @quantokitty, @Honeybee, @The1stLantern, @Millennial_Falcon, @ESOTERICshade, @votescam, @AngB23, @argosciv, @equineluvr, @SecondAmendment, @badastrid, @darkknight111, @Dressage2, @Factfinder2, @2impendingdoom, @4_InquiringMinds, @DerivaUK, @sunajAeon, @UnicornandSparkles, @Judgejewdy, @carmencita
Edit -Note this post does not belong in pizzagatemods as @KevDude claims he is not a mod in this thread - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2086828/10307566
EDIT: I am not a liar. I have never even deleted a comment on voat. I am as transparent as it is possible to be. I can get the other comment too if I have to dig that one up, starting with calling me cunt. It was deleted after several hours from pizzagatemods 4 days ago when I didn't bite.
There has been a request to focus on the "children killing" comment in my post. Below is what I was referring to. This is just par usual, and during the conversation it was very clear I was talking to an alt of KevDude - he came to the subverse when I kicked up a stink about all the archived accounts littering the front page, which got it fixed btw. He was civil for two minutes then lapsed into his usual abuse. Since he is denying this so vehemently I put it here, but it is not the main problem. If this is all he'd done, that'd be fine. Its just the continual slander and the campaign that needs to stop. He won't acknowledge his behavior, and it was his campaign that caused that weird anonymous thread in my inbox either directly or indirectly.
He will of course deny it, then call me the liar. I don't care. This isn't the biggest deal by any means, just one of the things that came to mind when I was writing this stuff up.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2016213/9945761
/\/\/\/\ This is classic KevDude, known by his signature racial hate. Here is the other one lately, from pizzagatemods
@VieBleu you fucking cunt. LYING about one of the owners of PG in your big post to get us to change things suggests that you have ulterior motives for your proposed changes. (voat.co)
submitted 4 days ago by [deleted] to pizzagatemods
argosciv ago
Okay yep, this deserves it's own comment...
TL;DR: @kevdude, I see no reason to link the alleged abuse vie has received, to you
What the FUCK is this shit? I have literally been dos'd(I have the logs) for my recent contestable submission(someone has access to users' ip addresses, I can assure you that), I don't know who it was, but it was very real...
This here, though, this is just dumb.
@VieBleu, maybe you're not lying, maybe you genuinely think MrPim is kevdude and/or @PuttItOut,
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2016213/9945761
but, that is conjecture at best(as you have provided no evidence to link the two) and as I swiftly found out myself when haphazardly posting a submission which I had not done enough research on, this can really cause you damage.
You remind me of another user (who I won't name or ping) who is VERY prone to assuming that the mods(MF in particular) are in cahootz with the worldfuckers, while he does often provide seemingly useful information that is otherwise strongly contested, he is often accusing pretty much everyone of being the boogeyman out to get him.
I never like calling people crazy, Vie, but, I do think that if you are genuine in your presence here, you are confused greatly and may need to just take a break or something? This really looks like mostly a case of mistaken identity blown way out of proportion.
Kev, I hear you when you say there's an apparent agenda in Vie's posting, of particular note is his view on "one owner" and kkwr's presence - perhaps I'm playing too much Devil's Advocate here, but, is it possible that Vie is just a little confused as to how things operate, not only on v/pizzagate, but also voat and with world fuckery abroad?
If I may, I'd like to take a moment to weigh in on this whole "potty mouth is okay" stuff... @Crensch, I'm sure you'll lambast me for this, go for it, I mean no ill intent nor insubordination nor to display any lack of gratitude for the platform being provided here. You and I will not see eye to eye on many things, but, I don't necessarily challenge your reasoning for presenting the way you do - please understand that I'm not a "lefty", nor a censorship advocate nor any other such low-level bleeding heart moron, or at least, do not identify with that crowd.
I am not a fan of the way some users 'abuse' free speech, no, my feelings are not hurt and I don't mean for 'abuse' to imply strictly negative things; For a simple example, imagine a teacher saying one of the following: "One plus one equals two", "Okay cunts listen the fuck up! One plus fucking one, equals two, you fucking niggers!", sure it's funny as fuck to imagine, but is it really a practical way to get the point across?
I really don't mind it most of the time(I myself can be quite unreserved in other settings), as I'm reading through for the information anyway, but, it does add clutter and it does make the more sensitive users(who are otherwise possibly good, honest, smart people) question what they're reading; it's somewhat counter productive to keep laying on the teasing and crudeness, when the important information could be just as easily delivered without it.
I get it, this is frustrating shit for anyone who's had to deal with it in ANY capacity, for more than 5 minutes - I really don't blame you for just wanting to put dickheads in their place and exercise freedom of speech without judgement, I'll admit that I can be a bit judgemental about this whole thing, but, even I can understand that most any of it(the crudeness) is not intended as a personal insult (bit hard for nigger or faggot to mean anything if the insulter doesn't personally know that the insulted is either, right?).
Just my 2cents on the matter.
You fucking kikes :P (please note: last line is not meant to be taken seriously in any conceivable way)
Crensch ago
Fucking props to you, faggot. Seriously, I tip my MAGAbyremovingniggers cap to you.
No, the invective I lace my words with is not necessary. I can almost guarantee that there would be little to none had the whiny PG faggots actually had a point at SOME time in the past 6+ months when attacking a mod, but none do. And when they don't, I go from not feeling the need or desire to lace my words, to wanting to abuse the "users" in question.
There are many instances in my comment history of me being sweet as pie to someone that seems like they honestly want to discuss something. I'm seriously open to it at any time. What I get from PG is either people that have no idea how logic/arguments/Voat/the-real-world works, OR what appear to be paid-for shills stirring up shit. VERY few in between.
It's also a filter. What many do not understand is that such things have successfully fended off numerous attacks on this website. Many instances of (most likely) shilling where the shills "literally cannot have this conversation right now" because... ? (they have oversight that won't allow them to engage over the offensive subject-matter or wanting to avoid those hurt feefee words, IMO)
That's a bit of a false equivalence there, don't you think? Unless someone sees mods as teachers, or teacher-like? I can't quite wrap my mind about that being the case. Mods are janitors here, unless they're cancer.
Literally the opposite. I detect no bullshit from you, and respect you for what you've written here.
Good.
You didn't present yourself as a lefty faggot cuck. You presented yourself as a reasonable person that does not agree with some things.
Remove the parentheticals, IMO.
Since you can navigate my words and see that I'm not just some NaziHaterComment chatbot, check out the rest of Voat. You might be pleasantly surprised that despite some shitposts here and there, we're not completely full of shit.
argosciv ago
Oh I get it, I've seen many people trap shills with something along the lines of "Call me a kike and mean it", the accused shill then disappears... this is why I don't intervene when I see someone doing their thing to out a shill, but will speak up if I think someone is being abusive just for the sake of it and otherwise possibly going a bit far, but, that's not me trying to censor any information that may be relevant.
Sorry, to clarify, I was not speaking strictly in the sense of mods, but, any user in general who is trying to share information or "red-pill" as it's often referred to here. The role of the teacher is also one which goes well beyond a school/classroom setting, which doesn't necessarily bolster my point, but is worth noting.
Similarly, even trolling and crudeness has a much more profound ancestry than most understand, see: Heyoka.
Fine, fuck, get off me ya nigger-loving kike!
I never thought the crude users were full of shit, they just talk a lot of it sometimes :P
Crensch ago
In my experience, the internet has forged certain defense mechanisms in people's minds that needs to be disarmed before rational discourse can happen. I find that relentless attacking and triggering of these mechanisms lead to a battle fatigue that causes the mechanisms to fail, resulting in authentic discourse.
But I realize some have the gift of being able to calmly and politely disarm it.
THAT's what I'm looking for. Grab sack and sound off like you've got a pair!
Cheers, bud.
argosciv ago
I can't disagree with your method. I mean, forgive me for saying it, but it's kind of a page directly out of Worldfuckery 101 - NLP, but, using their own methods to our advantage is pretty effective if done 'for the right reasons', in this case, aiming for authentic discourse rather than mind control.
Crensch ago
Unfamiliar with that text.
I'm guessing you mean where humans are mass-inundated with shit until they give up and finally accept X or Y that the powers that be want them to accept?
Never made the connection between those tactics and mine before, thanks.
argosciv ago
haha, well no doubt you'd have heard of Neuro-linguistic Programming(NLP)?
What I mean is that your method of "attacking/triggering these mechanisms", in order to get a specific response, is very much employed by the worldfuckers(my word for "the elites/illuminati" et al) in other ways, for their own nefarious purposes.
So, yes, you understood me correctly :P
Crensch ago
Oh man... like 15 years ago or something, maybe?
Stellar.
Factfinder2 ago
VB, if you weren't going through personal family distress, you'd no doubt have the fortitude to just shake off the crude and unwarranted attacks. Everyone whose opinion you'd care about has appreciated your work and thanked you for it. I hope you can disengage from this fight and find some peace.
I just posted a suggestion to Vindicator that would help with that if it is instituted--a block button. I don't know whether it's technically possible to set that up, but it would be a great improvement if we as individual voaters could choose to simply not see the posts or comments of people we find to be rude or distracting from the research.
argosciv ago
Bloody hell...
This is gonna take a bit of time to get through, both your post and the comments discussing it.
Will either update this comment later, or post another if the update will be large.
Crensch ago
@ESOTERICshade @ThePuppetShow
Read really carefully below/above the comments from users piling on here as if they're manufacturing consensus against the mods/kevdude.
Not one of them can link an archive, or anything at all proving that @kevdude threatened this user, but watch them act as if it is truth - kinda like the MSM.
And really, too, even the users that kinda seem like they just have their own axe to grind... just LOOK at those "arguments". Look at how pathetically they hem-haw over irrelevancies, like our tone when speaking to them.
If you have the ability to learn something, and aren't somehow linked to the shills or sissies, try to learn something here.
I'm not unreasonable, I just don't put up with bullshit. And if that, to your mind, means that you think me unreasonable, well, I've got bad news for you.
ThePuppetShow ago
Honestly, I'm not sure how @kevdude is the one being attacked here after making what I believe is the most reasonable comment, by a "mod" in the thread. I know he isn't a mod here. I don't get along with you fuckers either, but right is right. Anyone can check the history on that. Could this be to distract from the former? I don't know.. All I know is I'm constantly on the front lines trying to disprove the bullshit and having mods call me a shill, then all of a sudden I'm getting framed up in bullshit threads has got me real fucking curious.
Crensch ago
Cheers to that.
Pretty sure there are some users/mods on both sides getting played here, but I don't have the time/resources available atm to parse out what's what and who's who to my satisfaction.
All I know is that MF is constantly attacked, and nobody ever seems to be able to link valid submissions that were deleted.
VieBleu ago
I just put the links in the post, and also under kevDude's comments. The talk itself isn't so much what bothers me - I didn't believe children were ACTUALLY threatened. It's just an ongoing campaign which is too much, along with the anon thread, which was stimulated by KevDude either directly or indirectly - no one else thinks I am a liar or posts anything like that ever regarding me.
Just tell KevDude to lay off me and let's get back to what is important.
Crensch ago
Looks more like a whole lot of fabricated bullshit by a shitstirring cunt.
Literally everyone in the mod team thinks you're a liar; because you are. You've demonstrated enough times that you're willing to fabricate shit to push your agenda that we no longer believe you.
VieBleu ago
Liar based on what? I have never been called a liar except recently by KevDude and I am not a liar.
The links are there, you asked for them, ignore them if you that's what you are going to do. Whatever.
Vindicator ago
VieBleu, I woudn't necessarily say "you're a liar". But I would say you are disingenuous. You have presented false information repeatedly, after being informed of your error, repeatedly. In the original threads in v/pizzagatewhatever, you DMed me a bunch of questions you wanted to post in the thread about how I became a mod and where I stood on things, asked if I was okay answering them, and then before I could respond yay or nay, made a thread asking me publically. Now, I don't have a problem with asking a mod publically where they stand or any of the questions you asked. But it is not honest to ask someone if they are okay with a group of questions, and then post it before you get their feedback. It is hardcore manipulation. It is the mark of a stunted character.
Seeing your literally baseless accusations attempting to smear @Kevdude with ALL CAPS headlines demanding the community "help" you by tarring and feathering him really confirms a vicious pattern I have experienced with you. You try to control people, and when they don't just go along with you, you resort to manipulative, bullying tactics. It's weak. And it really shits up the experience of this subverse for other users who are honestly frustrated and want to make changes to improve things.
Look at what you did. You came into this thread and tried to turn it into a discussion about YOU and Kev. Right when we had successfully identified a number of key points about how to move forward. I can't respect that.
Crensch ago
Literally every submission of yours in which I was called in, and showed you to be utterly full of shit.
Your not having heard what others think of you doesn't negate the fact that they think that of you.
Your links were couched in lots of emotional wordsalad, and appeared to need to be in order to convince people of your intellectual prowess that you are a poor victim of @kevdude.
Try again. Formatted like this:
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Oh, and you don't know nearly enough about kevdude to make accusations like kevdude = Mr.Pim.
YOU PG FAGGOTS ARE HATED BY MOST OF VOAT and the only thing keeping you here is me and @kevdude. Once putt puts into place his "users decide on mods" stuff and me and VSD get removed, this place is going to get destroyed by the other goats. There will be no more PG on here - not this subverse, or any other.
I've explained this to you before, and you refused to believe me. Unlike you, I'm not a liar, so maybe you should read what I have written.
Millennial_Falcon ago
If @PuttItOut's new policy will result in people who hate this community taking it over and destroying it, how exactly does that promote free speech?
FuriousYT ago
@Crensch
Don't know you and don't care to, but as a casual reader/poster on the PG subverse, I observe that your comments are completely inappropriate and unprofessional and it's obvious you should remove yourself as a mod as you clearly do not have the temperament to be a "moderator" of anything. Maybe you are better suited to being a poster/troll in some other forum. Good luck to you.
Crensch ago
Whatever, Milgram-Obedient faggot. I'm not a SJW, and I don't censor my words to your liking. Guess what? That means precisely dick about my qualifications for anything at all.
The ONLY reason the internet has even a single PG place that hasn't been taken down, like rEddit or the recent wiki takedown, is ME and @kevdude. That's it. You would have NOWHERE to post your whiny hissyfit bullshit if it weren't for us.
You came from a place where mods and admins curated what you could say and see. You're the type that would prefer a convenient lie over an inconvenient truth, and that makes you part of the dregs of a dying social construct. If you live out your natural life, you'll get to see the return to a more FUCK YOU version of society that values content over feefees. That you would appreciate it like pigs appreciate pearls makes it a tragedy.
Maybe you're better suited to discussing pizzagate on rEddit.
Oh, wait...
VieBleu ago
There has been a request to focus on the "children killing" comment in my post. Below is what I was referring to. This is just par usual, and during the conversation it was very clear I was talking to an alt of KevDude - he came to the subverse when I kicked up a stink about all the archived accounts littering the front page, which got it fixed btw. He was civil for two minutes then lapsed into his usual abuse. Since he is denying this so vehemently I put it here, but it is not the main problem. If this is all he'd done, that'd be fine. Its just the continual slander and the campaign that needs to stop. He won't acknowledge his behavior, and it was his campaign that caused that weird anonymous thread in my inbox either directly or indirectly. The other abusive headline calling me a cunt was in pizzagatemods and is deleted so there is no link but it is in my submission mentions history.
He will of course deny it, then call me the liar. I don't care. This isn't the biggest deal by any means, just one of the things that came to mind when I was writing this stuff up.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2016213/9945761
@fuzzywords sorry you are dragged into this @kevdude
cantsleepawink ago
This is not acceptable VieBleu . It's about time we sorted this.
equineluvr ago
This stalking by KevDude is asinine. He acts obsessed.
There is a lot of stalking around here (see Crayzie's obsession with Don Keyhote and myself, who she erroneously insists are the same poster) but not to this degree. Crayzie is just an annoyance, like a gnat really. She has never threatened anyone to my knowledge.
VieBleu is one of the TOP posters here, and I think we all know of her high degree of integrity. No, threatening someone's children, etc. should NOT be tolerated. We have already dealt with that once before (see AbortionBurger).
Frankly, I don't understand why mods aren't more proactive on this. They allow shills like DickHead/MethHead, Bangles, Jew777, and Dressage to continue posting -- I get that because it's technically not a TOS violation. But THREATS should be if they aren't already.
Take care and hang in there, VB. This poster stands beside you (despite your ping list).
cantsleepawink ago
That's what I think too.
That's a very big question.
darkknight111 ago
Honestly, we as a community NEED to have an honest heart to heart regarding civility.
NOT as a rule for that can be abused, but as a community enforced "Gentleman's Agreement".
Crensch ago
You snowflakes are HOSTED by one of the few places on the internet left for the kind of people that don't give a fuck about your SJW tone-policing. It's not happening, at least at the [O]/kevdude levels.
If you want your bubble of Milgram Obedience to not get popped, follow the rules and stop supporting the shills attacking PG and its mods.
darkknight111 ago
*facepalm
If you're calling me an SJW then you have completely missed the point.
"Gentleman's Agreement" is a reference to the concept of "The Golden Rule", one of the most ancient philosophies on how people should live their lives. I think its origins are either Greek or New Testament era. Gentleman's Agreement is purely voluntary in nature. It is NOT formally enforced by rules. That's why we have the voat arrows.
"Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself".
Disagreement is perfectly acceptable under this philosophy. Take apart arguments, but be constructive in your criticisms. You may even sway your opponent to your side that way.
Crensch ago
I doubt it.
Keep that shit to yourself. The Golden Rule is a white-shaming tactic (because we're the only ones capable of feeling shame) and nothing else. Voat, and the real world, don't give a fuck about your feelings.
Do I look like I don't want to be treated in kind? I WANT someone to come in here and rip my words to pieces and show me to be an absolute fucking liar. PROVE ME WRONG and do it with as much invective as you can muster.
Oh wait, nobody can, because I'm not wrong.
As someone that sways plenty of people already, I don't need sissies that can't weather some insults hurled at them to understand me. I don't WANT weakling faggots on my side.
Here. Enjoy realizing that you aren't actually about having your opinion swayed on anything you consider a sacred cow. Enjoy figuring out that you're a weak-willed faggot that would be on rEddit if only they hadn't BANNED PG, and that the website full of people that want to RIP YOU TO PIECES textually are the only ones willing to host you bunch of sissy-fuck faggot SJWs.
Vindicator ago
Frankly, the kids this subverse wants to help don't need weakling faggots on their side, either.
argosciv ago
I'm probably overstepping my confidence here and going to cop a proverbial slap upside the head, but, I'm going to admit to downvoating this and why:
Frankly(not mocking), I believe that any genuine help is good - the more eyes the better. Obviously this whole thing is only the beginning of a wake up call that many are in desperate need of/experiencing for the first time; they're coming here confused and possibly otherwise heavily influenced by the propaganda of the left - do we not want these people 'waking up' or 'taking the red pill' in the first place?
We all had to start somewhere, whether coming from leftist shite or wherever our experiences lead us, prior to culminating in coming here to help/learn/contribute (or shill, but, fuck them, they stink from a mile off most of the time)
Some people need further waking up once they get here, their eyes are still blurry, is my point.
~ with respect.
EDIT: From a business perspective too, think about it, the more eyes, the more chances voat might receive donations - especially with the objective of a group like this, surely there's exponential chance of donations for such an altruistic cause?
EDIT 2: Downvoat removed, I wasn't thinking on this from all angles.
Crensch ago
While I understand your point here, allow me to highlight an alternative hypothesis I believe has merit:
Milgram Obedience is often touted as one solid reason good people commit atrocities. Not wanting to rock the boat, and just playing off of feefees instead of cutting through the bullshit is the hallmark of a weak-willed faggot.
We don't need more MO people around - we had them running shit for many decades, and that's why everything is so fucked up. "Oh, let's not rock the boat and say the racist shit that we want to because it's impolite"
I posit that MO faggots are more likely to get in the way than help. "More eyes" doesn't always mean a better outcome, or more efficient - just look at the idea of so-called think-tanks.
As for Voat donations - either Voat makes it, or it doesn't. Changing what Voat is for shekels is a great way to end up with rEddit, and a userbase that is just as useless as rEddit... giving tens of thousands to a fucking bus driver and acting like heroes for it.
Crensch ago
@Vindicator
argosciv ago
In retrospect, you're right, my comment was a bit uh... credulous?
Thank you for providing hindsight.
Crensch ago
I would say simply lacking a step back for perspective at worst.
Cheers to you, fellow niggerfaggot. You've shown yourself to be an extremely reasonable goat thus far; I look forward to our future dialogue in this glorious goat pen.
argosciv ago
Much hate, nigger <3
Crensch ago
Not that a downvoat is really a big problem, but I thought I'd mention it on principle. Do what you will, but I thought it prudent to revisit.
argosciv ago
hah, just removed the one I apparently gave you too - same reasoning I'm guessing, can't remember fully though.
EDIT: Oh wait, I remember, it was literally in response to the following:
Crensch ago
That's hilarious. Happy to keep that dowvoat, truly, but I am curious about your motivation for giving it in the first place. I see the text, and that I responded to someone wanting a "gentleman's agreement" that I consider to be cancerous, but I'm not picking up what you're putting down about why, I think.
argosciv ago
i need to get back to you, big shit going down
argosciv ago
right, yes, removing now.
cantsleepawink ago
Ridiculous that we even need to do this but the behaviour with a few is out of hand..clearly so. And lack of action implies it's condoned.
4_InquiringMinds ago
While I only know minimal about this issue of harassment (as of today) I'm sick and tired of when ppl have a disagreement they use the most degrading terms in replying (ie cunt which I see all too often, faggot etc). I'm puzzled as to why this forum is allowed to operate in this way. Donkey and various aliases is allowed to continue unabated (cking new banned users) / saw one of his flame responses yesterday offering nothing of value just popping in to call someone names. Whether this sub takes the action to require members to treat each other with respect remains to be seen. If the action is not taken then the question arises 'why', what is the true agenda.? Or is it simply that the mods also live in that kind of netherworld of 'loving the trashy mouth life' ?
Even more why do members have to point this out when it would seem that any intelligent group of mods would see and address this issue w/o being reminded that we are here for the children and not to show off our trashy mouths. There is nothing 'cool' or 'hip' about showing off your lack of intelligent exchanges. A lot of us were not raised like this/maybe it is just a very young group and talking trash is the hip thing to do...I really don't know.
To what purpose would it serve to have members constantly trolling and insulting each other?
4 Inquiring Minds...hummmmmmmmmm
Crensch ago
Nobody cares about your feelings.
Because PG is HOSTED by Voat. You would have ZERO places to go had some few, brave goats that you should be thanking stepped in to save your stupid PG from getting destroyed here.
Stop acting like a fucking sissy. Those days are swiftly heading towards being over in a very violent way. SJW tone policing is unacceptable on VOAT. So either deal with it, or fuck off.
It's retards like you that make arguments this stupid that makes me want to call you a fucking Millennial tranny cunt.
I can hurl all the obscenities under the sun at you and still be right, and still have done more for PG than you EVER could, or will. And I have.
It's called tone fallacy. Look it up.
4 empty minds.
4_InquiringMinds ago
Wow, took a lot of brain cells to put that together.
Thank you for your response. Now I'm clear on why this forum functions as it does. Had thought it was maybe an oversight/now I know it's by intention.
We are complete~
Crensch ago
You want to whine about invective here, you get invective. Just because you're a tranny cunt and it doesn't hurt your feelings doesn't mean it wasn't meant as a slur.
Way to miss the fact that it's also how reality works, nigger. I can keep calling you names and still be right about everything.
"we" kek.
4_InquiringMinds ago
Ah, 4 downvotes...musta hit a nerve grin