Why do you feel that posts here must relate strictly to Pizzagate, and not Pedogate at large?
Can you please give some examples of submissions that the moderators have created, some of their own research?
Downvote me if you think mods don't need to be top research contributors.
Upvote me if you think mods need to be top research contributors.
I think that these are healthy questions to be asking.
EDIT:
I don't think that any of us care about reader bias. Research is research. It's pretty objective. Post your own research if you actually do any, other than just ((((((((((((((modding)))))))))))))).
Vindicator and Abortionburger feature their news articles on twitter and 2 former mods have direct ties to Disobedient media...now the creator of r/pizzagate is shilling for them...so wtf?
There are introductions for each of us in v/pizzagatemods, per the mod rules
Not sure why you are making this about mods?
Without mods, you would be drowning in Hentai and off-topic shitposts
Please read this sticky, as well as the definition in the sidebar -- this sub has always been about pizzagate/pedogate
Regarding mods and research: I have personally had no time to do research since I started spending hours every day modding. I do regularly tweet out the great stuff you all contribute, however. If I were to post research, I would do so under an alt, so as to avoid triggering reader bias.
what you guys need to understand (and if you are part of the invetigative community, you will understand this) is that this sub is not entertainment.. the mods should not be "deciding" anything... all the mods here need to do is delete spam, ban the obscene shill that posts that spam here everyday all day... and add links to historical threads when someone posts something that's been touched on previously in the investigation here.. that's it...
we all want mod transparency... this investigation isn't a game and we need purity and trust on some level, and we don't have that here.. especially not after that hoax ex-mod @abortionburger pulled..
"without mods" doing our thinking for us by deleting relevant material... we could use the power of the upvoat and downvoat to curate content, which is the purpose of the voat choice..
there needs to be a serious open-forum discussion about the mod situation here and it should behoove you to initiate it.
we need you here for freedom of speech help... see how the pg mods have nearly succeeded at changing the narrative and culling the userbase of pizzagate main already... we're doing an expose and we're discussing a new voat site..
you were one of the first names i saw when i joined this sub after never lurking and you see what's going on.. sometimes you don't need others but they need you..
There are only 12k people here. You should start looking elsewhere. Talk to people in real life. Show them the ancient history and then tie it to the modern day. You can wake anyone up with that technique. As soon as the matrix starts unraveling for an individual, it goes "poof" all at once. There are things even more serious than Pizzagate.
All of the nuke videos off of youtube got removed, but this should be a good starting place if you haven't already seen it:
i do talk to people in real life, regularly and have a couple websites dealing w/the history, which i've had for 7 years now... i agree anyone can awake, that's possible and the exponential ripple effect is real. pizzagate exposing the big three in this scandal would be the largest redpill mainstream society has ever see, that's why it's relevant now, when there's a real opportunity for once to see justice served and spur a mass awakening.. the mass awakening is going to happen regardless, and pg is the only event i've seen in my time, or read about, which has the potential to do that... we have to fight this war on all fronts, including the net, as it's where the media we know pulls talking points and floats social engineering policy... we need you!
Yeah...looks like another Rothschild operation...with Wikileaks promoting pleadingtheyiff and all of them obsessed with the drama surround Julian Assange.
Wikileaks Is A Rothschild Operation : Rothschilds Use Wikileaks To Wound Rival Bank
links between Wikileaks and the international Rothschild network:
–a sister-in-law and second cousin of the Rothschilds posted bail for Julian Assange (Puppetworld Post exclusive)
–The Economist (a Rothschild magazine) gave Assange its New Media Award in 2008
–Wikileaks used the law firm Fox Rothschild to overturn a judge’s ruling to order a web host to shut down the Wikileaks site
– The Guardian and The New York Times, two of Assange’s media partners, are linked to the Rothschilds (PwP exclusive)
–The owner of the mansion where Assange was eventually put under house arrest has links to Rothschilds
–Assange’s lawyer is also Rothschilds’ lawyer
–US Senator Joe Lieberman who was ultimately responsible for making Assange the largest media personality of the decade, is a member of the Council On Foreign Relations (a Rothschild organization)
[The Rothschilds are an international family of bankers at the centre of a web of wealthy families who control most the countries through a worldwide network of: privately-owned central banks (masquerading as federal banks), major news chains, trusts, councils, etcetera. An unnamed source has put their monetary worth near $100 trillion—dwarfing the net worth of the likes of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, etc.]
This is a perfect example of why mods are trying to keep a legit, structured format... this is just some guy, who knows, talking about his experience, no sources, not even one iota of effort to present powerful information or tie it into pizzagate... I can copy and paste a link on twitter. Voat is a place that challenges not only it's readers/viewers, but it challenges those who want to have a platform to present and protect data to be peer reviewed. Researching is not an easy task, but once you do some, making a legit and correct voat post is a piece of cake.
@helpingabit12, have to delete per rules 1 and 3, sorry (Tangential Pedophile info/stories MUST at least speculate how they might be linked to a network of some kind; LINK posts (VIDEO, IMAGE, ARTICLE, etc.) all need to include an accurate description of the actual content. If you can't provide an accurate summary in the title of a Link post then you must submit it as a Discussion post where you provide the link with a brief description of the content.)"
The repost stayed, of course, as it was much better and more informative.
the real problem is.. a sub like this, to keep it pure and effective, needs to be controlled by the users and for the users..not the mods.
that is a great example.. not really because the post is so spectacular or anything.. but because it's clearly relevant... there are about 10 posts just like that on the front page whenever i check here lately and none of them are explained either... why delete one and not the other? the deleted per rule 1 and 4 doesn't make sense in light of all the other similar posts which don't get deleted.
deleted submissions... one of the best places to get a clear view of what's up... like this.. look at the comment quantity..
sensitive removed 18 hours ago on 4/28/2017 1:31:06 PM
"@allornothing: Rules 2 and 4."
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"PIZZA"GATE is being drowned out by "PEDO"gate posters. If its being done on purpose ? (pizzagate)
submitted 20 hours ago by [deleted] to pizzagate
26 comments
or this.. ... http://archive.is/zaZsr.... 94 upvoats.. 104 comments... shot in the back by deletion
moderators on this sub should not be dictating policy and opinion... they should just be deleting spam and helping folks with links (especially to previous sub posts about a new discussion that comes up - which i have never seen them do).
helping folks with links (especially to previous sub posts about a new discussion that comes up - which i have never seen them do).
Maybe we would have more time to do supportive work, if users would put just a little bit more effort into the creation of their posts, so they don't break the COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED rules anymore and therefore won't have to be deleted by us all the time. Then we also wouldn't have to deal/ spend time with the constant character attacks against us for deleting "muh good post".
In my opinion, the rules that we have here are making perfect sense. Users who post stuff SHOULD explain their post/ how it is relevant, cite sources for their claims and describe the content of posted links.(especially for very long articles or videos) I really don't think this is asked for too much, considering what this sub is about. It's pretty easy to satisfy those rules and it's obviously only for the good of other researchers here.
Just explain how something is relevant, post sources for your claims and deliver a description of what is to be found in the links you provided and other researchers have it a lot easier and mods won't have to delete your post. Win win win.
But no, rather keep posting low quality posts as if you don't even care and then go and divide the community about nonesense.
Not saying, this is what you personally are doing, but it's what a lot of people do here and where most of the anti mod mentality comes from.
Don't you think it's funny, that the users who are against the mods the most are also the ones who put the least effort into their "research" posts?
Most users who actually work out high quality posts don't seem to have as much of a problem with us... Why is this?
There are exceptions of course.. liarohyouliar
That is utter bullshit and you know it. You mods are out of control and many good people have left or given up because of YOU. Who the fuck is disobedient media anyhow? They come in here and take over and suddenly the censoring begins and their reporters are constantly pushed. Nice one, getting several full-time salaries out of pizzagate, good business sense and great social media manipulation but THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR POCKETBOOK.
It's not even worth saying at this point, it's been said 100's of times and you mods blow it off like authoritarian assholes. YOU destroyed the momentum in this sub you fucking liars.
We don't dictate anything. The rules and the current definition of "pizzagate" were developed with the help of the community, as seen here:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED rules
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Don't you think it's funny, that the users who are against the mods the most are also the ones who put the least effort into their "research" posts?
No? Because that's not the case.
This is where I leave v/Pizzagate and start spamming the forum to tell people to move to unmoderated places
You Jews are very crafty. You used @armyseer really well, but to be honest you really didn't even need him to make people accept censorship and voter manipulation.
I'll genuinely get satisfaction when WeiMarica goes Nazi Germany 2.0
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THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Can you please give some examples of submissions that the moderators have created, some of their own research?
Downvote me if you think mods don't need to be top research contributors.
Upvote me if you think mods need to be top research contributors.
I think that these are healthy questions to be asking.
EDIT:
I don't think that any of us care about reader bias. Research is research. It's pretty objective. Post your own research if you actually do any, other than just ((((((((((((((modding)))))))))))))).
redditsuckz ago
It looks like they are all connected to Disobedient Media;
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1826522/8941412
Vindicator and Abortionburger feature their news articles on twitter and 2 former mods have direct ties to Disobedient media...now the creator of r/pizzagate is shilling for them...so wtf?
9217 ago
I love how you make accusations with no evidence. Blatant shilling as usual.
redditsuckz ago
PleadingtheYiff and lets_get_hyyerr
Both mods of Disobedient Media on Reddit;
https://www.reddit.com/r/DisobedientMedia/
PleadingtheYiff and lets_get_hyyerr
Both mods on Reddit pizzagate and Voat Pizzagate;
http://i.imgur.com/nHy8rki.jpg
http://archive.is/WVR9J
PleadingtheYiff also mod and creator of Reddit Pedogate;
http://archive.is/k9alQ
Disobedient Media pwns this sub.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Hmmmmmm. Probably controlled environment.
Vindicator ago
Regarding mods and research: I have personally had no time to do research since I started spending hours every day modding. I do regularly tweet out the great stuff you all contribute, however. If I were to post research, I would do so under an alt, so as to avoid triggering reader bias.
RebelSkum ago
That third bullet point though. Very true story.
sound_of_silence ago
what you guys need to understand (and if you are part of the invetigative community, you will understand this) is that this sub is not entertainment.. the mods should not be "deciding" anything... all the mods here need to do is delete spam, ban the obscene shill that posts that spam here everyday all day... and add links to historical threads when someone posts something that's been touched on previously in the investigation here.. that's it...
we all want mod transparency... this investigation isn't a game and we need purity and trust on some level, and we don't have that here.. especially not after that hoax ex-mod @abortionburger pulled..
"without mods" doing our thinking for us by deleting relevant material... we could use the power of the upvoat and downvoat to curate content, which is the purpose of the voat choice..
there needs to be a serious open-forum discussion about the mod situation here and it should behoove you to initiate it.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
I'm leaving
sound_of_silence ago
where are you going...Stay here and help us fight for what's right, instead?
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
back to the darkweb my friend. back to safety
sound_of_silence ago
v/SGIS
we need you here for freedom of speech help... see how the pg mods have nearly succeeded at changing the narrative and culling the userbase of pizzagate main already... we're doing an expose and we're discussing a new voat site..
you were one of the first names i saw when i joined this sub after never lurking and you see what's going on.. sometimes you don't need others but they need you..
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
There are only 12k people here. You should start looking elsewhere. Talk to people in real life. Show them the ancient history and then tie it to the modern day. You can wake anyone up with that technique. As soon as the matrix starts unraveling for an individual, it goes "poof" all at once. There are things even more serious than Pizzagate.
All of the nuke videos off of youtube got removed, but this should be a good starting place if you haven't already seen it:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256
sound_of_silence ago
i do talk to people in real life, regularly and have a couple websites dealing w/the history, which i've had for 7 years now... i agree anyone can awake, that's possible and the exponential ripple effect is real. pizzagate exposing the big three in this scandal would be the largest redpill mainstream society has ever see, that's why it's relevant now, when there's a real opportunity for once to see justice served and spur a mass awakening.. the mass awakening is going to happen regardless, and pg is the only event i've seen in my time, or read about, which has the potential to do that... we have to fight this war on all fronts, including the net, as it's where the media we know pulls talking points and floats social engineering policy... we need you!
sound_of_silence ago
'member mod transparency... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5er7nt/message_from_the_creator_of_rpizzagate_me_to_uspez/... ?
redditsuckz ago
Well that proves that pizzathrowaway777 was workwork243832148327 and workwork was a jew...ergo pizzathrowaway777 was a jew...they then added and "AssuredlyAThrowAway" with full permissions on r/pizzagate and AssuradlyAThrowAway is an admitted Jew.
pizzathrowaway777 said he created r/pizzagate...well so does work work;
http://i.imgur.com/QZAvTTF.jpg
https://archive.fo/4ortW#selection-8015.0-8015.20
http://archive.is/XTchw
And pizzatthrowaway777 was caught upvoting himself 32 times;
http://i.imgur.com/pFRftx9.png
http://i.imgur.com/mA4Iqs1.png
pizzathrowaway looks like he has access to a bot farm...
This user doesnt exist...;
https://www.reddit.com/user/redditlurker4lyfe - possibly shawdowbanned by reddit for spamming
http://i.imgur.com/O2HMldg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5KTzTPX.jpg
http://archive.is/QGukF
yet pizzathrowaway777 was the one spamming in the thread;
http://i.imgur.com/VxGHlPI.jpg
http://archive.is/aJnEP
pizzathrowaway77 pizzathrowaway777777 would be more of his accounts and 2 of his accounts were possibly shadowbanned by Reddit for spamming.
Edit;...well this is odd another alt of pizzathrowaway777 is willIreddittomorrow
http://i.imgur.com/bRUJT5T.jpg
http://archive.fo/eGgQE
and here he is shilling for Disobedient Media...
http://archive.is/Kmolq
which is ran by pleadingtheyiff who worked for the US government and was promoted by wikileaks
So all the jew mods all came from Disobedient Media?
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
THERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
All Jews.
9217 ago
Fucking who cares about some random being Jewish. Also: you spelled Economist wrong. Rofl.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
You responded to the wrong comment...
redditsuckz ago
Yeah...looks like another Rothschild operation...with Wikileaks promoting pleadingtheyiff and all of them obsessed with the drama surround Julian Assange.
Wikileaks Is A Rothschild Operation : Rothschilds Use Wikileaks To Wound Rival Bank
http://www.nwo-news.com/2016/06/02/wikileaks-is-a-rothschild-operation/
Exposed: Wikileaks Is A Zionist Cover-Up Operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASpiOZ4b7y0
links between Wikileaks and the international Rothschild network:
–a sister-in-law and second cousin of the Rothschilds posted bail for Julian Assange (Puppetworld Post exclusive)
–The Economist (a Rothschild magazine) gave Assange its New Media Award in 2008
–Wikileaks used the law firm Fox Rothschild to overturn a judge’s ruling to order a web host to shut down the Wikileaks site
– The Guardian and The New York Times, two of Assange’s media partners, are linked to the Rothschilds (PwP exclusive)
–The owner of the mansion where Assange was eventually put under house arrest has links to Rothschilds
–Assange’s lawyer is also Rothschilds’ lawyer
–US Senator Joe Lieberman who was ultimately responsible for making Assange the largest media personality of the decade, is a member of the Council On Foreign Relations (a Rothschild organization)
[The Rothschilds are an international family of bankers at the centre of a web of wealthy families who control most the countries through a worldwide network of: privately-owned central banks (masquerading as federal banks), major news chains, trusts, councils, etcetera. An unnamed source has put their monetary worth near $100 trillion—dwarfing the net worth of the likes of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, etc.]
The Econimist(Rothschild Magazine)
http://i.imgur.com/5uy38Ve.jpg
https://wisethedome.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/wikileaks-is-a-rothschild-operation/
http://archive.is/2RryW
The owner of Disobediant Media also might be getting funding from Zerohedge and owner rumored to be a Bulgarian Jew.
Edit;
And former second mod added of r/pizzagate "WhiteHatRasta" is apart of some digital currency op Dogecoin;
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/
Hence why he is apart of some subs with "Doge" in the name.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
That subreddit had more people than are in this subvoat.
sound_of_silence ago
ironically, that sub had a closer knit structure.... could mod transparency have been one of the main factors in that?
sound_of_silence ago
we need full mod transparency.. this is an investigative sub.. not saturday morning cartoons.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/submission
This is a great example of a deleted post:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1824532
Honeybee_ ago
This is a perfect example of why mods are trying to keep a legit, structured format... this is just some guy, who knows, talking about his experience, no sources, not even one iota of effort to present powerful information or tie it into pizzagate... I can copy and paste a link on twitter. Voat is a place that challenges not only it's readers/viewers, but it challenges those who want to have a platform to present and protect data to be peer reviewed. Researching is not an easy task, but once you do some, making a legit and correct voat post is a piece of cake.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
No. That's why we have a downvote button, not mods.
sensitive ago
I deleted it and explained my deletion:
The repost stayed, of course, as it was much better and more informative.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Link me to the repost?
sensitive ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1824719
A discuss post often makes all the difference :-)
sound_of_silence ago
the real problem is.. a sub like this, to keep it pure and effective, needs to be controlled by the users and for the users..not the mods.
that is a great example.. not really because the post is so spectacular or anything.. but because it's clearly relevant... there are about 10 posts just like that on the front page whenever i check here lately and none of them are explained either... why delete one and not the other? the deleted per rule 1 and 4 doesn't make sense in light of all the other similar posts which don't get deleted.
deleted submissions... one of the best places to get a clear view of what's up... like this.. look at the comment quantity..
or this.. ... http://archive.is/zaZsr.... 94 upvoats.. 104 comments... shot in the back by deletion
moderators on this sub should not be dictating policy and opinion... they should just be deleting spam and helping folks with links (especially to previous sub posts about a new discussion that comes up - which i have never seen them do).
nnfx ago
Which is exactly the reason for this change of rules and this Sticky. So, you should welcome it, no?
We don't dictate anything. The rules and the current definition of "pizzagate" were developed with the help of the community, as seen here:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1506633
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1514345
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1517862
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1527246
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1528884
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1533894
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1630221
Maybe we would have more time to do supportive work, if users would put just a little bit more effort into the creation of their posts, so they don't break the COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED rules anymore and therefore won't have to be deleted by us all the time. Then we also wouldn't have to deal/ spend time with the constant character attacks against us for deleting "muh good post".
In my opinion, the rules that we have here are making perfect sense. Users who post stuff SHOULD explain their post/ how it is relevant, cite sources for their claims and describe the content of posted links.(especially for very long articles or videos) I really don't think this is asked for too much, considering what this sub is about. It's pretty easy to satisfy those rules and it's obviously only for the good of other researchers here.
Just explain how something is relevant, post sources for your claims and deliver a description of what is to be found in the links you provided and other researchers have it a lot easier and mods won't have to delete your post. Win win win. But no, rather keep posting low quality posts as if you don't even care and then go and divide the community about nonesense.
Not saying, this is what you personally are doing, but it's what a lot of people do here and where most of the anti mod mentality comes from.
Don't you think it's funny, that the users who are against the mods the most are also the ones who put the least effort into their "research" posts? Most users who actually work out high quality posts don't seem to have as much of a problem with us... Why is this? There are exceptions of course.. liarohyouliar
Yates ago
That is utter bullshit and you know it. You mods are out of control and many good people have left or given up because of YOU. Who the fuck is disobedient media anyhow? They come in here and take over and suddenly the censoring begins and their reporters are constantly pushed. Nice one, getting several full-time salaries out of pizzagate, good business sense and great social media manipulation but THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR POCKETBOOK.
It's not even worth saying at this point, it's been said 100's of times and you mods blow it off like authoritarian assholes. YOU destroyed the momentum in this sub you fucking liars.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmm
No? Because that's not the case.
This is where I leave v/Pizzagate and start spamming the forum to tell people to move to unmoderated places
You Jews are very crafty. You used @armyseer really well, but to be honest you really didn't even need him to make people accept censorship and voter manipulation.
I'll genuinely get satisfaction when WeiMarica goes Nazi Germany 2.0
It's only a matter of time.