I disagree completely. He's was obviously out-of-line. It doesn't take any intelligence to see that.
You passed on it.
Why?
Because he claims he didn't know the rules or was not reading them right?
You're deceiving and likely gas-lighting me.
"I'm just following the rules.." That is the biggest red flag line there is. Funny how they got people over here to use it. And then got the sheeples to swallow it..
I think the rule 1 deletion is so heavy handed and in a lot of cases unnecessary. Sure, it's good to point out a vid content, but I did and it was still deleted. There's no way I can connect the dots any better than I already did. Everybody seemed to understand the relevant PG connection of a fema camp as a child trafficking holding area near military bases, except the mod who deleted it.
Most of the time I notice that the content connection is linked in the title, if you read it.
I think the heavy mod deletion treats readers like they don't have basic 3rd grade level comprehension skills. Most readers don't need someone to connect the dots for them, they can actually connect the dots for themselves, but if they need help to figure it out that's what the reply boxes are used for -- to communicate.
By deleting many articles that actually expand community discussion and awareness of pizzagate in a web of ways, you're going to kill this pizzagate forum from heavy deleting.
This ends up in anal micromanaging to the extreme.
People are going to get fed up, give up and leave.
Is that really the direction you want to take pizzagate education, discussion and investigation?
Thanks for doing this. I wish I had noticed earlier. From a sheerly taxonomical standpoint, this needed to be done to separate some of the chatter. Glad I read it.
Posted on Brock suing William Grey and the post was removed, also explained the connection to Alefantis in the post. Also there were two other articles on William Grey. I maintain that moderators are covering things up. We don't know which pieces of information are important for sure until things are solved. How will they get solved when moderators are removing new findings? Believe there has been a lot of great information here, but is there also another forum out there where information considered not wanted here that we may think is relevant can be shared? Tired of having findings that are new and could be significant to the interrelation of things removed. At this point would like to read stuff here but post any findings elsewhere. Understand the moderators have probably done a great job getting the information that is there there in the present form. Believe it would be naive though to expect no coverup attempts, when everyone including moderators are anonymous. Don't wish to change the anonymity, understand the purpose there. So really just want to see if there is a forum in addition to this one where maybe the posting rules would be more flexible to analyzing the overall relationships between the people involved in various aspects of all the scandals combined, with each other. There are so many different scandals that link together at times in different ways. So someone can say one strand of the web doesn't connect to Pizzagate, but it may be a different strand of the web that touches it in some places. The massive corruption has created a very large web. So is there a forum where a larger web can be looked at, and people aren't deleting information saying it doesn't relate to Pizzagate when it concerns Alefantis and/ or the people he has been involved with?
What is wrong here. I posted in Pizzagate two because I didn't want to bother getting deleted. And my post disappeared. It shows up as a "submission" to Pizzagat2. But no post.. What's going on/ - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate2/1538452 -
Again, anyone can read your post history. I came here after Reddit shut r/pizzagate with the exact same username. SO again, anyone seeing your posts and the absolute RABID DV on any post that dare question you....dude, we're not stupid.
As I KNOW I'm only using this name, and I KNOW what I'm researching/posting, seeing a "mod" accusing me of being on the wrong team lets me know who IS on the wrong team, and who wants to shut us down. ALL you do is complain about mods. How strange you're modding in a forum dedicated to exposing pedos.
You're onto it. And yes, they are killing this sub. Between the racist shitposting and the mods...which one can assume...is the plan. And if you complain you may find your name on the v/pizzagateshills list. The moderators participate in that as well. In particular the OP here. I am not sure about the other mods, but Kevdude is absofuckinglutely a problem...pretending not to be a problem.
Just take a gander at how these preciously sensitive mods can't take an inkling of criticism on a FREE SPEECH FORUM. Probably some fucking jewish lawyer hypocrites.
You probably deleted it yourself. How strange you can flip between accusing people of having 100+ usernames and pretending to be a responsible moderator. I don't know how you got on the mod team here, but you need to go.
Based on a perusal of YOUR post history, it's more than clear where YOU stand. @ARMYSEER. Go back to motorhead. You're useless here...or, maybe not considering what you've been up to. Which is largely complaining about moderators on Voat. Anyone can click your username and see that is true.
Talk about multiple usernames...what did you forget to sign out and come back as @ARMYSEER to whom this post was addressed? Idiot. Stupid people are always giving themselves away.
My ONE submission and my post history via my ONE username stand for itself.
YO! For the last time, you self-righteous v/pizzagate mod's need to stop circle-jerking each-other and fighting over rules like lord of the fly's instead of what the sub should be about. Shut Up. You sound like a bunch of weak tit pussies, no one reads this shit. Thats why you can onlyget 40 voats in a day and a half.
Why is @armyseer still permitted in this forum? This idiot has created v/pizzagateshills and listed most of our posters here as shills, including @pleadtheyiff, a founder of PG investigation. I'm now on the list...I am going to report every single post this asswipe makes here as spam as in nearly every post it is accusing someone new of being a shill. There are absolutely forces attempting to stop this investigation, most of us are clever enough to posit that out when reading, however I'm starting to get spidey sense tingles due to the seeming cooperation of mods here with this "person" who has begun an entirely new voat to attack us.
I was censored for not providing a source, even though my entire post was based on a Twitter hashtag #IceCreamGate and how there was an obvious media attempt to co-opt the hashtag using some fake controversy about ice cream being gay???? and turn the issue from pedophilia into homosexuality. The source was the hashtag, but apparently someone didn't want me drawing attention to it and allowing other people to see the blatant (and failed) attempt to co-opt this investigation.
When I replied in protest to the censorship, I was ignored.
This does nothing for giving this site legitimacy.
The mod that made this OP is part of the problem. Check his post history. I have zero idea who picked this idiot to mod here, but outing pedos does not seem to be on this mod's agenda. He's spent more time complaining about moderation, accusing others, including myself of being shills and using multiple usernames, and flooding the forum with spam that IT has doing any actual "work"..this OP is a weak attempt at normalization. I'm not buying it.
Go check out v/pizzagateshills because if you've submitted anything good here, your name is probably on the list.
We have to assume that anything popular is controlled opposition. 2 out of 3 of any group is FBI. These evil fuckers will do anything in their power to live another year.
Why must you hold yourselves to any degree of rigor? Full blow congressional investigations have been launched with less. People have been handed life sentences on flimsier chains of circumstantial evidence than what we have here. WHy demand a strict metric of proof for an online discussion forum?
I downvoat any and all beggers. Sorry if you're not a shill. But, I fucking hate that shit.
Edit: I should also be downvoated here, because there's the opposite effect. Where shill posts will tell beggers off and then get upvoated. Either downvoat me or fuck off (I must be in a bad mood today, I've cussed like repeatedly, not classy.)
Because that shit has been getting spammed like a mother fucker. I usually hover over new, and that bullshit is getting old. There is ZERO proof that they are the same person, just accusations. If there's proof every one of those posts would cover it and then those of us that hover would have caught on and gotten pissed. Nope. Just pissing me off with the fucking spam.
I've learned not to trust anyone, so forgive me for being skeptical with the Russian narrative. Anyhoot, have a good time doing what you do. Certainly don't want to get you "pulled into something", I just want to know where the invite link is so next time it changes there's an option if it's a critical moment. It really shouldn't be this difficult.
A few suggestions - instead of a mod commenting, when a post is deleted, that it would fit in one of the new subverses. How about the mod simply bump'ing it directly to the new subverse - such that the other mods know it was bumped there by a mod. That way the posts stay viewable, rather than the poster needing to recheck their inbox and re-submit - resulting in downtime for the post. If the poster disagrees they can still take it up with the mods in v/pizzagatemods.
Also if posts are going to be deleted, I recommend a new subverse v/pizzagatedeleted.
You could have just said that in the first place. You are a mod, people are going to ask you about shit. Ignoring questions makes it seem like you're being shady, especially when it comes to something like that.
How so? We're just getting a lot of submissions lately that violate our submission-quality rules. The sub is still relatively new, so there are a lot of users who are submitting posts without reading the rules carefully. Also, we're getting attacked by shills (such as with the porn flood attack yesterday) who spam irrelevant stuff.
Honestly, the submission-quality rules are too strict. Things like "titles have to clearly indicate connection to pizzagate" are just onerous. The result is a lot of reasonable stuff is getting deleted for technicalities like that.
The user can always repost with a better title, and can you give an example of a good post that was removed? If you find an example of such, please us know. We don't want good leads or evidence to slip through the cracks anymore than you do. I really don't think that's happening, though. Some users just need time to adjust to the rules. It's really not that hard to make a post that follows the rules:
Establish that there's a good possibility it's directly relevant to pizzagate investigation (avoid cheerleading and unsourced meta discussion), source any factual claims (if it's genuinely a fact, you can find a source, otherwise just acknowledge it's an opinion/claim), and make a title that demonstrates relevance and accurately describes the content of the post (and post as a discussion post to explain relevance if necessary). That's basically it.
t. Things like "titles have to clearly indicate connection to pizzagate" are just onerous.
Really? Making sure each post explains its connection is too much? Sounds like whining to me.
The result is a lot of reasonable stuff is getting deleted for technicalities like that.
"Technicalities" like "Connect the dots in your mind for us, and don't just push shit out there so hundreds of others can waste time trying to figure out your intent"?
Awful, awful argument.
The rules are there to make the parsing of useful vs. non-useful easier. It's there to help those that are just picking up the baton for that particular branch of investigation to be able to make the connections, instead of just random shit being posted with no explanation.
and what the hell is with this '10 upvotes per 24 hours'?
Why all the rules? Is this a 'libertarian' group? (LOL - okay, that's a joke.)
And this reply may be one too many too, so --- I'll see you tomorrow.
V.S.
Define good reputation mathematically, inside of a month you'll have bots that built up good rep to a couple of dummy accounts and the noise will continue. That's basically what they tried doing with the downvoat system and it failed spectacularly. The ultimate issue with any anon board will always be noise.
Good rep...why doesn't anyone go have a look at Kevdude's post history which is 99% complaining about moderation? and accusing others of being shills. After some odd interaction with said submitter I'm less comfortable with it being a mod here than I was before. I'm on some shill list and being accused of having 100+ other accounts. This is not the behavior of any responsible mod.
Probably because Kevdude and kevdude are not the same account. (Edit: or whatever. I just read through his submissions, stop being a little bitch and get on with your life.)
Hopefully they cleaned house a bit. It was apparent to me reading on my cell yesterday? that Alefantis has been posting on here...fuck knowing this place he's modding too.
Peer review? Check out v/pizzagateshills by @armyseer. WTF is this shit? I'm on the list, hell most of the users are on the list. Peer review is as reliable as the peers reviewing.
Yeah....they're fucking nuts. Reminds you that the wild-eyed guy at the grocery is probably posting shit on the Internetz about how his neighbor has inserted a hidden jewish camera into his sock drawer. They're unwell.
Beyond the scope of this platform. The best you could do is create your own subverse, (don't know if this one is a feature here, haven't messed with the mod tools) lock everybody out of posting, then pull in articles from other places. As you see the quality of the posters and patterns of who does well you invite them to post on your thread, or hover over their accounts pulling in new submissions. This all requires a ton of work because the platform is a discussion forum, not designed in the least for peer review (other than upvoats, and downvoats)
So much deletion. Why delete new relevant posts because they arent in the dead section of pizzagate. Silly division and killing of leads. The sub is very slow and boring now because of all the deleted leads
It's very shady. As anyone might imagine from the subject matter that people are trying to disclose. Exactly why they are the wolves and we are the sheep.
I nearly replied above to @investigate1999's remark that people should only be able to post with a 'good reputation', so it is in this context I reply. (I would have made two responses, but the posting of even comments is so restrictive I fear I may use up my allowance.)
Well, how does this kind of idea work? One has to build a reputation. How do you suggest they do that if someone can't contribute?
I'm new to VOAT, but have been investigating in the area and have some background in strategic thinking and setting up 'random groups of bloggers' into something like an effective organization (within months), so - what are the hoops that one must jump through to attain a 'good reputation'?
I didn't see Rule 4 previously to getting 3 posts banned, and then I ran into issues with being unable to post 'too many' per day? Can't send a message, can't post, can't upvote. It's constraining.
My goal is to focus on group goals and a vision and for targeted effectiveness. I'm still trying to find a way in as none of my posts could be shared due to my ... not being senior enough in some way. So, it's amazing I'm still here -- I am working some other groups, because this effort at prosecuting the guilty (or simply 'getting the word out', which I think is highly over-rated as a priority), is unorganized. Of course it is, it is new and there is enthusiasm. To not lose the momentum, we need a nucleus of Actors, with specifics that the bulk of people can provide their good services to in targeted ways.
I need lawyers - legal minds - who can pro bono their way up to a discussion of what is prosecutable here, and the community needs to decide their vision -- is the goal to get 'everyone', or 'a few kingpens', or run of the mill pimps, etc.?
I hear you. It is very frustrating for me, too, as a user and a mod.
To be honest, I did just you did, where I posted asking for up votes, but that wasn't the right thing to do. Most of my points came from just responding to discussions.
Instead of asking for help to post research, just go through the posts, and ask valid questions. This will help moderators, too. I want to delete a lot of junk out there, but I can't figure out if it is legitimate, or if I missed something, or what. Your questions will help to support our decisions.
Even a simple comment like, "I read through all of this, and I can't find the relevance of it to Pizzagate.", would be a little helpful to me. I can't speak on behalf of all the mods, though.
Just try to find something to say to people.
[edit: I'll up vote your comment, because it is a very good question]
Here's my upvoat to help. Sorry about your frustration. I think most of it stems from Voat bandwidth limitations. It gets better quickly as you accumulate points.
Do post your organizational thoughts in v/askpizzagate. Then 'advertise' with a link and comment in a hot thread in v/pizzagate to get eyeballs.
Last time i checked there was 6 users in v/askpizzagate. You might as well stand outside and yell your post. You are going to have a hotlink post in v/pizzagate? Doesnt that defeat the purpose of 'not posting there'?
Breaking the pizzagate subverse into 5 seperate subverses is not a good idea. You barely have enough people for one. Askpizzagate has under 100 subscribers. This makes no sense. Deleting posts because they are in the wrong area. Its not going to work. Its too small to be broken down into pieces. Not good
It's now got over 160 subscribers, in the 15 minutes from your post.
Just remind noob commenters there are other PG subverses, links are to the right, mobile users tap "hamburger" (3 lines at the top left of the sub and most pages) in order to view the sidebar.
In fact, the lack of ability to easily see the sidebar for mobile users is the only stumbling block I see here. So until that gets fixed, just remind them.
Going to sub to the other verses now. Good hunting in 2017!
Ive been deleted three time for posting an instagram where the talk about a murder. Been told to to go to ask pizzagate where there is 90 subscribers. Ya thats really gunna help. The puzzagate investigation on voat is officially dead. New leads will not be seen here. Kevdude doesnt even know who jabbaroos is. :-S. bye good luck here but honestly u got no chance
Basically we require that everyone explain the how your post is related to pizzagate. Not everyone here is infinitely familiar with all topics related so the more complete the information is the easier for it is for this investigation to go forward. If everyone has to spend 2 hours trying to figure out how the muderer/murder is related then it's a waste of everyones time. If you put a little blerb like pizzagate informant dead an hour before testifying then it becomes relevant. This is why we have the rules we have. And yes the alternate subverses are a bit dead but that will change as we go forward as it stands they are only 1 weekish old. People will get used to how things are arranged here and the few who actually want to answer newbie questions will go over to /v/askpizzagate and the people who want to have active discourse on the rules/moderation will go to /v/pizzagatemods everyone who wants to shitpost or talk about not necessarily related shit will go to /v/pizzagatewhatever and meme crap in the meme place.
" the choo choo train to indictmentville" isn't happening you fucking moron. The Justice System is corrupt.. The only to get these people is to get the word out ...massively. . You don't get it out there by deleting what you happen to think is irrelevant because you happen to have your assumptions wrong and your goals ass - backwards.
then what do you want out of this investigation? Do you want war? is that what you want. civil war? blow me
edit: if we don't go through the current official channels then that is what you'e advocating for.
I understand. A man wants to do something to protect.. And that is good. But there is no "justice system" apart from these perps. It's just the way it is. You have to work with what you've got. Deleting material , because it's not up to court room standards? will not spread the word.
Also they would not allow any of the esoteric occult info on the perps to come out at the Nuremberg trial.. That's is what they are covering as well! So all that symbolize and discussion should be on the table.
While I agree that it is important to know about the occultic stuff. Occult in itself isn't illegal. If you can tie the occult into the investigation then by all means do so. But don't just make a post solely about occult otherwise this is /v/occultshit and not /v/pizzagate
I only took moderation effort against posts that violated the sidebar rules. And yes I agree public sentiment is very important going forward on all of this. There will most likely not be any action on this without support from the people.
I suggest getting the meme side of this ramped up if you really want to do this. Something that will project why you should take pizzagate seriously in as few words as possible. Right now most people dismiss it as some crazy shit based on a few emails. Which is the start of it but pizzagate is so much more than that now.
I saw you "delete" something without giving notice of why . Also, I saw you agree when you were called out as not in good faith.
Sometimes I can't be understood by others easily, but that is a red flag. I hope my standards are not too rarefied.
I feel better now that I see all the subverses. I still think the removal of inappropriate posts should not be called " deletion"
Deletion is much different than throwing it to another area where it can be viewed.
It's not going to happen. The Justice System is totally fake. Sorry if you don't know that. As far as claiming it will all lead to Civil War ? That is a ridiculous threat.. "Do it my way, or be sorry."
There is no need for war.. People just have to gradually become aware of their surroundings and get out of their trance state [Wake Up] induced deliberately by these psychos.
If you are a real man, you should protect people not threaten War.
Oh yeah, like WACO go in their to "save the children" and burn down the house? That's why you've been programmed, so you can't think of anything better.
No WACO - Wake - up!
A simple read and glance at the posts on this thread daring to question makes it more than clear what is happening here despite your "explanation". It's also clear who the problem mods are. The mass DV of anyone daring to ask questions or doubt the sincerity of the OP (which after interacting with that asshole I strongly question) are being DV en masse. It's clear this forum is scheduled for death. Thanks. The pedo forums thank you.
I'm really glad that voat has gone full gay, too many straight guys were running voat for too long, now that team reddit is running voat, I'm sure that things will flow like peanut butter,
Trump made it cool to be gay again, and that's all that matters, pizzagate made it cool to be a pedophile, heaven on earth in our own lifetimes.
I was getting a lot of questions from mobile users about where the rules were. I'm not a mobile user myself but it may be something to look in from a design side of things /u/heygeorge not really sure what you could do about this but there it is.
I had the same problem, on mobile you can only see the main centre, you can't see any of the sides. I had to go onto tablet in the end and turn it landscape just to see.
I'll do my best not to be I just need to limit my time moderating this place if and when I ever get offered a moderator position back. It's really easy to get frustrated with the sheer volume of posts here while trying to enforce the rules.
@l4l1lul3l0 I can confirm that this guy was excellent at calling out rulebreaking posts for us mods before he became one. I can also confirm that battle fatigue can and will happen when your name is on the modlist and you've got nearly everyone not involved in PG hating your guts and trying to undermine what you're doing.
He may indeed wind up a deep-cover shill, but I'm still of the mind that he deserves another shot at modding when he's ready. I will, of course, defer to the more active mods for the final decision there, though.
Maybe we also need a subverse for general news. That link about David Seaman seems important, but it doesn't help us with our investigation, and nor does it fit in brainstorming.
Who gets to decided what helps with the investigation. Personally I think the rules suck. And do not trust this place. I think Reddit seems better at this point.
Also this the frikkin guy admits he;s a shill.. "probably"
"I am the creator of the bot you fucking idiot. I am trying to warn the community we don't have a valid backup source now of external links and you just censored the post! Are you a shill or an idiot?
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[–] gopluckyourself 0 points (+0|-0) 1.6 days ago (edited 1.6 days ago)
Probly both no reason to be hostile. Also I'm no longer a mod so you don't have to worry about that anymore. However I stand by my deletion of this post and encourage you to repost it as a discussion into the appropriate subverses. Cheers."
Call like this : THEY WILL PSY - OP YOU TO DEATH.. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
p.s There was no reason placed on the post for the deletion.
Yet Kevdude says the guy resigned and was not booted.
What does that say about Kevdude.. Am I supposed to waste my time around here?
Just to get "deleted"
They can't even get their grammar / vocabulary straight.
Primus_Pilus ago
For what?
samhara ago
I disagree completely. He's was obviously out-of-line. It doesn't take any intelligence to see that. You passed on it.
Why?
Because he claims he didn't know the rules or was not reading them right?
You're deceiving and likely gas-lighting me.
"I'm just following the rules.." That is the biggest red flag line there is. Funny how they got people over here to use it. And then got the sheeples to swallow it..
Solver2 ago
Thanks for your attention to this.
Solver2 ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1538393
Solver2 ago
Yes, every claim was sourced.
yousef1971 ago
stinking crap
Hermesthriceborn ago
You smug fucker we see you.
cosmicmind ago
I think the rule 1 deletion is so heavy handed and in a lot of cases unnecessary. Sure, it's good to point out a vid content, but I did and it was still deleted. There's no way I can connect the dots any better than I already did. Everybody seemed to understand the relevant PG connection of a fema camp as a child trafficking holding area near military bases, except the mod who deleted it. Most of the time I notice that the content connection is linked in the title, if you read it.
I think the heavy mod deletion treats readers like they don't have basic 3rd grade level comprehension skills. Most readers don't need someone to connect the dots for them, they can actually connect the dots for themselves, but if they need help to figure it out that's what the reply boxes are used for -- to communicate.
By deleting many articles that actually expand community discussion and awareness of pizzagate in a web of ways, you're going to kill this pizzagate forum from heavy deleting.
This ends up in anal micromanaging to the extreme.
People are going to get fed up, give up and leave.
Is that really the direction you want to take pizzagate education, discussion and investigation?
Blacksmith21 ago
Thanks for doing this. I wish I had noticed earlier. From a sheerly taxonomical standpoint, this needed to be done to separate some of the chatter. Glad I read it.
Primus_Pilus ago
I'm new to posting but have been reading. Excellent organization and classification of the data so far.
lilbuddyy ago
This is amazing. You kept the integrity of this sub while also having a place for memes and open thought discussion. Words cannot thank you enough.
Crensch ago
You didn't. Nothing there suggests that something was deleted before the mod could even read the submission.
Asserting that you did doesn't make it true.
Solver2 ago
Posted on Brock suing William Grey and the post was removed, also explained the connection to Alefantis in the post. Also there were two other articles on William Grey. I maintain that moderators are covering things up. We don't know which pieces of information are important for sure until things are solved. How will they get solved when moderators are removing new findings? Believe there has been a lot of great information here, but is there also another forum out there where information considered not wanted here that we may think is relevant can be shared? Tired of having findings that are new and could be significant to the interrelation of things removed. At this point would like to read stuff here but post any findings elsewhere. Understand the moderators have probably done a great job getting the information that is there there in the present form. Believe it would be naive though to expect no coverup attempts, when everyone including moderators are anonymous. Don't wish to change the anonymity, understand the purpose there. So really just want to see if there is a forum in addition to this one where maybe the posting rules would be more flexible to analyzing the overall relationships between the people involved in various aspects of all the scandals combined, with each other. There are so many different scandals that link together at times in different ways. So someone can say one strand of the web doesn't connect to Pizzagate, but it may be a different strand of the web that touches it in some places. The massive corruption has created a very large web. So is there a forum where a larger web can be looked at, and people aren't deleting information saying it doesn't relate to Pizzagate when it concerns Alefantis and/ or the people he has been involved with?
Crensch ago
Yeah, first off, not much of what you're saying makes any sense. Second, you didn't at all source your claim that:
Do this, or piss off.
samhara ago
What is wrong here. I posted in Pizzagate two because I didn't want to bother getting deleted. And my post disappeared. It shows up as a "submission" to Pizzagat2. But no post.. What's going on/ - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate2/1538452 -
SmilingWide ago
You can't censor and categorize the Truth. You're all shills trying CONTROL #PizzaGate
SmilingWide ago
Your submission /v/pizzagate/1538157 has been deleted by: @Millennial_Falcon on 1/5/2017 12:08:36 AM
Reason given: rule 4
Crensch ago
Source this, or piss off.
samhara ago
"St Louis" whatever that is. Can a city think? No. is wrong.
SmilingWide ago
The Mod was MilleniumFalcon, apparently he's shilling for the Empire
SmilingWide ago
The mod was MilleniumFalcon
SmilingWide ago
It was MilleniumFalcon
samhara ago
Well then "who?" Is Shell a false - flagger, self - deleter?
SmilingWide ago
If you are not a Nazi thought police, take it up with someone who doesn't suck you d1ck
SmilingWide ago
SHILL
SmilingWide ago
Someone should always be attacking the systemic structure of fraud!
samhara ago
Are you still using the word "delete?" Why don't you just tell people where the mods fling the ones deemed unfit?
SmilingWide ago
SmilingWide > v/pizzagate | Sent: 7 days ago on 12/28/2016 6:09:15 PM Submission /v/pizzagate/1519930 deleted
SmilingWide ago
Are you calling a Twitter hashtag that is developing in realtime an unsourced shitpost?
SmilingWide ago
"This box is empty. I may be just a server with limited intelligence, but I am not quite sure how to feel about this."
MAGABoomer ago
Again, anyone can read your post history. I came here after Reddit shut r/pizzagate with the exact same username. SO again, anyone seeing your posts and the absolute RABID DV on any post that dare question you....dude, we're not stupid.
SmilingWide ago
I'm on Reddit with the same username as well. I join JUST before they banned r/pizzagate. In before these psyop wannabes.
MAGABoomer ago
As I KNOW I'm only using this name, and I KNOW what I'm researching/posting, seeing a "mod" accusing me of being on the wrong team lets me know who IS on the wrong team, and who wants to shut us down. ALL you do is complain about mods. How strange you're modding in a forum dedicated to exposing pedos.
MAGABoomer ago
Yes yes and yes.
MAGABoomer ago
You're onto it. And yes, they are killing this sub. Between the racist shitposting and the mods...which one can assume...is the plan. And if you complain you may find your name on the v/pizzagateshills list. The moderators participate in that as well. In particular the OP here. I am not sure about the other mods, but Kevdude is absofuckinglutely a problem...pretending not to be a problem.
Hermesthriceborn ago
Just take a gander at how these preciously sensitive mods can't take an inkling of criticism on a FREE SPEECH FORUM. Probably some fucking jewish lawyer hypocrites.
MAGABoomer ago
You probably deleted it yourself. How strange you can flip between accusing people of having 100+ usernames and pretending to be a responsible moderator. I don't know how you got on the mod team here, but you need to go.
MAGABoomer ago
Again, your post history speaks for itself. 99% of them are bitching and moaning about moderators.
MAGABoomer ago
Based on a perusal of YOUR post history, it's more than clear where YOU stand. @ARMYSEER. Go back to motorhead. You're useless here...or, maybe not considering what you've been up to. Which is largely complaining about moderators on Voat. Anyone can click your username and see that is true.
Talk about multiple usernames...what did you forget to sign out and come back as @ARMYSEER to whom this post was addressed? Idiot. Stupid people are always giving themselves away.
My ONE submission and my post history via my ONE username stand for itself.
Htaed ago
When are you guys going to get rid of that shill mod phobosmothership or something like that. You can at least monitor his/her activity.
Hermesthriceborn ago
they are
Hermesthriceborn ago
YO! For the last time, you self-righteous v/pizzagate mod's need to stop circle-jerking each-other and fighting over rules like lord of the fly's instead of what the sub should be about. Shut Up. You sound like a bunch of weak tit pussies, no one reads this shit. Thats why you can onlyget 40 voats in a day and a half.
UglyTruth ago
Fuck off, leech.
Hermesthriceborn ago
Piss off ya dirty scoundrel, tis of no concern to you, thou which are butthurt must knoweth thine shortcomings.
UglyTruth ago
You think that me outing you as a leech means that I have shortcomings? I think you've projecting, bigtime.
MAGABoomer ago
Why is @armyseer still permitted in this forum? This idiot has created v/pizzagateshills and listed most of our posters here as shills, including @pleadtheyiff, a founder of PG investigation. I'm now on the list...I am going to report every single post this asswipe makes here as spam as in nearly every post it is accusing someone new of being a shill. There are absolutely forces attempting to stop this investigation, most of us are clever enough to posit that out when reading, however I'm starting to get spidey sense tingles due to the seeming cooperation of mods here with this "person" who has begun an entirely new voat to attack us.
Please address this.
SmilingWide ago
I was censored for not providing a source, even though my entire post was based on a Twitter hashtag #IceCreamGate and how there was an obvious media attempt to co-opt the hashtag using some fake controversy about ice cream being gay???? and turn the issue from pedophilia into homosexuality. The source was the hashtag, but apparently someone didn't want me drawing attention to it and allowing other people to see the blatant (and failed) attempt to co-opt this investigation.
When I replied in protest to the censorship, I was ignored.
This does nothing for giving this site legitimacy.
MAGABoomer ago
The mod that made this OP is part of the problem. Check his post history. I have zero idea who picked this idiot to mod here, but outing pedos does not seem to be on this mod's agenda. He's spent more time complaining about moderation, accusing others, including myself of being shills and using multiple usernames, and flooding the forum with spam that IT has doing any actual "work"..this OP is a weak attempt at normalization. I'm not buying it.
Go check out v/pizzagateshills because if you've submitted anything good here, your name is probably on the list.
SmilingWide ago
We have to assume that anything popular is controlled opposition. 2 out of 3 of any group is FBI. These evil fuckers will do anything in their power to live another year.
RebelSkum ago
Thanks for all the hard work guys!
Nrgiseternal ago
Why must you hold yourselves to any degree of rigor? Full blow congressional investigations have been launched with less. People have been handed life sentences on flimsier chains of circumstantial evidence than what we have here. WHy demand a strict metric of proof for an online discussion forum?
(((I wonder why)))
tjarco ago
interesting thought, i also wonder why still nothing is really happening
SmilingWide ago
Because they are Pedoaffiliated/Bribed.
ghost_marauder ago
I downvoat any and all beggers. Sorry if you're not a shill. But, I fucking hate that shit.
Edit: I should also be downvoated here, because there's the opposite effect. Where shill posts will tell beggers off and then get upvoated. Either downvoat me or fuck off (I must be in a bad mood today, I've cussed like repeatedly, not classy.)
ghost_marauder ago
Because that shit has been getting spammed like a mother fucker. I usually hover over new, and that bullshit is getting old. There is ZERO proof that they are the same person, just accusations. If there's proof every one of those posts would cover it and then those of us that hover would have caught on and gotten pissed. Nope. Just pissing me off with the fucking spam.
Crensch ago
Yeah? Did you want to source that, or just make vague claims?
ThePuppetShow ago
Thank you. I appreciate the honest answer.
ThePuppetShow ago
I've learned not to trust anyone, so forgive me for being skeptical with the Russian narrative. Anyhoot, have a good time doing what you do. Certainly don't want to get you "pulled into something", I just want to know where the invite link is so next time it changes there's an option if it's a critical moment. It really shouldn't be this difficult.
adam_danischewski ago
A few suggestions - instead of a mod commenting, when a post is deleted, that it would fit in one of the new subverses. How about the mod simply bump'ing it directly to the new subverse - such that the other mods know it was bumped there by a mod. That way the posts stay viewable, rather than the poster needing to recheck their inbox and re-submit - resulting in downtime for the post. If the poster disagrees they can still take it up with the mods in v/pizzagatemods.
Also if posts are going to be deleted, I recommend a new subverse v/pizzagatedeleted.
samhara ago
right! or even just link it? Oh yeah, but that's bad for the investigation.. I happen to know when I am being jerked around.
ThePuppetShow ago
And we know he was Russian, how?
ThePuppetShow ago
LOL Was it the same Russian guy Hillary and Co. are claiming hacked the election? God I hope you're joking.
ThePuppetShow ago
They have been in and out for about a month and they always seem to be down at the wrong time.
crystalclearme ago
Sounds about what I had hoped for and glad we seem to be moving forwards
Sheilaaliens ago
A lengthy comment of mine was removed from my own post last night.
ThePuppetShow ago
You could have just said that in the first place. You are a mod, people are going to ask you about shit. Ignoring questions makes it seem like you're being shady, especially when it comes to something like that.
SmilingWide ago
This is supposed to be a completely FREE SPEECH, uncensored board, yet 100% of my experience has been censored.
ThePuppetShow ago
Since when?
Millennial_Falcon ago
How so? We're just getting a lot of submissions lately that violate our submission-quality rules. The sub is still relatively new, so there are a lot of users who are submitting posts without reading the rules carefully. Also, we're getting attacked by shills (such as with the porn flood attack yesterday) who spam irrelevant stuff.
Baluga ago
Honestly, the submission-quality rules are too strict. Things like "titles have to clearly indicate connection to pizzagate" are just onerous. The result is a lot of reasonable stuff is getting deleted for technicalities like that.
Millennial_Falcon ago
The user can always repost with a better title, and can you give an example of a good post that was removed? If you find an example of such, please us know. We don't want good leads or evidence to slip through the cracks anymore than you do. I really don't think that's happening, though. Some users just need time to adjust to the rules. It's really not that hard to make a post that follows the rules:
Establish that there's a good possibility it's directly relevant to pizzagate investigation (avoid cheerleading and unsourced meta discussion), source any factual claims (if it's genuinely a fact, you can find a source, otherwise just acknowledge it's an opinion/claim), and make a title that demonstrates relevance and accurately describes the content of the post (and post as a discussion post to explain relevance if necessary). That's basically it.
Crensch ago
Really? Making sure each post explains its connection is too much? Sounds like whining to me.
"Technicalities" like "Connect the dots in your mind for us, and don't just push shit out there so hundreds of others can waste time trying to figure out your intent"?
Awful, awful argument.
The rules are there to make the parsing of useful vs. non-useful easier. It's there to help those that are just picking up the baton for that particular branch of investigation to be able to make the connections, instead of just random shit being posted with no explanation.
libertyvs ago
and what the hell is with this '10 upvotes per 24 hours'?
Why all the rules? Is this a 'libertarian' group? (LOL - okay, that's a joke.) And this reply may be one too many too, so --- I'll see you tomorrow. V.S.
Investigate1999 ago
Another idea is to allow people to contribute only if they have a good reputation here. There is way too much noise, still.
samhara ago
Disagree. what makes the most noise is people claiming they can't hear anything. The argument doesn't hold. Just skip what you don't want.
ghost_marauder ago
Define good reputation mathematically, inside of a month you'll have bots that built up good rep to a couple of dummy accounts and the noise will continue. That's basically what they tried doing with the downvoat system and it failed spectacularly. The ultimate issue with any anon board will always be noise.
MAGABoomer ago
Good rep...why doesn't anyone go have a look at Kevdude's post history which is 99% complaining about moderation? and accusing others of being shills. After some odd interaction with said submitter I'm less comfortable with it being a mod here than I was before. I'm on some shill list and being accused of having 100+ other accounts. This is not the behavior of any responsible mod.
ghost_marauder ago
Probably because Kevdude and kevdude are not the same account. (Edit: or whatever. I just read through his submissions, stop being a little bitch and get on with your life.)
MAGABoomer ago
Fuck you and the horse. That's all.
MAGABoomer ago
or whatever.
samhara ago
Why would I work hard here just to see it fucked up? No one said it would be easy. but who wrote these rules?
samhara ago
As soon as he said the other guy "resigned" and Kev was fine with his behavior. Then I went an looked at what the guy/mod was doing. It was obvious.
MAGABoomer ago
Hopefully they cleaned house a bit. It was apparent to me reading on my cell yesterday? that Alefantis has been posting on here...fuck knowing this place he's modding too.
Investigate1999 ago
I just wish that there were some kind of peer review system that we could use.
MAGABoomer ago
Peer review? Check out v/pizzagateshills by @armyseer. WTF is this shit? I'm on the list, hell most of the users are on the list. Peer review is as reliable as the peers reviewing.
2impendingdoom ago
Yes, wtf is that? Who is armyseer? a shill? we get put on a shill list because we chose not to down voat? where is that rule?
MAGABoomer ago
Yeah....they're fucking nuts. Reminds you that the wild-eyed guy at the grocery is probably posting shit on the Internetz about how his neighbor has inserted a hidden jewish camera into his sock drawer. They're unwell.
ghost_marauder ago
Beyond the scope of this platform. The best you could do is create your own subverse, (don't know if this one is a feature here, haven't messed with the mod tools) lock everybody out of posting, then pull in articles from other places. As you see the quality of the posters and patterns of who does well you invite them to post on your thread, or hover over their accounts pulling in new submissions. This all requires a ton of work because the platform is a discussion forum, not designed in the least for peer review (other than upvoats, and downvoats)
ThePuppetShow ago
Can we have an invite link for Voat?
You have personally ignored this question several times. Why? I even asked you in a PM.
ThePuppetShow ago
It's certainly interesting I get downvoted for asking the question many have been wanting to know.
sleepingbeautycan ago
Looks good. I didn't get involved with the discussion of rules because drama sux. But I am so pleased with this plan. Good job all
Pizzalurker15 ago
So much deletion. Why delete new relevant posts because they arent in the dead section of pizzagate. Silly division and killing of leads. The sub is very slow and boring now because of all the deleted leads
samhara ago
It's very shady. As anyone might imagine from the subject matter that people are trying to disclose. Exactly why they are the wolves and we are the sheep.
libertyvs ago
I nearly replied above to @investigate1999's remark that people should only be able to post with a 'good reputation', so it is in this context I reply. (I would have made two responses, but the posting of even comments is so restrictive I fear I may use up my allowance.)
Well, how does this kind of idea work? One has to build a reputation. How do you suggest they do that if someone can't contribute? I'm new to VOAT, but have been investigating in the area and have some background in strategic thinking and setting up 'random groups of bloggers' into something like an effective organization (within months), so - what are the hoops that one must jump through to attain a 'good reputation'? I didn't see Rule 4 previously to getting 3 posts banned, and then I ran into issues with being unable to post 'too many' per day? Can't send a message, can't post, can't upvote. It's constraining.
My goal is to focus on group goals and a vision and for targeted effectiveness. I'm still trying to find a way in as none of my posts could be shared due to my ... not being senior enough in some way. So, it's amazing I'm still here -- I am working some other groups, because this effort at prosecuting the guilty (or simply 'getting the word out', which I think is highly over-rated as a priority), is unorganized. Of course it is, it is new and there is enthusiasm. To not lose the momentum, we need a nucleus of Actors, with specifics that the bulk of people can provide their good services to in targeted ways. I need lawyers - legal minds - who can pro bono their way up to a discussion of what is prosecutable here, and the community needs to decide their vision -- is the goal to get 'everyone', or 'a few kingpens', or run of the mill pimps, etc.?
Pizzalurker15 ago
I agree with you
Investigate1999 ago
I hear you. It is very frustrating for me, too, as a user and a mod.
To be honest, I did just you did, where I posted asking for up votes, but that wasn't the right thing to do. Most of my points came from just responding to discussions.
Instead of asking for help to post research, just go through the posts, and ask valid questions. This will help moderators, too. I want to delete a lot of junk out there, but I can't figure out if it is legitimate, or if I missed something, or what. Your questions will help to support our decisions.
Even a simple comment like, "I read through all of this, and I can't find the relevance of it to Pizzagate.", would be a little helpful to me. I can't speak on behalf of all the mods, though.
Just try to find something to say to people.
[edit: I'll up vote your comment, because it is a very good question]
Vindicator ago
Here's my upvoat to help. Sorry about your frustration. I think most of it stems from Voat bandwidth limitations. It gets better quickly as you accumulate points.
Do post your organizational thoughts in v/askpizzagate. Then 'advertise' with a link and comment in a hot thread in v/pizzagate to get eyeballs.
Pizzalurker15 ago
Last time i checked there was 6 users in v/askpizzagate. You might as well stand outside and yell your post. You are going to have a hotlink post in v/pizzagate? Doesnt that defeat the purpose of 'not posting there'?
Vindicator ago
Not a linked post; a linked comment inside a post.
Pizzalurker15 ago
Breaking the pizzagate subverse into 5 seperate subverses is not a good idea. You barely have enough people for one. Askpizzagate has under 100 subscribers. This makes no sense. Deleting posts because they are in the wrong area. Its not going to work. Its too small to be broken down into pieces. Not good
Sui_Juris ago
It's now got over 160 subscribers, in the 15 minutes from your post.
Just remind noob commenters there are other PG subverses, links are to the right, mobile users tap "hamburger" (3 lines at the top left of the sub and most pages) in order to view the sidebar.
In fact, the lack of ability to easily see the sidebar for mobile users is the only stumbling block I see here. So until that gets fixed, just remind them.
Going to sub to the other verses now. Good hunting in 2017!
Pizzalurker15 ago
Ive been deleted three time for posting an instagram where the talk about a murder. Been told to to go to ask pizzagate where there is 90 subscribers. Ya thats really gunna help. The puzzagate investigation on voat is officially dead. New leads will not be seen here. Kevdude doesnt even know who jabbaroos is. :-S. bye good luck here but honestly u got no chance
gopluckyourself ago
Basically we require that everyone explain the how your post is related to pizzagate. Not everyone here is infinitely familiar with all topics related so the more complete the information is the easier for it is for this investigation to go forward. If everyone has to spend 2 hours trying to figure out how the muderer/murder is related then it's a waste of everyones time. If you put a little blerb like pizzagate informant dead an hour before testifying then it becomes relevant. This is why we have the rules we have. And yes the alternate subverses are a bit dead but that will change as we go forward as it stands they are only 1 weekish old. People will get used to how things are arranged here and the few who actually want to answer newbie questions will go over to /v/askpizzagate and the people who want to have active discourse on the rules/moderation will go to /v/pizzagatemods everyone who wants to shitpost or talk about not necessarily related shit will go to /v/pizzagatewhatever and meme crap in the meme place.
samhara ago
" the choo choo train to indictmentville" isn't happening you fucking moron. The Justice System is corrupt.. The only to get these people is to get the word out ...massively. . You don't get it out there by deleting what you happen to think is irrelevant because you happen to have your assumptions wrong and your goals ass - backwards.
gopluckyourself ago
then what do you want out of this investigation? Do you want war? is that what you want. civil war? blow me
edit: if we don't go through the current official channels then that is what you'e advocating for.
samhara ago
I understand. A man wants to do something to protect.. And that is good. But there is no "justice system" apart from these perps. It's just the way it is. You have to work with what you've got. Deleting material , because it's not up to court room standards? will not spread the word.
Also they would not allow any of the esoteric occult info on the perps to come out at the Nuremberg trial.. That's is what they are covering as well! So all that symbolize and discussion should be on the table.
gopluckyourself ago
While I agree that it is important to know about the occultic stuff. Occult in itself isn't illegal. If you can tie the occult into the investigation then by all means do so. But don't just make a post solely about occult otherwise this is /v/occultshit and not /v/pizzagate
samhara ago
There is plenty of room in the subverses on Pizzagate to tie the connections to the occult. They are obviously doing rituals. It's a big subject.
samhara ago
First millions of people have to become aware. Then there can be a case.. Maybe. But they'll have to use some large stadium for all the perps.
gopluckyourself ago
I only took moderation effort against posts that violated the sidebar rules. And yes I agree public sentiment is very important going forward on all of this. There will most likely not be any action on this without support from the people.
I suggest getting the meme side of this ramped up if you really want to do this. Something that will project why you should take pizzagate seriously in as few words as possible. Right now most people dismiss it as some crazy shit based on a few emails. Which is the start of it but pizzagate is so much more than that now.
samhara ago
I saw you "delete" something without giving notice of why . Also, I saw you agree when you were called out as not in good faith. Sometimes I can't be understood by others easily, but that is a red flag. I hope my standards are not too rarefied.
gopluckyourself ago
I atleast cite a rule number in my deletions. Except for maybe like 2 pretty obvious shit posts.
samhara ago
I feel better now that I see all the subverses. I still think the removal of inappropriate posts should not be called " deletion" Deletion is much different than throwing it to another area where it can be viewed.
samhara ago
Who made the sidebar rules?
gopluckyourself ago
Sidebar rules were a community collaboration. The links for them are in the description of this post.
samhara ago
It's not going to happen. The Justice System is totally fake. Sorry if you don't know that. As far as claiming it will all lead to Civil War ? That is a ridiculous threat.. "Do it my way, or be sorry."
There is no need for war.. People just have to gradually become aware of their surroundings and get out of their trance state [Wake Up] induced deliberately by these psychos.
If you are a real man, you should protect people not threaten War.
Oh yeah, like WACO go in their to "save the children" and burn down the house? That's why you've been programmed, so you can't think of anything better. No WACO - Wake - up!
MAGABoomer ago
A simple read and glance at the posts on this thread daring to question makes it more than clear what is happening here despite your "explanation". It's also clear who the problem mods are. The mass DV of anyone daring to ask questions or doubt the sincerity of the OP (which after interacting with that asshole I strongly question) are being DV en masse. It's clear this forum is scheduled for death. Thanks. The pedo forums thank you.
gopluckyourself ago
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Pizzalurker15 ago
Ok thanks for your response. My post didnt get deleted this time so i am happy. Here it is if you want to see it
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1534826
Millenium Falcon helped me this morning
GoatFucking101 ago
I'm really glad that voat has gone full gay, too many straight guys were running voat for too long, now that team reddit is running voat, I'm sure that things will flow like peanut butter,
Trump made it cool to be gay again, and that's all that matters, pizzagate made it cool to be a pedophile, heaven on earth in our own lifetimes.
zzvoat ago
Many thanks for ALL you do!
gopluckyourself ago
I was getting a lot of questions from mobile users about where the rules were. I'm not a mobile user myself but it may be something to look in from a design side of things /u/heygeorge not really sure what you could do about this but there it is.
heygeorge ago
Mobile users need to press the "hamburger" (3 lines at the top left of the sub and most pages) in order to view the sidebar.
I don't know if there's much that can be done about it... I'll put it on my current gigantic list now that the holidays have most all wound down.
gopluckyourself ago
haha love you buddy.
heygeorge ago
Then y u no answer my question about grant monies?!? :) Cheers!
gopluckyourself ago
I'm seriously not following here rofl.
Edit: NVM I FIGURED IT OUT!!!
Toogi23 ago
I had the same problem, on mobile you can only see the main centre, you can't see any of the sides. I had to go onto tablet in the end and turn it landscape just to see.
gopluckyourself ago
I'll do my best not to be I just need to limit my time moderating this place if and when I ever get offered a moderator position back. It's really easy to get frustrated with the sheer volume of posts here while trying to enforce the rules.
Crensch ago
@l4l1lul3l0 I can confirm that this guy was excellent at calling out rulebreaking posts for us mods before he became one. I can also confirm that battle fatigue can and will happen when your name is on the modlist and you've got nearly everyone not involved in PG hating your guts and trying to undermine what you're doing.
He may indeed wind up a deep-cover shill, but I'm still of the mind that he deserves another shot at modding when he's ready. I will, of course, defer to the more active mods for the final decision there, though.
kneo24 ago
What does the no doxing rule mean? No one views doxing consistently. What are the guidelines behind it?
Investigate1999 ago
I agree that the restructuring looks sound.
Maybe we also need a subverse for general news. That link about David Seaman seems important, but it doesn't help us with our investigation, and nor does it fit in brainstorming.samhara ago
Who gets to decided what helps with the investigation. Personally I think the rules suck. And do not trust this place. I think Reddit seems better at this point.
Also this the frikkin guy admits he;s a shill.. "probably"
"I am the creator of the bot you fucking idiot. I am trying to warn the community we don't have a valid backup source now of external links and you just censored the post! Are you a shill or an idiot?
permalink parent save source reply report spam [–] gopluckyourself 0 points (+0|-0) 1.6 days ago (edited 1.6 days ago) Probly both no reason to be hostile. Also I'm no longer a mod so you don't have to worry about that anymore. However I stand by my deletion of this post and encourage you to repost it as a discussion into the appropriate subverses. Cheers."
Call like this : THEY WILL PSY - OP YOU TO DEATH.. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
Investigate1999 ago
Yeah. I don't understand what was going on there. He was off topic for this specific forum. It should have went in the news forum.
samhara ago
p.s There was no reason placed on the post for the deletion. Yet Kevdude says the guy resigned and was not booted. What does that say about Kevdude.. Am I supposed to waste my time around here? Just to get "deleted" They can't even get their grammar / vocabulary straight.