Why do you feel that posts here must relate strictly to Pizzagate, and not Pedogate at large?
Can you please give some examples of submissions that the moderators have created, some of their own research?
Downvote me if you think mods don't need to be top research contributors.
Upvote me if you think mods need to be top research contributors.
I think that these are healthy questions to be asking.
EDIT:
I don't think that any of us care about reader bias. Research is research. It's pretty objective. Post your own research if you actually do any, other than just ((((((((((((((modding)))))))))))))).
the real problem is.. a sub like this, to keep it pure and effective, needs to be controlled by the users and for the users..not the mods.
that is a great example.. not really because the post is so spectacular or anything.. but because it's clearly relevant... there are about 10 posts just like that on the front page whenever i check here lately and none of them are explained either... why delete one and not the other? the deleted per rule 1 and 4 doesn't make sense in light of all the other similar posts which don't get deleted.
deleted submissions... one of the best places to get a clear view of what's up... like this.. look at the comment quantity..
sensitive removed 18 hours ago on 4/28/2017 1:31:06 PM
"@allornothing: Rules 2 and 4."
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"PIZZA"GATE is being drowned out by "PEDO"gate posters. If its being done on purpose ? (pizzagate)
submitted 20 hours ago by [deleted] to pizzagate
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or this.. ... http://archive.is/zaZsr.... 94 upvoats.. 104 comments... shot in the back by deletion
moderators on this sub should not be dictating policy and opinion... they should just be deleting spam and helping folks with links (especially to previous sub posts about a new discussion that comes up - which i have never seen them do).
helping folks with links (especially to previous sub posts about a new discussion that comes up - which i have never seen them do).
Maybe we would have more time to do supportive work, if users would put just a little bit more effort into the creation of their posts, so they don't break the COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED rules anymore and therefore won't have to be deleted by us all the time. Then we also wouldn't have to deal/ spend time with the constant character attacks against us for deleting "muh good post".
In my opinion, the rules that we have here are making perfect sense. Users who post stuff SHOULD explain their post/ how it is relevant, cite sources for their claims and describe the content of posted links.(especially for very long articles or videos) I really don't think this is asked for too much, considering what this sub is about. It's pretty easy to satisfy those rules and it's obviously only for the good of other researchers here.
Just explain how something is relevant, post sources for your claims and deliver a description of what is to be found in the links you provided and other researchers have it a lot easier and mods won't have to delete your post. Win win win.
But no, rather keep posting low quality posts as if you don't even care and then go and divide the community about nonesense.
Not saying, this is what you personally are doing, but it's what a lot of people do here and where most of the anti mod mentality comes from.
Don't you think it's funny, that the users who are against the mods the most are also the ones who put the least effort into their "research" posts?
Most users who actually work out high quality posts don't seem to have as much of a problem with us... Why is this?
There are exceptions of course.. liarohyouliar
That is utter bullshit and you know it. You mods are out of control and many good people have left or given up because of YOU. Who the fuck is disobedient media anyhow? They come in here and take over and suddenly the censoring begins and their reporters are constantly pushed. Nice one, getting several full-time salaries out of pizzagate, good business sense and great social media manipulation but THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR POCKETBOOK.
It's not even worth saying at this point, it's been said 100's of times and you mods blow it off like authoritarian assholes. YOU destroyed the momentum in this sub you fucking liars.
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THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Can you please give some examples of submissions that the moderators have created, some of their own research?
Downvote me if you think mods don't need to be top research contributors.
Upvote me if you think mods need to be top research contributors.
I think that these are healthy questions to be asking.
EDIT:
I don't think that any of us care about reader bias. Research is research. It's pretty objective. Post your own research if you actually do any, other than just ((((((((((((((modding)))))))))))))).
sound_of_silence ago
we need full mod transparency.. this is an investigative sub.. not saturday morning cartoons.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/submission
This is a great example of a deleted post:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1824532
sound_of_silence ago
the real problem is.. a sub like this, to keep it pure and effective, needs to be controlled by the users and for the users..not the mods.
that is a great example.. not really because the post is so spectacular or anything.. but because it's clearly relevant... there are about 10 posts just like that on the front page whenever i check here lately and none of them are explained either... why delete one and not the other? the deleted per rule 1 and 4 doesn't make sense in light of all the other similar posts which don't get deleted.
deleted submissions... one of the best places to get a clear view of what's up... like this.. look at the comment quantity..
or this.. ... http://archive.is/zaZsr.... 94 upvoats.. 104 comments... shot in the back by deletion
moderators on this sub should not be dictating policy and opinion... they should just be deleting spam and helping folks with links (especially to previous sub posts about a new discussion that comes up - which i have never seen them do).
nnfx ago
Which is exactly the reason for this change of rules and this Sticky. So, you should welcome it, no?
We don't dictate anything. The rules and the current definition of "pizzagate" were developed with the help of the community, as seen here:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1506633
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1514345
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1517862
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1527246
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1528884
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1533894
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1630221
Maybe we would have more time to do supportive work, if users would put just a little bit more effort into the creation of their posts, so they don't break the COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED rules anymore and therefore won't have to be deleted by us all the time. Then we also wouldn't have to deal/ spend time with the constant character attacks against us for deleting "muh good post".
In my opinion, the rules that we have here are making perfect sense. Users who post stuff SHOULD explain their post/ how it is relevant, cite sources for their claims and describe the content of posted links.(especially for very long articles or videos) I really don't think this is asked for too much, considering what this sub is about. It's pretty easy to satisfy those rules and it's obviously only for the good of other researchers here.
Just explain how something is relevant, post sources for your claims and deliver a description of what is to be found in the links you provided and other researchers have it a lot easier and mods won't have to delete your post. Win win win. But no, rather keep posting low quality posts as if you don't even care and then go and divide the community about nonesense.
Not saying, this is what you personally are doing, but it's what a lot of people do here and where most of the anti mod mentality comes from.
Don't you think it's funny, that the users who are against the mods the most are also the ones who put the least effort into their "research" posts? Most users who actually work out high quality posts don't seem to have as much of a problem with us... Why is this? There are exceptions of course.. liarohyouliar
Yates ago
That is utter bullshit and you know it. You mods are out of control and many good people have left or given up because of YOU. Who the fuck is disobedient media anyhow? They come in here and take over and suddenly the censoring begins and their reporters are constantly pushed. Nice one, getting several full-time salaries out of pizzagate, good business sense and great social media manipulation but THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR POCKETBOOK.
It's not even worth saying at this point, it's been said 100's of times and you mods blow it off like authoritarian assholes. YOU destroyed the momentum in this sub you fucking liars.