@newworldahead, I am flairing this as "Debunked" until someone can prove otherwise because the legal documents referenced do not support the conclusion put forward in your headline, or by Cernovich himself in his article. It appears he is instead working with Derschowitz to get the victim's files unsealed by the court. For additional detailed analysis besides what has been included in the comments, see this thread.
@newworldahead, I am flairing this as "Debunked" until someone can prove otherwise because the legal documents referenced do not support the conclusion put forward in your headline, or by Cernovich himself in his article. It appears he is instead working with Derschowitz to get the victim's files unsealed by the court. For a detailed analysis, see this thread.
Ok, thanks for letting me know. The analysis by @JrSlimss is convincing. It seems like Cernovich is playing games with us. At the very least he owes us an explanation.
Well, the journalists who have actually been either threatened or received legal papers don't look very happy about it. It's very strange that Cernovich hasn't acknowledged that he made a mistake. At least, that's what it appears.
Not really. Jeff Epstein is a disgusting perv but not technically a pedophile. It is a definition based on science of the predators brain and behavior characteristics. If the victim has reached sexual maturity...as menstruation, it is technically not pedophilia....it's really not even hebephilia (girls nearing sexual maturity...about 11 to 14).
It does make a difference. There is a world of difference between ongoing sexual abuse of a 3 year old and that of a 14 year old. I am not saying it's ok for the teen...just that it is different.
I say this as a parent of three teenagers and a former victim of child sexual abuse.
Sorry I don't understand the logic of your question..I used the word 'only' to emphasise my point of him being a hebephile not a pedophile
Lol maybe being aware of the definitions has something to do with the fact that this forum has to do with discussing issues to do with child abuse!
Your final statement once again highlights your clear lack of logic used in discussing such important issues
Here is the legal story behind this. Mike wants to intervene, he is not being sued by Epstein. That means Mike asked the judge to get in the case so he can get just one document. Mike wants a juicy Motion for Summary Judgment document that Epstein's attorney filed. A Motion for Summary Judgment basically explains Epstein's case in a nutshell and why the Court show not proceed with the entire lawsuit fighting it out in court. He is saying to the judge that once you hear all of this, you will automatically see this girl has no case and I should win because of what I am telling you is she has no case to win and she can eat crap and die. So it is a step-by-step show your poker hand Motion. The problem here is the girl was a minor when all this took place so both parties agreed to seal the case. That means Joe Public like Mike can't go to the court house and get a copy. In most cases, you can do just that. If you want to read all the juicy details of someone's lawsuit you can unless there is a Protective Order to keep it out of public's eye. The judge has ruled previously that all the details will remain secret. Because Mike has file a Motion to get this document, the girl's attorney is filing a Motion to Quash with the court and they have to give a copy to Mike because it involves his Motion requesting this document. The reason you cannot see anything (redacted, is because this case is sealed by the Court. In cases dealing with minors, the Court will also throw everyone out of the Courtroom because it deals with a minor and they are protected from prying minds/eyes. So this was all brought on by Mike, himself. If he didn't want the juicy Motion so he could read all the salacious comments he would have not been noticed by the Court that they are going to have a hearing to see if he will get this document. Also, a Motion can be about anything. You could write Motion for "blank". Motion to See My Dog could be filed in Court. This is not a Complaint and Mike is not getting sued. Now it does sound like Alex Jones and Jake Morphenus (sp) are for sure being sued. They each receive a Complaint naming them as a Defendant in a lawsuit. They must now file an Answer to the Complaint and it is usually 20 days to file an Answer. Also, Quash means "kill Mike's request for document in legal terms. One more thing, this hearing on the Motion Mike wants will be a Closed Hearing. Meaning no one can be in Courtroom except the Plaintiff/Defendant, Mike and all the attorneys and judge/court staff involved. That's is it.
Maybe because they don't understand he is not being sued by Epstein and so they think he needs the money to defend himself. Dershowitz has an interest in the Epstein case. Supposedly, Dershowitz flew down to Lolita Island with Epstein and I believe it was this girl who said she had sex with Dershowitz as well as others. So Alan Dershowitz has an interest in this case and he denies he ever was involved with this woman when she was a minor. I think he even denies he went to the island. Mike is friends with Alan (I am spelling his last name wrong) so he wants to find out what is in that Motion. Alan tried to intervene and get this same Motion for Summary Judgment and was denied by the Court. People are confused about Mike's defense as he is not a defendant in this case.
Can we please stop calling Epstein a pedophile as he was only convicted for soliciting sex from a 14yo girl
The definition of a pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children up to the age of 13, thus Epstein would be more correctly labelled a hebephile (11-14).
honestly I don't see any evidence there is a legal case against cernovich. the thing posted on his site is completely redacted and does not have his name anywhere. confused.
I bet it says, "Dear Judge XXXXXX, don't you remember that nice week you spent on my island? Well I have video from multiple angles in case you forgot. By the way, quash this motion"
If he's an intervenor or if he filed a lawsuit to unseal the documents from this lawsuit, the heading on the MTQ might be a proper heading, whereas the motion to quash might pertain to one of his other motions. It appears there are over 600 other filings in reference to this case. It's impossible to prove he is or isn't based on a completely redacted motion.
I'm not sure. It might, but when I was sued my ex sued to modify our divorce and it was the same case number for over 5 years until it got transferred to another county. Maybe it would, if he filed in a different county. But most likely he filed in the same exact court.
wow. This gives some insight into the case. It has been docketed 253 times! Here's an unredacted Judge's Decision and Order regarding the motion to quash the Subpoena of Paul Cassell.
This part explains the redaction Cernovich received
"Further complicating the situation, two cases in Florida relate to this case. Those cases,
like the New York case, involve subject matter that can be inflammatory and involves criminal
prosecutions. Therefore, all of these cases involve confidentiality issues and sealing orders. Judge
Sweet already has knowledge of how these cases interact and the meaning of the orders in his case
as well as those in the Florida cases. "
It looks weird. Cassell is a witness and at one point was the Plaintiff's attorney? I don't have time to read all of this.. but interesting.
**EDIT: HOWEVER, it is my conclusion that this may, in fact, be a new motion to quash, as evidenced by the filing date of 3/3/17. The decision I linked here is dated 6/30/16. **
It is the VICTIM, Virginia Roberts trying to keep the documents sealed. The same victim that named DERSHOWITZ as someone she was made to have sex with. Here is the letter from Virginia's attorney that shows the relationship between Cernovich & Dershowitz:
Mike filed a lawsuit against Epstein actually! He is attempting to get this case opened up to the American people. This is their response. Mike is in essence suing the CIA/Dyncorp.
Their response is motion to quash with redacted reasoning.
At first I was pretty confused (I have a law degree and I'm not a licensed attorney but I have worked on Motions to Quash in the past for lawyers) because of the names, then I read to the bottom of the comments and read the history of this case. I was unaware of this before. So essentially, my WTF comment had to be revised. The Motion to Quash would effectively quash / throw out the petition or some other motion that was filed. They lost the summary judgment motion so they are having to file a motion to quash on some other grounds. There are different grounds for the court to grant each one. The fact that it was even redacted at all leads me back to my theory I've had going for a couple of days that Epstein was set up as a deep state agent to blackmail all of these politicians and that we will probably see some sort of situation where the redactions are never published, ever, for reasons of national security similar to what happened with Cathy O'Brien's attempt to get her daughter out of Tennessee CPS. But, I'm purely speculating at this point.
His implying that he needs to defend himself isn't necessarily a stretch at all. There are probably details his attorney is giving him that we are not privy to, but it sounds like he knows more than he has said. If he arranged for this lawsuit to be filed, then a motion to quash in response could pertain to him, or he could have been threatened with something that he isn't saying.
The way I understand this (and there was another thread a few weeks ago) is that Dershowitz & Cernovich are working together to get the original case by Virginia Roberts against Epstein unsealed even though she was a minor. I believe it is to use against Virginia - or maybe one of the Jane Doe's that are currently suing Epstein - since she also said she was made to have sex with Dershowitz.
Here is a letter from Virginia's attorney laying out the relationship between Dershowitz & Cernovich...
An intervenor can join either side and in this context I'd have to assume Dershowitz joined the Defendant Maxwell and Cernovich the plaintiff (Virginia).
The doc nr and date don't match the doc Quantokitty and I were talking about. So this is another Motion to Quash, likely by another subpoenaed party.
I don't know whether Intervenors can be subpoenaed themselves in these cases, but whoever it is, as Intervenor in the case Cernovich and Counsel should know damn well that this has nothing to do with them being sued.
I think this is a good way to see which side everyone is on. Anyone against Virginia is against pizzagate. SHE IS THE VICTIM. SHE IS WHO WE ARE WORKING FOR.
I'm no lawyer but/and I've never been a fan of Cernovich. Wasn't sure I would post this or where so I'm tagging onto your comment.
How do we actually know that anything he says about anything is even true?
If it is true, why not have found a lawyer that was one of us who would have done it for free
If it is true, why not file pro se (you file on your own without a lawyer involved.)
I don't like anything, whether direct or indirect that smacks of "I need more money. "
Here's all i needed to read from him. ..
"Pedophiles are afraid, and legal costs are mounting."
"I have been funding this lawsuit with help from my Patreon backers. My attorney Marc Randazza billed me at a 50% discount due to the importance of this matter.
Jeffrey Epstein is a billionaire who should be in prison for life. He bought his way out of prison, and now he’s trying to spend his way out of this case by filing costly legal papers against me.
100% of contributions will go towards the legal defense fund.
Become a monthly donor on Patreon.
Make a contribution via BitCoin on CoinBase
Or fund the news via PayPal."
My take:
There are people on this v/ who are working one or more jobs who are really getting things done - digging deep in their free time and ask for nothing.
Put a computer camera in front of your face, sound serious and righteous and caring, repeat info you find here, on the Chans or from other youtubers, upload it to you tube, monetize it, declare yourself an "investigative journalist" over and over again, and come up with reasons. ... very possibly manufactured about why you need money. .. "It's going to the cause" and the cash flows in. Only takes about 30 minutes a day.
Cernovich is an attorney himself. Licensed in the State of California. And, as others have said...he is quite rich from a very lucrative alimony settlement. The dude is pure ego, vanity, narcissism, and self-promotion. And that's best case. Avoid at all costs.
That was my initial thought as well. He's trying to scoop up a bunch of donations. Since the whole thing is complicated legalese, most people aren't able to figure out what's going on. By the time they do, he'll already have everyone's money.
Well, look at the Plaintiff and Defendant. Cernovich's name wasn't on there. Was he a party to this action? Did he put into have access to what Ghislaine Maxwell says if she's forced to testify? He would get a copy of affidavit if that were the case, and the testimony might be redacted because it's ongoing litigation. It's the same case number, I think. I glanced at it so I hope it saw what I think i saw. But even without finding it online, a look at the Plaintiff/Defendant does not show Epstein as the complainant or Cernovich as the defendant.
I really think he got rattled. There's been a lot going on and he might of forgotten requesting records. I'm more wondering if there was a final determination, and if not, what's going on. Cernovich's attorney would definitely be able to find that out.
It's an honest mistake. It shows what pressure these guys are under.
He is? I don't know. I've followed him for a long time and he's been a stand up guy. Maybe sleep deprivation? He and his wife just had that baby. I don't know what to say. It does seem like he'd at least at the Plaintiff and Defendant in the case. No, wait! It has to be an honest mistake because he's blasted this all over the internet! If it turns out that this has absolutely nothing to do with him (and it appears that it doesn't and that the papers are only copies of court proceedings), then he's going to have to say that. No one would put themselves in that position. It would be better to say you're sued, not show anything, but the envelope, and never be proven wrong.
I don't mean to sound harsh but this pisses me off. I've been on the fence about him for a while but the incidents like this keep piling up. Clicks. It's always the clicks and numbers to him.
I wanted to trust him early on because he seemed on the side of gg but too much has happened. His changing ideologies and denying he said or tweeted something when the archives and screenshots exist finally made me see that he's fundamentally dishonest.
Dershowitz was in his film "Silenced" check his timeline, they're friends. I've been following him for several years and too many odd things to trust him. I'm not law savvy but I believe many here are and this looks bad. He does not need money at all. He has bragged for years about the alimony he receives from his ex-wife, I believe it was $5000 per month, and then his book made quite a bit too. He refers cases to other lawyers and takes a third though I don't believe he passed the bar. That might have changed recently but I don't think so, I would have heard. He is more concerned with "brand" and metrics than anything and his ideology is whatever is profitable. He glommed onto the gamergate thing a couple years ago and made his name that way. Then he was alt-right, then he claimed he never was but tweets exist that prove it. he is a deleter of evidence when that evidence contradicts his stance of the day. You may see a lot of twitter accounts mocking/satirizing him and there's good reason for that. He is essentially dishonest. Above all, do not give him money. He is rich, his wife comes from money and he has a very large income at present.
What kind of pussy brags about getting 5k/mo from his ex-wife...and then writes a book called Gorilla Mindset. That, right there, tells me all I need to know.
I didn't know about the alimony. Thanks for the alimony. He definitely is concerned with brand, but I've seen him put himself out there. I just can't see him doing this publicity and posting those docs. Seems like more a mistake, but that's me.
I just checked and people have been replying with the same info and no response. He just pointed them to an earlier article. Already on to something else. But I guess his analytics look good after all those clicks.
If he's blowing this off without acknowledging he got it wrong, it's not good. I just went to the blog and I don't see anybody pointing this out. I also see that he's still talking about raising money to fight this? Fight what? Have no idea what's going on. Very strange.
I looked there. I see one of two vague comments ... nothing he'd understand.They look like shill comments (they're not ... but to him they look like shill comments.) He's still talking about it not being a scanning error. I can't believe no one close to him hasn't made a cal and told him to just pull those tweets and not go down this road.
There are plenty, you haven't looked far enough. Hundreds of replies. If he pulls those tweets now then the people who have been monitoring his other many pulled tweets will plaster pics of them onto his timeline. He knows this and will probably just let this slide.
You're missing the point. I don't have time to comb through the comments ... I'm sure someone else noticed what I did. But I'm betting he doesn't have time either or is just brushing the comments to the side as being shill posts. They're actually trying to help. I get it ... you get it ... he doesn't get it. It's why a friend needs to drag him aside and tell him to stop.
People HAVE tried. His ego is huge and he tends to block people and then claim they're paid trolls. Right after the mega thread on this started he tweeted that he has insider info that trolls will be false flagging him and to not believe anything they say. It happens again and again, that is what I'm trying to tell you. At what point, after seeing this play out in the same fashion, over and over, do you finally start to wonder about his integrity?
Well, you're putting a lot of weight in my opinion. My answer to all of the above is that I'll see how I feel when I find out how he ultimately deals with this. At some point, he has to realize the mistake he's made so we'll see what he does. Right now, like you and I both said, he's treating all negative opinions as troll comments. So we'll see. If in a month, he's still asking for money. Or in two months. If he is, and that blog post hasn't changed and there's no explanation and caveat added to explain, it'll be problematic. Thanks.
The Defendant is Ghislaine Maxwell and the plaintiff is Virginia Roberts (who was serially abused by Epstein). Churcher (who broke the Epstein story) was subpoenaed by Defendant, but refused to testify on grounds of reporters' privilege.
Absolutely NO connection to or even mention of Cernovich, or it must be in the ten redacted lines of this 20 page doc. Still absolutely nothing supporting his notion that he's being sued.
He mentions seeking legal counsel. Well that would have told him straight away that this has nothing to do with him. Sorry I can't see an honest mistake here.
It would seem to be. I think his saying he sought legal counsel was a bluff ... none of us are in positions to run to lawyers at the drop of a hat. I do think he got this one wrong.
Epstein is just as delusional as JP, HRC, JA & the rest of the Pedos...smh!
In this article (below), Epstein describes himself as an "armistice activist” who formed the International Peace Institute in Bahrain. According to JeffreyEpsteinuUSVI.com, he prevented orphanages from folding & used his riches to build schools in poverty-stricken areas in the Virgin Islands.."
It's such a shame that FAA flight plans, destinations and passenger lists can't be redacted, isn't it? He can't re-write history with legal stuff like injunctions and gagging orders. The Weiner will have already spilled the beans, if what has been rumoured is true.
It's lawsuit season. End Times News. Seaman. Alex Jones (if you believe it), now Cernovich. A massive trolling campaign. Internet freeze outs. Messing with financial accounts and cars. Brake lines cut:
I know the legal system is bizarre and corrupt, but this still doesn't make any sense.
How the hell can somebody possibly be served with fully redacted legal papers? Is this even technically possible outside of maybe some kind of national security type of case where the CIA might be protecting some kind of military secret?
Any lawyers here to tell us if Cernovich full of shit, or if this is in fact some kind of legitimate (((legal trick))) where you don't have to send somebody you're suing an actual complaint?
i did research on www.pacer.gov - the entire motion to quash IS redacted on this site, as are the other documents that Cernovich filed to have UNSEALED. yes - many motions in this set are redacted, Cernovich is trying to get the defense's summary judgement UNSEALED.
Jeff is safe - he holds all his video archives, he goes they all burn ... burn? Oh that might be the appropriate sentencing outcome for this wicked lot.
I don't trust Mike Cernovich either for that matter. He flashes the 666 hand sign too often for my liking. He's part of the photogenic bunch, that all flash the sign. I don't care that they helped Trump, but the bottom line is exposing the elite pedosadists.
I need to be more active here so I can downvote, too. Yes, beware of Mike Cernovich, Milo, the Pettibones, David Seaman, and Prosobiec. Alex Jones. They are all part of the "divide and conquer" and don't give a shit about children or SRA. I voted for Trump. But I think that will be the last time I vote.
Trying to follow your reasoning. So the idea is to bring a bunch of attention to elite pedos by these people and then do what? Make money off of it? Would that be the ultimate goal? Because even if they're shills or imposters or whatever the hell, they're still bringing attention to get people into investigating it themselves.
The only other situation I can see that would be relative, if even in a different context, is the Never Trump crowd of mouthpieces who had always made their money writing books and being columnist touting their CONservative politics. ie: Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Bill Krystol ect.
"I flew up to Canada to learn more about BitGold, and its parent Goldmoney. An entrepreneur around my age, Roy Sebag, had grown the publicly traded Goldmoney and built its popular subsidiary BitGold into a million-plus community of users transacting in verifiable, insured physical gold. We became friends and I used it as an opportunity to learn as much about the business as possible. Goldmoney had hired former PayPal Canada CEO Darrell MacMullin to helm its BitGold unit, and attracted a number of other thought leaders in the space, including Peter Schiff’s SchiffGold, which was recently acquired by Sebag’s company. The company is funded by a number of savvy financial elites including precious metals entrepreneur Eric Sprott and the legendary Soros family."
I'm very concerned about his peddling for a Soros investment. George Soros --> Hillary Clinton/Haiti-->Pizzagate
Yeah, I wonder about that lot, too. But I still will listen to Mark Levin, because I am concerned about national sovereignty, borders and the Constitution. Steve Crowder is suspect to me as well. They are the new MSM.
I initially thought this was a shill post. Turns out this post convinced me that David seaman is a zionist jew. I already knew that guy was a scheme just by his voice. I can tell by his personality that he isnt the type to be interested in pizza gate.
He stated some leads previously unfamiliar to humble me, and some after humble old me, won't deny it, but if it's a limited hangout why should I be taking it as gospel.
This is so bizarre. Is agree with your lawyer. - "secret" trial would be unconstitutional but so is everything else going on. Will there be a court date? How can we help??
See my reply to this. It is a sealed court case due to Plaintiff was a minor when it occurred and Court always protects a minor's info unless all parties agree not necessary.
Vindicator ago
@newworldahead, I am flairing this as "Debunked" until someone can prove otherwise because the legal documents referenced do not support the conclusion put forward in your headline, or by Cernovich himself in his article. It appears he is instead working with Derschowitz to get the victim's files unsealed by the court. For additional detailed analysis besides what has been included in the comments, see this thread.
Vindicator ago
@newworldahead, I am flairing this as "Debunked" until someone can prove otherwise because the legal documents referenced do not support the conclusion put forward in your headline, or by Cernovich himself in his article. It appears he is instead working with Derschowitz to get the victim's files unsealed by the court. For a detailed analysis, see this thread.
newworldahead ago
Ok, thanks for letting me know. The analysis by @JrSlimss is convincing. It seems like Cernovich is playing games with us. At the very least he owes us an explanation.
Vindicator ago
Agree! The implications of his baldfaced lying here are chilling.
FLYNNL1VE5 ago
IS CERNOVICH A JEW? EPSTEIN AND DERSHOWITZ ARE
quantokitty ago
Well, the journalists who have actually been either threatened or received legal papers don't look very happy about it. It's very strange that Cernovich hasn't acknowledged that he made a mistake. At least, that's what it appears.
Melitica ago
Not really. Jeff Epstein is a disgusting perv but not technically a pedophile. It is a definition based on science of the predators brain and behavior characteristics. If the victim has reached sexual maturity...as menstruation, it is technically not pedophilia....it's really not even hebephilia (girls nearing sexual maturity...about 11 to 14).
It does make a difference. There is a world of difference between ongoing sexual abuse of a 3 year old and that of a 14 year old. I am not saying it's ok for the teen...just that it is different.
I say this as a parent of three teenagers and a former victim of child sexual abuse.
FLYNNL1VE5 ago
David Seaman started the Patreon thing and now everyone thinks it is cool.
HashTagFU ago
David Semen Running Down my Leg?
TomDrew87 ago
Sorry I don't understand the logic of your question..I used the word 'only' to emphasise my point of him being a hebephile not a pedophile Lol maybe being aware of the definitions has something to do with the fact that this forum has to do with discussing issues to do with child abuse! Your final statement once again highlights your clear lack of logic used in discussing such important issues
Mommyplayer571 ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7MbmalBu4Y&sns=tw Don't miss this one Epstein fans.
Dressage2 ago
Here is the legal story behind this. Mike wants to intervene, he is not being sued by Epstein. That means Mike asked the judge to get in the case so he can get just one document. Mike wants a juicy Motion for Summary Judgment document that Epstein's attorney filed. A Motion for Summary Judgment basically explains Epstein's case in a nutshell and why the Court show not proceed with the entire lawsuit fighting it out in court. He is saying to the judge that once you hear all of this, you will automatically see this girl has no case and I should win because of what I am telling you is she has no case to win and she can eat crap and die. So it is a step-by-step show your poker hand Motion. The problem here is the girl was a minor when all this took place so both parties agreed to seal the case. That means Joe Public like Mike can't go to the court house and get a copy. In most cases, you can do just that. If you want to read all the juicy details of someone's lawsuit you can unless there is a Protective Order to keep it out of public's eye. The judge has ruled previously that all the details will remain secret. Because Mike has file a Motion to get this document, the girl's attorney is filing a Motion to Quash with the court and they have to give a copy to Mike because it involves his Motion requesting this document. The reason you cannot see anything (redacted, is because this case is sealed by the Court. In cases dealing with minors, the Court will also throw everyone out of the Courtroom because it deals with a minor and they are protected from prying minds/eyes. So this was all brought on by Mike, himself. If he didn't want the juicy Motion so he could read all the salacious comments he would have not been noticed by the Court that they are going to have a hearing to see if he will get this document. Also, a Motion can be about anything. You could write Motion for "blank". Motion to See My Dog could be filed in Court. This is not a Complaint and Mike is not getting sued. Now it does sound like Alex Jones and Jake Morphenus (sp) are for sure being sued. They each receive a Complaint naming them as a Defendant in a lawsuit. They must now file an Answer to the Complaint and it is usually 20 days to file an Answer. Also, Quash means "kill Mike's request for document in legal terms. One more thing, this hearing on the Motion Mike wants will be a Closed Hearing. Meaning no one can be in Courtroom except the Plaintiff/Defendant, Mike and all the attorneys and judge/court staff involved. That's is it.
Pipebomb ago
Thank you for explaining that!
Yates ago
So why are people giving him money "for his defense"?
Dressage2 ago
Maybe because they don't understand he is not being sued by Epstein and so they think he needs the money to defend himself. Dershowitz has an interest in the Epstein case. Supposedly, Dershowitz flew down to Lolita Island with Epstein and I believe it was this girl who said she had sex with Dershowitz as well as others. So Alan Dershowitz has an interest in this case and he denies he ever was involved with this woman when she was a minor. I think he even denies he went to the island. Mike is friends with Alan (I am spelling his last name wrong) so he wants to find out what is in that Motion. Alan tried to intervene and get this same Motion for Summary Judgment and was denied by the Court. People are confused about Mike's defense as he is not a defendant in this case.
TomDrew87 ago
Can we please stop calling Epstein a pedophile as he was only convicted for soliciting sex from a 14yo girl The definition of a pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children up to the age of 13, thus Epstein would be more correctly labelled a hebephile (11-14).
justice4kidz ago
honestly I don't see any evidence there is a legal case against cernovich. the thing posted on his site is completely redacted and does not have his name anywhere. confused.
DangerPizza ago
I bet it says, "Dear Judge XXXXXX, don't you remember that nice week you spent on my island? Well I have video from multiple angles in case you forgot. By the way, quash this motion"
Hmm anyone on this list look familiar?
http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/judges/District
equineluvr ago
If Cenovich was served, the papers are not "secret."
Redacted, yes. Secret, no.
Singleservename ago
This is disinfo by lying pedo defenders, it is hurtful to an Epstein and Dershowitz child abuse victim and should be taken down now. See convo below.
TAKE IT DOWN GODDAMMIT
V____Z ago
Cernovich tweeted https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/837745962445570049 that it was indeed Epstein who sued him; some in the comments are saying it's Cernovich who sued Epstein.
Piscina ago
Isn't cernovich good buddies with Dershovitz, Epstein's lawyer and fellow child rapist?
equineluvr ago
Yep. Here's a thread on Dershowitz that I just posted.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1692804
cakeoflightylight ago
I've never seen a thread go to shit quite like this one. Please do this- read these links. I understood better after reading both of them.
Singleservename ago
What I understand from this is that Cernovich is intervening together with Dershowitz to unseal records AGAINST the wishes of an abuse victim.
Apart from the fact that the doc does NOT show him being sued, isn't that al we need to know?
Man this thread is fucked indeed.
cakeoflightylight ago
How would we know if that's all we need to know when the entire document is redacted?
Singleservename ago
Because he displays the document as proof that he is in fact being sued, while even in its redacted form its clear that he isn't because it isn't.
cakeoflightylight ago
If he's an intervenor or if he filed a lawsuit to unseal the documents from this lawsuit, the heading on the MTQ might be a proper heading, whereas the motion to quash might pertain to one of his other motions. It appears there are over 600 other filings in reference to this case. It's impossible to prove he is or isn't based on a completely redacted motion.
Singleservename ago
Wouldn't a separate lawsuit to unseal brought by intervenor have a different case number?
cakeoflightylight ago
I'm not sure. It might, but when I was sued my ex sued to modify our divorce and it was the same case number for over 5 years until it got transferred to another county. Maybe it would, if he filed in a different county. But most likely he filed in the same exact court.
r3dtr1x ago
https://ecf.utd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?216mc0602-20
wow. This gives some insight into the case. It has been docketed 253 times! Here's an unredacted Judge's Decision and Order regarding the motion to quash the Subpoena of Paul Cassell.
This part explains the redaction Cernovich received
"Further complicating the situation, two cases in Florida relate to this case. Those cases, like the New York case, involve subject matter that can be inflammatory and involves criminal prosecutions. Therefore, all of these cases involve confidentiality issues and sealing orders. Judge Sweet already has knowledge of how these cases interact and the meaning of the orders in his case as well as those in the Florida cases. "
It looks weird. Cassell is a witness and at one point was the Plaintiff's attorney? I don't have time to read all of this.. but interesting.
**EDIT: HOWEVER, it is my conclusion that this may, in fact, be a new motion to quash, as evidenced by the filing date of 3/3/17. The decision I linked here is dated 6/30/16. **
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
DERSHOWITZ & CERNOVICH ARE WORKING TOGETHER!!!
https://porkinspolicyreview.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/intervenor-alan-dershowitz-memorandum-of-law-in-support-of-michael-cervnovich-motion-to-unseal.pdf
It is the VICTIM, Virginia Roberts trying to keep the documents sealed. The same victim that named DERSHOWITZ as someone she was made to have sex with. Here is the letter from Virginia's attorney that shows the relationship between Cernovich & Dershowitz:
http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernovich.pdf
equineluvr ago
Pizza and Ping Pong in Dershowitz Movie
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1692804
Azagthoth ago
KIKE FIGHT!!!!!!!
i'll concede to a hebrew hodown
Jem777 ago
Mike filed a lawsuit against Epstein actually! He is attempting to get this case opened up to the American people. This is their response. Mike is in essence suing the CIA/Dyncorp. Their response is motion to quash with redacted reasoning.
We need to support him bigly
Yates ago
He has more money than you'll ever see in your life.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Nope, you have it backwards. It is Virginia Roberts that is fighting to keep the records sealed - probably to protect a fellow victim.
http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernov
r3dtr1x ago
If he filed a new lawsuit against Epstein, and this document is pertinent to that case, it should have a different case number on it.
cakeoflightylight ago
At first I was pretty confused (I have a law degree and I'm not a licensed attorney but I have worked on Motions to Quash in the past for lawyers) because of the names, then I read to the bottom of the comments and read the history of this case. I was unaware of this before. So essentially, my WTF comment had to be revised. The Motion to Quash would effectively quash / throw out the petition or some other motion that was filed. They lost the summary judgment motion so they are having to file a motion to quash on some other grounds. There are different grounds for the court to grant each one. The fact that it was even redacted at all leads me back to my theory I've had going for a couple of days that Epstein was set up as a deep state agent to blackmail all of these politicians and that we will probably see some sort of situation where the redactions are never published, ever, for reasons of national security similar to what happened with Cathy O'Brien's attempt to get her daughter out of Tennessee CPS. But, I'm purely speculating at this point.
His implying that he needs to defend himself isn't necessarily a stretch at all. There are probably details his attorney is giving him that we are not privy to, but it sounds like he knows more than he has said. If he arranged for this lawsuit to be filed, then a motion to quash in response could pertain to him, or he could have been threatened with something that he isn't saying.
r3dtr1x ago
Correct me if I'm wrong - but what I'm seeing is a redacted motion to quash, not a redacted judge's decision/order on the the motion to quash.
Document number 657. That says alot.
cakeoflightylight ago
you're correct
Bluebirdsolitude ago
In what country are we living???
quantokitty ago
Just saw this. It doesn't look like you're being sued. Not sure where you're getting that idea. Motion to Quash seems to be pertaining to the subpoena served to Ghislaine Maxwell. Here's the text online in pdf format. It appears to be the same case number: https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2015cv07433/447706/503/0.pdf
Singleservename ago
So this pertains to Churcher not Cernovich? Now I'm confused.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
He is listed, along with Alan Dershowitz, as Intervenors (?) http://pizzagate.wiki/images/1/1c/Giuffre_v._Maxwell_SDNY_CM_ECF_Version_6.1.pdf
The way I understand this (and there was another thread a few weeks ago) is that Dershowitz & Cernovich are working together to get the original case by Virginia Roberts against Epstein unsealed even though she was a minor. I believe it is to use against Virginia - or maybe one of the Jane Doe's that are currently suing Epstein - since she also said she was made to have sex with Dershowitz.
Here is a letter from Virginia's attorney laying out the relationship between Dershowitz & Cernovich...
http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernovich.pdf
Cernovich is a "bad hombre!"
Piscina ago
Then why is Cernovich pretending to be one of the good guys? Sounds like he- along with Dershowitz--is attacking the victims of Epstein?
party1981 ago
Why is Cernovich working with Alan D., when it is pretty obvious that Alan was one of the perpetrators?
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
That's a question you would have to ask him. But I think it's pretty clear.
party1981 ago
Jesus. I liked Cernovich. I posted his stuff on facebook. This feels like such a betrayal.
Singleservename ago
An intervenor can join either side and in this context I'd have to assume Dershowitz joined the Defendant Maxwell and Cernovich the plaintiff (Virginia).
The doc nr and date don't match the doc Quantokitty and I were talking about. So this is another Motion to Quash, likely by another subpoenaed party.
I don't know whether Intervenors can be subpoenaed themselves in these cases, but whoever it is, as Intervenor in the case Cernovich and Counsel should know damn well that this has nothing to do with them being sued.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Also, Cernovich went to law school (inspired by Dershowitz btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Cernovich
You would think he would know this isn't a lawsuit :(
If anyone is part of the deep state here, it's Mike Cernovich. I mean along with Epstein, Maxwell & Dershowitz.
TomDrew87 ago
He's just trying to flog money off the general public lol
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Dershowitz & Cernovich are definitely on the same side - https://porkinspolicyreview.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/intervenor-alan-dershowitz-memorandum-of-law-in-support-of-michael-cervnovich-motion-to-unseal.pdf
And it's against the victim:
http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernovich.pdf
Yates ago
https://imgur.com/a/CpLiL
Singleservename ago
Fucking hell you are right. That Cernovich is one of THEM and this is some cruel joke on Virginia's expense. But that begs the question
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS POST STILL UP/NOT FLARED DEBUNKED?????
@Millennial_Falcon @Vindicator
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
THANK YOU!!!!
I think this is a good way to see which side everyone is on. Anyone against Virginia is against pizzagate. SHE IS THE VICTIM. SHE IS WHO WE ARE WORKING FOR.
zzvoat ago
I'm no lawyer but/and I've never been a fan of Cernovich. Wasn't sure I would post this or where so I'm tagging onto your comment.
If it is true, why not have found a lawyer that was one of us who would have done it for free
If it is true, why not file pro se (you file on your own without a lawyer involved.)
I don't like anything, whether direct or indirect that smacks of "I need more money. "
Here's all i needed to read from him. ..
"Pedophiles are afraid, and legal costs are mounting."
"I have been funding this lawsuit with help from my Patreon backers. My attorney Marc Randazza billed me at a 50% discount due to the importance of this matter.
Jeffrey Epstein is a billionaire who should be in prison for life. He bought his way out of prison, and now he’s trying to spend his way out of this case by filing costly legal papers against me.
100% of contributions will go towards the legal defense fund.
My take:
There are people on this v/ who are working one or more jobs who are really getting things done - digging deep in their free time and ask for nothing.
Put a computer camera in front of your face, sound serious and righteous and caring, repeat info you find here, on the Chans or from other youtubers, upload it to you tube, monetize it, declare yourself an "investigative journalist" over and over again, and come up with reasons. ... very possibly manufactured about why you need money. .. "It's going to the cause" and the cash flows in. Only takes about 30 minutes a day.
Frankly, I think it's a racket.
Proii_Pariah ago
Cernovich is an attorney himself. Licensed in the State of California. And, as others have said...he is quite rich from a very lucrative alimony settlement. The dude is pure ego, vanity, narcissism, and self-promotion. And that's best case. Avoid at all costs.
TomDrew87 ago
How dumb does someone have to be to believe this Cernovich clown
roundhouse1776 ago
That was my initial thought as well. He's trying to scoop up a bunch of donations. Since the whole thing is complicated legalese, most people aren't able to figure out what's going on. By the time they do, he'll already have everyone's money.
Yates ago
Cernovich is very rich, always has been. He has no need at all to beg for money. This is all very suspicious.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
He's asking for money? Fucking asshole! Did you read this? http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernovich.pdf
Singleservename ago
Well that's a depressing thought: 133 upvoats and counting. No moderation. No flares.
If true this sub is both heavily compromised and flooded with fools.
Fuck
quantokitty ago
Well, look at the Plaintiff and Defendant. Cernovich's name wasn't on there. Was he a party to this action? Did he put into have access to what Ghislaine Maxwell says if she's forced to testify? He would get a copy of affidavit if that were the case, and the testimony might be redacted because it's ongoing litigation. It's the same case number, I think. I glanced at it so I hope it saw what I think i saw. But even without finding it online, a look at the Plaintiff/Defendant does not show Epstein as the complainant or Cernovich as the defendant.
Singleservename ago
Case number matches you're spot on. No coincidence here.
Makes me wonder what this Cernovich is up to though.
quantokitty ago
I really think he got rattled. There's been a lot going on and he might of forgotten requesting records. I'm more wondering if there was a final determination, and if not, what's going on. Cernovich's attorney would definitely be able to find that out.
It's an honest mistake. It shows what pressure these guys are under.
Yates ago
Cernovich IS an attorney. I don't think this is an honest mistake.
TomDrew87 ago
Lol
quantokitty ago
He is? I don't know. I've followed him for a long time and he's been a stand up guy. Maybe sleep deprivation? He and his wife just had that baby. I don't know what to say. It does seem like he'd at least at the Plaintiff and Defendant in the case. No, wait! It has to be an honest mistake because he's blasted this all over the internet! If it turns out that this has absolutely nothing to do with him (and it appears that it doesn't and that the papers are only copies of court proceedings), then he's going to have to say that. No one would put themselves in that position. It would be better to say you're sued, not show anything, but the envelope, and never be proven wrong.
Yates ago
I don't mean to sound harsh but this pisses me off. I've been on the fence about him for a while but the incidents like this keep piling up. Clicks. It's always the clicks and numbers to him.
roundhouse1776 ago
Long before this, I've heard a lot of stuff that said not to trust Cernovich, that's he's controlled disinfo.
Yates ago
I wanted to trust him early on because he seemed on the side of gg but too much has happened. His changing ideologies and denying he said or tweeted something when the archives and screenshots exist finally made me see that he's fundamentally dishonest.
quantokitty ago
You can sound harsh if you want. If that's how you feel, it's how you feel. There could have been a little jumping the gun in there. Who knows?
Yates ago
Dershowitz was in his film "Silenced" check his timeline, they're friends. I've been following him for several years and too many odd things to trust him. I'm not law savvy but I believe many here are and this looks bad. He does not need money at all. He has bragged for years about the alimony he receives from his ex-wife, I believe it was $5000 per month, and then his book made quite a bit too. He refers cases to other lawyers and takes a third though I don't believe he passed the bar. That might have changed recently but I don't think so, I would have heard. He is more concerned with "brand" and metrics than anything and his ideology is whatever is profitable. He glommed onto the gamergate thing a couple years ago and made his name that way. Then he was alt-right, then he claimed he never was but tweets exist that prove it. he is a deleter of evidence when that evidence contradicts his stance of the day. You may see a lot of twitter accounts mocking/satirizing him and there's good reason for that. He is essentially dishonest. Above all, do not give him money. He is rich, his wife comes from money and he has a very large income at present.
Vindicator ago
What kind of pussy brags about getting 5k/mo from his ex-wife...and then writes a book called Gorilla Mindset. That, right there, tells me all I need to know.
quantokitty ago
I didn't know about the alimony. Thanks for the alimony. He definitely is concerned with brand, but I've seen him put himself out there. I just can't see him doing this publicity and posting those docs. Seems like more a mistake, but that's me.
Yates ago
Has he responded to or explained the points made in this thread?
quantokitty ago
I haven't even checked. Does he even know this is posted? He may not.
Yates ago
I just checked and people have been replying with the same info and no response. He just pointed them to an earlier article. Already on to something else. But I guess his analytics look good after all those clicks.
quantokitty ago
If he's blowing this off without acknowledging he got it wrong, it's not good. I just went to the blog and I don't see anybody pointing this out. I also see that he's still talking about raising money to fight this? Fight what? Have no idea what's going on. Very strange.
Yates ago
Look at the comments under the two tweets he made about this. Lawyers and others are in there calling him out for the discrepancies. https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/837745962445570049 https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/837748241634635776
quantokitty ago
I looked there. I see one of two vague comments ... nothing he'd understand.They look like shill comments (they're not ... but to him they look like shill comments.) He's still talking about it not being a scanning error. I can't believe no one close to him hasn't made a cal and told him to just pull those tweets and not go down this road.
Yates ago
There are plenty, you haven't looked far enough. Hundreds of replies. If he pulls those tweets now then the people who have been monitoring his other many pulled tweets will plaster pics of them onto his timeline. He knows this and will probably just let this slide.
quantokitty ago
You're missing the point. I don't have time to comb through the comments ... I'm sure someone else noticed what I did. But I'm betting he doesn't have time either or is just brushing the comments to the side as being shill posts. They're actually trying to help. I get it ... you get it ... he doesn't get it. It's why a friend needs to drag him aside and tell him to stop.
Yates ago
People HAVE tried. His ego is huge and he tends to block people and then claim they're paid trolls. Right after the mega thread on this started he tweeted that he has insider info that trolls will be false flagging him and to not believe anything they say. It happens again and again, that is what I'm trying to tell you. At what point, after seeing this play out in the same fashion, over and over, do you finally start to wonder about his integrity?
quantokitty ago
Well, you're putting a lot of weight in my opinion. My answer to all of the above is that I'll see how I feel when I find out how he ultimately deals with this. At some point, he has to realize the mistake he's made so we'll see what he does. Right now, like you and I both said, he's treating all negative opinions as troll comments. So we'll see. If in a month, he's still asking for money. Or in two months. If he is, and that blog post hasn't changed and there's no explanation and caveat added to explain, it'll be problematic. Thanks.
Singleservename ago
The Defendant is Ghislaine Maxwell and the plaintiff is Virginia Roberts (who was serially abused by Epstein). Churcher (who broke the Epstein story) was subpoenaed by Defendant, but refused to testify on grounds of reporters' privilege.
Absolutely NO connection to or even mention of Cernovich, or it must be in the ten redacted lines of this 20 page doc. Still absolutely nothing supporting his notion that he's being sued.
He mentions seeking legal counsel. Well that would have told him straight away that this has nothing to do with him. Sorry I can't see an honest mistake here.
@Vindicator this ought to be flared DEBUNKED
Vindicator ago
Did it.
quantokitty ago
It would seem to be. I think his saying he sought legal counsel was a bluff ... none of us are in positions to run to lawyers at the drop of a hat. I do think he got this one wrong.
TRUTHWARRIOR ago
Bizarre
Harpua33 ago
He is not listed as the plaintiff. No worries.
allconnected ago
There was a thread on here about how the attorney working with the victims in the epstein case filed a motion to have MC denied access to the case. http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernovich.pdf
Basically the attorney questioned MC motives and who MC is really working for? Read and see what you think.
Maybe so eone can tweet MC and ask him what his respone is to the attorney who question. his motives for getting involved in thecase
kplusk ago
Epstein is just as delusional as JP, HRC, JA & the rest of the Pedos...smh!
In this article (below), Epstein describes himself as an "armistice activist” who formed the International Peace Institute in Bahrain. According to JeffreyEpsteinuUSVI.com, he prevented orphanages from folding & used his riches to build schools in poverty-stricken areas in the Virgin Islands.."
WTF?!?
http://www.ukcolumn.org/oldforums/index.php?p=/discussion/8781/palace-scandals/p5
WotTheFook ago
It's such a shame that FAA flight plans, destinations and passenger lists can't be redacted, isn't it? He can't re-write history with legal stuff like injunctions and gagging orders. The Weiner will have already spilled the beans, if what has been rumoured is true.
Alois_sticklgruber ago
Wow, i dont see how that is legal.
Ill donate $5
sunshine702 ago
It's lawsuit season. End Times News. Seaman. Alex Jones (if you believe it), now Cernovich. A massive trolling campaign. Internet freeze outs. Messing with financial accounts and cars. Brake lines cut:
http://sgtreport.com/2017/03/state-department-employee-has-brakes-cut-for-the-second-time-what-she-knows-2/ They seem mighty rattled. Get em Sessions. Get em Mike! The awake folks are watching.
HillBoulder ago
I don't believe Alex Jones. Ever.
trite ago
Cool. Glad you told us! I was curious if you did or not!
HillBoulder ago
Who's us? I was replying to the person above you. Not you in other words. So you can take your sarcastic shit and stick it up your ass ;)
Rmm ago
I so hope you are right!!!!!!!
cdglow ago
I know the legal system is bizarre and corrupt, but this still doesn't make any sense.
How the hell can somebody possibly be served with fully redacted legal papers? Is this even technically possible outside of maybe some kind of national security type of case where the CIA might be protecting some kind of military secret?
Any lawyers here to tell us if Cernovich full of shit, or if this is in fact some kind of legitimate (((legal trick))) where you don't have to send somebody you're suing an actual complaint?
justice4kidz ago
i did research on www.pacer.gov - the entire motion to quash IS redacted on this site, as are the other documents that Cernovich filed to have UNSEALED. yes - many motions in this set are redacted, Cernovich is trying to get the defense's summary judgement UNSEALED.
LightlyToasted ago
I know it too, but it's possible, especially if you're juiced w/powerful connections.
SmilingWide ago
Bingo, CIA.
sunshine702 ago
Powerful-/high profile families can often get cases through the courts "blind". Here was a seedy extortion case that ran blind in Las Vegas, because of the "prominant business man". http://m.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/las-vegas-businessman-reports-extortion-after-tryst-stripper
cakeoflightylight ago
huh? WTF is this?
1count_du_bastarde ago
Jeff is safe - he holds all his video archives, he goes they all burn ... burn? Oh that might be the appropriate sentencing outcome for this wicked lot.
LacunaPerpetual ago
I don't trust Mike Cernovich either for that matter. He flashes the 666 hand sign too often for my liking. He's part of the photogenic bunch, that all flash the sign. I don't care that they helped Trump, but the bottom line is exposing the elite pedosadists.
LacunaPerpetual ago
I need to be more active here so I can downvote, too. Yes, beware of Mike Cernovich, Milo, the Pettibones, David Seaman, and Prosobiec. Alex Jones. They are all part of the "divide and conquer" and don't give a shit about children or SRA. I voted for Trump. But I think that will be the last time I vote.
Freemasonsrus ago
Trying to follow your reasoning. So the idea is to bring a bunch of attention to elite pedos by these people and then do what? Make money off of it? Would that be the ultimate goal? Because even if they're shills or imposters or whatever the hell, they're still bringing attention to get people into investigating it themselves. The only other situation I can see that would be relative, if even in a different context, is the Never Trump crowd of mouthpieces who had always made their money writing books and being columnist touting their CONservative politics. ie: Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Bill Krystol ect.
LacunaPerpetual ago
From David Seaman's own mind: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-seaman/what-happened-to-bitcoin_b_11410280.html
"I flew up to Canada to learn more about BitGold, and its parent Goldmoney. An entrepreneur around my age, Roy Sebag, had grown the publicly traded Goldmoney and built its popular subsidiary BitGold into a million-plus community of users transacting in verifiable, insured physical gold. We became friends and I used it as an opportunity to learn as much about the business as possible. Goldmoney had hired former PayPal Canada CEO Darrell MacMullin to helm its BitGold unit, and attracted a number of other thought leaders in the space, including Peter Schiff’s SchiffGold, which was recently acquired by Sebag’s company. The company is funded by a number of savvy financial elites including precious metals entrepreneur Eric Sprott and the legendary Soros family."
I'm very concerned about his peddling for a Soros investment. George Soros --> Hillary Clinton/Haiti-->Pizzagate
Yeah, I wonder about that lot, too. But I still will listen to Mark Levin, because I am concerned about national sovereignty, borders and the Constitution. Steve Crowder is suspect to me as well. They are the new MSM.
MostPostersAreShills ago
I initially thought this was a shill post. Turns out this post convinced me that David seaman is a zionist jew. I already knew that guy was a scheme just by his voice. I can tell by his personality that he isnt the type to be interested in pizza gate.
Bluebirdsolitude ago
I didnt even know there was a 666 hand sign. Learn something new everyday.
klondike1412 ago
wait but I thought that was the "nazi white power symbol" after Mel Gibson and pepe used it
every symbol is everything what is the world coming to
LacunaPerpetual ago
I've only known it as a something that is occultic or Satanic https://youtu.be/sHxj9X3g_sM
redditsuckz ago
Motion to Quash
Bluebirdsolitude ago
Incredible
lawfag123 ago
oy vey!!!
New_years_day ago
Wow, Go Mike! This is getting exciting!
DarkMath ago
Evidently Jeffrey Epstein hasn't read much American History. We kind of went through this the last time we had a civil war.
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln
YingYangMom ago
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who can't read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn." Alvin Toffler
HashTagFU ago
Pretty sure it's (((Alvin Toffler)))
YingYangMom ago
Yes, sorry, will edit. Not enough sleep does this to people LOL
thisHoCwilltumble ago
That quote should be in the sidebar.
Devious1 ago
Why should he of watched American history? He makes his own....
bikergang_accountant ago
"Those who value security above liberty are retards." Ben Franklin.
Don-Keyhote ago
Wut
DarkMath ago
"Wut"..........Everything you thought you knew about the American government is wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/videos
;-)
Don-Keyhote ago
Fuck him.
DarkMath ago
Wut
Don-Keyhote ago
He stated some leads previously unfamiliar to humble me, and some after humble old me, won't deny it, but if it's a limited hangout why should I be taking it as gospel.
DarkMath ago
I don't know dude. I think you're over-analyzing it.
abcdefg222 ago
This is so bizarre. Is agree with your lawyer. - "secret" trial would be unconstitutional but so is everything else going on. Will there be a court date? How can we help??
Dressage2 ago
See my reply to this. It is a sealed court case due to Plaintiff was a minor when it occurred and Court always protects a minor's info unless all parties agree not necessary.
maltespier ago
If possible people can donate to the court costs. Things are seriously starting to heat up
Blacksmith21 ago
Hit a nerve, eh?
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