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Concerning Builders: Many think that my endorsement of very specific acts, imply a full endorsement of the user as a whole. This isn't true. My intent was to highlight specific acts that stood out as courageous or constructive, not the user themselves. It didn't help that all three of these users are controversial in their own ways.

here is your "builder" @kevdude at work just a slight example.

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3260289/19018499

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Concerning Vote Manipulation Bans: I'm reversing all recent vote manipulation bans. Voat has changed and thus our process needs changed. I will not be processing further vote manipulation bans until we talk about the process as a community.

yeah you missed like 15 of them

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So how long will you hide under your rock this time?

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if you'd just focus on banning the actual spam bots (tendies & crew) and actual vote-rings that'd be 👍🏿 ...i'd even send you two of the finest black women for the whole nite. once you go 👩🏿 u never go back!

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I dont know someother dude claimed it. Ive not had a problem with you so if you say you didnt i have no proof other wise. So fuck the kikes and mossad and israel

I believe in Voat.

Also, can we all agree that Reddit is poop?

I should have never even looked at the votes on that post, but my curiosity got the best of me.

This is the part that got me concerned. It's human nature to want to know, but it's power that makes you want to do something about it. Thank you for reversing the bans.

gayg uy

my curiosity

I'm still curious what's being vote manipulated to figure out why, what the angle is, what's being pushed, from that work out the who.

Many think that my endorsement of very specific acts, imply a full endorsement of the user as a whole. This isn't true. My intent was to highlight specific acts that stood out as courageous or constructive, not the user themselves. It didn't help that all three of these users are controversial in their own ways.

THIS is a common debate fallacy. The opponent declares you adore or despise a particular person instead of sticking to debating the ideas. Thus hijacking the debate down an amareurush liar's rabbit hole, much like the jew tactic "lets agree hitler sucked so we can bash every good idea he ever had and pretend we are seeking truth and wisdom". Classic is the orange man bad NPC method of discarding a mountain of good ideas because they dont like the person.

Its truly infantile behavior. Debating the ideas and actions is where it's at.

CLASSIC EXAMPLE

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🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋

Why the downvoates?

Nice... big boy pants.

Voat is important for me. They say AA works because of the community - well Voat is my church basement meeting.

No need to back-pedal @PuttItOut. We all get curious, and, don't you think it's a good idea to see how you're trending? There are users here very skilled in code, and tech, and so forth, but you did something they did not do, and that's to actually build this website.

People that live in the internet have far different opinions than causal, long-term users, like myself. The ones that live here can come up with good ideas, but a lot is just whining. Always consider the source of your criticism(s). Some may be helpful, some probably not worth the zeros and ones they're made from.

When used properly this is a fantastic website that I, and I know a lot of others, enjoy and appreciate. There's no rules or roadmap. I think you're doing a great job. I appreciate being here.

What is all this gay shit?

ban all soapbox fags

they're gay brigaders anyway

if you want poertry

get a fuckin twitter fag

Thank you for keeping it real.

Can we add race and religion to the user registration?

When I first joined,I joined because it was a free speech platform and I was tired of getting banned on Facebook for 30 days which I must have about 2 years worth. I couldn't understand why I kept getting dow I couldn't understand why I kept getting downvoted every time I posted something on the Jews. I'm here to share very important information, not win a beauty contest. In the beginning I couldn't understand why I was not allowed to post more than I was posting because of 1 in the beginning I couldn't understand why I was not allowed to post more than I was posting because of 10ccp points. I noticed that a lot of the replies were being generated automatically and there was no real discourse or conversation. The lowbrow attack being you are just wasting time reading nonsense. I think there should be a mute option. So trolls just can't bum rush you to downvote you and limit your posting ability and the sharing of research. My reason for being here is not to get votes but to share information.

First of all, I just want to say: Respect. This was big of you.

On your three points:

Vote Manipulation - I think a lot of this ultimately comes down to alt-itis, some of which I think was a bad habit brought over from reddit, where simply posting in one wrongthink sub gets a person banned from half the website. Speaking for myself at least, that's the only legitimate reason I could envision for using alts, and typically I find the practice as a whole just a bit... cowardly, really.

The Downvote Debacle - I actually get this, having been an admin of various places big and small over the years. The temptation is always there, and power is a thing that is sometimes just too easy to use. Really, that you admitted to doing so pretty much made this one a nonissue for me at the start. I think it was mostly how it was phrased - might've actually been better to just call out a few fucks directly.

Now, yes, I ended up in the destroyer camp (literally by being subbed to it), but hopefully we've all learned that a bit of friction can at times be healthy - as long as we all remember what we're trying to accomplish at the end of the day.

RE: Builders (and badges (because this was the main thing I was critical of (since, fuck blue checkmarks)))

Right... I get what you were going for. I've done the whole "build" talk myself on occasion. If something like this does happen, imho, it needs to happen either by some broad consensus, or by blind algorithm. Either there's some kind of voting, or else it's given to the founders of the top 10% of largest subs across the entire site, for instance. Anything else is always just going to be accused of being a good-[b|g]oys club, and will just give people excuse to start arguments. Something something no more brother wars.

On poetry:

roses are red,

violets are blue,

it's okay to be white -

and to name the jew.

You need a co-owner, but i highly doubt that anyone is capable of sharing the same responsibility.

I think you should keep vote manipulation bans, just raise the bar a bit. So if there's a bit that contributes nothing other than votes it should be detected.

The new sheriff in town shot himself in the foot again it seems.

Morning @PuttItOut , i'd like to share some thought on the matter, seeing as i was one of the complainers.

Concerning Vote Manipulation Bans:

I'd just like to say that while some people really are true destroyers and should be gotten rid of, this needs to be approached carefully. Some people have committed a grave mistake of attaching them selves to their online identity and have made their online interactions a significant, if not the primary source of their social life. This is very unfortunate and destructive to society, and they shouldn't have done that, but it is what it is. When a person like this gets banned, it's a big mental blow. Probably it's even good for them, to make them snap out of it, and go back to the real world. But its something to think about, for some people its "meh, i'll just go back to reddit" or "meh, i'll just make a new alt". But for some, its a big deal. So if they are banned, it shouldn't be because some Chinese quality algorithm marked them for death. Or a badly researched dox case.

Concerning The Downvote Disclosure:

Viewing who did it was "technically" an asshole move, but lets be honest, if goats had the ability to do so, they would abuse it too. So that's not what pissed people off that much. What pissed them off was the feeling that you essentially called anyone who disagrees with you a "destroyer". Even tho that's not what you meant, a lot of people probably interpreted it that way. It also raised a concern about say.....willingness to read PM's. Because people know you technically could do that if you really wanted to.

Concerning Builders:

Everyone gave you a peace of mind about that, mostly about "playing favorites", but i will re-iterate my main complaint. Not so much that you named someone as an exemplary goat, but the fact that you picked the WORST POSSIBLE CHOICE. Consider the fact that srayzie had ultimate power in one subverse only, and what happened in that subverse?

• pre-emptive bans for jokes in other subs
• pre-emptive bans for associating with "undesirable" people in other subs
• retroactive bans for 2 month old posts within the sub
• permabans for a single shitpost

It literally doesn't get more reddit than that. The CEO of reddit would have to post here himself, to be a user more reddit user than srayzie. And then you name her actions as a standard to witch we should hold our selves to? This detail is what made people concerned. "Why is putt, the anti-redditor aligning him self with the redditest of the redditors?" I know you are probably sick of being constantly accused of "selling out", but you can't deny that this was a legit reason for people to be concerned. I never once doubted you, or the future of voat, but naming srayzie or her actions "exemplary" made me yell WHAT THE FUCK out loud.

On a side note, that whole "keeping the subverse together during years of hard times" thing? Meh, how hard is it to not quit, and ignore the "shills"? All shit that went down in the last two years between the two competing Q subs + QRV is nothing more than boomer redditor Qtards behaving like crabs in a bucket. Whichever side would have "won", it would have been braindead boomers and jew subverters BTFOing other braindead boomers and jew subverters. Not a very impressive, or useful victory.

On Poetry:

Sounds gay. Pls post links so we can judge you and laugh.

On "As I look at this mess I've created",

The thing is that you probably simply aren't in the position to "just code". Certain hard decisions need to me made from time to time, and you are the only one with the power to make changes. Its simply the nature of being the owner of anything, in this case, voat. It seems to me that you always take the time to think long and hard about anything you do, but maybe in this instance, you changed that pattern and made hasty decisions. I can understand the difficulty of that. We all get to talk hard shit here, because of free speech, meanwhile you end up having to "walk on eggshells" before you post, otherwise everyone gets mad. I can see how that sucks for you, but it's probably also, an inevitable burden that a CEO of any company, and in this case Voat, has to bear.

But i'm pretty sure that as long as you are always willing to re(anal)yze your decisions and admit a mistake, no one (normal) will ever hold a grudge. However, there will always be people who yell "sell out!!!", its another inevitable part of being "the boss".

@PeaceSeeker i am here by officially eating my words about @PuttItOut not reversing his decision.

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So

Who's the Angel?

Fuck @PuttitOut. fucking dirty niggerfaggotjewkike. I don't know the guy or have anything against him but still wanted to be part of this conversation, with nothing to really contribute, so fuck you niggerfaggotjewkike.

good to see you back man,

you fuck up man, just admit it... we all fuck up.

its called manning up to your mistakes

@freshmeat

https://youtu.be/QOBTsXBx3LY

sleep well

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I was uninvolved in the drama but watching from afar, I lost some faith in you. But this post makes me respect you more now than if you hadn't erred at all.

Heres a question and opinion for you , @PuttItOut ...

The line between a censored and uncensored social network is very very thin . Thats well known , and thats how it is everywhere ... unfortunately .

Heres the analogy : you have two guests you invite in your house . One of them is polite and well-mannered . The other is , however , a shithole member "g-immigrant" which shits into your house , leaves trash all around , and is generally very unpleasant to everyone . Including the first well-mannered guest , which after some time spent in your house , decides he cannot stand the asshole anymore , and leaves .

This is just the analogy - but you get the point . Now , Im not telling it in way - "you should censor people" ... nope . But Im telling you , youre in lose-lose position . And thats how its going to be , because some "people" are plainly idiots ... Regardless of that , VOAT is still wayyy better than some other examples , like Reddit .

Still , my views on any social network or hub is that anonymity gives a shroud ( and very often false shroud ) of "protection" in minds of people ... the irony is that I even indirectly give hints here and there who I am ( my real identity ) , and someone who is intelligent enough can easily identify me . Someone would ask me , why would you doxx yourself indirectly ? The reason is simple ... real humans arent afraid to expose themselves . If someone is truly authentic in their views and opinions - then they shouldnt be afraid of anything or anyone . But - I would understand anonimity from perspective of worker who doesnt want for his / her boss to see their views ( and this actually doesnt apply to me , because Im my own boss in my working field ) , or , a parent who wants to preserve anonimity because of his / hers family members .

Still , my point is ... "you will be damned if you do , and you will be damned if you dont" , regardless ... thats how it is . It is better actually to keep everything open as it is , because at least makes it different from other "social networks" and platforms .

As for anonimity and above "false shroud" - I can guarantee that none of us here are truly fully anonymous , thats just what people think to make them feel better ... all is always transparent in ways majority of people couldnt even imagine at the moment .

puttitout you impress me once again. not bad.

Putt, truly GOAT of goats, thanks for the change of heart. Unintended consequences are why Government needs to stay the fuck out of the free market. Make of that what you will.

Trigglypuff did nothing wrong!

Thank you, very cool!

Well, yo each their own. Voat as a platform still is live, yet the content of free speech is dead. Long live the speech.

Fagging it up, if recent comments are any indication.

Good on ya kid.

We owe a cock to Asclepius. Pay it and do not neglect to tell him it's ok to be Polish.

Thank you so much.

On Builders:

...It didn't help that all three of these users are controversial in their own ways.

You should have picked me. I’m incontrovertible.

Definitely keep posting poetry. And sometimes, step in. But maybe ask some questions before you go stomping everywhere!

I'm not so sure this is a good idea, but i don't have the full context, so I'm not going to start ranting, just yet. I suggest you provide that at the open of this upcoming discussion.

Who are you and what have you done with the putt guy? If you're under duress blink 3 times with your left eye and clench your ass sphincter.

Poor poal. They were about to become relevant.

"I'm a piece of shit for doing this". Not so hard on yourself Putt, look at the bright side of life...

I love you Putt and I love Voat, thanks for everything you do and making this a place for me to speak my mind all these years.

I love your attitude. Thank you

...and its far more autistic than the movies depict

I like poetry

Whenever people start to get too much control, whenever we really start poking at the truth, on any website, in any forum, without fail, someone or something happens that throws the entire thing into the dumpster. It never, ever fails.

this post gay

Damm it putt. You acted as is your godly right. You don't have to apologise to these losers. Voat is yours and yours and the secret second owners only.

Fuck off loser

Fuck you. <3

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I always have respect for someone who can tactfully undo a decision they've made. Good on you! You've created something wonderful, don't beat yourself up over this.

Thank you, Putt. I kept quiet during all this because it is your site so your decisions are yours to make. I've always loved the wild nature (trolls included) that Voat has.

Nice.

Good coders know the application and function of their art vs just slapping functions, variables and subroutines to generate an output. People can fuck right off if they got their pussy hurt and are crybabies, but the ones that brought it out straight shot and said this or that needs work are cool. Good to address it, nothing is a failure if you learn and improve.

Threatening mods and their families should never be considered free speech.

Thank you for being a chap.

Poem of the week! Three cheers for Putt!

You back! <3

Where did this 'downvote discussion' take place?

It's all in the timing, son. There's a time to step in and a time to back off. Pull the reins too tight and the horse'll buck. You had good people under you. You should've let 'em go through their paces.

-Col Potter : M*A*S*H 4077

You broke the first rule of dealing with leftists @puttitout . You apologized. Big mistake. These people were right to be banned. You handed the website over to shill farms. Whether this an endorsement of vote manipulation or not you have effectively endorsed it with this reversal. The original bans were not nearly comprehensive enough. It wouldn't have stopped them anyway, they were already farming new accounts, but this is full capitulation. I wish you well in the future.

As a goat that disliked what you were doing, glad to hear it. We're all faggots sometimes. Thank your for the hard work to provide a playpen.

The builder thing was pretty fucking gay though dude. Niggers.

You're a good boy.

You see...we got this guy...Puttitout. And he's the smartest man in the world. He gonna fix the ecomony, and make the plants grow.... And he gonna do it aaalllllll... in two weeks!

Thank you very much for posting this. I have to admit, you had me worrying for a while there.

This post sounds like you again, and it's good to have you back.

We've been spezzed

Yeah, stop being a cunt, faggot.

You're a good man.

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I didn't know this place was a popularity contest. I thought we were all just here to bitch.

Damage is done this place will never be the same

Honk brother!

Quit being a bunch of faggots everyone.

ahem

Sometimes you gotta eat a little crow, damn, you ate the whole flock! Respect..

thanks for helping to restore our trust in this platform

For a second, it looked like Voat won. Then @Puttitout flipped and gave the win to the screaming babies in the cinema. Gotta give credit, the redditors pulled this off, nice one.

What the fuck did I even miss in the past few days lmao

Group hug and butt slaps.

Righteous post Putt. I agree with this one, but will note that vote manipulation and shit like that should have some kind of crowd sourced tool to catch the BS. Not sure what that would be - but it should exist.

Thanks and welcome back.

STUNNING AND BRAVE

Pew pew pew, yeee-haaawwww!

And you're a queer who still dresses in your mom's clothes after cumming all over them.

I'm just waiting for your dumb stalker nigger ass to try to sneak in middle's window some night because you're clearly so obsessed with him, and for you to get goodified with a 357 or something.

I fuck my mom,.

@dial_indicator I love you

Like anyone gives a fuck when there is zero consequences save dealing with your consistency with bitching about it over and over.

Seems very odd how a mod starts some shit and then somehow you save the day each time when there is little to no consequences in saying get fucked.

Some have done that, but this latest one......

Anyways I am going to go get some pics for a site that appreciates OC and doesn’t praise those that recycle shit.

What makes you think I would emit any emotion for your benift? You are not worth a display of any emotion.

It’s obvious that you require drama since /she cake around. Then another and another and another.

Jews did 911 and all that stuff

Yes. I've been the target of a subversion campaign for two days straight, now. Because of this: https://voat.co/v/whatever/3246984

I appreciate your work on the site, but respectfully I think you shouldn't try to moderate so much. Also introducing concepts like "builder" just sounds unappealing. I don't come here to learn about voat social structure. I come here to discuss current events.

This is a great example of how to be a classy dude.

Instead of indulging your need for argument I will simply say what you are.

Needy.

You need drama since you came here all that time ago. You need conflict and strife by making false statements and then require someone to defend a position that doesn’t matter.

Admit it you feel your relevance slipping away each day this place looses more people to either Poal or Phuks. Your grip upon relevance just fades more and more each day.

You remember what I told sanegoatiswear?

I told him that eventually he would go to log into his account and no one would have replied to him. That is what will happen with you. People will just not care. Sure you can shit on another sub, but guess what?

They are getting wise to yours and others needs for drama.

For the record I said that I messaged puttitout before I left because it was obvious someone was trying to dox me and he never replied. Yet for the pussy he is quick on that.

You however need that you and us relationship because it’s what you feed on. Like a bitch. Seriously a man would never harp on about some stupid shit and something as insignificant as this site and impressing some random strangers.

It’s likely that 30% of accounts here are alts for other people.

The Jews FEAR free speech because it provides public discourse of disagreeing outlooks.

Denying free speech CREATES hate rather than eliminating it.

Keep voat alive! +Brother Nathanael

Just like the ending of a TGIF sitcom. xD

Welcome back you, I was concerned about you.

Putts, I think it’s safe to say, you took my breath away there, for a moment.

Phew... glad you’re back! Really, really...

I think you definitely need good counsel pertaining the site and I genuinely pray the FATHER positions solid trustworthy people in your life to help carry this burden. It’s not easy for anyone and we ALL fall short of the glory of GOD, but we cannot give up trying.

I pray that together we can find a way to move forward and learn how to navigate these treacherous seas that we currently sail in.

May HE bless you and keep you, may HIS face shine upon you and give you great peace!

Insert virtual hug here

Atta boy putt. Unless they are shitting this place up w CP or other things that literally break laws it's all hands off. Our own chemo will kick in.

E-THUGGIN IS MORE THAN JUST A HOBBY IS A LIFESTYLE.

i live for this shit

Thanks niggerfaggot but all effort is for Voat and Voat did great this time, I thought we were at a loss there but kept my faith strong in the Lord knowing that truth would prevail.

I'm just curious. Are you the type of guy who when you see a wasp nest, you feel an irresistable urge to poke it with a stick? You certainly provided entertainment for a few days. Lol.

Soon as this tornado shit moves away I will deal with you.

The goal should be to preserve the platform. Banning people manipulating the platform ins't a big deal.

I didn't anything you said and I'm ignoring this post. BLAH BLAH BLAH CAN'T HEAR YOU FUCKERRRRRRRRR

Your the mutherfuckin man PUTT...on builders-was obvious but to only a few dummy’s.but it led to some GREAT submissions so ya.WOOOHOOO!

There are goblins afoot.

gettin’ jiggy widit https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_zXKtfKnfT8#

Gotta say I'm impressed. Ive been sort of following this discussion, didnt really feel qualified to contribute since ive only been here as a commenter for a few months, and a lot of what was happening didnt affect me per se, but your ability to self reflect and be humble is an example for all of us.

Dab whip nae nae

Never apologize for doing what you think is right. Your enemies will just take it as a sign of weakness, and it accomplishes nothing.

You've done an amazingly good thing keeping Voat going in the face of so much hatred and opposition. When Voat finally falls -- as it must eventually, because too many people want it destroyed -- you can hold your head high, and know that you stood for free expression in a world of lies and censorship.

Well putt put-er! I mean well put Putt. Work with Us, We'll work with You. I'll even admit to being a salty sack of rat shit... Even though that would surprise absolutely no one.

My gripe was a combination of the ominous builders/destroyers thing, the statement about protecting those You deem to be builders while punishing those You consider destroyers, and You admitting to seeing You were being downvoted, looked at the voters, and declared most of them to be "destroyers", which set a very clear message that anyone who questions You gets the boot. Finishing all of that up with the "You should just leave voat if You don't like it post" was the cherry on the shit sundae. Surely You can see how those events in that order would set alarms off?

The automated punishment system thing was pretty lousy too.

Just don't beat around the bush next time. If You're about to clean house, just say "sup fags, I'm rolling out some new anti-spammer/manipulations shit soon, thing's may get fucky", and We'll understand. Want to recognize those who've contributed to the site the most? Again, just say so: "Hey, I'm awarding some new badges for those of You who've gone above and beyond generating content for this place, My way of saying thanks", And We'll get it. Do not go full-cryptic and leave it up to Our imaginations as to who's ass is about to get thrown into the ole' easy bake ovens.

Getting downvoted on something You posted? Either just deal with it, call Us a bunch of fags with sand in Our collective vaginas, or if You must, go ahead and have a look at who's downvoting You, but for the love of God DO NOT label You critics "destroyers".

As for vote manipulations and punishment, I see no problem with automating a system to alert You to possible abuses, maybe even an automated system to temporarily restrict a user's abilities, until You could look into the situation could be acceptable. But ultimately, bans/administrative actions must come from a live human. Anything less is fucking Zuckerberg/Google-tier.

Thanks for being straightforward here about this.

How can you be a dictator with this "community" bullshit sympathy? Kum ba yah faggot. It's still your website, right?

Love ya putt. No harm no foul.

You nigger can be proud of yourself. Most faggots don't have the balls to self reflect and put their own ego under that of their community. Huge respect for doing it, because if I were in your position I would have already power tripped and ruined voat. Glad you're a wise philosopher leader.

When the time is right, we will find each-other. If not you, then you in spirit.

Thank you

Dear admin PuttlOut, "admirable" is the word that comes to mind. I'm a goat (I am guessing) well outside the 68% of the goats here. Older, woman. When I first came to goat, I thought I would not stay long. My wittle little feelings got hurt sometimes. Then I discovered how great it felt to say "FUCK IT" and move one. It' s been almost 2 yrs and I love the Wild West. Thank you faggot for your courage.

Welcome back!

and to promise if they ever happen again, I'll permaban myself as punishment.

PuttItOut is dead, long live PuttItOut2!

THANK YOU @PuttItOut.

Thank you for putting the healing corner stone for Voat. I fucking love Voat and waking up and seeing all of this renew my feelings for this site. Heck my wife tells me all the time that I am obsessed with Voat, but she doesn't understand yet the importance of a site like this one.

When I told her that everything finally worked out she was really happy to see me ecstatic. Thank you for heeding Objectivity before all.

God bless and the invitation to Costa Rica is still open!

Thank you again!

Here - https://files.catbox.moe/gsawxz.PNG

I'd have given it to you sooner, but I've been using it all weekend.

Thanks for the tears, faggot.

Cool. Still going to help me reload .30 cal when the world ends?

I think your general way of thinking would be greatly appreciated on the discussion involving voting transparency. If you're willing to read some of the feedback from the community and give your honest opinion on it all, I think it would be valuable.

Weakness is pathetic on everyone.

Look at everyone being nice to each other! I must be on the wrong voat!

Yay.

Do you even remember when you weren't a right wing lying cuck, putitout?

PuttItOut is former DJ admin Kim Jong Un of FunnyJunk circa 2012

@rompom 1990

agreed

if u aint willing to lose it all then aint worthy to have a say

Don't be so hard on yourself, I didn't agree with the bans and I still think you've done a better job here than anyone else could. Certainly me.

No reason to pull a Jussie Smollette.

Thanks for your dedication and patience for all our whiney faggotry.

if voat loses the q subs it would be good for the site

I went camping for a few days, totally disconnected from whatever all this drama is. So I have no idea what's really going on. And I don't care either. I'm just glad Voat was still here when I got back.

That being said, I wish I could find a happy medium for shit posts, funny stuff, and news I actually care about. Some people here are just so fucking angry all the time.

Seeing how Putt and I banned people for different reasons the answer is "no".

You keep database access limited for a reason. We know that you have access to the votes, and I expect you to use whatever means at your disposal to protect honest voaters from cheating. Including understanding how users are really exploiting your website, which includes the votes. It was probably bad taste to advertise it, but people are fools for being surprised, or cheaters are concerned about getting caught. Do not limit yourself from understanding what kind of problem that you are dealing with.

The main concern that I have is that you do what other software developers have done, sell out your control and manipulate the community for inorganic growth, such as abandoning free speech. You can have friendly, or honesty. Do not ever expect both. The market for friendly is saturated and the market for honesty is a growth opportunity. But you were right to fight inorganic behavior. Keep users honest. Keep working on that ban algorithm. But think about ways to make their inorganic behavior more transparent to us, so we can take some of the work off of you.

My other concern is burnout. Write tools to offload your work. The QRV solution should never have been to change the owners. Maybe create some site-wide janitors, and let owners ban side-wide janitors if they do not fulfill their duties accurately. Also, I know that to prevent people from voting more than once, anon subs are not truly anon to you, so you could find those who posted porn if you wanted too. You probably already do, which may have been part of the motivation for the destroyers comment. If those people moved to Poal, they would not be missed. Spamming is not free speech.

Now instead of being a faggot you are being our faggot. # to you brother

This is why I adore you, Putt.

So we can create multiple accounts and vote brigade? That means absolute shit is going to be pushed to the top, and better posts pushed down. This is weak and soy.

Ah... Does that make me your huckleberry?

Gina Haspel and Eddie Haskell send regards.

Srayzie is a piece of shit. We will never forget.

Hey, I miss ya, faggot! I would love to go back to trigglypuffs arms flailing and everyone laughing at that bitch.

A faggot makes mistakes, a real man owns up to them and learns from them. Glad you're not a faggot.

Why is it we even have a score system? It's just something to be gamed or exploited and ultimately ends in censorship.

Please more vogon poetry.

Free speech is important; an enormous amount of corruption has been uncovered. Fake polls, fake investigation, a practical coup, attempts to pull US into war in Syria and Iran, the EU MPs purchased by Soros, etc.

Damn Putt. I love you at our helm. Even when you slip you collect yourself with grace and dignity. You're a real leader man.

There was a little too much Putt worship going on anyways. Were all human, hopefully this can take somewhat of a burden off. It's okay to mess up. Apology accepted. I would apologize myself, but I didn't join in this time. You've earned my patience.

Now kith

expose and drive GA off the site?

See this is why I like you.

It takes a lot of courage to own up to one's faggotry.

You know it's okay to tell us to fuck off and sort ourselves out right? Just like you give us space to manage our subverses well and thrive, you also have to give us space to manage our subverses poorly and learn from our mistakes just as you did.

Better to be a goat than a scapegoat.

Ill suck your cock anytime.

Sweet, time for Makeup Sex!...BEND OVER.

lol hand grubbing intensifies

I'm a piece of shit for doing this. I should have never even looked at the votes on that post, but my curiosity got the best of me. Posting about it was equally shitty. I can not provide any justification for my actions other than to admit they were wrong and amateurish and to promise if they ever happen again, I'll permaban myself as punishment. And OP will deliver.

link plz

It takes a big guy to admit they're wrong.

Thanks for reviewing the ban process.

Well I'll be dipped.

This should quash any "VOAT IZ UH HONEE PAHT" theories. Thank you for seeing the light and listening to the community. Poal can continue to lurk in envy.

Putt, I am glad you are capable of self reflection and admit when you are wrong.

We are a crazy group of assholes. Like hornets on cocaine. Once the nest is poked, we sting anything that moves, and sometimes each other.

I am glad you are still here, buddy.

Holy shit Putt, thanks for providing how worthy you are to rule. Voat has been wild this weekend.

My only suggestion on the poetry - we need more W.B. Yeats.

Thank you. Don't do it again. Be fair. Talk to us.

HERE WE GO,

OH MAN YOURE DEFINITELY A TRANNY NOW

What is and isn't considered doxing is something that needs to be clarified. It's a huge gray area and it absolutely needs to be addressed.

Is it acceptable for people to go full reddit-tier, superfaggot mode and create a subverse like v/SRSusername? To which they can then post whatever images and information that can be scrounged up on google about someone's identity? Pictures of their kids? Pictures of places of business? Where is the line? What if it is something that person posted on Voat themselves?

These are questions that need answers.

Told you boss that all you gotta do is just interact with people.

Someone on Poal said

To know who rules over you find out who it is you can’t criticize.

That shit stuck with me through all this shit storm. It should with you as well going forward. You do you either way boss.

I got tornadoes coming again in Oklahoma so wish us luck.

I have no idea what contitutes vote manipulation. I haven't been banned for it, so I assume I haven't done it.

My guess is that it would be going into someone profile & downvoting everything they say, and/or getting a crowd of people or bots to down vote in mass a single issues, message or person, or set of messages.

This is one of the most incredible things I've ever witnessed. I applaud you, Great NiggerFaggot In The Cloud.

Thank you @PuttItOut You're a big man!

YEEHAW!

https://youtu.be/MxriVnyPkRg

This place is pretty fucking entertaining. You niggers are a bit of all right. Jews control money and media. Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Voat is the last Wild Wild West website online.

Thank you for remember this.

we're gonna need a bigger voat

I'll permaban myself as punishment.

pls no do this

I probably would've pissed the community off way harder a long time ago in your position.

Hey Putt, do you have any current LEO officials that you know of that work with data from VOAT? From the attacks with images or DDOS, PedoGate, etc they have every reason to have a direct line to you.

I mean at this point we all should know nothing you do on the internet is only anonymous to a point. We all know reddit is a social grooming site where loyalists and paid actors monitor conversations in the shadows. Sure that is a reason why a lot of us are here, because we enjoy the Wild West or at least a place where a small, violent minority group doesn't police conversations like it is 1984

You wouldn't know free speech if it punched you in your gay faggot face. You have done nothing but promote and use censorship since day one. Get rid of the gay karma censorship system or shut the fuck up jewfag.

@PuttItOut MERCH STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed you good buddy

So are you saying that you have been being a destroyer?

Concerning The Downvote Disclosure

What is this?

@PuttItOut, could you please add a sentence or two what is regarded as doxxing here on Voat - I think everybody is confused now. I think it woud help tremendously if the community knew what constitutes 'doxxing' here on Voat.

Since @Trigglypuff was banned for doxxing, not for vote mainipulation.

Thank you! :-)

So the piece of shit @zyklon_b who keeps making death threats against mod's children (including mine), doxxed his girlfriend (with the info he posted its really easy to find her identity), and posting pictures of another voater (@JEM777) gets a free pass to keep on with his fuckery?

I'm disgusted with voat right now!

You were merely reacting in kind.

You're a good man, Putt.

people who I don't always get along with but would like to improve relations with because I think someday we can set aside our differences and become friends!

The fact that you'd make that message satirically when it's pretty obvious you and your faggot posse only care about attention is quite amusing.

Thanks for the update Putt. I have to say, I didn't like the tenor or direction you seemed to be looking in the post regarding vote manipulation. Thanks for seeing clearly and adjusting course accordingly. I'll continue supporting voat as long as sanity reigns and the admins are held accountable in allowing all viewpoints, no matter how shitty or popular they are.

Keep truckin you enormous faggit whom I respect greatly.

Can somebody please reban @thebuddah he banned me from fucking soapboxbammer what kindof austic fuckin rules must I follow

https://i.imgtc.ws/dGH88Hi.jpg

Dumb tranny

Can you make everyone's name display as a SaneGoat alt? Just for a day or two.

u want me attack em?

Hey, we're like ban brothers now.

Roses are red violets are blue Builders are gay and destroyers are too.

Hey I wasn't here the past few days, I don't know what happened, but I love you and I'm glad you saw the error of your ways. We are all here for each other, for free speech and truth. Thank you for doing your best.

I'll probably still continue posting poetry on Voat.

Appreciated. :-)

https://i.imgtc.ws/iKDk0vX.jpg

I really think a "Goat Audit" bot could do a lot. Make it so every time someone posts, the bot comments with their information. We could upvote it's to the top so that goats who don't look up user history will have it put up right on the screen.

Until then, it's worth it to take a quick glance at profiles that make questionable posts.

Welcome back. We are all watching this site like a hawk. It truly is one of the last free places online for speech.

Stuff your sorries in your sack.

https://i.imgtc.ws/iKDk0vX.jpg

Sticks and stones
May break some bones
But my dick can shatter diamonds.

If it wasn't for Free Speech and you guys telling me I'm a faggot, I wouldn't have seen this.

Pretty funny

Yeah putt, we love voat because of the freedom over and beyond everything else here. Without that, most of us will look to go somewhere else. Obviously most of us don't really mind wading through the shit to get what we want, and I'd have to think that most of the regular users here are used to ignoring the shit anyways.

It's good to hear you haven't gone mad with power (at least not completely, we're all a little mad around here).

Hey @puttitout, you want to check who's downvoating Triggs and let us know ? :D

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=4DdiJAPA7ag

Puttitout , examining data

Happy days.

AND WE WON AGAIN

I'M FREEEE!!!! Thanks putt. And I get to keep my cool badge, right :)

Apology Accepted...

...Captin Needa.

Oh hush now.

Said the outlaw from the private JIDF branch.

Good show old bean

Sorry for being a cunt.

people do that. its not the worst thing you can be responsible for!

Thanks for the update, I'm glad you changed your mind, I was worried that you had become a controlling admin who wants to control the culture and content of the community. That's what separated Voat from the rest of the Reddit alternatives.

I think there needs to be a serious discussion on how we can prevent a tyrannical admin/mod teams, otherwise what's stopping Voat from becoming another Reddit or 4chan?

Right now there's a way to request a subverse, but the requests are barely looked at by the admins, probably because you said 4 months ago that you plan to change how subverse transfers work, can we get an update on that?

Test

This lefty thanks you for your efforts putt... You benefit the whole.

I think there is a way we can protect Voat while staying true to its principles.

For that, we need to figure out a new way of doing things visa vee brigading... Just applying already existing models that twats have already figured out how to manipulate is a non starter.

Figuring out a system that does that, is a creative project, that we can't expect you to take on.

I'd be well up for working collaboratively with others to crack this nut. Let me know who you are guys, we can figure this out...

Putt writes poetry? TIL

We still love you. Being a site admin is a pain in the ass, especially with the special brand of autism here on Voat.... Voatism, if you will.

I dunno what all this is about but buy that guitar Putt.

LEAD OUR TROLLARMY. THATS Y U UNBENNED

I think he wants you to say "You're welcome, faggot."

Thanks, Putt.

Putt is turning into Ivan the Terrible, schizophrenia and reversing course, and all!

I should have never even looked at the votes on that post, but my curiosity got the best of me.

I can understand that. If, say, there was an exploit that allowed users to see who downvoted their posts or latest submission without repercussions I suspect many would take a peek...

Posting about it was equally shitty.

That's the part I don't understand. It can already be annoying if someone complains about downvotes on their submission on it's own. But it's worse if that someone violates your privacy in the process and talks about banning some of them.

Furthermore labeling people who downvoated you will just make people wonder if you're biased against them.

Categorizing users between builders and destroyers is more destructive to your own site than anyone you could label as a destroyer. Between the warnings and bans of users without alts or brigading for vote manipulation and the downvote disclosure, you unintentionally created a chilling effect that made users self censor. A rush job in building results in shoddy craftsmanship that requires much more work to fix than deliberate labor that anticipates potential issues ahead.

Concerning Builders:

your builders want nothing more to ban me inculding @virge & @kevdude

this whole post was writing @vige under the name of @puttitout

look @virge comment history... this is not @puttitout

for one, putt never uses bold GASP!!!

https://youtu.be/-xaUfpxyz1A

-dial_indicator

ya know, this eases my mind some. reconsidering ones actions is a good, rational habit. being a rational person is why i generally support ya!

i certainly cant blame someone for making mistakes. i continue to make them, in spite of having so many in my past that ive learned from.

looks a lot like poor communication kills again, as well. it produced more suspicion than was merited. not that being suspicious is a bad thing.

i think im genuinely impressed/pleased with this outcome.

We're a bad will Smith movie?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=53hMYw8LX60&t=13s

>"wild west"

>still using downvote meanie

Haha what a fun week @puttItOut I gotta say

All is well that ends well and voat continues to keep on thanks to you

we won!!+

I salute you Put

Well I think I'm done then. Seems to me that yet another Soapbox narrative push / brigade has been successful and I've spent the last three and a bit years watching them attempt to burn this place. I guess they win.

There's a difference between the wild west and simply allowing the kikes to subvert the place. There's a big fucking difference.

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okay @virge

Apology accepted. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have been here long enough to know that it was unlikely you meant any of that the way it came off.

And yes, that is precisely why we need free speech. Nail on the head, there.

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I have no idea about the rest but I really like the builder/destroyer dichotomy and want to see it continued. We desperately need more builders and fewer destroyers.

Will this include the bans from 3 months ago? Because those were bullshit too.

Can I be Billy the Kid?

You rock @PuttItOut. Not a lot of people are able to admit their mistakes, let alone publicly, and to correct those mistakes. My faith in you is renewed.

Welcome back!

Putt. Thank you for owning your mistakes. That is rare in today's world.

ROSES ARE RED VIOLETS ARE BLUE @PUTTITOUT UNBANNED MANY AND SHOULD UNBAN @TRIGGLYPUFF TOO

#

It takes a lot to self-reflect, admit faults, and correct them. Well done.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You're pretty much the best niggerfaggot of them all, @PuttItOut. I appreciate what you do, and shit like this post just reinforces it. It takes balls to admit when you were a retard. Ein Prosit, freund!

Do we still get badges? We likes badges. I don't even need a builder or destroyer badge. A standard niggerfaggot badge would be just fine by me.

But anyway, good on you for admitting where you made mistakes. I still think some of those people deserved it, but whatever. Good on you anyway.

The power of the cabal !

Just know that most outrage is fake, unwarranted or both.

All hail the glorious king niggerfaggot!

Im not so sure that voat is the "wild west" of the internet. since most of the content here is completely rational.

No i'd say we're more of a Hidden grove of thought, untouched or destroyed by the constant pressure that has ruined everyone else.

JEWS DID 9/11

NIGGER

Not so much the wild west, instead a group of outlaws hiding from the inevitable destruction at the hands of an ever increasing government.

Nbd

You are welcome

The old adage "if it works don't fix it" then. As an old user I just have become immune to drama around here, and just post what I want and ignore the shit. Fuck it. Don't care.