In 4chan-ish speak (or whatever)
Be me
Working. Look at clock, damn gotta run
Get up, about to leave, forgot I have to run vote manipulation bans
It's fine, they are ready to run, won't take long
Get first batch setup, double check it, looks good, execute the code
Get second batch setup, double check it, wait, a parameter is off
Think to myself, hmmmm, what was that parameter set to in the first batch?
Go look at the first batch again, parameter is wrong, interesting.
I wonder what that did.
Go look, yeah, banned a bunch of people I shouldn't have.
I'm going to be so late now.
No code to unban people, have to write it real quick.
15 minutes later, ready to go, execute code, great, everyone was unbanned. Feel like superman.
Finish rest of bans
Leave 45 minutes after I should have
Sometime later, check Voat on phone, make sure it's not down (you know, we have a thing with that).
Have 20 triilion unread messages. Oh no. What now.
Voat is going full rage goat about bans.
Try to answer as many messages as possible. It's a warzone. Usually is after every round though, so expected
Check Voat again later, saw ping in a random submission
It said a long time goat was banned. That's weird.
Started thinking how did that goat get banned?
Why would they be farming? They can't be downvoting can they?
Recall that Dan guy got banned on Reddit for up farming. Definitely possible.
Maybe power users are into that kind of thing?
Think to myself, Voat is weird.
Sometime later, still curious, log on computer, bring up ban data
Wait a second, that goat was in batch 1
I'll fix that. Fixed.
Look over it once again, find two more
Fix them.
Check a few users who've messaged. They still got served the ban hammer. Lol a little
Think we are good now.
Still thinking about what the goats said in the warzone thread
One user said we should have an appeal process
Process we use now is old as hell
Coded to kill farms with no mercy
Written for survival during the sanegoat days
That was years ago. Reminisce what is was like for a minute. Damn I'm getting old.
Yeah, maybe we should update this
So, that was how the bans went down from my side. Thought it was entertaining enough to break the ice for what follows:
I can't allow manipulation, in any way. If the votes aren't true, I can't put my name on it. Manipulation of votes was why I left Reddit in the first place. I take it seriously. I also need to define what we look for without giving away our playbook (I have to think about this a bit).
I'll double check vote manipulation bans, that is totally reasonable. I hate banning people for manipulation, so if a ban wasn't right, I'll fix it.
Conclusion:
We are going to have to add an appeal process for vote manipulation.
You guys have better ideas anyways, so how should we do this? What should the process be?
Let's just design it from scratch. And while we are at it… should subverse bans be appealable? Do we need to write new code for this?
Suppose we can just use PMs though.
Let's make it better.
Someone told me Voat loves stickies.
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heygeorge ago
The admin shouldn’t really be diving into what subverses do unless they are owned by the admin or their size makes them an integral part of the site.
Pls fix stickies
Yes. We need more clarity on what vote manipulation actually is. But probably should kill farms without mercy no matter. People get worked up about unimportant things sometimes. I’ve already seen much butthrt about the warning messages. How important really is your Voat account name? If I’m not mistaken, manipulators are still able to log in to their accounts, correct? Just not post or comment or PM. Maybe that’s not true. I assume in that case they also lose the ability to wipe their histories? To borrow a popular term, that seems problematic.
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RM-Goetbbels ago
Okay. Delete your account. I've done it when someone asked me the exact same thing. I'll show you right after you do it, on my word.
Put your money where your mouth is. DO IT. I'll wait.
(I don't disagree with your statement, I just don't think you'll do it. But again, I HAVE when challenged.)
heygeorge ago
You’ll show me what?
RM-Goetbbels ago
That I agree with you, points don't matter and that I have deleted an account when someone said I wasn't being honest.
Just like you just did. Well, I didn't make such a big prologue about it but all the same..........
I like you and I agree totally with your sentiment right up until where you say intanetz poyntz don' matter. You see, I know they don't matter to me because I've deleted an account out of the blue when asked. Because I have integrity.
You can't say something like that and not follow through.
heygeorge ago
Did. Kill yourself @gabara am I doing this right
RM-Goetbbels ago
No you didn't, you're still commenting.
I GUESS VOAT ACCOUNT NAMES REALLY ARE THAT IMPORTANT.
heygeorge ago
Shit, you’re right, brb deleting faceva k
gabara ago
Tallest_kill/10! Bravo!
Hand_of_Node ago
An attack on my account name is an attack on me.
heygeorge ago
Sounds pretty gay if you ask me. @zyklon_b is this gay?
zyklon_b ago
@hand_of_node are u fucking retarded? ALL this is virtual and just escapism. chill the fuck out and not be taken shit serious .. ALL YALL gotta remembsr this is voat n especially muh old frands . take a chill and watch the (((plan))) deztroy itself cause of dat kuntz ego.
Hand_of_Node ago
Sometimes I wonder. lol Then I remember that clip where the guy walks over to look in his mirror, and sees he IS a retard.
european ago
I wonder about @joe_mccarthy he seemed to be something of a builder , having maintained occidentalenclave for a long time.
ConquistadorCoronado ago
Is he still banned?
heygeorge ago
I think the same of Joe. I’ve heard of people claiming multiple users and various other things for years now. That being said, I interacted with him many times and there was never a change in tone that I detected.
Of course, if he was manipulating votes, I suppose that’s enough.
Thisismyvoatusername ago
Trying to infer his ban, I thought it might have been that @Kattie was an alt and was used to upvote Joe. I used to try to upvote him mostly because I thought he added good content, was reasonable to talk to and had a bunch of people who would downvote him just to be assholes because jews or some shit. I'm a little bummed about his ban.
heygeorge ago
Likewise, I UV’d Joe all the time. And I also made the same inference.