IIRC, he took sides with the RIPJem guy (please correct me if I'm wrong, @jangles, might not remember this correctly), but later said @srayzie's stance had some merit.
With Regards to Jenny Moore, her inability to differentiate BS from well presented information lead her to make bold claims without any merit. This was used to discredit her in anyway possible as she use to work as a police officer in CA and was involved in whistle-blowing against her supervisors. Fucking absurd mods attack her as they did, no the bad information she was re posting.
It is fucking absurd how the mods attacked her as they did, not the bad information she was re posting.
With Regards to Jenny Moore, her inability to differentiate BS from well presented information lead her to make bold claims without any merit.
What the everloving fuck were mods supposed to do? When a user continually posts bad shit, the user shows itself to be a bad user. Mods have to deal with bad users, do they not? We have user-decided rules here that mods are empowered to enforce - by the users. If they don't deal with problem users, what good are they?
You acted like you understood what I was trying to say. Now you’re back to thinking I was attacking her? I documented dishonesty and changing stories when confronted. I documented her lying about how her trip to Comey Ping Pong went, and her changing story as things unfolded. To then sympathizing and defending Alefantis.
I admit that the time of posting was bad. I felt pressured by others, who knew what I knew, feeling like I need to say something. That people could decide for themselves. I didn’t know her death was being questioned until that night.
If people want to paint me as someone who just wanted to paint her in a bad light, then that’s bullshit.
It is fucking absurd how the mods attacked her as they did
I signed up one month before Jem777 was banned. But I read most of her stuff since I was a longtime lurker before.
She always mixed valid info with info that wasn't accurate imo.
I am not sure to which mods you are referring to, @jangles. I am not aware how MF interacted with her. But I do know that @Vindicator really tried to help her with her posts, since she really posted stuff that wouldn't adhere to the rules.
During the recent discussion about Jem777, I looked at the old threads, and saw what @Vindicator did to help her.
I'm afraid she was rightly banned. It was highly unfair to attack @Vindicator for having banned her the way some users did one or two months ago. (Not implying you did, I don't remember your comments in these threads.)
Whatever else you might think about her, she clearly provoked getting banned. And she even came back with an alt. She could have continued using this alt, but she choose not to.
A real whistle blower. Contributor to v/pizzagate . Dead in her DE hotel while investigating Bill Clinton. All are FACTS.
@Jem777@mej777 was mislead and made bad claims and reposed bad info sometimes. I do appreciate the assistance from @vindicator . There have been great mods here before @crensch
my favorite was @l4l1lul3l0 followed by @Vindicator - The metal heads kevdude - putitout and you are good people. Maybe a bit frank and fedup with the bs.
@Jem777@mej777 was mislead and made bad claims and reposed bad info sometimes.
Jangles, I don't necessarily disagree with you about Jem. She was either a deliberate party to a psyop, or a well-manipulated tool. It's very hard to tell which.
But that is exactly why this thread, and the research @Crensch, @think-, @Eric_Kaliberhall and I have done into Esoteric since the report of her death is so important. If you look back into old threads, you will see Esoteric and his alts seriously gaslighting Jem. He is all over her threads. God only knows what he was saying to her in private. He has groomed multiple users privately (including me and think-).
Coincidentally, here he claims to have been tortured with direct energy weapons. And here he claims to have been sodomized as a kid. But here, he viciously attacks another user and then two months later tries to use my response as evidence I'm a bad mod -- using deceitful tactics and quoting me out of context. He also posted fake Q and attempted to blame srayzie for it.
This thread clearly shows he uses sock puppets to manufacture consensus and upvote himself and his alts.
Does all that sound like the behavior of someone of good will who is here because he wants to stop elite child rapists? Or someone who is here to manipulate people like Jem, Gothamgirl and others?
Weigh the evidence. Don't leap to the conclusion that Crensch is wrong or has ill intent because he uses bad language.
I don't think I've credited you all enough so far; I'm not sure I mentioned who else did the work at all. Apologies for that. Each of you have really shown your strengths throughout this, and I'm proud as fuck of you all.
Thank you for chiming in. She likely victim and easily-manipulated tool due to manic approach to her situation. I appreciate your insight into Esoteric and believe that there is a direct relationship to the interests here in gaslighting and Jenny's efforts to bring down Andrew McCabe an Bill Clinton.
WE REALLY need to WATCH for these things. I do believe @Crensch has good intentions here and helps a lot, I am beginning to understand what has been going on with regards to this matter.
A well meaning goat, @jem777 , is dead. It is suspect and I am trying to help understand why my friend is dead. Essoteric is no friend of mine and I didn't realize how much gaslighting and subversive shit they have been up to. Crensch's approach to this is demeaning and does not highlight the gas-lighting and manipulations, really just the alts and brigades.
@ESOTERICshade - Defend your position or lose whatever respect you may have remaining from any of the goats here.
I am really beginning to believe her demise had nothing to do with her time here on voat. Yet she still was part of this community. I just want people to understand who she was and what she was doing.
From what I know about her she was on opiate painkillers and she really relied on them due to plates in her spine. Those can cause bad withdrawal which can cause seizures and that can cause death if severe enough. According to what I heard she withdrew from those a month prior to her death or so, and it MAY have been from a protracted withdrawal. A lot of people do not understand what that is. But if you've been on any mind altering drug or pain killer for a long period of time, protracted withdrawal can cause death.
I am really beginning to believe her demise had nothing to do with her time here on voat. Yet she still was part of this community. I just want people to understand who she was and what she was doing.
I spoke to her several times by PM a long time ago. She was really interested in trying to understand world history. I taught her about the Caananites, some Middle East history, and she was fascinated by it all. She seemed very driven, and like the rest of us, struggling to understand this crazy world.
regardless of it all, if people are as transparent as possible here on voat, we will likely realize the insignificant role that we have until we present ourselves as publicly as possible.
Yes, it does. You made 8 submissions in the last 8 months.
In one of your first posts, you cautioned us not to talk about SRA, although you later claimed you are a SRA survivor - well, that's just part of your 'story'.
'I also suggest reserachers stay away from terminology such as "Satanic Ritual Abuse", and "Ritual Abuse", and "Conspiracy" because it does not fit the normie perception of reality.'
'I also suggest that people stop harping on Jews, Rothschilds, Satanism, and these nebulous monolithic entities that we know exists but does not exist for the normies'
Now the Rothschilds and Satanism are essential for our research. Why would someone want to suppress talking about them? Oh, wait a minute..... /s
I never came across a SRA survivor here that demanded that people should stop speaking about SRA and satanism. Never. Quite to the contrary: They can't wait to get the story out that there is ritual abuse, and satanic ritual abuse, and would like to spread the word about it.
Also, you said in the same post that Pizzagaters shouldn't invest companies that used suspicious symbols like spirals, or had suspicious Instagrams.
'I think the Pizzagate community, while well meaning, is making a mistake by hanging on the flashy bells and whistles of Pizzagate such as Instagram accounts with crazy pictures, pointing out every business they find with swirls and triangles in their logos, jewelry and trinkets associated with these networks, etc...'
We would have never had looked into Alefantis' CCP or Voodoo Doughnut if we had followed your advice.
And would have never looked into Rachel Chandler's model agency, incidentally the most shillish time on v/pizzagate ever. Shills seemed desperate to bury the topic at the time.
TL;DR: If I were you, I would be embarassed to refer to your submission history.
Shame on you for what you did, EsotericShade. Shame on you.
Crensch's approach to this is demeaning and does not highlight the gas-lighting and manipulations, really just the alts and brigades.
I have every intention of continuing on as I have. I had no reason to highlight gaslighting and manipulations since anyone taking even a cursory glance at the proven alt usernames could have come to the conclusion that those things were absolutely happening.
Defend your position or lose whatever respect you may have remaining from any of the goats here.
He won't. And he'll seem to conveniently forget about it, too. Guess what kind of people do that, jangles?
Thanks. My intention here is not to discredit or demean. People getting called out for being alts with crensch style, provides a disservice for this community. Unfortunately that nazi thug is intelligent and has clear intentions for Jews. This is not someone you want as a FRONT MAN.
that nazi thug is intelligent and has clear intentions for Jews. This is not someone you want as a FRONT MAN
Esoteric has just as much scorn for Jews as Crensch, only he uses doesn't say "Kike". He goes on and on about "Zionists", "Talmudic priests", "Israel" and "Mossad". He does it on his main account, as well as his alts.
That's not even counting the spew that comes out of his Donkey/auralsects alts.
I decided to read through this thread. That is just silly. You have insinuated that I am a child pornographer, the Donkey, a shill, and a lot of things.
Re 1) please see my comment above. He was right in calling the users out. I looked into Esoteric's comment history, and I also saw that the users in question here upvoat brigaded, which is not allowed. They even admitted it in the end.
2) @Crensch has, together with @kevdude, saved the v/pizzagate sub when it got attacked by old Goats. This is why he is an O. He is here to protect the sub against shill attacks, and Esoteric definitely is some kind of shill, very likely a paid deepstate shill. Otherwise he wouldn't have invested this much time and energy.
If you don't like @Crensch and/or don't like his wording when he calls out people, that's fine - you also don't have to like me, or like me being a mod, I would accept that too.
I know that we should be aware that using aggressive language should be only used when necessary. In this case (Esoteric), even I called him out in an aggressive way, since I have an overview of what he did to people (like EYJP or Cc1914), and what he has done is not acceptable.
I try to limit the use of aggressive language to a minimum, since I am aware that there always is 'colleteral damage' - users who are not familiar with the background story might turn away from the sub. Maybe this is what you tried to say.
TL;DR: I would like to ask you to please not mix 1) and 2) when you discuss @Crensch's actions. Thank you.
Here is Esoteric - What is the attack on them for? Why? This is not clear to me. Is it just they have a few alts and upvoted thier stuff/ was it ill-mannered or with ill-intention? Serious question
I don't disagree that that goat has been creating alts and promoting their opinions. This should be made more clear to be A NO NO! THE INTENTION MATTERS. What is Esoteric doing that creates problems? They wanted to strengthen their voice and did it in a way that undermined their integrity bud does not appear to be doing this with mall intent. Present how Esoteric is spreading lies or intentionally manipulating content relevant to the interests of the community.
Present how Esoteric is spreading lies or intentionally manipulating content relevant to the interests of the community.
@jangles - creating alts is allowed. Brigading is not allowed. Esoteric upvoat and downvoat brigaded with his alts, thus he manipulated the CCP and SCP on the sub. This, taken for itself, damages the sub. (And please note, I am non-partisan, and not into Q, so this is not a 'muh, he pushed against Q'-reply).
Also, he groomed users like EYJP and Cc1914, and used his 'friendship' to influence them, and they also brigaded. He groomed and hurt them.
yes, and rallying for support around your opinions is how people validate their position. Idk how he hurt them?
The minimal ammount 3-4 ccp and scp points you are talking about is a joke to me. Taking anything here at face value is absurd and we should all encourage others to assess our opinions. The challenges I present about the antics of crensch are more damning to the voat goats and the links to the reddit pages with 100's of scps and strong ccps regarding the distaste for his position are substantial. I am not alone in my opinion here and you can stand by and watch the integrity built here slide under your watch. I am not saying that crensch should not be allowed to be a mod. What I am doing is pointing out an issue that can become a problem without addressing it. Godspeed and thanks for the commitment to this prerogative, civil discourse is best. Thanks for your candor.
He pretended to be their friend when he wasn't, so they feel betrayed now. They realized he only used them
yes, and rallying for support around your opinions is how people validate their position.
Having others that might want to support your stance when they happen to read your comments is fine; manipulating others, inventing multiple alts that talk to each other creating whole comment threads, and constantly upvoat and downvoat brigading isn't. Apart from intentionally grooming 'friends', and then only using them as pawns.
The minimal ammount 3-4 ccp and scp points you are talking about is a joke to me.
I was talking about 6-7 alts at least he used at the same time in order to brigade.
Taking anything here at face value is absurd and we should all encourage others to assess our opinions.
I agree. This should not prevent us from calling out those cases when someone is obviously acting in a malicious way.
You have read this thread, you have read my replies to Cc1914 and 3141......, and saw that I accepted their apologies, and let them get away with it. Esoteric is a whole different story.
I am not alone in my opinion here and you can stand by and watch the integrity built here slide under your watch.
I heard you; in the end it will be up to @Crensch to assess this criticism and decide whether and how he might want to change or not. Please note that I chose to use the same aggressive language @Crensch often uses when I dealt with Esoteric this time; there have been reasons for doing so.
Godspeed and thanks for the commitment to this prerogative, civil discourse is best. Thanks for your candor.
Thanks for helping me come to understand this @think-
@crensch thanks for helping shine light on this esoteric wound. I hope you can understand my distaste for some of your over-generalizations and grouping tactics that at times demeans my integrity and honor. As far as the unrepresented hate and despise you have for many of the Jews, it doesn't help using any race to name call or demean. Plus they have had it pretty bad in the 20th century and they don't have much longer anyway, give the Jew name calling a break for a bit. Don't hold back the language, or vilified assessments of BS here that would be rampant without your assistance.
I hope you can understand my distaste for some of your over-generalizations and grouping tactics that at times demeans my integrity and honor.
I don't do what I do to be popular with people. I get it; I just don't care. All of that is a necessary part of me being effective at doing my self-imposed job here.
As far as the unrepresented hate and despise you have for many of the Jews, it doesn't help using any race to name call or demean.
I challenge you to support your assertion that it doesn't help.
Crensch's race baiting antics and inability to not cause 'collateral damage'JPEG cause scars in the integrity for this entire community.
Researching child-sacrificing pedos, but can't handle some harsh language.
Colour me suspicious of anyone that has those two qualities; either way, I'm not going to change.
I'm not the face of this community - I'm usually an absentee [O] that is here to deal with bad mods when evidence of wrongdoing is brought to my attention. Every mod here knows that pinging me is asking for everyone involved getting carpet-bombed. @srayzie might be able to illustrate that with a meme she made of it.
If ESOTERIC and his faggot alts/friends hadn't caused so much bullshit since PG started, almost none of you would even know who I am.
It is disgusting to have him as a mod and makes us all look bad.
It's disgusting to have so many ungrateful snowflakes that don't know or care why this place even exists, and why it took someone like me to cause this entire shitshow to be brought into the light like it has been.
Yet I suffer these slings and arrows happily because what I do is necessary, it helps weaklings have a place to post their (hopefully worthwhile) findings; more than anything, though, I enjoy my work.
I suffer these slings and arrows happily because what I do is necessary, ... I enjoy my work.
This presents your integrity in a way I haven't seen. I again apologize, I believe think- was able to get me to understand the gravity of the situation.
ESOTERIC and his faggot alts/friends
You have put both Jem and I in this category. I am defending our integrity. EsotericShade is using sick methods to 'strengthen' their 'fake' community, Who else has esoteric been handling? Your frank approach may be necessary, to scare out the scarabs.
...and inability to not cause 'collateral damage'JPEG cause scars in the integrity for this entire community.
I am pinging @Crensch into this comment, so that he will be able to read what you said above. He might want to reply. Voat is free speech, he is an adult, and I am neither his nanny nor his boss. It is up to him to decide how he would like to choose his wording.
I appreciate him as an O, but obviously not all people like everyone I appreciate.
As I said, I am not peeved when people don't like me, so evidently I also accept it when people don't like other people in the mod team. As long as they make it clear that they don't like them for personal reasons, and don't mix it with attacking their mod / O actions, because that's an entirely different discussion.
I have an overview of what he did to people (like EYJP or Cc1914), and what he has done is not acceptable
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think- ago
I don't think @jangles is an Esoteric alt, @kevdude.
IIRC, he took sides with the RIPJem guy (please correct me if I'm wrong, @jangles, might not remember this correctly), but later said @srayzie's stance had some merit.
@Crensch @Vindicator
jangles ago
With Regards to Jenny Moore, her inability to differentiate BS from well presented information lead her to make bold claims without any merit. This was used to discredit her in anyway possible as she use to work as a police officer in CA and was involved in whistle-blowing against her supervisors. Fucking absurd mods attack her as they did, no the bad information she was re posting.
Crensch ago
What the everloving fuck were mods supposed to do? When a user continually posts bad shit, the user shows itself to be a bad user. Mods have to deal with bad users, do they not? We have user-decided rules here that mods are empowered to enforce - by the users. If they don't deal with problem users, what good are they?
@Vindicator @think- @srayzie
jangles ago
This shows a lot of heart. Not sure I was barking up the correct tree.
srayzie ago
You acted like you understood what I was trying to say. Now you’re back to thinking I was attacking her? I documented dishonesty and changing stories when confronted. I documented her lying about how her trip to Comey Ping Pong went, and her changing story as things unfolded. To then sympathizing and defending Alefantis.
I admit that the time of posting was bad. I felt pressured by others, who knew what I knew, feeling like I need to say something. That people could decide for themselves. I didn’t know her death was being questioned until that night.
If people want to paint me as someone who just wanted to paint her in a bad light, then that’s bullshit.
think- ago
I signed up one month before Jem777 was banned. But I read most of her stuff since I was a longtime lurker before.
She always mixed valid info with info that wasn't accurate imo.
I am not sure to which mods you are referring to, @jangles. I am not aware how MF interacted with her. But I do know that @Vindicator really tried to help her with her posts, since she really posted stuff that wouldn't adhere to the rules.
During the recent discussion about Jem777, I looked at the old threads, and saw what @Vindicator did to help her.
I'm afraid she was rightly banned. It was highly unfair to attack @Vindicator for having banned her the way some users did one or two months ago. (Not implying you did, I don't remember your comments in these threads.)
Whatever else you might think about her, she clearly provoked getting banned. And she even came back with an alt. She could have continued using this alt, but she choose not to.
@kevdude @Crensch @EricKaliberhall
jangles ago
A real whistle blower. Contributor to v/pizzagate . Dead in her DE hotel while investigating Bill Clinton. All are FACTS.
@Jem777 @mej777 was mislead and made bad claims and reposed bad info sometimes. I do appreciate the assistance from @vindicator . There have been great mods here before @crensch
Crensch ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1408508 First PG submission
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/1465205 Introducing me as a mod
Less than a month, and I think I was a mod well before that. Who were these great mods?
@Vindicator @think- @kevdude @EricKaliberhall @srayzie - I found something you all might like
Vindicator ago
That was a in interesting link, Crensch. Thanks for sharing that.
jangles ago
my favorite was @l4l1lul3l0 followed by @Vindicator - The metal heads kevdude - putitout and you are good people. Maybe a bit frank and fedup with the bs.
think- ago
LOL
Vindicator ago
Jangles, I don't necessarily disagree with you about Jem. She was either a deliberate party to a psyop, or a well-manipulated tool. It's very hard to tell which.
But that is exactly why this thread, and the research @Crensch, @think-, @Eric_Kaliberhall and I have done into Esoteric since the report of her death is so important. If you look back into old threads, you will see Esoteric and his alts seriously gaslighting Jem. He is all over her threads. God only knows what he was saying to her in private. He has groomed multiple users privately (including me and think-).
Coincidentally, here he claims to have been tortured with direct energy weapons. And here he claims to have been sodomized as a kid. But here, he viciously attacks another user and then two months later tries to use my response as evidence I'm a bad mod -- using deceitful tactics and quoting me out of context. He also posted fake Q and attempted to blame srayzie for it.
This thread clearly shows he uses sock puppets to manufacture consensus and upvote himself and his alts.
Does all that sound like the behavior of someone of good will who is here because he wants to stop elite child rapists? Or someone who is here to manipulate people like Jem, Gothamgirl and others?
Weigh the evidence. Don't leap to the conclusion that Crensch is wrong or has ill intent because he uses bad language.
@kevdude
Crensch ago
I don't think I've credited you all enough so far; I'm not sure I mentioned who else did the work at all. Apologies for that. Each of you have really shown your strengths throughout this, and I'm proud as fuck of you all.
jangles ago
Thank you for chiming in. She likely victim and easily-manipulated tool due to manic approach to her situation. I appreciate your insight into Esoteric and believe that there is a direct relationship to the interests here in gaslighting and Jenny's efforts to bring down Andrew McCabe an Bill Clinton.
WE REALLY need to WATCH for these things. I do believe @Crensch has good intentions here and helps a lot, I am beginning to understand what has been going on with regards to this matter.
A well meaning goat, @jem777 , is dead. It is suspect and I am trying to help understand why my friend is dead. Essoteric is no friend of mine and I didn't realize how much gaslighting and subversive shit they have been up to. Crensch's approach to this is demeaning and does not highlight the gas-lighting and manipulations, really just the alts and brigades.
@ESOTERICshade - Defend your position or lose whatever respect you may have remaining from any of the goats here.
ESOTERICshade ago
My submission history speaks for itself. I won't be pulled into crensh's caustic world. I'm not interested enough in crensch's world to do it.
jangles ago
What about Jenny?
ESOTERICshade ago
I am still not sure what to think about all that. I don't know anything for sure. I saw everything that you saw I suppose.
jangles ago
did you know jem777 was jenny before her death?
ESOTERICshade ago
No I did not.
jangles ago
I am really beginning to believe her demise had nothing to do with her time here on voat. Yet she still was part of this community. I just want people to understand who she was and what she was doing.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
From what I know about her she was on opiate painkillers and she really relied on them due to plates in her spine. Those can cause bad withdrawal which can cause seizures and that can cause death if severe enough. According to what I heard she withdrew from those a month prior to her death or so, and it MAY have been from a protracted withdrawal. A lot of people do not understand what that is. But if you've been on any mind altering drug or pain killer for a long period of time, protracted withdrawal can cause death.
jangles ago
I suspect this also. Intelligent insight I appreciate your input. Thanks
ESOTERICshade ago
I spoke to her several times by PM a long time ago. She was really interested in trying to understand world history. I taught her about the Caananites, some Middle East history, and she was fascinated by it all. She seemed very driven, and like the rest of us, struggling to understand this crazy world.
jangles ago
regardless of it all, if people are as transparent as possible here on voat, we will likely realize the insignificant role that we have until we present ourselves as publicly as possible.
think- ago
Yes, it does. You made 8 submissions in the last 8 months.
In one of your first posts, you cautioned us not to talk about SRA, although you later claimed you are a SRA survivor - well, that's just part of your 'story'.
Now the Rothschilds and Satanism are essential for our research. Why would someone want to suppress talking about them? Oh, wait a minute..... /s
I never came across a SRA survivor here that demanded that people should stop speaking about SRA and satanism. Never. Quite to the contrary: They can't wait to get the story out that there is ritual abuse, and satanic ritual abuse, and would like to spread the word about it.
Also, you said in the same post that Pizzagaters shouldn't invest companies that used suspicious symbols like spirals, or had suspicious Instagrams.
We would have never had looked into Alefantis' CCP or Voodoo Doughnut if we had followed your advice.
And would have never looked into Rachel Chandler's model agency, incidentally the most shillish time on v/pizzagate ever. Shills seemed desperate to bury the topic at the time.
TL;DR: If I were you, I would be embarassed to refer to your submission history.
Shame on you for what you did, EsotericShade. Shame on you.
@Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @kevdude.
ESOTERICshade ago
Yes it is a major part of the research. Normies glaze over when it is mentioned. Normies need to be approaced with a softer method.
Crensch ago
I have every intention of continuing on as I have. I had no reason to highlight gaslighting and manipulations since anyone taking even a cursory glance at the proven alt usernames could have come to the conclusion that those things were absolutely happening.
He won't. And he'll seem to conveniently forget about it, too. Guess what kind of people do that, jangles?
jangles ago
Thanks. My intention here is not to discredit or demean. People getting called out for being alts with crensch style, provides a disservice for this community. Unfortunately that nazi thug is intelligent and has clear intentions for Jews. This is not someone you want as a FRONT MAN.
Vindicator ago
Esoteric has just as much scorn for Jews as Crensch, only he uses doesn't say "Kike". He goes on and on about "Zionists", "Talmudic priests", "Israel" and "Mossad". He does it on his main account, as well as his alts.
That's not even counting the spew that comes out of his Donkey/auralsects alts.
ESOTERICshade ago
I decided to read through this thread. That is just silly. You have insinuated that I am a child pornographer, the Donkey, a shill, and a lot of things.
jangles ago
and thank you for not letting Esoteric be a MOD.
think- ago
Oh, he never wanted to become a mod as far as I know, he said publicly he wanted to became an O.
@Vindicator @Crensch @kevdude @srayzie @EricKaliberhall
jangles ago
just subvert.... sick
think- ago
Yep.
think- ago
I think it would be good if we would split this discussion into two halves:
1) Discussing whether your claim that @Crensch's claims are 'unsubstantiated' has merit,
2) whether you personally like @Crensch or not.
Re 1) please see my comment above. He was right in calling the users out. I looked into Esoteric's comment history, and I also saw that the users in question here upvoat brigaded, which is not allowed. They even admitted it in the end.
2) @Crensch has, together with @kevdude, saved the v/pizzagate sub when it got attacked by old Goats. This is why he is an O. He is here to protect the sub against shill attacks, and Esoteric definitely is some kind of shill, very likely a paid deepstate shill. Otherwise he wouldn't have invested this much time and energy.
If you don't like @Crensch and/or don't like his wording when he calls out people, that's fine - you also don't have to like me, or like me being a mod, I would accept that too.
I know that we should be aware that using aggressive language should be only used when necessary. In this case (Esoteric), even I called him out in an aggressive way, since I have an overview of what he did to people (like EYJP or Cc1914), and what he has done is not acceptable.
I try to limit the use of aggressive language to a minimum, since I am aware that there always is 'colleteral damage' - users who are not familiar with the background story might turn away from the sub. Maybe this is what you tried to say.
TL;DR: I would like to ask you to please not mix 1) and 2) when you discuss @Crensch's actions. Thank you.
@kevdude @Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @srayzie
jangles ago
Here is Esoteric - What is the attack on them for? Why? This is not clear to me. Is it just they have a few alts and upvoted thier stuff/ was it ill-mannered or with ill-intention? Serious question
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2773693/14337043
think- ago
Have you read @Crensch's post that has been stickied, and the comments on the thread? I'd recommend reading it, it will answer your question.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2777433
jangles ago
I don't disagree that that goat has been creating alts and promoting their opinions. This should be made more clear to be A NO NO! THE INTENTION MATTERS. What is Esoteric doing that creates problems? They wanted to strengthen their voice and did it in a way that undermined their integrity bud does not appear to be doing this with mall intent. Present how Esoteric is spreading lies or intentionally manipulating content relevant to the interests of the community.
think- ago
@jangles - creating alts is allowed. Brigading is not allowed. Esoteric upvoat and downvoat brigaded with his alts, thus he manipulated the CCP and SCP on the sub. This, taken for itself, damages the sub. (And please note, I am non-partisan, and not into Q, so this is not a 'muh, he pushed against Q'-reply).
Also, he groomed users like EYJP and Cc1914, and used his 'friendship' to influence them, and they also brigaded. He groomed and hurt them.
Did you read Crensch's thread in the meantime?
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jangles ago
yes, and rallying for support around your opinions is how people validate their position. Idk how he hurt them?
The minimal ammount 3-4 ccp and scp points you are talking about is a joke to me. Taking anything here at face value is absurd and we should all encourage others to assess our opinions. The challenges I present about the antics of crensch are more damning to the voat goats and the links to the reddit pages with 100's of scps and strong ccps regarding the distaste for his position are substantial. I am not alone in my opinion here and you can stand by and watch the integrity built here slide under your watch. I am not saying that crensch should not be allowed to be a mod. What I am doing is pointing out an issue that can become a problem without addressing it. Godspeed and thanks for the commitment to this prerogative, civil discourse is best. Thanks for your candor.
think- ago
He pretended to be their friend when he wasn't, so they feel betrayed now. They realized he only used them
Having others that might want to support your stance when they happen to read your comments is fine; manipulating others, inventing multiple alts that talk to each other creating whole comment threads, and constantly upvoat and downvoat brigading isn't. Apart from intentionally grooming 'friends', and then only using them as pawns.
I was talking about 6-7 alts at least he used at the same time in order to brigade.
I agree. This should not prevent us from calling out those cases when someone is obviously acting in a malicious way.
You have read this thread, you have read my replies to Cc1914 and 3141......, and saw that I accepted their apologies, and let them get away with it. Esoteric is a whole different story.
I heard you; in the end it will be up to @Crensch to assess this criticism and decide whether and how he might want to change or not. Please note that I chose to use the same aggressive language @Crensch often uses when I dealt with Esoteric this time; there have been reasons for doing so.
Welcome, jangles.
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jangles ago
Thanks for helping me come to understand this @think-
@crensch thanks for helping shine light on this esoteric wound. I hope you can understand my distaste for some of your over-generalizations and grouping tactics that at times demeans my integrity and honor. As far as the unrepresented hate and despise you have for many of the Jews, it doesn't help using any race to name call or demean. Plus they have had it pretty bad in the 20th century and they don't have much longer anyway, give the Jew name calling a break for a bit. Don't hold back the language, or vilified assessments of BS here that would be rampant without your assistance.
Crensch ago
I don't do what I do to be popular with people. I get it; I just don't care. All of that is a necessary part of me being effective at doing my self-imposed job here.
I challenge you to support your assertion that it doesn't help.
I have some suggested reading for you:
https://voat.co/v/introductions/1894931/9315621
https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/2125687/10475639
https://voat.co/v/whatever/2528188/12667712
The links above will show they richly deserve all the hate they've gotten throughout their existence.
Given the previous sentences, this one seems without proper context. Explain?
Crensch ago
@Vindicator @think-
think- ago
Going to take a break now, and will look at your link when I'll be back in an hour or so. See you then.
jangles ago
Crensch's race baiting antics and inability to not cause 'collateral damage' cause scars in the integrity for this entire community.
It is disgusting to have him as a mod and makes us all look bad.
Crensch ago
Researching child-sacrificing pedos, but can't handle some harsh language.
Colour me suspicious of anyone that has those two qualities; either way, I'm not going to change.
I'm not the face of this community - I'm usually an absentee [O] that is here to deal with bad mods when evidence of wrongdoing is brought to my attention. Every mod here knows that pinging me is asking for everyone involved getting carpet-bombed. @srayzie might be able to illustrate that with a meme she made of it.
If ESOTERIC and his faggot alts/friends hadn't caused so much bullshit since PG started, almost none of you would even know who I am.
It's disgusting to have so many ungrateful snowflakes that don't know or care why this place even exists, and why it took someone like me to cause this entire shitshow to be brought into the light like it has been.
Yet I suffer these slings and arrows happily because what I do is necessary, it helps weaklings have a place to post their (hopefully worthwhile) findings; more than anything, though, I enjoy my work.
@Vindicator @think- @kevdude
jangles ago
This presents your integrity in a way I haven't seen. I again apologize, I believe think- was able to get me to understand the gravity of the situation.
You have put both Jem and I in this category. I am defending our integrity. EsotericShade is using sick methods to 'strengthen' their 'fake' community, Who else has esoteric been handling? Your frank approach may be necessary, to scare out the scarabs.
srayzie ago
I got it 🇺🇸
srayzie ago
Meme You’re welcome 😁
think- ago
Hahahah. That's great! xoxo
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srayzie ago
LOL
Shizy ago
That's my favorite!
think- ago
I am pinging @Crensch into this comment, so that he will be able to read what you said above. He might want to reply. Voat is free speech, he is an adult, and I am neither his nanny nor his boss. It is up to him to decide how he would like to choose his wording.
I appreciate him as an O, but obviously not all people like everyone I appreciate.
As I said, I am not peeved when people don't like me, so evidently I also accept it when people don't like other people in the mod team. As long as they make it clear that they don't like them for personal reasons, and don't mix it with attacking their mod / O actions, because that's an entirely different discussion.
I meant EsotericShade, @jangles, not @Crensch.
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