IIRC, he took sides with the RIPJem guy (please correct me if I'm wrong, @jangles, might not remember this correctly), but later said @srayzie's stance had some merit.
Thanks. My intention here is not to discredit or demean. People getting called out for being alts with crensch style, provides a disservice for this community. Unfortunately that nazi thug is intelligent and has clear intentions for Jews. This is not someone you want as a FRONT MAN.
Re 1) please see my comment above. He was right in calling the users out. I looked into Esoteric's comment history, and I also saw that the users in question here upvoat brigaded, which is not allowed. They even admitted it in the end.
2) @Crensch has, together with @kevdude, saved the v/pizzagate sub when it got attacked by old Goats. This is why he is an O. He is here to protect the sub against shill attacks, and Esoteric definitely is some kind of shill, very likely a paid deepstate shill. Otherwise he wouldn't have invested this much time and energy.
If you don't like @Crensch and/or don't like his wording when he calls out people, that's fine - you also don't have to like me, or like me being a mod, I would accept that too.
I know that we should be aware that using aggressive language should be only used when necessary. In this case (Esoteric), even I called him out in an aggressive way, since I have an overview of what he did to people (like EYJP or Cc1914), and what he has done is not acceptable.
I try to limit the use of aggressive language to a minimum, since I am aware that there always is 'colleteral damage' - users who are not familiar with the background story might turn away from the sub. Maybe this is what you tried to say.
TL;DR: I would like to ask you to please not mix 1) and 2) when you discuss @Crensch's actions. Thank you.
Here is Esoteric - What is the attack on them for? Why? This is not clear to me. Is it just they have a few alts and upvoted thier stuff/ was it ill-mannered or with ill-intention? Serious question
I don't disagree that that goat has been creating alts and promoting their opinions. This should be made more clear to be A NO NO! THE INTENTION MATTERS. What is Esoteric doing that creates problems? They wanted to strengthen their voice and did it in a way that undermined their integrity bud does not appear to be doing this with mall intent. Present how Esoteric is spreading lies or intentionally manipulating content relevant to the interests of the community.
Present how Esoteric is spreading lies or intentionally manipulating content relevant to the interests of the community.
@jangles - creating alts is allowed. Brigading is not allowed. Esoteric upvoat and downvoat brigaded with his alts, thus he manipulated the CCP and SCP on the sub. This, taken for itself, damages the sub. (And please note, I am non-partisan, and not into Q, so this is not a 'muh, he pushed against Q'-reply).
Also, he groomed users like EYJP and Cc1914, and used his 'friendship' to influence them, and they also brigaded. He groomed and hurt them.
yes, and rallying for support around your opinions is how people validate their position. Idk how he hurt them?
The minimal ammount 3-4 ccp and scp points you are talking about is a joke to me. Taking anything here at face value is absurd and we should all encourage others to assess our opinions. The challenges I present about the antics of crensch are more damning to the voat goats and the links to the reddit pages with 100's of scps and strong ccps regarding the distaste for his position are substantial. I am not alone in my opinion here and you can stand by and watch the integrity built here slide under your watch. I am not saying that crensch should not be allowed to be a mod. What I am doing is pointing out an issue that can become a problem without addressing it. Godspeed and thanks for the commitment to this prerogative, civil discourse is best. Thanks for your candor.
He pretended to be their friend when he wasn't, so they feel betrayed now. They realized he only used them
yes, and rallying for support around your opinions is how people validate their position.
Having others that might want to support your stance when they happen to read your comments is fine; manipulating others, inventing multiple alts that talk to each other creating whole comment threads, and constantly upvoat and downvoat brigading isn't. Apart from intentionally grooming 'friends', and then only using them as pawns.
The minimal ammount 3-4 ccp and scp points you are talking about is a joke to me.
I was talking about 6-7 alts at least he used at the same time in order to brigade.
Taking anything here at face value is absurd and we should all encourage others to assess our opinions.
I agree. This should not prevent us from calling out those cases when someone is obviously acting in a malicious way.
You have read this thread, you have read my replies to Cc1914 and 3141......, and saw that I accepted their apologies, and let them get away with it. Esoteric is a whole different story.
I am not alone in my opinion here and you can stand by and watch the integrity built here slide under your watch.
I heard you; in the end it will be up to @Crensch to assess this criticism and decide whether and how he might want to change or not. Please note that I chose to use the same aggressive language @Crensch often uses when I dealt with Esoteric this time; there have been reasons for doing so.
Godspeed and thanks for the commitment to this prerogative, civil discourse is best. Thanks for your candor.
Thanks for helping me come to understand this @think-
@crensch thanks for helping shine light on this esoteric wound. I hope you can understand my distaste for some of your over-generalizations and grouping tactics that at times demeans my integrity and honor. As far as the unrepresented hate and despise you have for many of the Jews, it doesn't help using any race to name call or demean. Plus they have had it pretty bad in the 20th century and they don't have much longer anyway, give the Jew name calling a break for a bit. Don't hold back the language, or vilified assessments of BS here that would be rampant without your assistance.
I hope you can understand my distaste for some of your over-generalizations and grouping tactics that at times demeans my integrity and honor.
I don't do what I do to be popular with people. I get it; I just don't care. All of that is a necessary part of me being effective at doing my self-imposed job here.
As far as the unrepresented hate and despise you have for many of the Jews, it doesn't help using any race to name call or demean.
I challenge you to support your assertion that it doesn't help.
Crensch's race baiting antics and inability to not cause 'collateral damage'JPEG cause scars in the integrity for this entire community.
Researching child-sacrificing pedos, but can't handle some harsh language.
Colour me suspicious of anyone that has those two qualities; either way, I'm not going to change.
I'm not the face of this community - I'm usually an absentee [O] that is here to deal with bad mods when evidence of wrongdoing is brought to my attention. Every mod here knows that pinging me is asking for everyone involved getting carpet-bombed. @srayzie might be able to illustrate that with a meme she made of it.
If ESOTERIC and his faggot alts/friends hadn't caused so much bullshit since PG started, almost none of you would even know who I am.
It is disgusting to have him as a mod and makes us all look bad.
It's disgusting to have so many ungrateful snowflakes that don't know or care why this place even exists, and why it took someone like me to cause this entire shitshow to be brought into the light like it has been.
Yet I suffer these slings and arrows happily because what I do is necessary, it helps weaklings have a place to post their (hopefully worthwhile) findings; more than anything, though, I enjoy my work.
I suffer these slings and arrows happily because what I do is necessary, ... I enjoy my work.
This presents your integrity in a way I haven't seen. I again apologize, I believe think- was able to get me to understand the gravity of the situation.
ESOTERIC and his faggot alts/friends
You have put both Jem and I in this category. I am defending our integrity. EsotericShade is using sick methods to 'strengthen' their 'fake' community, Who else has esoteric been handling? Your frank approach may be necessary, to scare out the scarabs.
...and inability to not cause 'collateral damage'JPEG cause scars in the integrity for this entire community.
I am pinging @Crensch into this comment, so that he will be able to read what you said above. He might want to reply. Voat is free speech, he is an adult, and I am neither his nanny nor his boss. It is up to him to decide how he would like to choose his wording.
I appreciate him as an O, but obviously not all people like everyone I appreciate.
As I said, I am not peeved when people don't like me, so evidently I also accept it when people don't like other people in the mod team. As long as they make it clear that they don't like them for personal reasons, and don't mix it with attacking their mod / O actions, because that's an entirely different discussion.
I have an overview of what he did to people (like EYJP or Cc1914), and what he has done is not acceptable
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think- ago
I don't think @jangles is an Esoteric alt, @kevdude.
IIRC, he took sides with the RIPJem guy (please correct me if I'm wrong, @jangles, might not remember this correctly), but later said @srayzie's stance had some merit.
@Crensch @Vindicator
jangles ago
Thanks. My intention here is not to discredit or demean. People getting called out for being alts with crensch style, provides a disservice for this community. Unfortunately that nazi thug is intelligent and has clear intentions for Jews. This is not someone you want as a FRONT MAN.
think- ago
I think it would be good if we would split this discussion into two halves:
1) Discussing whether your claim that @Crensch's claims are 'unsubstantiated' has merit,
2) whether you personally like @Crensch or not.
Re 1) please see my comment above. He was right in calling the users out. I looked into Esoteric's comment history, and I also saw that the users in question here upvoat brigaded, which is not allowed. They even admitted it in the end.
2) @Crensch has, together with @kevdude, saved the v/pizzagate sub when it got attacked by old Goats. This is why he is an O. He is here to protect the sub against shill attacks, and Esoteric definitely is some kind of shill, very likely a paid deepstate shill. Otherwise he wouldn't have invested this much time and energy.
If you don't like @Crensch and/or don't like his wording when he calls out people, that's fine - you also don't have to like me, or like me being a mod, I would accept that too.
I know that we should be aware that using aggressive language should be only used when necessary. In this case (Esoteric), even I called him out in an aggressive way, since I have an overview of what he did to people (like EYJP or Cc1914), and what he has done is not acceptable.
I try to limit the use of aggressive language to a minimum, since I am aware that there always is 'colleteral damage' - users who are not familiar with the background story might turn away from the sub. Maybe this is what you tried to say.
TL;DR: I would like to ask you to please not mix 1) and 2) when you discuss @Crensch's actions. Thank you.
@kevdude @Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @srayzie
jangles ago
Here is Esoteric - What is the attack on them for? Why? This is not clear to me. Is it just they have a few alts and upvoted thier stuff/ was it ill-mannered or with ill-intention? Serious question
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2773693/14337043
think- ago
Have you read @Crensch's post that has been stickied, and the comments on the thread? I'd recommend reading it, it will answer your question.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2777433
jangles ago
I don't disagree that that goat has been creating alts and promoting their opinions. This should be made more clear to be A NO NO! THE INTENTION MATTERS. What is Esoteric doing that creates problems? They wanted to strengthen their voice and did it in a way that undermined their integrity bud does not appear to be doing this with mall intent. Present how Esoteric is spreading lies or intentionally manipulating content relevant to the interests of the community.
think- ago
@jangles - creating alts is allowed. Brigading is not allowed. Esoteric upvoat and downvoat brigaded with his alts, thus he manipulated the CCP and SCP on the sub. This, taken for itself, damages the sub. (And please note, I am non-partisan, and not into Q, so this is not a 'muh, he pushed against Q'-reply).
Also, he groomed users like EYJP and Cc1914, and used his 'friendship' to influence them, and they also brigaded. He groomed and hurt them.
Did you read Crensch's thread in the meantime?
@kevdude @Crensch @Vindicator @EricKaliberhall
jangles ago
yes, and rallying for support around your opinions is how people validate their position. Idk how he hurt them?
The minimal ammount 3-4 ccp and scp points you are talking about is a joke to me. Taking anything here at face value is absurd and we should all encourage others to assess our opinions. The challenges I present about the antics of crensch are more damning to the voat goats and the links to the reddit pages with 100's of scps and strong ccps regarding the distaste for his position are substantial. I am not alone in my opinion here and you can stand by and watch the integrity built here slide under your watch. I am not saying that crensch should not be allowed to be a mod. What I am doing is pointing out an issue that can become a problem without addressing it. Godspeed and thanks for the commitment to this prerogative, civil discourse is best. Thanks for your candor.
think- ago
He pretended to be their friend when he wasn't, so they feel betrayed now. They realized he only used them
Having others that might want to support your stance when they happen to read your comments is fine; manipulating others, inventing multiple alts that talk to each other creating whole comment threads, and constantly upvoat and downvoat brigading isn't. Apart from intentionally grooming 'friends', and then only using them as pawns.
I was talking about 6-7 alts at least he used at the same time in order to brigade.
I agree. This should not prevent us from calling out those cases when someone is obviously acting in a malicious way.
You have read this thread, you have read my replies to Cc1914 and 3141......, and saw that I accepted their apologies, and let them get away with it. Esoteric is a whole different story.
I heard you; in the end it will be up to @Crensch to assess this criticism and decide whether and how he might want to change or not. Please note that I chose to use the same aggressive language @Crensch often uses when I dealt with Esoteric this time; there have been reasons for doing so.
Welcome, jangles.
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @Crensch @srayzie @kevdude
jangles ago
Thanks for helping me come to understand this @think-
@crensch thanks for helping shine light on this esoteric wound. I hope you can understand my distaste for some of your over-generalizations and grouping tactics that at times demeans my integrity and honor. As far as the unrepresented hate and despise you have for many of the Jews, it doesn't help using any race to name call or demean. Plus they have had it pretty bad in the 20th century and they don't have much longer anyway, give the Jew name calling a break for a bit. Don't hold back the language, or vilified assessments of BS here that would be rampant without your assistance.
Crensch ago
I don't do what I do to be popular with people. I get it; I just don't care. All of that is a necessary part of me being effective at doing my self-imposed job here.
I challenge you to support your assertion that it doesn't help.
I have some suggested reading for you:
https://voat.co/v/introductions/1894931/9315621
https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/2125687/10475639
https://voat.co/v/whatever/2528188/12667712
The links above will show they richly deserve all the hate they've gotten throughout their existence.
Given the previous sentences, this one seems without proper context. Explain?
Crensch ago
@Vindicator @think-
think- ago
Going to take a break now, and will look at your link when I'll be back in an hour or so. See you then.
jangles ago
Crensch's race baiting antics and inability to not cause 'collateral damage' cause scars in the integrity for this entire community.
It is disgusting to have him as a mod and makes us all look bad.
Crensch ago
Researching child-sacrificing pedos, but can't handle some harsh language.
Colour me suspicious of anyone that has those two qualities; either way, I'm not going to change.
I'm not the face of this community - I'm usually an absentee [O] that is here to deal with bad mods when evidence of wrongdoing is brought to my attention. Every mod here knows that pinging me is asking for everyone involved getting carpet-bombed. @srayzie might be able to illustrate that with a meme she made of it.
If ESOTERIC and his faggot alts/friends hadn't caused so much bullshit since PG started, almost none of you would even know who I am.
It's disgusting to have so many ungrateful snowflakes that don't know or care why this place even exists, and why it took someone like me to cause this entire shitshow to be brought into the light like it has been.
Yet I suffer these slings and arrows happily because what I do is necessary, it helps weaklings have a place to post their (hopefully worthwhile) findings; more than anything, though, I enjoy my work.
@Vindicator @think- @kevdude
jangles ago
This presents your integrity in a way I haven't seen. I again apologize, I believe think- was able to get me to understand the gravity of the situation.
You have put both Jem and I in this category. I am defending our integrity. EsotericShade is using sick methods to 'strengthen' their 'fake' community, Who else has esoteric been handling? Your frank approach may be necessary, to scare out the scarabs.
srayzie ago
I got it 🇺🇸
srayzie ago
Meme You’re welcome 😁
think- ago
Hahahah. That's great! xoxo
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @Shizy @kevdude @MolochHunter
srayzie ago
LOL
Shizy ago
That's my favorite!
think- ago
I am pinging @Crensch into this comment, so that he will be able to read what you said above. He might want to reply. Voat is free speech, he is an adult, and I am neither his nanny nor his boss. It is up to him to decide how he would like to choose his wording.
I appreciate him as an O, but obviously not all people like everyone I appreciate.
As I said, I am not peeved when people don't like me, so evidently I also accept it when people don't like other people in the mod team. As long as they make it clear that they don't like them for personal reasons, and don't mix it with attacking their mod / O actions, because that's an entirely different discussion.
I meant EsotericShade, @jangles, not @Crensch.
@Vindicator @kevdude @EricKaliberhall