Something fucky is afoot.
It's been relatively peaceful in v/pizzagate for months, except for freshmeat-style brigading and vitriol every time someone makes a post about the Q Leaks. This was bad enough that users created and moved Q discussion to a new sub, GreatAwakening.
But then, last Saturday, 3/10, QAnon declares "March Madness", hints Merkel is a blood relative of Hitler and implies the Nazi's did not lose WWII. Voat goes down, the chans lock up, and post-maintenance Voat develops numerous bugs. Freshmeat magically shows up like a shark at an umputee pool party and he and several other users seize upon the vote-count bugs to run the "Voat is corrupt and run by pedophiles, you rubes need to migrate" play in multiple threads in PG and GreatAwakening.
I posted in Voatdev to make sure they saw the way the lack of communication about the bugs was feeding the shills and impacting PG. I was able to publicly undermine his pitch to paranoid pizzagate members by getting him to admit he knows nothing about our sub and was making baseless slurs. The vote count remained evenly matched the first day, but two days later, downvoats had doubled on many comments by me and other PG mods and users.
But I believe the picture is larger than this.
Based on the way I've seen the nefarious characters behave over the past year whenever anything with real potential to drain the swamp materializes, I began to suspect that freshmeat and various alts have been embedded in Pizzagate all along.
- Here is freshmeat saying corrupt mods are "the same shit that went down on Reddit before we all got kicked to Voat." https://files.catbox.moe/2ts8lm.png
- Claiming mods and O's are pedophiles that he knows outside of Vote and suppressing investigation by limiting the topic to elite pedophilia:
"Stay vigilant and don't excuse anything that is done in that subverse. It's compromised and this is a very big deal. I know these pedophiles outside of Voat and it pisses me off how easily they subvert our movements online. It's literally too easy for them and pedophiles have way too much freedom here...Pizzagate should be about taking out all pedophiles, not just the epstein tier pedos. There is pedophilia literally on Voat and it's also the HQ for Pizzagate? Think about that." https://files.catbox.moe/33fj11.png
- And trying to get people to leave: https://files.catbox.moe/6pd94j.png. Yet his account only started 8/17/2017.
He began his subverse attacking ProtectVoat on 12/1/2016. He caught my attention because his talking points and tactics are strikingly similar to another user...
I now believe that under other alts, he helped get the Reddit sub shut down, herded the users to Voat, and then instigated a war between the 20,000 horrified mostly-mainstream conservative folks and Bernie jiltees following the Podesta email revelations, and the rough-tongued, censorship-hating old goats of Voat. I personally observed the seeding of suspicion, the MSM "alt-right extremist" narrative push, and the ban baiting of r/pizzagate-turned-v/pizzagate mods worried about being silenced because of it and their subsequent removal, as well as the efforts of @Crensch, @kevdude and others to strike a balance to allow mods to set limits on the shills without compromising Voat's prime directive to allow free expression and depose PC tyranny.
I've repeatedly seen the talking points, brigading, intimidation, innuendo-smearing and disingenuous misquoting of top researchers and moderators first promulgated by armyseer via v/ PizzagateShills uncannily mirrored lately by freshmeat via v/realProtectVoat. Armyseer created a subverse to smear Pizzagate researchers and mods until he drove many them off Voat. Freshmeat created a subverse to smear those who prevented pizzagate from being destroyed --
...on 12/1/2017, the same day QAnon confirmed clues in Trump's Asia video and tweetsand said Phase I of the global swamp drain was complete and public.
I exposed armyseer's tactics and he's been mostly quiet in his numerous DeathtoMasons alts since fully doxing and threatening mod abortionburger with death months ago...until Q picked up steam.
Armyseer, who began his career identifying Amalek alts to win the trust of Crensch and kevdude, progressed to posing as a mod, issuing bans to trigger people so they would freak out, ragepost and get banned for real, left Voat last July. Freshmeat appears two weeks later -- admits to being Amalek in a post to Whatever, then self-deletes. (Check the very first post).
Coincidentally, freshmeat suddenly starts shit-talking and downvoting in pizzagate and GreatAwakening for three pages of his comment history the day QAnon finally reveals the nature of the evil truth that "would put 99% of Americans (the world) in the hospital."
I believe a serious analysis of freshmeat's history in light of the evidence I've presented shows that he is not just an annoying but harmless autist. He is a tenacious and malignant operator, who undermined the original v/pizzagate investigator mods @PleadingtheYiff and @pizzathrowaway777, hunted abortionburger on Reddit as RedditArmyOverseer to the point of being banned there for doxxing and then on Voat as armyseer after she published an article about a 16-year-old allegedly raped by James Alefantis at Comet Ping Pong. He attacked @IsThisGameofThrones who was subsequently death threatened by Alefantis and filed a police report. Then pushed the idea the YouTuber was Amalek.
Freshmeat aka Amalek aka MightyYetGentle aka armyseer aka She is dangerous, protects Alefantis and tries to destroy those investigating him and Voaters who protect them. He's not here for free-speech. As more of the corrupt establishment is dismantled, he will get worse.
Watch your backs.
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adhdferret ago
I don't think it is as nafarious as protecting the ones you seek to destroy. It is more about splitting up your community and causing disruption.
Hell don't you guys have carte blanche to delete shit? Worst that they will do is go to PV and bitch which we will downvote them and tell them to fuck a rake.
Its_ok_to_be_white ago
The same tactics are used all over the web. They want us divided. They want us fighting each other. They want us ignorant. They want us weak.
People pulling together as a community is what they fear the most.
adhdferret ago
I won't disagree with you, but as with most movements that are successful or have been they need leadership and a clear chain of command which is why things like FPH and pizzagate have such high turnover rates with usernames.
They will don't want liability for third actions so instead they make statements, baseless accusations and then so they have no consequence just delete the username.
I am not saying there isn't some fuckery afoot within the system, but I know for goddamn sure that someone would have come forward or the actual police would give credit to these so called investigations.
Haven't seen a fucking thing along those lines.
Its_ok_to_be_white ago
Haven't you noticed the arrests? Trump is in full pedo-hunting mode.
adhdferret ago
I don't see the Clinton crowd in orange.
I don't see anything other than shit from the goddamn FBI which not sure if you know is the largest distribution network for pedo material is making easy arrests.
Much like how they cultivate terrorist and act like it is their job.
Have any of the people you put under investigation ended up in jail yet? If so was anything of the investigation performed by the crowd ever acknowledged in their prosecution?
FuckEverybody ago
I think the problem is the sprawl is just so massive and pizzagate is the pedo tip of the iceberg. There's some reason why you can't just arrest some of these people, you have to build cases. Or go full blown vigilante, but I don't know how realistic that is.
adhdferret ago
It isn't complicated. It is simple if the president can say that Osama planned and orchestrated the twin towers bombings stands to reason our new one can say these people are fucking children and we need to deal with that.
So either our president is a paid for politician or they are in fact innocent.
You choose which one.
FuckEverybody ago
I think you're right to an extent, but I also still think it's more complicated than that. I don't think they even know who all the players are, and I think the investigation is still ongoing, and I think some people make deals or need to make deals to get deeper in the investigation.
And I think it's so deep and fucked up that most people wouldn't accept what's true, and the brainwashed will be a problem. The media is in bed with the corrupt, and it runs so deep that people are living a lie starting with their core concepts of reality including what they believe happened in WWII.
Ask anyone about Antarctica, like why don't people live there, like really live there, and most people will say something like "oh it's too cold, who cares about Antarctica?" They're entire reality will be shattered.
All the loons that voted for Hillary, pretty sure they will fight for her not to be arrested. It's fucked up. Shit like the Baltimore riots, the shitty college safe spaces, already exposed U.K. Pedophile rings now seemingly forgotten, WMDs in Iraq, the fucking gulf of Tonkin was a lie... shatter people's reality and violence breaks out.
I mean, I'm all for it, but I think the idea is to take all these people down without a civil war or world war, keep things cold.
If the pizzagate related cabal isn't taken down properly, we will probably enter world war 3.
Or not, these are just my theories.
Execute them all publicly, fuck the cautious shit, it's probably a cautious plan presented by guilty parties anyway trying to keep things slow and cautious while they find a way to escape.
adhdferret ago
No fuck all that. They exploited children for sexual gratification. We as a race have advanced beyond that and I don't give a fuck. There is no deals, no manuvering or any of that.
We need a goddamn executive branch with a backbone.
FuckEverybody ago
Agreed. It should be that simple.
If Trump isn't part of the cabal, then he most likely has (((cabal members))) surrounding him and they're convincing him to take this complicated cautious approach instead of the simpler more direct approach as you mentioned.
adhdferret ago
I am done with the gray area of shit like this and the deals to get a better case.
We have some fucking badass son of a bitches that can swim 3 miles to hike 2 miles and kill everyone in a goddamn village without making a sound. It is simple they go to another country and well shit happens..... Bad shit as some might call it.
Otherwise we get a restoration of fucking order or we just get shit worse for the future.
So being prior military I have that chain of command instilled within me. So I will trust in our president and while I don't like it....just the way it is.
Vindicator ago
You're an interesting guy, ferret. What I've noticed modding pizzagate these many long months is that the folks who get the angriest are either vets or law enforcement, and carry themselves like those very badass son of a bitches you mention. I am fortunate to know a couple of Rangers and an Air Cav vet IRL, and recognize the way they carry themselves.
They are always targeted by the disinfo pushers on our board. Frequently, they are pushed into "black pilling".
It may well be that doing right by these folks is what is keeping everything that's happening under wraps so far.
:-) Thank you for your service. At this point in time, I suspect you will not be disappointed.
adhdferret ago
Here is my number one problem with Organizations such as yours.
First off there is zero accountability held on you and your investigation. That means that say when there is false evidence that is submitted in a forum for someone to read about, and they act upon it due to the so called lack of law enforcement they are left with the fallout.
The person who posted the disinformation just makes a new account and boom they forget about it and no one within your ranks speaks of it again.
How many innocent people have gotten involved within the pizzagate ordeal? People that didn't do anything but be so called suspect?
Bet you cannot even name one person without Google. And even then you say it is not relevant or your sorry....well society has this thing of once labeled then always labeled. Destroyed people's fucking lives and for what?
I will tell you what. So you and your merry group can feel useful. Well you are not as of this date. We have a system for this shit to happen and all you are is a social justice warrior. Just a different title.
Another problem I have is how movements such as this always turn to funding so they can continue.
It always happens just a fact of history. Look at perverted justice. You know them right? They were the group that teamed up with to catch a predator back in the day.
They made 1.2mil from that shit and employee salary's were almost a million. Did you Also know that many of the cases they brought to court with their evidence didn't result in prosecution?
You know why? Because they didn't follow the law in evidence and documentation. Also they entrapped many of the ones they wished to get in jail. Matter of fact FBI at one point sezed thier computers because they were the ones distributing the pornography they were supposed to stop!
This is where you and yours are headed. Just happens because for one you have no clear leadership. I know why too.
It is because you don't want to be responsible for this. Your main goal far as I can tell is to hold a position of authority over people.
It is always the same time after time. Yet people like you claim the same thing.....we did it for the right reasons. Well no you didn't. You did it because you wanted to feel like you did something relevant.
How about you focus your attention to something that you can change. Something where you will get out of your house and interact with people face to face. Start something for kids about the dangers of predators? Educate parents on the pitfalls of social media within your own community?
Even though I have been out of work since July I still interact with my community. I help mentor kids and give them a trade skill. I show them how to fix engines....how to troubleshoot problems.
I educate myself upon problems with my son's school and if I can make a valid point I bring it up at the HSA.
Then on here I am always trying to find ways to involi community with new ideas for subverses where they can empower others to possibly make more involvement.
It is what I have done since I got here. Tried to involve more and more people and encourage connection. What does pizzagate encourage?
Singularity because anyone that opposes is just attacked and there is no goddamn welcoming to new community or even reception.
Hell can't even post about it because likely you will delete it lol. Oh let me guess you have a sub dedicated for that? I bet you don't even have an idea of how to correlate all the data you have so far because everyone is doing something different.
Then comes the problem of authentication for linking new users to old account names or does that even happen?
Last thing is I just don't like you or anyone involved within the subverse. They rarely participate within the rest of voat and contribute nothing but more dynamite to the boss for when the shit hits the fan.
Hell your group doesn't even go after the investigation of the current pedos on this site, but holy shit get a chance to find some obscure hoaf assed connection to some shit across the world.....yeah everyone on that.
You want to impress me? Fix Voat and rid it of the pedo scum that is already here.
You won't I already know and you won't even encourage it for some half assed reason. Nope you will just ignore it and allow it to planned your home like a nest of termites.
Makes perfect sense.
Far as who I am.....i am just another person that wants the world to be a better place for all. A place were I can actually live a fruitful life and raise a family. My dream is to help others active that goal as well.
Far as the black pill....grow up and stop using memes to convey a message when speaking with someone about a problem you want to to be taken seriously.
I am not looking at any situation as hopeless I am looking at it as I am not certain with my means available I can actually win so I don't see a point in wasting my time.
It isn't defeat it is strategy. Time management if you will and that is all. I know that since the dawn of civilized world we have had pedophiles. We will always have them in our branches of government. Just how it works. We will have secret societes that will practice questionable methods.
We will and nothing you me or anyone else can do about it.....you don't need to fix the world and you are not supposed to either.
I know that people will be explotied on this planet and while it is a damn shame it isn't a pressing concern for me. I am responsible for my son.....my wife....my life....my family to an extent.
Other than that I honestly don't care. Those kids have people within their lives that should and if they don't well blame their God or yours.....won't change anything either just try it.
Now someone fucks with me or mine? I won't hesitate to end their attempts by any means necessary. I don't care who it is.
I have done what I had to before I was in the military while I was enlisted and hope I don't have to again. I don't like who it is that I become.
So you read this and come to your own conclusions....reply if you feel you can address anything I will be respectful as I always am.
adhdferret ago
I am just a man. A man that can bleed when cut or die when shot. Nothing about me is badass.
Shit need to be seen as godly right or damnation wrong.
The only thing you could do that would make me proud is make a measurable difference. Get law enforcement to acknowledge your movement in a good way.
Unlike you I think that the division of our people that have taken the oath to uphold the law are wanting to do that. Maybe not all of them, but more that want the right thing then those that don't.
Until that happens I won't see you or anyone within your movement as a good thing. Just a distraction for those that need it.