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Camulos ago

Very interesting. You've done an excellent job at cataloging suspicious users, many whom I've seen myself spreading their laughable shit. As far was questioning Q however, I think that's a good thing. I believe Q to be nothing but an elaborate larp and not worthy of the attention it's received thus far. Especially by any free and critical thinking person.

Users like @RIPJem are clearly either easily manipulated fools or part of a disinfo campaign perhaps associated with the one that I brought to light that you graciously linked in the OP. It's clear to me (and obviously you too) that there are those that are working very hard to subvert multiple communities here on voat. I guess that just means we're on the right track :)

Accounts like @PutItOut seem to be troll accounts, @SweetChicken just seems to have wandered into /v/fatpeoplehate which is run by reddit faggots that like to choke themselves on tranny cock. @SpeakSoft just seems to be a bit of a religious nut, nothing too much wrong with that lol and @truth_s33ker just likes Alex Jones, I mean some people think that because I listen to David Alan Coe that means I'm a piece of shit. They're wrong, but they're entitled to be wrong if they so chose haha

Great job @argosciv you've certainly done your due diligence in collecting and presenting much of this info.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, I know it might not fall in line with the rest of the Pizzagate folks but honestly, I don't give a shit. God bless and keep your damn eyes open. There is far too much disinfo that's made its way into this community and the damage has already been done. Just stay vigilant.

SoberSecondThought ago

We Need An Investigation Here

@argosciv @Vindicator

Camulos, over in v/ProtectVoat, you posted this long list on the 2nd of August. At the very top of the list, you had an extra-long entry regarding this person: Jem777/Mej777, which read:

https://voat.co/user/Jem777 and https://voat.co/u/mej777 < Appears to be real accounts, but there's always one of the other bots welcoming him back whenever he posts in a thread. And many of them seem to ping him whenever a certain buzzword is said ( not sure about that list ).

Now, first of all, you've misgendered Jem, which is a common mistake around here. It is a bit sloppy if you're going to accuse that person of leading an army of trolls and sockpuppets, but whatever.

Second, it's easy to check the account histories and see that the last activity by Jem777 was in November 2017, while the last activity by Mej777 was on 16 December 2017. So what are you referring to when you claim that "there's always one of the other bots welcoming him back whenever he posts in a thread". When was anyone welcoming either of these accounts back? Back from where?

My third point is going to be uncomfortable for everyone, but there's no getting around it. Go and do a search on Google for "Voat Jem777" and restrict the date range to Dec 16 through August 3rd (that is, from the last time she posted on Voat to just after you called her out.). You'll find absolutely nothing (except for some spurious links to the True Pundit report of her death 11 days later).

There has only been one time that anyone has mentioned Jem777 on Voat since she left. That was when you denounced her two weeks ago as leading an army of trolls and sockpuppets. And then she died.

My Theory At This Point

I suppose some people might argue that we don't know for sure that she died, or even that Jem777 was Jenny Moore. But if you look at the screenshots provided by srayzie, you'll see that she corresponded privately with Jem777 and that Jem not only confirmed that she was working with George Webb under the working name "TaskForce," but even shared pictures from the time she went with Webb to Comet Pizza to taunt and intimidate Jimmy Comet.

So I'm strongly inclined to believe that Jem777 was Jenny Moore / TaskForce. And while the police investigation into her death has only just begun, and it may yet prove to have been from natural causes, I find two things very, very strange and disturbing indeed.

The first strange thing is that on the 2nd of August, Camulos attacked her as an enemy of Voat, with absolutely no supporting evidence, indeed totally out of the blue given that there had been no activity by her in eight months. And then she was found dead August 14th.

The second strange thing is that she went back to Comet Pizza on July 6th (see this video she made), which is the same day that True Pundit says that she filed documents with Homeland Security alleging that Bill Clinton molested a young boy.

Could it be that the young boy was provided by the child trafficking organization run by James Alefantis? Could this have been sufficient provocation for the Clinton criminal organization to decide to kill her? Obviously that's speculation on my part. But what is not speculation is that absolutely nobody was talking about this woman on Voat, until Camulos decided to attack her reputation two weeks ago.

So let's say for argument's sake that my long-standing theory is true, namely that David Brock pays a guy to come here every day and spread disinfo using a huge variety of sockpuppets. And let's suppose that the decision was made by the Clinton gang to kill Jenny Moore. Word was sent down to this guy, not necessarily that she was going to be killed, but that her reputation needed to be attacked because she was going to come out with some damaging claims. So he pulled out one of his sockpuppets, Camulos, and did as he was told. Only because he was in a hurry, and because he's a lazy stoner, and especially because he quite likely didn't know what a big deal Jenny Moore was soon going to become, he didn't bother to back up his claims with any actual evidence. In keeping with his usual practice as Wisconsin_Is_Corrupt or HighLevelInsider, he just made vague accusations.

Would you care to comment on all this, @Camulos? I think you should.

Vindicator ago

Word was sent down to this guy, not necessarily that she was going to be killed, but that her reputation needed to be attacked because she was going to come out with some damaging claims. So he pulled out one of his sockpuppets, Camulos, and did as he was told.

Sorry, SST. You are wrong. Jem has been on that bot list since long before @Camulos started maintaining it: https://voat.co/v/news/2191196/10794152. There is no correlation between his posting of the list and Jem's alleged death, timingwise. His recent posting of the list was an update adding new names to the bottom of the list. I stickied it in v/pizzagate because we were getting a rash of shitposts from a number of the users on the list, in the same style as the bot net posters. He did not submit it to v/pizzagate himself, and had no idea there was any connection to Jenny Moore prior to last weekend (nor did I). I took down the bot sticky several days before any posts were made about her, in fact.

I find it very interesting that the only time you make a post, it is to associate or conflate yet another Voater to your own shill list.

SoberSecondThought ago

Okay, fair enough. I did not see the earlier reference to Jem. My mistake, and I'll admit that. Sorry to @Camulos for not understanding his more limited role in generating the list.

However, since I have you here, I need to ask: Have you now concluded that Jem was indeed Jenny? I was unsure myself when the news first broke, as I remarked to you. But I was persuaded by srayzie's evidence, such as the screenshot of her asking, "Are you Taskforce?" and Jem answering "Yes." So is your only remaining puzzle the question of whether she is actually dead?

Vindicator ago

No, I have yet to see definitive evidence that Jenny admitted to being Jem. I've seen a lot of evidence that Jem said she was Jenny on both Voat and Twitter. One user has said he spoke to her on Voat and then met her in person, but he could not provide anything more than his own personal testimony to that effect.

SoberSecondThought ago

One user has said he spoke to her on Voat and then met her in person, but he could not provide anything more than his own personal testimony to that effect.

Right, I saw that exchange, but then doesn't Occam's Razor kind of narrow it down here? Srayzie has a picture that she got from Jem of George Webb standing in the doorway of the Little Red Fox, just next door to Comet Pizza. She has long private texts from Jem saying that they went there together in December to intimidate Jimmy Comet after they started working together. And in George Webb's "Epilogue" regarding Jenny, he specifically says that he and Jenny/Taskforce had been working together for "eight or nine months" (For context, start listening at about 8:15, he says it at 8:40.)

Seems like there's not much room here for alternative hypotheses. I admit that Jem telling srayzie in December that she was Taskforce, and had just started working with Webb, when taken by itself could be a lie. But how did Jem manage to get a picture of George Webb at the Little Red Fox, on her own phone, dated Dec 15th, if she wasn't Jenny/Taskforce?

I realize that you and I have recently been developing a kind of a negative dynamic where I propose ideas to you, and you don't buy them -- but this is srayzie's story that I'm just repeating to you. I obviously disagree with srayzie on some things but I really can't argue with that photograph.

Vindicator ago

Srayzie has a picture that she got from Jem of George Webb standing in the doorway of the Little Red Fox, just next door to Comet Pizza.

I saw pictures of Webb. Did I miss a picture of Jenny and Webb? If Webb and Jem are working to subvert Jenny (and Webb today doxed the victim guy Jenny was supposedly helping out Bill Clinton as a boy rapist and claimed the guy was a sting operation implying he killed her), Jem providing pics of Webb doesn't prove anything.

On the other hand, from the sounds of the interview with Gritz, who told OAN she neither knew Jenny's identity nor saw any of her research, it may well be that Webb/Jenn/Jem were running a multiplatform psyop on Gritz herself. I find it fishy that the only place Jem/Jenny was held accountable for her claims -- v/pizzagate -- is the place she left when challenged, after of course making all kinds of claims of being victimized and attempting to round up a posse in retaliation.

I really don't know what is/was going on.

SoberSecondThought ago

Okay, so I agree that the sheer volume of stuff that George Webb puts out does render the story harder to follow. That has always been a problem with him, and I intend to come back to that. But again, in that same OAN piece, we have the anchor saying that the Prince George county police "released a statement" that they found a dead woman. Later in the story we have Robyn Gritz saying that she was contacted by a Prince George county detective using info found in the woman's effects, and that was when she found out her friend's full name was Jenny Moore. Right? So that's pretty strong evidence that a woman has died and her name was Jenny Moore. The same OAN clip shows a picture of Jenny Moore, and unless you want to argue that OAN is part of the scam, I think we have to take it as given that this is the woman who was found at the scene.

I saw pictures of Webb. Did I miss a picture of Jenny and Webb?

I think maybe you did. Aug 18th in Webb's Twitter timeline is a picture of him standing with the dead woman from the OAN broadcast, calling her Jenny Moore. So from George Webb's side of the story, I think we have to conclude that he did indeed work with a woman named Jenny Moore, who is now dead. And then given that minimum, I go back to Jem's photo of George Webb in December, vouched for by srayzie, and I also see no alternative to Jem being Jenny.

I hope to say more on the victim guy and general George Webb / Jem credibility problems in a separate note, maybe tomorrow. But just to ensure we're on the same page, I agree that Jem made a lot of unsupported claims, got into some pointless fights, and was quite rightly banned under the rules. Also, not that it really matters, but Jem didn't like my theories and was suspicious of me on the rare occasions we interacted. I'm not defending an ally here, just trying to get at the truth.

I don't know if her research into the Newport yacht case was sound, and I don't know if Webb's posthumous take on it is sound either. I'm not claiming she was a good researcher, just that she worked hard at it and clearly cared about it. Right now I'm just trying to establish whether Jenny Moore is dead (I think she is) and whether she was Jem (which I think she was). With those facts established, we might start to find our way out of this forest of confusion.

Vindicator ago

I agree, it sounds like Jenny is dead and she was working with Webb. I'm not positive that Jem is Jenny.

SoberSecondThought ago

Okay. But then apart from the other questions I've already raised, what was the objective when Jem told two people in private eight months ago that she was Jenny? Somehow she managed to go to Comet with George Webb and mess with Alefantis, making it possible for her to pose as Taskforce, who according to Webb was working with him starting at about that same time. Somehow George Webb never mentions this second woman who he went to Comet with, he only mentions Taskforce. But this other woman, Jem, realizes that it is possible for her to pretend to BE Taskforce using her photo of Webb, and she has some motive for doing that. And then the only person she uses the photo on is srayzie? And then she never, ever does anything more with that information but just leaves Voat, abandons the Jem/Mej identity, and leaves it up to srayzie's sole discretion to share the photo with us when Jenny dies? Who is she scamming by doing that? Srayzie? What does she get from doing that? Where does she get leverage or credibility if the photo just sits in srayzie's inbox?

You made a remark a while back about me getting too wrapped up in my theory and needing to just go take a walk or something. I took that in the helpful spirit it was intended. Let me return the favor. You've been criticized very heavily, and unfairly, over the past few days. People openly asking if you should be removed as mod has to suck. Apart from defending your own actions, you also want to maintain solidarity with the other mods, which I understand. And I'm sure you, just like me, are heartily sick of taking a stand and then having it proved wrong a day later.

But if you just step back from this whole mess, I think you'll see that THIS part of it is pretty straightforward. Jem may have been a malicious, disruptive, forum-wrecking idiot with no redeeming values. I think that's excessive, but for argument's sake grant that. Or we might grant the opposite, take RIPJem's point of view, and see her as a saint and a hero who was murdered by the Clintons. Again, we're a long way from proving that theory too. My point is motive doesn't matter here. What matters is that she gave those photos to srayzie in private and they stayed private until now. She didn't tell srayzie she was Jenny Moore, she told her she was Taskforce. And srayzie didn't tell anyone else. You can't build an identity scam on that, or a long con. There's no nefarious plan that can be constructed on that foundation. It just is what it is.

Vindicator ago

Sorry. I guess I missed where Jenny said she was in control of the Taskforce Twitter.

you, just like me, are heartily sick of taking a stand and then having it proved wrong a day later.

Not sure what "stand" "proved wrong" you are referring to, here. ?

SoberSecondThought ago

No stand in particular. I was speaking in general terms.