Indeed you can fake anything on a web browser with local javascript (e.g. plugin). He would need to give his FB password to a trusted third-party and have him login in and check, OR he would have to log into a trusted third-party computer (through VNC or whatever) and access his FB through there (the computer admin would be recording the desktop session).

The issue is one of trust. You cannot trust someone who speaks on YT, nor can you trust a computer you don't control. You could trust code, but you can't look at the code running on the guy's computer. You could however trust a third-party, who would have to be involved in the verification. That's the only way IMO without FB involvement (which would anyway also be a third-party).

Faking this would be a good way to publicize his t-shirts. But the value of his shirts come from the funny catch phrases he came up with (which you can copy and easily make/order your own shirts with). Plus he found/published that museum kill room stuff. So my two cents is he's telling the truth. If he's a shill, he's not good at his job.

You're probably james alefantis

You would be accusing him of brilliance then. This guy is not making bank, but I give him an A for effort. He would need to be smart enough to look dumb enough to seem smart enough yet appear too dumb to lie, but really being too dumb to have a motive to make it up. Its a pretty elaborate lie that really isn't that good of a lie. If someone was going to make this up, they would have done a much better job, and it would have been a much bigger lie/story.

The Pegasus video is out there.. they might stamp it out or erase if they feel the need? But for now I think it's mirrored and backed up.

Who knows for how long?

He definitley didn't have his head screwed on straight, going into this or how he handled it.

I don't believe it's a hoax: He's way too naive. And the work on the "killroom" is solid and very impressive to those who have seen it, I have heard.

I can't imagine someone so naive that they would apologize to Aleph. and not just hang up when he started threatening.

100% agree. Just like Seaman there is an agenda at work here.

edit but playing it off as profiteering is a pretty good play considering the heat I/others give seaman.

I am on board with you 100%.

"All I'm saying is don't be so quick to believe this. For all we know this guy could be staging this and trying to scare people or create fake news or who knows"

I haven't been here in a while, but this whole situation very much caught my attention and I'm compelled to respond.

Does this guy really expect us to believe that out of all the people who have likely tried to contact JA, he was the ONE lucky person to not only get a response, but also somehow manages to get him on the phone? I'm sorry, but this whole story is outlandish and highly implausible if you use logical reasoning. For those of you who think that this situation is simply too complex to be a hoax, nowadays this is a job that any technically apt person can do within a few hours. I also agree with those of you who find it strange how he chose not to record any subsequent conversations and also continues to post videos about this experience even though he was supposedly "threatened" by JA and forced to take down the previous posts for fear of his life. That is a pretty strong indication that this whole thing is a huge hoax.

Use your brains people! And shame on you PizzaGateGear for trying to profit off this issue!

This is no operation. This is as shocking to me as it is yall

The real threat was on the voice call. And it was where they planned the texting video.

This was actually why I was skeptical. The video just looked to establish where the basement digging pic was taken. Doesn't seem to be incriminating enough to respond with threats since the pic doesn't establish a crime or anything just a location of a possible basement and construction, right? Of course, maybe he does have something at the place worth protecting, but then again why respond to the vid and give it more attention?

"Give me your thoughts," that's an Alefantisism (cf. the original Pegasus video, the comment on the roof plan on Instagram). Kinda makes you think.

Guys, we don't know if this is is a hoax.

If it is a hoax, it is EXTREMELY elaborate and well done.

And, if it is a hoax, it was done to sell tshirts, but nobody is buying those shirts. I'm not. Nobody else here is (more or less). It is BIZARRE, in the extreme, for someone to go to this length, just to sell tshirts. There are better ways to make money.

And, finally: this guy did great research on Pegasus. That first Pegasus video is amazing. Now, ask yourself, whether this person did that video, which was amazing, and then faked an interview with JA, just to sell tshirts?

Does that make sense? It doesn't make sense. None of it makes sense. What the fuck is happening to this country.

Yes, and the Voat investigation seems to be pretty well advertised too via memes and links in other sites. I bet a lot of high profile folks are stalking here.

Those are definitely plausible angles. I would add that another possibility is that ITGOT is suffering from some sort of mental illness, and that this was a planned, elaborate and one-sided act to gain lots of attention and $.

I agree with what you said about the detail, and that it is reasonable to expect more. He's clearly not adverse to going into detail, as he goes into great detail with explaining the meaning of his and James's messages. James supposedly says many things which are emotionally charged. He should, as a result, be more likely to remember it. But perhaps he is trying to forget about it, and doesn't want to relive it by repeating it... because it was painful and scary to hear.

The last thing I want to go down in my life is having my hands duct taped to a table by a bitch. I wouldn't put it past jimmycomet to take out his frustrations on one of our buttholes. And drain the body into the soil of D.C.

1 the video doesn't prove anything

2 Ok let's say it was Alefantis. So what ?

Let's Focus on clinton fundation and Pegasus museum

But Alefantis didn't contact that guy. He contacted Alefantis initially. Right?

These are great questions.

related: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1541885

If that was Alefantis...

My initial gut feeling told me something was off with that video. I don't want to discredit him, but things just aren't adding up for me.

His verification don't me shit, watch this: https://youtu.be/osyhtJTg9eE

Fucking around with the HTML to reproduce video: https://youtu.be/osyhtJTg9eE Took me 30 seconds

I got the same message a few days ago

The main part that draws my attention, is that ISGOT is obviously trying to make money from pizza gate merchandise here. So the threats could be legitimate, or they could be made up for some (money making) attention. I watched his videos and agree with much of his research and opinions, but the fact he is openly trying to sell things obviously casts at least a little doubt on his story. Following on here for some of the more well versed computer experts opinions regarding veracity

I woke up today to the same thing and got pretty pissed off. Glad to see it's not just me

Proof?

I just got an email from https://voat.co/user/Vindicator . Pizzagateshills isn't associate with pizzagate.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1542062/7506896

I got the same thing!!! I even posted about it. Yes "armyseer" is totally a shill. Who can we contact about this?

I just woke up to this and my opinion without finishing watching this video and checking if others got this same vibe, is that they started posting about this channel I never heard of being removed yesterday on and tried to make it a thing. Now this video is suppose to make us feel like we can all be found. I notice Mods and others who are listed on v/pizzagate keep changing as they are called out but the big one I noticed today is Kevdude is missing. He stands out to me because he was always jumping in to reprimand us and delete posts. I haven't found out why yet but he was, what I think was fake doxxed yesterday and for all I know this guy is him trying to scare us....while selling shirts AND maybe getting info on people who buy them.

Ok. I asked him to make that video. He just made me believe him. Wow, this is surreal

You know what I also realized. He "threatens" this guy to take the video down but he posts the whole convo......without his number.

Of course this is fake/set-up, the fact that he claims he called with Alefantis says enough, not even to mention he claims he was actually threatened by him... Why in the world would Alefantis do this, if it would not benefit him?

Well I suggest you take a look.

Aslo, what is wrong with questioning things that don't add up to me?

I didn't accuse him of lying, I brought up what I believe are red flags.

I think he's genuine. I just think he's naive. You don't respond to a narcissist the way he did. He got submissive and Alefantis loved the power. I don't care about him selling shirts right now. The point is what's going on. I believe him and I feel bad for him

Right, to edit the name and profile picture, you have to right click and inspect those and replace the content with something else. I did it with "Somebody's Name" in my example screenshot.

You think Alefantis would actually make threats to someone after this whole scandal broke out KNOWING the person on the other line may be recording him??

Please ask yourselves these questions.

That is all I'm asking.

Jealous? I think the word is immoral

"they"

I want to believe but this isn't proof. In 30 seconds I reproduced this by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png

He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. That would convince me. If it's worth that much effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.

Is that you Jimmy Comet?

Well, you're doing your job well. You're making me question Voat altogether. If they won't delete a shill as obvious as you, then WTF is this place really all about?

No damned joke! Why the F is he still here? Makes me question this entire outfit.

Umm, violence? And what type of violence may I ask?

There is nothing wrong with violence when properly channeled. For example self-defense. Are you suggesting that all Pizzagate investigators should be whimpy wallflowers who will offer no resistance in the face of an assault?

Sorry, chap. That's not for me. I am well studied in Violence and it's lawful and proper applications. And I would suggest that you all do likewise. These are not peaceful people we are dealing with here. Wake up

armyseer is shilling hard. If you guys can't see it, you're fucking idiots. He has literally only tried to debase threads and attacked anything that is actually tangible in relation to Pizzagate.

In order for GoT conversation with JA to have been faked, you would have to accept that JA WANTS people to look harder into Pegasus. That is absolutely so damned improbable. WHY? Why would he want researchers looking harder into his properties???

The Alefantis texts seem to confirm the content of the phone calls, though. It definitely seems that Alefantis started out by threatening and only became more reasonable after he found out that Ryan was amenable to taking down the video in question.

I'm going to watch this one more time but how do you explain him not recording this? Is he playing along with this? Are we 100% it's his real facebook?

Regardless how did he not record this guy threatening him.

I had this thought also. The other thought I had was that I would 100%, 10/10 would bullshit you about having or not having that recording. I'd be so full of shit it would be a laxative company's crowning achievement to clear me out.

I have not seen any calls for violence do you have an examples? I think the last thing anyone here wants is violence of any kind.

this two guys have been trying to debunk isthisgameofthrones for weeks:

https://voat.co/user/armyseer

https://voat.co/user/jml1201

Verification in regards to?

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541175/7502424

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541850

so, this isnt enough proof? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMMm52CWxE&t=0s

@armyseer are you still trying to debunk GoT???? come on man, we already know you are the shill!

Ok maybeee I can understand for some reason you didn't record it the first time and that is a big maybe but the SECOND time? I'm having a real hard time with this. You did all this investigative work and didn't record him threatening you.