https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQxYQ49p0U&t=3s
Watch this video and then ask yourselves
This guy spoke to Alefantis TWICE and didn't record it? He even "threatens" this guy on the phone call we that was never recorded. This is the same guy trying to profit off this.
All I'm saying is don't be so quick to believe this. For all we know this guy could be staging this and trying to scare people or create fake news or who knows.
Give me your thoughts.
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throwawaa ago
I want to believe but this isn't proof. In 30 seconds I reproduced this by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png
He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. That would convince me. If it's worth that much effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.
Investigate1999 ago
Thank you for this!
nomorepepperoni ago
Doesn't that data clear when you close the browser?
Have him open a new browser, nuke settings and all caches within the browser, completely exit, then restart said browser and log into Facebook (he can blur his email on that screen). Then, open the nefarious chat and click Alefantis's name.
Even then, I could see someone cleverly editing a prerecorded video. Livestream this, perhaps, as well?
murphy212 ago
No, you can fake anything on a web browser with javascript (bookmarklet, plugin, etc.). He would need to give his FB password to a trusted third-party and have him login in and check, OR he would have to log into a trusted third-party computer (through VNC or whatever) and access his FB through there (the computer admin would be recording the desktop session).
The issue is one of trust. You cannot trust someone who speaks on YT, nor can you trust a computer you don't control. You could trust code, but you can't look at the code running on the guy's computer. You could however trust a third-party, who would have to be involved in the verification. That's the only way IMO without FB involvement (which would anyway also be a third-party).
Faking this would be a good way to publicize his t-shirts. But the value of his shirts come from the funny catch phrases he came up with (which you can copy and easily make/order your own shirts with). Plus he found/published that museum kill room stuff. So my two cents is he's telling the truth. If he's a shill, he's not good at his job.
throwawaa ago
That would convince me, but ONLY if it's a live stream so he can't edit the video. Video editing is super easy nowadays.
angryindividual ago
Where's YOUR proof of recreating that?
http://archive.is/IQFgG - Here debunk this archived link of facebook.com/james.alefantis
Investigate1999 ago
That's not a chat window.[edit: never mind; I now see that you guys are communicating]He has already demonstrated how to do it by showing us his image.
throwawaa ago
Just follow the steps I suggested. Here's a tutorial for the Inspect tool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWL2d9bGPk
Here's what it looks like in this case: http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png
(If people really wanted I could make a pair of fake facebook accounts and do this myself on video, but I don't want to give away my identity.)
angryindividual ago
No, burden of proof isn't on me. Sorry, but you didn't even acknowledge the direct link to James' profile. Geez. Wonder why.
throwawaa ago
Sorry, I acknowledge the link to his profile. I'm not saying that the profile was fake. I'm just saying I can easily edit the link in the chat box to point to whatever profile you want. Same with the name and image on the chat box, if you wanted to.
Right click the link, click Inspect, and you see this: http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png You can edit that url to point to whoever's profile you want, and then do what he did in his proof video.
(didn't mean to make you more angry)
angryindividual ago
You're not understanding. You cannot archive a fake profile because of Inspect Element. That's what I'm proving. Also, I'm only angry 'cause I've seen you several times now continually insisting this point; it is erroneous though. Surely you can see my suspicion. Hope this is elaborated.
http://archive.is/IQFgG CANNOT. ARCHIVE. A. FAKED. PROFILE.
throwawaa ago
When he made the video, the profile had not been deleted yet, presumably. I'm not saying the james.alefantis profile is fake. I'm saying it's easy to edit the link in one of your chat boxes in facebook to point to whatever profile you want, and thus do what he did in his proof video, even if you weren't actually chatting with that profile.
nomorepepperoni ago
Hopping on the bandwagon to confirm this can be done. This isn't questioning the profile, it's questioning if he cleverly modified data under Inspect Element to fool us into thinking he spoke with the real JA.
This said, the profile deletion can't be a coincidence, either. I'm leaning towards "trust, but verify" on this one, personally, and keep looking for ways this could still be an increasingly clever hoax.
throwawaa ago
Well it seems the james.alefantis profile is back up now. I wonder how long it was down for. Do we have an archive link to prove that it was actually taken down temporarily?
https://www.facebook.com/james.alefantis http://archive.is/km0O7
throwawaa ago
Good point, the fact that the facebook profile was apparently deleted immediately after he posted that proof video would indicate that someone is watching this discussion and reacting to it. Whether it was Alefantis who deleted it, or someone else who hacked it to be redirected, I don't know.
angryindividual ago
Thanks for further elaborating, now that I can agree upon. However, one or the other would have already had to initiate conversation and exchange at least bits of dialogue to further edit them. Point being, they still actually conversed.
throwawaa ago
Except, he could have the chat with any facebook profile -- i.e. he could create a fake profile with the same name and profile photo, do both sides of the chat himself, and then edit this link for the proof video. That would only take a few minutes to do.
Throwthisaway33 ago
Chiming in to say you are absolutely right. I'm not saying this isn't legit, but everything I've seen could be faked with time and effort
Investigate1999 ago
Exactly. We're talking about the CIA. They write their own cheques.
SpikyAube ago
Wait, you think this Ryan guy is CIA?
Investigate1999 ago
How would you like it, if I posted a video about interviewing you, and you admitting to being a pedophile? You would have never admitted it, and I might never have actually interviewed you, but if the evidence looks exactly the same as in the video, then the community is going to believe me.
Don't you feel a bit concerned about safety?
SpikyAube ago
But if it was faked, then the evidence wouldn't look exactly as it does in the video.
Investigate1999 ago
Why wouldn't it? Faked evidence looks real.
Investigate1999 ago
No, no, no. I'm saying that he could be in a weird scenario. Remember that the CIA overthrows democracies, and the shills are highly paid to focus on derailing the investigation. They have money, technology, and training.
I don't understand why we would allow investigators to make claims without proof.
SpikyAube ago
Yes I agree proof would be best, but I think that this guy is believable, in my opinion, and I think it would be wrong to completely dismiss him and say you have no proof therefore you're lying. We aren't a court of law and we don't need hard evidence, we can say, well there's always the possibility that it's fake, but because I'd rather accidentally believe someone who was making this up than dismiss someone who was terrified and had done something a bit silly and had no idea what to do and was hoping that by telling the community they'd have some protection, I'm going to choose to believe him and give him support.
Investigate1999 ago
I don't think that anybody is saying that.
We can give him support to be safe, but we shouldn't support him to the point, where you start believing everything. He has way too much voice in this forum.