IMPORTANT regarding the Pegasus video (pizzagate)

submitted ago by jml1201

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQxYQ49p0U&t=3s Watch this video and then ask yourselves

This guy spoke to Alefantis TWICE and didn't record it? He even "threatens" this guy on the phone call we that was never recorded. This is the same guy trying to profit off this.

All I'm saying is don't be so quick to believe this. For all we know this guy could be staging this and trying to scare people or create fake news or who knows.

Give me your thoughts.

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throwawaa ago

I want to believe but this isn't proof. In 30 seconds I reproduced this by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png

He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. That would convince me. If it's worth that much effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.

angryindividual ago

Where's YOUR proof of recreating that?

http://archive.is/IQFgG - Here debunk this archived link of facebook.com/james.alefantis

throwawaa ago

Just follow the steps I suggested. Here's a tutorial for the Inspect tool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWL2d9bGPk

Here's what it looks like in this case: http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png

(If people really wanted I could make a pair of fake facebook accounts and do this myself on video, but I don't want to give away my identity.)

angryindividual ago

No, burden of proof isn't on me. Sorry, but you didn't even acknowledge the direct link to James' profile. Geez. Wonder why.

throwawaa ago

Sorry, I acknowledge the link to his profile. I'm not saying that the profile was fake. I'm just saying I can easily edit the link in the chat box to point to whatever profile you want. Same with the name and image on the chat box, if you wanted to.

Right click the link, click Inspect, and you see this: http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png You can edit that url to point to whoever's profile you want, and then do what he did in his proof video.

(didn't mean to make you more angry)

angryindividual ago

You're not understanding. You cannot archive a fake profile because of Inspect Element. That's what I'm proving. Also, I'm only angry 'cause I've seen you several times now continually insisting this point; it is erroneous though. Surely you can see my suspicion. Hope this is elaborated.

http://archive.is/IQFgG CANNOT. ARCHIVE. A. FAKED. PROFILE.

throwawaa ago

When he made the video, the profile had not been deleted yet, presumably. I'm not saying the james.alefantis profile is fake. I'm saying it's easy to edit the link in one of your chat boxes in facebook to point to whatever profile you want, and thus do what he did in his proof video, even if you weren't actually chatting with that profile.

angryindividual ago

Thanks for further elaborating, now that I can agree upon. However, one or the other would have already had to initiate conversation and exchange at least bits of dialogue to further edit them. Point being, they still actually conversed.

throwawaa ago

Except, he could have the chat with any facebook profile -- i.e. he could create a fake profile with the same name and profile photo, do both sides of the chat himself, and then edit this link for the proof video. That would only take a few minutes to do.

Throwthisaway33 ago

Chiming in to say you are absolutely right. I'm not saying this isn't legit, but everything I've seen could be faked with time and effort

Investigate1999 ago

Exactly. We're talking about the CIA. They write their own cheques.

SpikyAube ago

Wait, you think this Ryan guy is CIA?

Investigate1999 ago

How would you like it, if I posted a video about interviewing you, and you admitting to being a pedophile? You would have never admitted it, and I might never have actually interviewed you, but if the evidence looks exactly the same as in the video, then the community is going to believe me.

Don't you feel a bit concerned about safety?

SpikyAube ago

But if it was faked, then the evidence wouldn't look exactly as it does in the video.

Investigate1999 ago

Why wouldn't it? Faked evidence looks real.

Investigate1999 ago

No, no, no. I'm saying that he could be in a weird scenario. Remember that the CIA overthrows democracies, and the shills are highly paid to focus on derailing the investigation. They have money, technology, and training.

I don't understand why we would allow investigators to make claims without proof.

SpikyAube ago

Yes I agree proof would be best, but I think that this guy is believable, in my opinion, and I think it would be wrong to completely dismiss him and say you have no proof therefore you're lying. We aren't a court of law and we don't need hard evidence, we can say, well there's always the possibility that it's fake, but because I'd rather accidentally believe someone who was making this up than dismiss someone who was terrified and had done something a bit silly and had no idea what to do and was hoping that by telling the community they'd have some protection, I'm going to choose to believe him and give him support.

Investigate1999 ago

I think it would be wrong to completely dismiss him and say you have no proof therefore you're lying.

I don't think that anybody is saying that.

We can give him support to be safe, but we shouldn't support him to the point, where you start believing everything. He has way too much voice in this forum.