https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQxYQ49p0U&t=3s
Watch this video and then ask yourselves
This guy spoke to Alefantis TWICE and didn't record it? He even "threatens" this guy on the phone call we that was never recorded. This is the same guy trying to profit off this.
All I'm saying is don't be so quick to believe this. For all we know this guy could be staging this and trying to scare people or create fake news or who knows.
Give me your thoughts.
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jml1201 ago
Ok maybeee I can understand for some reason you didn't record it the first time and that is a big maybe but the SECOND time? I'm having a real hard time with this. You did all this investigative work and didn't record him threatening you.
starrydust ago
So, there is the possibility that he was advised by the police not to broadcast that he recorded it.
But, assuming that is not the case, then I think there is something suspicious about it. Before he called him the first time, he said that he thought "oh my god, should I get some recording software for my phone?” So it did occur to him to record it...
I get that, the first time, he was under pressure to call him within the 10 seconds. But, the second time, he had plenty of time to think it over, and had just heard 2+ minutes of ranting and threats to his life and his loved ones. He said that he was really scared, but doesn’t express much remorse or regret for not recording the calls (first one, a bit. Second one, none at all)? Wouldn't anyone of a reasonable nature, after a traumatic experience like that, feel shaken and regretful about not recording it... and be kicking themselves mentally & emotionally for not capturing this evidence, which is of a huge and personal nature?
He has created videos documenting the evidence of Pizzagate on Youtube, and so is not new to the Pizzagate investigation. I presume that he knew that people have died investigating Pizzagate, and knew the importance of gathering evidence. He stated this before the first call and yet, didn't think to record the second? Which also contained a death threat - “he assured me that I would die if I didn’t take this video down.”
samhara ago
What I can't understand is how he let the guy threaten him and did not hang up the phone. And went back to talk more.
Stockholm Syndrome. Everybody's got it. That's part of the problem.
Sandy008 ago
And really, is Alefantis so stupid that he would threaten the lives of someone's family without knowing whether or not the stranger on the phone is recording the conversation? I don't think so. Alefantis is no idiot. He's probably a psychopath, and they are endowed with intelligence and cunning.
samhara ago
That part doesn't bother me. Aleph set love to do FEATS. He could just say he was joking and the guy was stalking him , and they would let it go.
Also, it's against the law to record someone unless you inform them. So Aleph had all that covered.
micha_ ago
Thank you for being sceptical. There were a few things that didn't fit. He was not wondering, how Alefantis got the pics of his girlfriend and mother. He received a death threat. That is enough for everyone, to go to police. Blackmail with illegally aquired photos by Alefantis? Police would instruct, how to call him once more and what to say, to make him repeat the threats. But this guy is not interested at all to involve law enforcement...
And finally: after receiving death threats torwards himself, his mother and gf, he doesn't forget to advertise his pizzagate-shop...
samhara ago
Thing is: Maybe I'm being punked. But not going to the police is not a red flag to me.
The police are just going to say, One person's word against another. That's how it goes. Plus they are protecting Aleph..
Didn't anyone get that far yet?
micha_ ago
If you , your mother and your GF are threatened, you would stay at home and not call the police? Sure... And you would not forget to think about your webshop and smile... Sure.
samhara ago
I think money and support would be important at that moment. I would need $200 at least to buy a bullet proof vest.
And I would deserve it for the work I did, for zero pay.
Also, I would not call the police - since I already know what they would do. It's one person's word against another, and the whole society is on the side of Aleph.
The police have already shown they are protecting him.
If you called the police they would come and arrest you for harassment.
If you think the police are going to protect you, I have a rainbow unicorn for you to buy over at "Comet Ping - Pong" / all ages venue.
micha_ ago
You would. Believe me! The world is not, like you kids imagine it.
His behaviour (and the behaviour of alleged Alefantis) just doesn't make ANY sense. Zero. Zilch.
brbomglolwtfbbq ago
I don't think going to the police with the death threat is the best idea... All law enforcement agencies are compromised.
starrydust ago
Yeah, I found the last bit a bit disconcerting. He switches emotions rapidly - from pleading, almost begging us to not go… to then becoming light-hearted and smiling, and in an apparently genuine way.
“Check out pizzagategeaer.com. Look at my shirts” and then “keep up the good fight.” It's interesting, because just a few moments before, he said “Do not go to this location… this isn’t our fight. This isn’t our battle.” He conveys that we should place our trust in law enforcement agencies instead... Well, have they been shown to be trustworthy so far? (Remember James's text, “the FBI liked your videos?”)
samhara ago
"Place our trust in law enforcement" Then doesn't go to the police?. psht.
SpikyAube ago
Well, he was talking to the guy on Facebook, so presumably JA got the pictures from his Facebook profile or from googling his name. I don't think he can be written off quickly just because he mentioned his shop at the end. The interactions do not look faked to me, because there are misunderstandings and bits where someone asks a question, then asks another or says something else before the other person responds to the first question, so it looks a bit out of sync in places, like how happens with real conversations. I'm not sure he would have thought to include little details like that if making up a whole conversation.
micha_ ago
I agree, that the interactions really looked convincing. Especially the behaviour of "Alefantis". But after so many years learning to develop a sense for implausible "news", the alarm went on and therefore I can not trust this youtuber.
starrydust ago
This could be an act involving more than one person. There could be another person playing James's role, and as such, that would account for the lack of sync. So in a way, it is a real conversation.
SpikyAube ago
What would the purpose be?
jml1201 ago
and that is another great point.