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A lot of times, yeah... of course. And you guys, basically every time, take the bait.

So here is my understanding of the problem.

Vote manipulation was defined at reddit. Apparently everyone is assumed to understand reddit's rules. When we join here, there is no mention of obeying reddit's rules, and there is no definition of what the rules are. However, when the algorithm flags us, we are accused of breaking rules that were never explained or written down.

Isn't it also Voat manipulation? 🤔🤔🤔

No prior warnings before the ban?

Well part of it is that when there were issues Putt was able to figure them out rather quickly and make amends. This time he stated that he looked over it after hearing people complain but saw no errors.

Im not saying it's impossible but it seems highly unlikely. I've also experienced a lot of strange shit surrounding the SBBH inner crew. This doesn't surprise me whatsoever and I feel it's been a long time coming.

Either way, Putt stated that the warnings were not given in error. I've acknowledged that Putt has made mistakes and that he generally makes them right. He apologized to you.

He didn't apologize to Ronin. There was no error there. Yet Ronin continues to try and play it off that way. Putt specifically said he looked into the warnings and that they were all proper...

I'm sick of you kikes lying.

True.

I keep rereading Putts answers and something ain’t right. Spider sense is blaring warnings.

Your data is just soft deleted ;-)

Nothing wrong with that! Always good to have an opinion.

Wouldn’t he!

Yeah that happened months ago kike. He didn't apologize this time. He simply said that the warnings may have been for behavior done months ago and that the users might not be actively doing it right now.

You fucking morons act like people don't read anything around here.

I recommended a mass notification or sticky saying, “oops, my bad, live with it”. But he skipped over that comment.

All programmers fuck up but not coming clean and then doubling down on that we are “all” violators is crap. Not all people are. I might be ... but won’t admit it.

Look at this:

Putt:

No, I didn't make a mistake that hasn't already been fixed. If you got a warning you got one for a reason. There was no mistakes on warnings.

Context:

I was saying that he should have been careful with new features in code. His reply is not about code problems.

On site this big, yes, you definitely use a test server.

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"sexually suggestive content involving minors" A person who posts nothing but loli and rape porn posts a fetish clip of a real child being beaten and raped to a porn collection. Then all the pedo shills come out like cockroaches to defend them.

"Its not real" "Its okay to be posted to a porn sub" "Its legal"

You are a fucking joke and I am going to enjoy exposing you with this.

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no children were harmed in the making of the movie. i don't know why you can't separate fantasy from reality. that's something you should talk to your doctor about. your assumptions about what will happen don't matter. the rules of the site do.

Its amazing you post this after your stalwart defense of that content being posted to a porn sub not being wrong. Its like you are begging people to think of you as nothing more than a pedophile.

User Agreement - Protect Kids: You agree not to post any child pornography or sexually suggestive content involving minors.

You are still here defending the posting of that material to a collection of pornographic material. I have also already made plenty of statements about how such posting can be used to by the Feds to press charges based on Obscenity laws. Laws which I am happy you are so dismissive of, it will make it easier to lock you up if you get vanned.

Ehh you can call me a liar all you want but anyone who reads that can see the truth about how you tried to manipulate your arguments to defend your position of thinking that the material is perfectly fine to be posted to a porn sub.

So you want me to accept that "unless it is against us federal law, it is acceptable on this site" As your answer to whether or not a video clip showing a little girl being beaten and raped being posted to a porn sub is perfectly fine and not the sign of the poster and his defenders being sick fucked up pedohpiles?

Thank you for making you position on the matter clearer.

I think by now anyone who reads this will know exactly what you are and where your morality lies.

the point is that it doesn't violate anything. you keep saying it does like it's true, but it's not. it's still on the site if the author doesn't remove it. there's no deflection. this is as straight forward as a person can be. i'm telling you exactly what i think. the law and the tos are the deciding factors. not your butthurt.

@Puttitout lets get the admins take on in. Any decent human being knows its wrong and would violate the User Agreement.

How am I lying about something you just posted?

Why do you and Dortex refuse to answer that simple question?

Is that because the answer would either prove all your previous statements on the matter to be false, or it would expose you as being in support of morally reprehensible content that violates the User Agreement? I think we both know the answer, its why you both deflect so hard when you get pressed on the matter.

We're banning people over meaningless imaginary internet points now

That first and second section was and answer to your question of where the standard is as well as food for thought about why you got banned and so many involved in "support" of Dortex got banned, hence why I stated "if you knew who was doing what."

I just like many others on this site dont have the answer about what decided who got banned, but based on what we know from Putt those that got spanked had something that made them look suspect, I gave examples of why I think you got hit.

I did not tell you do do anything other than to RE-EVALUATE who you consider a friend and gave you reasons why to do so. Something got you banned, only you can really ask yourself what that was.

what others do is not my problem. what i do is my problem

So you have an opportunity to say that posting explicit content involving minors to porn subs is wrong but you go and defend the posting of content that violated Voat's User Agreement, using the exact same weak defenses for it as Dortex. You act like it was the entire movie being posted, but there was no dialog or context, just the violence and rape of little girl.

the first bit isn't actually true, as i've shown.

Since Dortex refuses to answer this simple question maybe you have the balls or honesty to do so, do you think that if you posted that same clip to a porn sub while leaving it up not self deleted you would not get punished for violating Voat's User Agreement?

So is it morally wrong and against the rules of Voat or not?

Previous bans have not given warnings that I know of so that bit is irrelevant. The fact that the script targeted you for a ban means there must have been something to trigger it. Now that you got un-banned the question changes.

Were you engaged in upvoting an account that was engaged in brigading? or downvoting an account that was targeted for brigading? I am sure you would be honest enough to say yes to that if you knew who was doing what. Why was one "side" nearly completely banned on the first pass and not the other side? A sign of malicious actions being tied to someone on that side?

So what accounts that you got linked to are bad or doing bad stuff? That is why I brought up that you should re-evaluate who you consider a friend.

To give you an idea of my stance on the topic drawings are drawings and don't necessarily impact ones views on real life. For instance I advocated for Aged to be un-banned from gaming because making a ruling change on spam after a ban is bullshit, even though I wanted Aged banned site-wide for posting pictures from those "European child modeling agencies" I called out the unfair application of the spam rule.

Do you think that when Fuark posted a fetish rape video involving a real child to a porn sub he did something wrong and that content involving real minors is wrong?

Because Dortex does not think such media being posted to a porn sub is wrong and he has been hell bent on building up a brigade and spam wave against people who spoke out against that media. He has caught a bunch of you up in his bullshit often using the same tactics TOO uses while he bitches about that. By the way I think TOO is stupid and spammy in his bullshit aswell.

Being a part of a brigade, you should really start to re-evaluate who on this site you consider a friend. There are people who like drawings and that is fine, and then there are real pedos trying to hide among you and manipulate you to advance their agenda.

I think Dortex (who still refuses to speak out against media involving real children) got a lot of you banned.

I got one of these messages, and I only have ever had the one Voat account.

Dude I got blocked from liking comments on Facebook for 24 hours. So is that it? We can vote on comments but are limited in how many? Why? It's voat? Isn't that a play on vote? Shouldn't a user be okay to vote on every single submission and comment if he wants? I mean I don't take it that far, but I believe the voting is one of the best parts of the board so I use it regularly.... I think of it almost like my duty to vote on stuff on voat.....

If that’s vote brigading, then I won’t be here long

I agree. You should go. You’re still on your period I see.

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https://voat.co/v/RidersoftheReich/about/log/submission

@kevdude is a power mod who deletes comments & submissions, claims its something he has never done under the wrong.

@kevdude uses /v/protectvoat to downvoat users and brigade subverses. he continuously lies about me because he is paid to do it.

and fucking lies 95% of the time, you can see he as in almost bot like attack c&p the same message to me over and over

He even ask for quote in his words "my services" to brigade a verse. he works along side of @crensch who is also a paid shill.

-dial

ppppppooof

https://voat.co/v/Voat/3235210/18762031/10#18762031

https://voat.co/v/whatever/3234217/18761989/10#18761989

https://voat.co/v/whatever/3234217/18761974/10#18761974

https://voat.co/v/Voat/3235210/18762319

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3239444

and generally happens within seconds of my postings.... will PIA protect me from that puttitout, fucking sellout

kevdud bots

and he never has a real argument, I guarantee is a paid shill, much like crensch at this point

and dial was never a main... more lies you spineless cunt botter

[–] kevdude 0 points (+0|-0) 1.5 hours ago

If you get downvoted you get restricted.

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No, but I got a good bit of points back this morning...

That can only mean one thing. Am I being brigade every day?... Nah, must be a glitch in the algorithm.

To be fair, that may have been enough to catch the algorithm

It's still bullshit

Are you using alt accounts you faggot?

Yes let's talk about vote manipulation. Can't tell you how many times I'll suddenly get a reply to a comment in a thread weeks after the discussion had long died. Only to see that that reply i had just received is already getting upvoted while everything else in the thread isn't.

People use dark corners for vote farming and manipulation. Others just blend in to the noise in a busy thread. Either way it's a problem and likely always will be a problem.

Forget it, Bro. This is some Google level shit.

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/about/log/comment

https://voat.co/v/RidersoftheReich/about/log/submission

@kevdude is a power mod who deletes comments & submissions, claims its something he has never done under the wrong.

@kevdude uses /v/protectvoat to downvoat users and brigade subverses. he continuously lies about me because he is paid to do it.

and fucking lies 95% of the time, you can see he as in almost bot like attack c&p the same message to me over and over

He even ask for quote in his words "my services" to brigade a verse. he works along side of @crensch who is also a paid shill.

-dial

ppppppooof

https://voat.co/v/Voat/3235210/18762031/10#18762031

https://voat.co/v/whatever/3234217/18761989/10#18761989

https://voat.co/v/whatever/3234217/18761974/10#18761974

https://voat.co/v/Voat/3235210/18762319

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3239444

and generally happens within seconds of my postings.... will PIA protect me from that puttitout, fucking sellout

kevdud bots

and he never has a real argument, I guarantee is a paid shill, much like crensch at this point

and dial was never a main... more lies you spineless cunt botter

[–] kevdude 0 points (+0|-0) 1.5 hours ago

If you get downvoted you get restricted.

Nope, because I don't manipulate votes like you do.. Not a huge surprise though.. I like how you play innocent though when you get caught, what a clever strategy.. You'll have to be more careful from now on..

If:

You think you or someone else is being brigaded and you respond by using alt accounts to "correct the record"
You are using multiple alt accounts to vote on the same posts or comments for any reason You are using multiple alt accounts to play SBBH games with vote totals You are using multiple alt accounts to downvote peods You are using multiple alt accounts to downvote Jews You are using multiple alt accounts to downvote and hide shills You are using multiple alt accounts to upvote posts you think were downvoted unfairly, whatever reason or people who downvoted them

You ARE engaging in vote manipulation and you need to stop.

That appears to be an accurate assessment. No evidence has been given, only "conclusions" assumptions and vague innuendos.

If you post on soapdox you deserve to be banned

Put also said the bans cover conduct since March, so it's a flawed assumption that one conversation and its related vote casting were enough to trigger the warning. He said there are 10 metrics.

I don't fully understand what the codes mean. One of those users was someone I suspected of downvoat brigading to suppress content in the past, however.

Because the only downvoating I did this week was in a flame war with GA mods. I’ve been largely inactive other than that.

To be fair, that may have been enough to catch the algorithm. However, those I was arguing with got a builder post.

Were you downvoating everything they said? Were they downvoating everything you said? i.e. Same behavior but different outcome? Were they warned?

Drawing conclusions on spotty information is never a great idea. I would like a clear definition of "vote brigading". I think a lot of people would. It ought to be in the user agreement.

Based on this thread I must be doing something wrong because I've never been warned or banned. Why don't the algorithms notice me!?

My account is on very good boy status!

You are saying that Putt is going after goats who are anti-Q? Where's the evidence for that?

If you got hit with a ban you almost certainly deserved it. If you got hit with a warning you probably deserved a ban. You faggots have been gaming this website for too long, you know who you are and you know what you are doing.

If anything I wish putt banned everybody who got warnings.

It looks like that at least one user was flagged for upvoting himself while he has less than 2 upvotes per comment .... i don't get how this is some punishable vote manipulation . Making a single alt to some times upvote yourself is moronic .

As someone who also has less than 2 upvotes per comment and a uses TOR this is worrying .

That's cause youre a mixed race mutt OP..

I told you we shouldn't have done anal. Fortunately I had lube. It was actually antifreeze in a snack-sized zip lock bag, but yeah. You'll be fine, probably.

I got a warning, but was kinda expecting it for DV hammering spam accounts.

Anyone who upvotes me gets this....the system should have included this tid bit of info.

Thanks for the upvote ! 2 more and Putt has to buy me lunch.

Yes. I got it and sent a reply asking why I got it.

Why does age matter?

SBBH fag. I am Jack's utter lack of surprise.

I got the warning too. Guess I was a naughty li'l goat. . .

Meh

Yes. My previous account got banned for no reason at all. I didn't find out about it right away, because I was working. Then I couldn't contact anyone with that account. I started a new account I couldn't do much of anything with until I got some points. All my attempts to contact Putt or anyone were ignored.

I am @whitemail

Thats what you get for using iphone... /OrwellianAndroidMasterRace

rekt u SBBH shill

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I was apparently suspicious enough too. I'm not entirely sure what constitutes vote manipulation here.

Voat is officially zogged bullshit. See y’all on poal

I had an account banned before because I like to parody shit heads here... as this account shows. I didn't care because I'll just make another parodying someone else.

This isn't the first time @puttitout has mass banned people. Voat is slowly becoming digging 3.0 aka reddit 2.0.

There's other free speech sites out there I recommend you checking out.

Got me curious now, examples of vote manipulation? What subs, what are they upvoting, downvoting? Can't say I pay too much attention to the voting, and can't imagine why someone would go through the effort of doing it on voat, didn't think voat had reached a big enough size for someone to bother.

I tried to message him but I’m banned. What in the tuck is going on lately putt? Jesus christ get your shit together

Yeah he banned my roommate, shit’s fucked

Yep. GLOBALLY BANNED.

I got the warning message, and I both deserved the warning and it could be because I was a target of a significant group of the pedos that got banned. As for the deserving it bit it might have been spats with Joe_McCarthy and his alt who also got banned.

I'm sad.

I didn't get one.

Wheres my warning putt?

What timezone do you live in? Looks like your time and date stamp is a little off.

I was banned. He unbanned me and apologized. I think it was some sort of coding error that was meant to vote the manipulators, not the victims.

I did once. I assume it is because I consistently downvoat the bots. messaged back that downvoats cast in disagreement or in protest are not manipulation.

We banned a bunch of accounts today and sent a tremendous amount of warnings.

I did accidently run a batch with a bad config setting and had to manually reverse things.

I think many that got warnings today may be from things up to two months ago.

We don't check warnings like we do bans, so you can get a warning pretty easily but it's nothing to worry about, just a way of us saying "hey, your account showed up on the naughty report."

I got banned a while back. I messaged Putt and he restored the account. Took less than a day.

I found it really funny that someone would assume I give enough of a shit about the internet, or voting in general, to "manipulate" it. Only shit I've manipulated has been the up and down arrows the web designer gave me.

Whatever, Law of Creeping Connected Crap - anything plugged into a network slowly morphs into densely packed excrement.

This is the account I made for my father. I'm hijacking it temporarily. My account is now globally banned. I have one account. Literally one, nearly 4 years old. What in the fuck? @voat @puttitout @peaceseeker

That time Putt first banned a buncha people for vote manipulation a guy said "hey I didn't do shit" and they restored his full account or whatever. So if you are not guilty just appeal and hang in there, I imagine there's a way to sort it out.

poal.co

Not sure I'm experienceing. What you are.... but, I've noticed many of my comments go unnoticed until someone does, then they go back and down vote every comment I've ever made. Assuming that's mere coincidence.. I really don't care

I caught it too.