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PuttItOut ago

We banned a bunch of accounts today and sent a tremendous amount of warnings.

I did accidently run a batch with a bad config setting and had to manually reverse things.

I think many that got warnings today may be from things up to two months ago.

We don't check warnings like we do bans, so you can get a warning pretty easily but it's nothing to worry about, just a way of us saying "hey, your account showed up on the naughty report."

Durm ago

Does that mean with respect to your script as a whole that I did do something, but maybe two months ago?

PuttItOut ago

Yes. The last time we did manipulation bans was end of March, so this run covered that point forward.

Durm ago

So I did something you considered manipulation.

PuttItOut ago

I don't consider it manipulation, it is manipulation. You don't ever show up on this report unless you are targeting another inorganically.

Warnings are used when one or more metrics don't absolutely confirm manipulation, i.e. maybe there was a long convo people had and they hated each other for days of back and forth arguing.

WhiteRonin ago

The like I have said your algorithm is off even though said it isn’t. Too many here are saying things are not adding up. Lots of alt holding denying so this explanation doesn’t work.

Low threshold of 1: you gotta be minding me right?

Hardly any voting against other users doesn’t match what you just said.

And you claim your code is clean. God, I wish everyone I work with can make this very same claim and I don’t see you holding jobs that included Apple and Intel. Sorry, but programmers make mistakes. Shit happens. Everyone knows this.

Dortex ago

For the record: What's your first language?

WhiteRonin ago

G.o.a.t

Dortex ago

Fine. Don't tell me. :(

WhiteRonin ago

English but I’m not that good at it ;-)

WhiteRonin ago

I speak goat my friend!

Fateswebb ago

This is not true. I have absolutely never "manipulated" votes short of clicking the little up arrow and as such adding a single vote. You have false detects bud, it's not cool to say we "vote manipulated" when we did no such thing EVER. Check your scripts it's false flagging people. Not cool.

Goys-R-Us ago

Warnings are used when one or more metrics don't absolutely confirm manipulation, i.e. maybe there was a long convo people had and they hated each other for days of back and forth arguing.

How is that even close to manipulation? Is there something else there or are you just against people vehemently arguing and shitposting back and forth? Honestly the more I read the more confusing it gets.

Fateswebb ago

Hahaha so this was why I was flagged? FOR USING VOAT? give me a f**in break man.. so what if you have a long ass argument with some shill on a comment thread? WHAT THE HECK IS THIS PLACE EVEN FOR IF NOT ARGUING WITH BONEHEADS? 🙄 voat is quickly losing it's value.

WhiteRonin ago

Not exactly. I haven’t been down voting many people even my favorite assholes as much as I used to.

NeedleStack ago

Warnings are used when one or more metrics don't absolutely confirm manipulation, i.e. maybe there was a long convo people had and they hated each other for days of back and forth arguing.

Then you have a terribly-made metric on your hands because arguments like that happen on voat often and those users don't warrant getting caught up in the dragnet.

Goys-R-Us ago

Thanks NeedleStack. I caught that hypocrisy as well. Who gives a shit if people argue on voat? My guess is the new investor that wants a publicly presentable website, i.e. PC.

kjlashas893890 ago

notice he says inorganically.... So lets say I ask 5 friends...hell lets say just 3 to downvoat a user comments section. Totally organic right? @puttitout

Oh wait that happened to me.

you think I liked waking up early and spend 30 minutes offsetting the nightly brigades

I've watch accounts flat just leave the site from it.... does that not constitute abuse?

Do YOU putt have ANY FUCKING idea how many accounts I have lost due to downvoat brigades???????????

fuck off you liar, selective enforcement

needle, hi its nice to hear from you

-dial

Fateswebb ago

I have never asked or even talked to another user about up or downvoting together false detect... Right here. How many shills we're false detected or banned? Or is it only legit users being tagged?

WhiteRonin ago

Bingo!

So, I’m gonna get pegged again because I just upvoated @andrew_jackson when I normally down vote that ass. This would be inorganic interaction. Lol!

I will not up vote @tallest_skil

Fateswebb ago

TS is even a legit account though.. not that I agree with him, but he is legit.

Tallest_Skil ago

Why would anyone care what a rice cooker does?

WhiteRonin ago

Fine, I pinged you and you get this one for free today.

PuttItOut ago

Needles you never resist punching do you?

It's pretty complicated, and with any statistical outcome there is always a margin of error. You know this right?

NeedleStack ago

I gave a valid criticism to the metric and you in turn make a personal insult and then further patronize me. Nice.

Yeah, there is a margin of error and because of that, there should be no action taken toward people's accounts but a flag on your end to further investigate.

Users are going to get their longtime accounts banned because of this bad algorithm and that is serious.

Stop running the algorithm until it's sorted out. I know that downvoat or upvoat brigades are a problem but don't see the overall benefit of this project.

Why not scrap the project altogether and focus all these energies on combatting spam? The reporting method in v/ReportSpammers seems to work well enough.

Fateswebb ago

This, and that's what I'm worried about. I don't mind getting flagged if they're willing to use it as a opportunity to fix the script that's flagging legit users rather than just go... Nope the script is perfect and you must have been doing something..

Dortex ago

In one post, it's perfect and Putt already fixed any mistakes he made himself. Here he tells us there's a margin of error. Meanwhile u/theoldones begged for child porn,repeatedly, and again for good measure, then had a mental breakdown for over a day when he got called out for it. Also u/TruthDefender is his alt. He likes to use it to sniff his own farts. Does he get banned? No.

theoldones ago

@Cynabuns spam here

Fateswebb ago

All I know is I don't have an alt, and I don't colluded with others to vote a certain way so I'm innocent of "vote manipulation" if all you do is vote for your own sole self on your own sole account how could that be vote manipulation? That's just "vote" as in you voted...

Vote.

Dortex ago

You can't vote for yourself at all. The closest you come to that is the automatic +1 you get when you make a post. Comments, on the other hand, you can't vote up at all.

Fateswebb ago

Yeah I've accidently hit that button and it undoes itself immediately .

BushChuck ago

I didn't get flagged.

Gottmituns ago

What constitutes "inorganic" activity? Now, upvoting bots and brigading is one thing, but what if everything someone says pisses you off? For example, savethechildren, just about everything he said he was aggressively wrong, eventually I'd just immediately downvote his posts when I noticed one of many alts made it. There was once or twice where the post wasnt shit, and I didnt downvote it, but it happened rarely. Is that inorganic? Or does it require an organized effort to downvote someone?

Durm ago

I don't consider it manipulation, it is manipulation.

Warnings are used when one or more metrics don't absolutely confirm manipulation,

Reconcile these two statements.

Fateswebb ago

Dude it's simply not true. The script is flagging innocent users. END OF STORY. I am one. I am the only person that logs on from my location, and have only one account. I don't ever collude in voting in any way with other users, and absolutely never have. So all I do is use the forum as intended, yet I have been flagged but this script that putitout believes is perfect and it's not possible to have false detects. Well I can tell you it absolutely does have false detects. Very uncool that the admind seems to think it's perfect and could not possibly falsly accuse.

PuttItOut ago

10 metrics, 8 fully positive flags, 2 questionable. Just an example.

Durm ago

Mine?

Jeww ago

You’re pretty much talking directly to ZOG at this point man. It’s obvious a crack down is coming. He won’t tell us who funds vote or which government agency contacted him and what the results of that communication was.

If laws were broken, don’t you think he’d want us to specifically know what the incidence was so we would not do it again? He never provided examples because the goal is to chill speech.

Durm ago

He doesn't want tot tell us what the metrics are concretely because he doesn't want people to game the system. However quite a few "normal" people are going to get super pissed when they come on voat tomorrow and not understand what's going on.

Goys-R-Us ago

IDK man, I see a lot of people professing innocence that I believe.

WhiteRonin ago

That is the concern of mine at the moment. A programming mistake is forgivable when a notice is displayed. I would have spammed everyone saying “oops, my bad” and made a joke out of it.

The metrics, I wouldn’t say for the exact reason you mentioned. Gotta keep that shit secret.

However, this reporting system can be triggered I bet by spouses sharing a machine. Or possibly the same IP. I could be wrong but I doubt I’m that far off.

Fateswebb ago

Dude I don't even have a spouse, just me on one account, I know nobody irl that uses voat at all. Just one lone gunman, and one account. Period the end. I also never use on public WiFi I use on two of my own phones usually, sometimes on my PC. I have been falsely flagged by this script. Sad since I use this site daily for hours a day, and now am very discouraged by being falsely accused by what I despise and have even tried to fight against. Falsely accused like trump dude.