memberberries remembers <---(wayback shot of v/videos from sept 2015 when thc became mod (or was already mod) and had a whole contest to do the background and title art, and lo and behold, the bottom bar)

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main argument part 1

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hello @atko

member saying these things yesterday?

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1480363/7193723/10#7193723

https://voat.co/v/videos/1482143/7193869/10#7193869

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1480363/7187176/10#7187176

I don't take kindly to people who point a gun at my face and make demands. The CSS portion was doing exactly that.

Nope, just me and putt. I asked for thc removal as he abused his position in /v/videos. His ninja stylesheet editing was the final straw.

so you @atko are saying that 'the css of that bar was a gun in your face making demands' ?? (don't tell me it 'feeeelt' like a demand :(

when that bar was over a year old? what do you mean by ninja? he did it in a way that was stealthy? doesn't seem like it. show me the community outrage in voat or v/videos about the bar anywhere from september 2015 to say a week ago. Show me how it was ninja super secret ninja stealth hidden. go ahead, i'll wait. doesn't seem ninja to me. it's right there for all to see...

or are you saying that the text being altered itself was a ninja edit/demand?

The text:

Comment history disabled after page 19

or somehow managing to mean the sticky text not the bar text when you said

his ninja stylesheet editing

was a ninja edited demand of a gun to your head?

well the stickied post text was:

Access to Goat comment history beyond page 19 has been removed ---Regards, Admins

was it the dig with the words “regards, admins” that got to you? Someone other than me got you?

But that isn't the reason you stated. If it was, that would be you removing a default sub mod because your fee fees were hurt. You would never do that, atko-kun!

if i didn't know any better it seems you may have been exaggerating to emotionalize the target - the audience - to get behind you. there's a term for that in the shill handbook... do you want me to get it out? or was that just how you felt?

TLDR main argument 1: no, the bar wasn't a ninja, wasn't ninja edited, whatever that means in the contexts i could think of.

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main argument part 2

demands

what demands?

he was simply notifying users of a major site change that had gone un notified for a month.

are people not allowed to talk on voat if it's not within the invisible rules you set up for us all in your head?!

Seriously! Where does it say there can't be bottom bars on default subs?! Where does it say default sub mods can't notify users of major changes to their ability to access the content they retain rights to?!

you're suggesting in full that the system subs' rule of “nothing beyond just do spam removal” includes any sort of communication about site changes.

But still, does “ notifying users of major site changes on a default sub bar is going beyond spam removal” really deserve shadowballing (removing mod without notification, conversation with mod, conversation with community)!?

Even if this extreme rule is the way it is on voat,

this is a special circumstance because you and puttitout failed miserably to announce the major change to the userbase for over a month now. why no: “announcement: you will be losing access to comment history past page 19 for an unknown period of time...”? Why not a peep until i come barging in asking questions about it and you answer?

Now i have to ask: do you, atko and @puttitout believe users have a right to be told about major site changes, or are you deferring to the old

i don't owe you anything

?

TLDR main argument 2: there were no demands made by thc in the bar (nor the sticky), as you claim.

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final argument points / ramble

you say he's abusing the sub. could you look at it as a mod stepping up doing what you wouldn't: making an announcement about "the page 19 change"? you guys basically swept it under the rug. did you really think no one would care?

Keeping that context: it's been a month is the ddos still going on/ a threat? Why still no access? No answers to these questions.

i don't agree that he was abusing the sub at all. if he did it to say advertise something non-personal, like an amazon store page for a plush doll, or to say fuck the fatties or something sure, but what the text was in the bar that has been on that page at least since september 2015 was just a notification stating that the access had been disabled...

your entire argument behind shadowballing him consisted of the bar having been "ninja edited into the css" "destroying any respect" you "had for him" that bar that was in for over a year........ or were you referring to the text, which

was not a demand

nor was the sticky. they were informative and simple. basically the opposite of me yesterday.

1. what you're saying he did to deserve being shadowballed doesn't match up with what happened in reality (no demand, no ninja editing the css)

2. re-mod him. make a rule or something about banners and added ads or somewhere a specific set of rules for mods of system subs, so it's all clear from now on.

3. i'm glad you understand the biggest issue but i can't believe you would shadowball a mod this way or for these fallacious excuses.

Seriously inb4 'bu bu his soapbox sanegoat-san' yeah if it said “i'm the fucking greatest! Now everyone hear my political opinion on the 18th amendment!” personal soapbox sure.; not a simple notification of a change that affects all users the admins were not doing.

Inb4 last straw. No convo with community. What straws came before? No transparency #notouratko

But but why would they announce/they don't announce things like that inb4: Member when the admins used to make those types of “things have changed that affect you goats” announcements? Memberberries members.

flamino and the strikethrough on a ddos announcement

hoseeurope.dickheads terminates voat announcement

downvoating restrictions return announcement

askvoat not a default anymore announcement

voat paypal limited announcement

daily voting limit increase announcement

subverse registrations offline for a couple hours announcement

get it yet, a track record of announcements about changes to voat. Including about a small change for just a couple hours

Can you see yet how perfectly this would fit in?

roll backs on comment histories announcement

so why wasn't it?

Then instead of speaking up about it, the mod of v/videos simply notifies the users of the sub he mods, like an adult – simply informs others of the pertinent data.

I'm the raving lunatic, atko. Why you acting like he is, atko? And why are you acting like you “just learned the lesson to have community discussion first” when i've shown the atko we knew ALREADY knew that lesson. Do you have alzheimers? Have you been traumatized and have memory loss? Why are you re-learning lessons you've demonstrated over the course of a year+ (before the disappearances) that you already learned? Why are you re-learning lessons you've shown you already know?

~~~~~>No Coffee Edition TLDR<~~~~~

reasons for removal, in atko's words

demands

“ninja editing css”

gist: 'i shadowballed him for pointing a “demand” gun in my face with that ninja css stylesheet edit.'

yet thc

• made no demands

• and the css had that bar in since at least september 2015, and in no sense of the word can be considered ninja. (lol, a bar like that is designed to get attention, the opposite of ninjas.)

1. reinstate @thc as mod.

2. Make a clear rule on banners for default subs and/or a set of rules for system mods, and possibly a rule regarding ninja activities. (free speech for ninjas!)

thc wasn't attacking you, wasn't demanding, and didn't maliciously nor ninja-ly alter the css, but simply used a long standing (over a year) banner to notify users that their ability to access their own content had been fundamentally altered, after the admins (you) had failed for a month to do so and attempts by other users to notify the userbase had failed.