Use PaysafeCard.

Very convenient and completely anonymous payment system. Many USENET providers accept it. I just love it.

Just to chime in on this. PayPal hit me hard last week. Not only did they limit my account, but they notified all my buyers to open up disputes saying my account was compromised. Now I have to go through all 100+ odd transactions and respond to them individually. I was like, what in the flying F!

Not to mention that I have future payments using PayPal, but my account is down. Total BS in a handbasket.

I came across the idea of stealth and been going over this guide: http://www.slideshare.net/AuctionEssistance/ebay-incognitostealth

But I am not entirely sure if this is the best way to go? Does anyone have some experience on stealth?

I know it's late in the game, but if you log on to eBay, and get into the "adults only" section, you'll find plenty of porn, and lots of it skirts the edges. All that can be paid for with paypal.

Seriously, you really want to get your account frozen? http://auctionessistance.com/how-to-get-paypal-to-freeze-your-account-in-four-easy-steps/

Wow, I remember Paypal having rampant amounts of these kinds of problems awhile back. I thought they'd cleaned up by now. There are too many other payment alternatives to be fucking around with people. Google Wallet, Visa Checkout, and on and on.

bitcoin for the rescue

Bitcoin!

Would never trust PayPal with donations, amounts of $100+ or giving up documents to lift a limitation. These momos have no clue as to what they are doing. They are screwing everyone for the most BS reasons.

Examples: http://www.screw-paypal.com/resources/paypal_magic/limited_accounts.html http://auctionessistance.com/paypal-limitations-reasons/ http://complaints.paypalsucks.com/account-limited-15-years-selling/

I'm making a petition to get PayPal to free the account. How many signatures?

I'm trying to remove my bank and card details from PayPal right now. 1. because i'm pissed off with them about this and 2. because my reckless spending is out of control.

Anyway I made a donation to Voat of £5 on the 12th of June but it's been stuck unaccepted since then, now I know why! Problem is I can't remove any of my payment details from PayPal until it goes through, which it won't.

I'm so annoyed, maybe i'll block PayPal from the bank's end?

Yeah, we shouldn't lower ourselves to the level of using tactics which are proven to work.

Stripe has been kind to Infinity Next.

Fair to say this site has no future.

Maybe you should your PayPal account.

Elon Musk on why/how PayPal is screwed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KxxQ3zy2w

As someone who doesn't do cryptocurrencies (I just think it's too complex) how would I now donate? I only had Paypal as an option but now I'm glad I put that off.

yeah didn't /r/SRS said they were going to call paypal everyday to get the account blocked also.

I honestly have never used pay pal and never intend to.

Sexually oriented materials? What? That's strange.

certain sexually oriented materials or services or for items that could be considered obscene

Wouldn't that apply to /r/GoneWild too? And let's face it there's a lot nastier stuff than GoneWild on reddit too if you go looking for it. Still 'certain sexually oriented materials or services' is a pretty broad category.

Personally I find buttcoin to be unreliable as its currency value fluctuates far too much for my liking. Sucks that PayPal decided to clamp down over disinformation. :\

Chin up.mate. This will pass

Now that the obvious troublemakers have been purged, will PayPal reconsider?

Dude, PayPal sucks hard. We started using them as a processor at work after having them for years. I rang up an $18k transaction and BOOM they stopped letting us withdraw money. They said they had to investigate our business practices. The fuck? It's like they don't want us giving them their over inflated processing fees. It's nuts.

For those who don't know, eBay just sold them off. I speculate it's because eBay is going down the crapper and needed the money.

Good. You newfags don't deserve the money since you have already started censoring content.

Seriously man - send emails to them, call customer service, and tweet them at @paypal; they do respond. I use them for almost everything.

Oh really, they block voat, but are more than happy to transfer funds for stuff like seekingarrangement: http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21654669-very-old-solution-new-problem-teaspoon-sugar That site basically enables prostitution.

Your obsession with money is where you go wrong. Yes, inflation pushes the relevant statistics up, but that's in the same way a call center telling everyone who calls their system is down improves its call stats: namely, that improvement's bullshit. Money simply helps things move in an economy, in the same way motor oil helps an engine's parts move easier and allows better performance. However, just as pouring more oil into an engine once it's full won't improve its performance, neither will continuously pumping money into an economy improve its performance: there's only so much purchasing power in an economy(determined by its level of true wealth - ie, amount of things) and new money can only gain any at the expense of old as it's spent into the economy.

Of course, you still haven't addressed the question of why anybody in their right mind would buy electronics now instead of their better versions tomorrow, if the deflationary spiral's to be believed.

BitCoin I guess is the best option.

Everyone is taking the whole "progressive" censorship path these days.

I am a mod of a drug related forum. People have gotten us banned from most donation platforms. It is a fucking shame what people will do because they don't agree with your views.

Inflation means increased spending

So what? Saving is necessary to improve quality of life. And what about retirees and people on fixed incomes? Fuck em?

increased employment levels

The 1970s called. You're wrong.

and increased benefits for debtors

Because we totally want to encourage irresponsibility amirite?

Decreasing prices lead to delayed spending

You literally cannot find ONE example of this being the case. The entire history of the world up until 1913 has been deflationary! Deflation during the Great Depression was the effect, not the cause.

which leads to decreased employment.

Employment is not an end. It is a means to buy shit. If shit is so cheap that you don't need to work to buy it, why the fuck would you want to work?

Meanwhile, loan payments remain the same, giving lenders the upper hand.

Which means people live within their means, rather than buy consumer goods on credit. Loans are for capital goods, not consumer goods.

I wonder if Reddit has anything to do with this. Corporate sabotage intended to limit competition with the effect of ultimately limiting free speech.

You know they did this so they could use the money that you brought in for high risk investments?

There is a good chance that nothing was actually wrong with anything, they just happened to find an account with a large amount of money that they could freeze and abuse. This is also why the 3-5 business day "processing" is in effect for ALL payments.

If I could vote for the MOST EVIL CORPORATION EVER, it would be PayPal without hesitation. They have all of the power of a bank with none of the regulations.

I got permanently limited by Paypal because two people donated under $1 each.. even after tens of phone calls I didn't get an explanation, they're just awful. I use stripe and bitcoin now, no issues at all so far.

Everyone benefits from inflation.

LOL no.

Should I charge back the donation I made 2 days ago and send it via bitcoin instead? Can I even do that?

Atko, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND STRIPE. Stripe services sites like thedailystormer and 4chan, they'll service voat.co!

I closed my Pukepal account long ago after reading about shit exactly like this. They are an evil corporation. Fuck them.

Sexually oriented materials? Do they seem to fucking forget they have a whole slew of porn and sex toys on Ebay they accept payments for.

Paypal is as capricious and arbitrary as a reddit moderator when it comes to enforcing their rules.

You know who else got screwed by PayPal?

SA. Also 4chan.

Let's hope you can avoid the "horrific decay" part of the success story.

My PayPal account got locked a couple of months ago (I think someone tried to brute force their way into my account or something), and I haven't bothered to get it unlocked. I don't trust PayPal anymore, and I don't want my account back. Luckily for me, there was no money in it, so I'm not losing anything.

Shadman gets his donations from there....he loves lolis

This is good for bitcoin

Well that is one way to get me to donate. The enemy of my enemy is my friend etc. Something like that

Because unlike Voat, Reddit are willing to dismantle subreddits that harm their business.

Where can I report illegal content?

If only we got rid of /v/jailbait and /v/truejailbait...

This is why you should only accept Bitcoin!

So after reading through this thread I decided I should only leave my CC on my paypal, but I cant remove my debit card because of an instant transfer that is pending. Not only does it not make sense that its pending on an instant transfer, the transfer in question does not exist at all. I can't even make myself feel safer on paypal now because paypal won't let me. What a terrible company, how is there no decent competition for paypal and google wallet yet they are so terrible.

fuck paypal

I have contacted paypal telling them they release your money or I close my account and post infographics telling people why all over the nearest major downtown area.

If everyone on voat and friendly external communities does this, the voice and public egg will be too large and too damaging to ignore.

This sucks, but it's probably best for new businesses to just tear off the PayPal band-aid. PayPal has always hated multiple small transactions. Without major innovation, PayPal will be toast in ten years.

I see this has already turned into a bitcoin discussion, but bitcoin is a viable alternative. If you put a Mycelium Gear "Donate Button" on the site, I bet there would be few donations almost immediately. I see the plain text bitcoin address, but Gear might better suit Voat's needs.

Payza is a decent PayPal substitute since Voat probably still has some need for dirty fiat.

Aw jeez, Not the jew cuckolds again

This makes me sick, the power these corporations have to crush anyone trying to build their own thing. I can only assume Reddit investors and/or its users are behind this.

Could we all message PayPal and make the case for the account to be opened?

Edit: PayPal limited my account once because I hadn't had any activity for a about a year and then immediately I had a lot of activity from selling on eBay. They limited those funds for over a month which seriously hurt my purpose behind selling all those items.

What can we do to reverse their decision?

I knew this was going to happen the moment you began getting an influx of donations. People warned you, Paypal cannot be trusted when you make any decent amount from donations.

Was it when Ebay owned it?

@ATKO Have you retained a lawyer to handle stuff like this?

You should talk to Hotwheels. Our leftist opponents pulled the same shit with 8chan. They report-spam.

Sue them.

You could mail them the screencap of the Ghazi person saying they're spamming fake reports.

Paypal are a bunch of faggots. It would not surprise me in the slightest if reddit or the media bribed them to do this.

You already have bitcoin... that should be the preferred method of donation.

But, for those who might not want to do that for whatever reason - my solution would be to set up a square market. Set up items in the market for each denomination of donation.

I somehow owe PayPal $750 after a payment I made didn't go through because I accidently had the wrong banking info. They decided to 'cover me' which I didn't authorize them to do for me. It's been a year, I haven't paid them. They have a collection agency on me now... but they can F themselves. I'll take the credit rating hit. Sick of being screwed over by big companies.

There are payment processors that deal exclusively with high risk websites, like verotel.com. Sure, it's geared towards the porn industry, but there's plenty of porn on here and you might as well give it a shot.

"Solutions for High-Risk Webmasters

Verotel is a leading Internet Payment Service Provider (IPSP) for high risk businesses. We never missed a payment"

verotel.com

There are others too. Maybe contact Mercedes Carrera and ask her for recommendations. She is a porn star and gamergate supporter who runs her own production company. @TheMercedesXXX She also has a porn charity and helps wounded vets.

PayPal is a terrible, terrible company.

Reading the comments, I see a small horde being complete assholes rubbing their hands in glee in that reddit thread. I'm at a loss here. How are there so many shitty comments with no actual message and meaning? Shouldn't most of these guys just be ordinary dudes like us? Why the hell would redditors hate Voat with such a sadistic pissant passion? Are those misanthrope posters even real accounts? It's seriously no good for nothing to have some sort of war going on between us and (misguided?) Reddit loyalists.

So when is PayPal going to limit/terminate/hold funds from Reddit's account PayPal account?

there in bed with reddit bro, have to expect these kind of bumps in the road, y combiner is none to happy about what appears to be a 50 million dollar loss in investment, they are going to pull all sorts of leftist bs, they are libtards bro, shitty sneeky bastards. have you considered a po box for check donations? it might very well come to that, that y combiner money was supposed to help sway public opinion on all sorts of issues and now its lost a massive percentage of its landing base, even go fund me would most likely be a bad idea with the same holds in place. it might have to be direct donations Atko. keep up the great work,

so we going bitcoin\crypto donations now?

Notch had this problem too as minecraft got big paypal started blocking payments for the game

Define a platform, and the donations will come. Just ensure you have more control over your account. I definitely want to donate now.

It's things like this that reminds us why bitcoin was invented.

You want to know how to get around getting PayFucked? Here's how, register voat as a business, then set up a business paypal account they wont bother yo as much

How much money do you actually have access to now? Is it back to square one?

Do you do bitcoin? If not stop this whole fiat bullshit. I will donate .15 bitcoin if you stop dealing with paypal.

Classic PayPal.

Wrong? You can find jailbait on Voat. And I mean real CP. Do you know the reaction of one mod? "I'll give them the benefit of a doubt." Are you fucking kidding me? One look will make you convinced.

I don't know if the admins are delusional or what. When you have a site that hosts pedophiles and accepts donations from them, you are in fact supporting pedophilia and profiting from it. Is that Voat's "freedom of speech"?

@Atko, How much money is held up? Is it money past a certain date? Just curious if my payment went through!

Have you looked into Dwolla?

seriously when can I give you guys all my dogecoins

This reminded me that I have a paypal account I haven't used for a while ( not linked to any bank cards ). I've been clicking the "Close account" for about 15 minutes and I keep getting

"Sorry, there's a problem. If you keep seeing this, please contact customer service".

Too funny. Upside is that it motivated me to move $50 BTC into my wallet. I'll be shipping it off to voat.co as soon as it settles.

This bullshit has to stop. Some people are actively fucking around with Voat to stop it from growing to its full potential. Some fucking reddit SJW cunt.

PayPal's new motto: "CoonTown good, free speech bad." Absolute shithole of a company.

how about we cut out the middle man and just mail you the money?

Time to create your own payment system!

Turns out it's worse then that unfortunately. Check out this thread. Guilty as charged..

All it takes is 1 complaint and paypal will shut you down no questions asked, and take their sweet time investigating the issue.

I haven't used Paypal for anything since the WikiLeaks thing. If a service only has paypal as a payment option, I don't buy that service. It's not Paypal's place to decide who deserves what money, just do money transfers and get the fuck out of the way, please, you pieces of shit. If you can't handle that, we'll go to bitcoin. We should anyways. Bitcoin is how online currency is supposed to work.

Would patreon be better? I want to donate to you but I don't do bitcoins

That means they have the authority to possess child porn as evidence.

As someone who donated via Paypal....is there anything I can do? I would hate for Paypal (Ebay) to earn interest on my money while they act like douchebags.

Wish I could say I was surprised. I quit using it years ago after they screwed me out of $50. Not a lot by comparison to most people's issues but still enough to burn me for life. It is bad enough if someone will only take paypal I won't do business with them.

SJWs don't exist. At least not as some big organised secret society that you are implying they are. They're a boogeyman.

The more people try to destroy voat, the more people will give it support until it thrives. The gift that keeps on giving!

That is a good list. Here are a few more that work. Skrill, OKPAY, PerfectMoney, work good for transferring money. Coinomat.com does visa to bitcoin, which would be good for donations. Coinpayments.net is a great way for websites to accept many different coins, and then automatically convert them to USD or EUR. (so the price fluctuations do not affect you)

If you keep your donations in bitcoin then you are in control, no one can take them from you.

Atko needs to write a 1 page e-book short story then put it for sale on Amazon for $20.

Sounds like Skrill might be the viable option to paypal. I'm looking in to canceling my account right now.

Not everyone has vast amounts of disposable income.

@atko it's SRS doing this to punish you.

Now we have to punish them-https://np.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

For anyone who's been living under a rock for the past several years and wondering what the hubbub is about, PayPal has a rather sordid history of burning people badly that trust them with their money. Case in point, where they ordered the destruction of a Stradivarius violin, because the buyer changed his mind on the purchase, and they wanted to be safe on the off-chance that it "May be" counterfeit, and so mandated the destruction of a masterpiece instrument before the buyer could receive his refund.

There are many, many more cases of this idiocy, and if you're interested to see why you should not trust PayPal or eBay with your money (I cancelled my accounts back when they seized/limited the account associated with Julian Assange's legal defense fund), I implore you to check out http://www.paypalsucks.com

I know what you mean and I agree actually, so let me rephrase the first part:

It's very simple, IF you want to advocate for free speech, you HAVE TO look into Bitcoin [...]

That should clear it up and take care of the passive observers(which are fine) other than that, I agree with @gtfo.

Add:

• Bitcoin (technically impossible)

• Stripe (still have an AUP, but are not fucking scumbags like PayPal are)

I assume most of you guys are younger than 30 who use paypal. I could have told you 10 years ago that the site was bullshit. Do not ever use paypal. Not only because of this, but because of the hidden fees and complete nonsense you subject yourself to.

I feel like you don't fully realize

Nonsense, counselor. I move this Court to sanction your reply as frivolous. There's your "lawyer speak."

This law is one of inclusion not exclusion. Under the "plain meaning" interpretive convention, you simply cannot read the following into it under any reasonable legal argument:

...they have to ask the purpose of a transaction...you've made them a liable party in the event that they miss something

No counselor can seriously believe that this is a reasonable argument on the law. You have violated professional ethics, counselor. I request the judge send a transcript to the state licensing board.

The rest of your argument is pure ideology, and you will stick with it through your own demise or until something very shocking happens to jolt you into reality. Your choice.

Finally, my original point was specifically about this thread and the Paypal situation. I was not thinking of "hate speech" as this was not in the facts of the legal post. The "hate speech" portion of your reply should have been stricken as irrelevant and prejudicial, counselor.

So much for trying to give you a little slack. You don't want any. :D

Just cleared my PayPal account as a result of reading this. My money can live elsewhere.

I have disputed the decision.

"It has come to my attention that you have permanently limited the perfectly legitimate and laudable account Atif Colo ([email protected]), most likely as a result of malicious and false flagging by a third party. I have been a customer for a very long time and would like to remain so but since I cannot trust you to send my money to the right person, I have begun doubting the wisdom of staying a customer.

Please look into the slanderous allegations and un-limit the aforementioned account again as soon as possible."

Yeah. PayPal screwed me out of over $300 about 8 or 9 years ago. I have avoided them since. There and eBay. Both companies suck bad. There are plenty of alternatives.

Cancelling my Paypal credit card effective as soon as my final payment clears.

Freezing accounts is something of a business model for PayPal.

They are no regulated like a bank, so they can do exactly as they please.

PayPal - US company

Reddit - US company

Voat - not a US company

Sucks that it's come to that to be honest - it's the sort of thing I'd expect from Chinese companies, not US ones.

I saw those fuckers on ShitRedditSays talking about how they wanted to get the Voat PayPal account banned in the same thread they were talking about getting you kicked off the old ISP.

But I can't give you my Bitcoins. I need them in case we go to the moon!

OH yeah, Paypal says my payment was cancelled. That's so much BS right there. Don't do Bitcoin, so as soon as you have another method for accepting donations, I'll use that instead.

PayPal is scum.

Someone who knows their shit in cryptocurrency, please stand up and be heard!

[email protected] is the manually read escalation account for all issues regarding violations of ToS and specifically relegated to illegal content. Send them an email stating, very clearly, that the allegations made against voat.co were intentionally falsified by a suspicious individual with ZERO ties to the website (and zero monetary interaction to boot), that an investigation as long as ten seconds will show they were falsified and that these allegations were filed with specific malicious intent of shutting a private business down. Use these as proof of the identity of the false reporter https://archive.is/VvIrK https://archive.is/Jwbo7 and be polite if possible.

The phone centers just take claims, false or not, and move them up a chain. If there was a phone call to make this happen, it would have ended where mine did by talking to a supervisor who gave me the email and advised me to escalate it manually. If this was done with one person that has no ownership or financial ties to the website then by theory I should be able to undo it in a day. But sending more emails with more proof should make this go by easier.

If the owner of the account makes an appeal, as in the owner of the PayPal itself, they will be able to receive direct updates on the investigation progress. I strongly advise anyone and everyone here concerned with this issue to send in emails. Even if you're sworn of PayPal for good from this, it's still possible to recover and a thousand voices is always more visible than one or two. This should be an easy fix if we all civilly contact them that something on their end went wrong.

Dudes the shills are trying to bury this;

https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/161850

Accept crypto and open your donation market 100x of times larger.

Fuck PayPal.

Closing my account with them right now.

Well, it looks like I'm going to be giving PayPal the middle finger now. Unbelievable, I wonder what prompted this stupidity on their part

I just bought like 15 games with 30$ on steam idk what you're talking about

As expected...

It's not enough if you're a console peasant.

I honestly think you should just enable some ads on the website now. People who don't want to see them can use Ad Block Plus or ublock and it will bring in enough money for operating expenses.

If you set out running voat.co on donated time if it gets big you'll have to quit and do something else. If you monetize it right away if it gets big you can hire people to help you run the place. It wasn't the ads on reddit I had the problem with, it was the moderation.

Create an open platform for people to communicate and people will continue to trickle in as as SJW's on reddit continue to ratchet down on what things are approved to talk about.

Monetize voat.co, leave discussion open, and let reddit essentially become Tumblr. Part of free speech is taking the bad with the good. I don't have to agree with everyones opinion on anything but I have a brain and a downvote button to deal with the opinions I don't like. Just don't get in the habit of deleting the opinions you disagree with and this should turn out to be a large website that will hopefully be lucrative for you in the long run.

Monetizing it now will allow you to scale.

Paypal did this to me. I purchased something from a scammer, it was a "prohibited item" and it was never received. I contacted PP and told them I got ripped off. They returned my money, but they froze my acct for 180 days, and I had over $15K in it. Yes over 15 grand.

I closed my account when I got my money back. I will never use Paypal again. Fuck them. They treated me like I was a fucking criminal.

You can use Chase Quickpay to send liquid money from your checking acct. It's alot like Paypal but there are no restrictions other than the recipient must be in the USA. It is also free.

I have used ClearXChange also and it works good if you are dealing with different banks. I believe it is also free.

You only need to use google wallet, paypal and apple pay if you are dealing with credit cards. There are other alternatives.

Are there any other meant to donate?

Because this is corporation-induced censorship!

Well, I sure am glad I donated with Bitcoin, then.

Your first example is good. I oppose hate speech laws, and I can see how the host may have wanted to dodge that issue. One for you. :D

Your second example is the opposite of what you think it is. It is outside of regulation. Actual regulation would say something like -- if you involve yourself in handling money transfers, you must accept all legal transactions. One for me. :D

So, the real answer is ... quality regulation.

I emphasized that regulation is needed to contrast the general views I see here. It's a process. First, people need to understand that regulations have important purposes, next, we discuss which regulations we should have.

Looks like bitcoin is the way to go.

/u/De1WvO3Ndc8jTldFhaA6 is just saying there's a perfectly viable alternative and if you can't be bothered learning it - then you're doing yourself a disservice. And I'm not sure you understand what a SJW is - it's not simply someone who is an overt activist on every issue.

When I was a moderator on a Minecraft server, we used a certain program that bypassed PayPal and used a different kind of money transfer to accomplish the same thing. Let me get back to the head admin and I'll PM you with other options if I have any, okay Atko?

Well shit

Dogecoin/Bitcoin/Litecoin

I'm sure the community has no problem figuring out how to use those and I know I for one will be willing to donate my current Doge to you guys

Paypal has your donation funds hostage? :( Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck Paypal.

try stripe dudes...

How about we just get rid of the jb sub? I mean if it's really causing all this issue, why keep it around?

1-888-221-1161 is their number - I called and closed both my accounts.

another victory for the evil SJW empire over at shitredditsays

get rekt, nerds

We have already seen with the paypal and hosting account that people can and will make a hobby out of screwing with Atko and Voat. And no it was not clear to me which is why I asked the question. That is the purpose of questions, not to provoke or accuse, but to acquire information. Sorry if you felt otherwise.

I still use them, when I don't have an alternative, but basically have been avoiding them since they effectively shut down Jennicam.

This is reason enough for me to learn how to use bitcoin. Does anyone know of a decent guide on how to mine, for nooblets?

Which regulation?

Thank you. I wanted you to clearly explain your assertion that Voat hosts child porn. I think those are reasonable questions to be addressed by Atko and his legal person / team.

That was to be expected.

I hope you cleared the account every day.

What srs fails to understand is that this will make Voat a stronger community. I have been a casual member of reddit for a while, never in my life have I been this active in a forum or willing to donate as I have with Voat.

I've heard too much bad shit about PayPal so I stopped using them a while back. Absolute scumbags.

Can you describe how Voat can host child porn when it only consists of text, hyperlinks and thumbnails?

Guess its time to begin really using Bitcoin

If your head was so far up your ass that you somehow still didn't know to not use PayPal . . . well now you know.

Why not use Skrill, OKPay or Paymentwall? Also note that Skrill and OKPay has an inactivity fee so read up on that.,

I and others have asked you where child porn is being hosted on Voat and you only reply that even links are illegal in the US. What does the US legal / justice system have to do with a European web site?

I'm assuming there is no way to fight this then? :/

Here is a solution. Have voat users come together and write an e-book about voat. Then put the e-book on Amazon.com, and direct everyone to buy that e-book. The e-book needs to be legit, so it can't be reported or flagged. This can all be accomplished pretty quick.

Peter Thiel is the co-founder of PayPal and an investor in Reddit. So hardly a surprise.

I've had great experiences using gumroad in the past. It only allows monthly, subscription based donations though.

Much appreciated. I'll check out coinbase in a bit.

Have I labeled you a SJW? No.

And to puff your chest about how long you've been on Voat. Are you freaking kidding me? I've been on here only 3 months and have more CCP and SCP than you and have a higher upvoat to downvoat ratio than you. You have admitted to being a troll. I think you just love to stir shit up. Why don't you sit back down.

Edit : werds

Cool, thank you @Amarok. I'll check out the video at lunch!

Probably because of /v/jailbait. It gives voats enemies a powerfull weapon.

I never bothered with Bitcoin. Today I just setup a Coinbase account. Thanks for the motivation to support free speech.

There won't be any political body outside of New York and California that the left will control after 2016.

I feel that's unlikely, but totally agree they are certainly going to lose a ton of ground. There are other exceptions (other than Cali and NY) where the left will still be dominate though.

Why do you keep quoting and referencing the US legal / justice system?

Damn it, Atko, stop sucking dicks for subs.

Seriously though, that sucks. There's nothing obscene going on here, unless you count the lost trolls that show up here from reddit from time to time. Or maybe they're just not fans of FPH.

Fuck, we can't seem to win at the minute.

Eventually something has got to give and we'll be able to enjoy ourselves without these companies causing issues.

Why not run a kickstarter for ~10k and get all the donations you can upfront

So, did they do this to "that other vote-based news aggregator website" (Reddit), too?

Are they going to do this to web hosting companies like Godaddy?](https://support.godaddy.com/help/article/3403/adding-paypal-as-a-payment-method) As one of the biggest web hosting companies in the world, there's porn on Godaddy hosting servers, I assure you.

tl;dr: Godaddy and Reddit host/link a lot more porn than this site does.

This is fucked up. Where does my money go now? Will they refund me?

is Dwolla an option maybe?

Regulation. Sooner or later, people are going to start to realize it's needed.

Well shit, man. This sucks.

I can completely understand the reaction. It's only human.

Point is there is no proof. I have no doubt there will be groups or individuals bragging about this incident before the day is over. At this point the idea is so cliche though, it's impossible to tell if it's real, if it's someone claiming credit for something they didn't do, if it's a troll from the other side, or if it's just someone who wants to watch the world burn.

I'm hijacking Mokum's comment to say to other Voaters do not try to take revenge on reddit for this. We don't know for sure if reddit was responsible. Either way it's a good thing Voat is leaving PayPal before the site got bigger, and the funds did too.

That's a damn shame and utter bullshit.

Hey Goats: Do NOT reverse your payment/donations--we don't want to add injury to insult with any chargeback fees that PayPal may impose!

Well that sucks the big donkey dick, if you were not able to withdraw the money I sent let me know and I'll try to do a reversal and give it to you another way. I was donating to the development of the core Voat software, not the content people might happen to submit...

What about Amazon WebPay or Dwolla?

So basically robbery in broad daylight. Gotcha.

The difference is that gamergate e-mails advertisers presenting evidence that the publications had an anti-gamer stance etc. They did not send e-mails making baseless accusations of illegal activities. It seems like everyone they do not like are hosting CP these days. First 8chan and now voat. I bet if another player enters the scene they will be accussed of hosting CP as well...

Voat does not host any media other than thumbnails, so what you claim here is technically impossible. We don't allow illegal content, not even links which link to third party sites which host said content. If you noticed any links on voat which link to third party sites which host illegal content, please report this to [email protected] and we will investigate it. Thank you.

I think the actual user clause might be arguable at court. The cost of such court is another matter. I thing Atko is going to need lawyers in the future.

I just closed my PayPal account and issued a charge back against the money I donated to Voat. My credit card company said that if the donation was supposed to go to place X and instead went to place Y that would be grounds for a charge back. It was supposed to go to Voat, instead it's gone to a SJW supporting company. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

A SRS mod says they "sniped Voat's paypal too".

I could probably get in legal trouble just for clicking on the link in your post let alone confirming the actual presence of CP.

And here we see excellent example of fanatism and fearmongering: You will make calls and try to get something deleted. You do that based on information somebody other said (and somebody other is just a user on the internet, no standard there). You have to join the brigade because you believe that lie and you are fear the consequences of checking the facts.

People on the other side of the barricade have to agree or at least hold their tongue, unless they are labeled horrible degenerates. Because once they do disagree, people will not check the facts before judging them. They are prohibited from checking the facts, just as in the previous example.

So we have run-away witch hunt where nobody knows anything, but have to hate somebody based on the absence of facts.

This brings me to another set of questions. How come the sjws are so organized that they can rain e-mails to companies in order to damage what they do not like? Also how come they do not like voat? If I was an sjw I would be happy if all the shitlords left for another forum and I can have my safe place. Why go after voat? It looks like they are reddit's lapdogs.

And finally, no matter how many e-mails does one company receive, they simply can't end business relationships without solid evidence. That is why I am wondering. Is there any chance that such material exist here?

What a bunch of f**king dicks. That's it, I'm getting some Bitcoin.

@Atko or anyone with knowledge in this matter, how hard would it be to simply set up a bank account for people to donate directly in to? Are there too many legal or technical issues for something like this?

Paypal are worse than useless when you try to contact them through email/contact forms. Your best bet is to get someone on the phone. I sold something last year through eBay and the person claimed they never received it and got their money back, even though I had proof that it was delivered. After I got spoke to someone on the phone they reversed the refund within an hour.

I still owe them €46 in selling fees, which they definitely won't be getting now. I'd been thinking of paying it off when I could afford it, but after this stunt that's never going to happen.

I think this is how Iran feels guys.

use bitcoin, a lot of users would use it anyway.

Idiots should use Bitcoin

I am now researching cryptocurrencies.

https://www.weusecoins.com/

You are being smeared hard. This is how the game is played and it's fucking awful. Bitcoin to the rescue!

I am on this site because I want to be somewhere censorship free. Also, I curiously peeked at /v/jailbait and there is no child pornography there. People want to ban it only because there might be some in the future.

Can't say I'm surprised with PayPal. It's one of the reasons I stopped using eBay. They're shit.

That does it. I'm learning bitcoin.

How is it that the worst of the SJWs can have patreon accounts for doing literally nothing other than troll people online, and Voat gets shut down with PayPal? Should people brigade Patreon?

Has anyone used Stripe as a form of payment before? I see a lot of websites using it and haven't heard it ripping people off yet...

I know of a particular movie downloading site that uses Stripe with pretty much no problems yet either and that seems pretty illegal

Wait, so my donation(s) via PayPal will not become accessible to you for up to 6 months? Man, that sucks. $20 isn't much but I enjoyed the thought that maybe I bought some pizza or beer or something from someone contributing to the codebase or getting the servers set up or something.

There is a reason why I almost immediately withdraw any PayPal balance of a couple hundred or more to my bank and suggest anyone else to do the same who has to use it.

Fucking scammers. What about Google Wallet? Would that work for donations?

Yeah, gotta say that PayPal is garbage with being fair towards their customers. We really appreciate your constant work to find solutions though! There has to be another way to take donations to the site, perhaps Google Wallet?

My god, I'm so sorry man.. D:

I guess this was expected somewhat, but it still sucks.

Any idea if you can appeal?

Well, I am just going to wait for you guys to find a new payment method before I donate.

However I would like to ask what content is this ban based on?

Paypal is jew, right?

Seriously, what did you think was going to happen?

I've not used my paypal in years. They are cunts and have always been cunts except during the first few years when they were trying to get the world addicted to smoking their crack.

Just process your own cc or switch to something like: https://www.paymentwall.com/

Get a contract with the financial people first that explains what voat's purpose is and how you handle illegal content. If they sign it then they will be telling you that no complaint from an SJW will cause you to be shut down unless you fail to perform a proper takedown. Make your takedown requests public so everyone can read them then if a SJW makes a false report, you can prove your compliance to your own policies.

Trust everyone, but verify. That's what it should be about.

Atko, keep fighting buddy! This is your company and your future and be damned before you let someone take it from you. You may want to seek some VC funds.

Huh. So now I have to figure out a way to not use PayPal anymore... Lame.

Also, I need a safe way to donate to Voat.co. Damnit PayPal. Making me do things and care about stuff!

This is unsurprising but still really, really disappointing.

Bitcoin looks like our best option at this point.

Could it be that reddit is attacking Voat? or am i being too paranoid?

How to withdraw Money from a limited/closed Paypal account

I just wrote PayPal asking them to block Reddit, too. It's pretty much the same platform and Reddit certainly does not lack "certain sexually oriented materials or services or for items that could be considered obscene" content.

Tell PayPal you will take them to small claims court if they don't release your funds, it worked for me once

Damn... I hope voat gets the money I donated. If voat doesn't get the money, can we issue a charge back on our CC's against PayPal?

I donated to voat (on another account), I didn't donate to PayPal. :\

The initial blockchain catchup can be avoided by using lite wallets.

Once you know what to do, about five minutes.

So what happens if all of we who donated via paypal go back to paypal and dispute the transactions and give the reason of "because Paypal sucks donkey balls?" I know I had no intention of donating to Paypal.

Well, I just closed my PayPal account. Fuck them. @Atko I am not saavy enough to use bitcoin so if there is another way I can get you the $10 PayPay just stole from us let me know I would be happy to help. Sorry you have to go through this, keep up the good fight.

Personally, I hate paypal. Why? Because I live outside the US it is nigh on impossible to get the money that they owe me. A friend in Mexico was ripped off for several thousand US dollars by pay-fucking-pal. Caveat Emptier

I would just like to say, I fucking called it. https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/146757/356992

Of course, I think you'd have to be brain damaged not to see that coming.

Does anyone have a guide on how to buy bitcoin to donate for noobs like me?

Interestingly I bought this set yesterday using PayPal. I guess it could not be considered obscene.

Let's wait with the popcorn until a mod on $hellit brags about it again.

All the best to you, Atko. Have you got enough funds for the near future?

Setup a Bitcoin donation address.

I told you. It's 8chan 2.0. Bitcoin is the way. Try Stripe too, they do Encyclopedia dramatica donations. All hail our serbian hotwheels.

Also , this is a good thing for Bitcoin. Unironically.

I know how fraud is paypal... but sadly there is no good alternative. How's moneybooker?

Bitcoin is the absolute best way to donate, people.

Shit. I have no idea why I decided to donate via PayPal. :(

Guess I'll see what I can do to rescind the funds and donate through alternate means.

Holy shit, lame. I hope you were able to get my donation before they fucked you. =/

Do you think these attacks are coming from reddit and reddit backers? It was quite easy to report voat to the European anti obscenity people to get it removed from servers (for example having just Nazi imagery on a website, even if people are not supportive of Nazis can get a website shut down in Germany and elsewhere). It would be quite easy for reddit and reddit backers to throw their weight around to discredit voat in every possible way. Considering reddit, those are exactly the sort of tactics they would use as well. Nothing is too nefarious or unethical to the people who run reddit when it comes to making money.

I hope you had already pulled out a bulk of the money. Everybody is the enemy of open platforms because they can't be control. Monetizing will be hard, user support is likely the only way to make this Voat float. Post a better way to donate.

Unpopular opinion time: get rid of jailbait

Was only a matter of time really - :

see here where i said all that would happen.

https://voat.co/v/Contact/comments/149765

As soon as "ProtonMail" got large on it's crowd fund the NSA sent though the order and Pay pay pal pal, canned them.

my advice is to open a Crypto account with BTC38 in Yuan and do it all that way:

http://www.btc38.com/trade_en.html

if you get Crypto you can convert to Yaun and then to whatever "Debt Buck$" you use in your country, you will pay a few fees but not many.

This will open your donations to all these Crypto sure some are just junk but some are serious Crypto, and the Chinese take them seriously.

First they say "Let them leave to Voat, we don't need them here on Reddit".

Then they do everything they can to destroy voat. These people are scum.

Is there a good alternative?

Fucking called it!

I guess the more Voat grows, the more it becomes a target. This is just insane.

Paypal is awful. But you're based in the EU so you should be ok in the end.

This much push-back can only mean your doing the right thing.

It's OK. It's for these reasons I trust you.

If you say you prefer Bitcoin as an alternative, your answer might get crossposted to /r/Bitcoin.

$2,500.00 USD per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damages

I can be wrong, but I don't think this kind of clauses holds up in most European courts, as they could be seen as abusive.

I wonder if Amazon or Google are having this problem with Paypal. The one sells sex toys, and the other links to nude photos, soooooo.........

I've learnt to never use PayPal again. I used to run a small Minecraft server and the only way people could donate to me was through PayPal. What I didn't realize was that the donators could do a chargeback which takes back the money from my account and slaps a 15 euro fee on it.

Some guy did that twice resulting in my account being -40 euros (the donation was 5 euro each). I send PayPal a message, and after 6 months I got the donation amount back. Now my account is still -20 euros and I am never going to pay that.

You need to Lawyer Up™

Voat is screwed. Great.

Yes. What is considered obscene? Baroque nude art exhibition? Sex education organization? Plastic surgery clinic? Site that hosts many forums, some of them pornographic? Printing Press that makes part of the business printing erotic magazines? Club that rents to burlesque show one day a week? Building management company that has strip club among its customers? Amazon, the online shop that sells sex toys among others?

Why even have that clause?

That's fine, I donated weeks ago, will happily donate again on another platform.

Site is running better than ever. I'd say I'm seeing a pretty good return on my investment.

Do you smell something?

Smells like more bullshit from the pricks at Reddit.

Call PayPal and tell them to actually look at the site and tell them how it is no different than reddit.com who uses PayPal for transactions. Talking to a person live can help.

Incidentally, how do porn websites set up to take payments if PayPal doesn't work for them? Maybe use one of those services instead.

Paypal is evil. Moreso now that they're breaking off from the ebay mothership. I received an email this month stating that i had until July 1st to either accept a new set of terms and conditions or delete my account.

I read the tsandcs and found that

a) paypal asserted ownership of intellectual property purchased through its service and

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-future-paypal-changes-terms-service-take-content/

b) use of the service constituted permission to receive spam text and voice calls from paypal or its affiliates REGARDLESS of U.S. Federal do-not-call list.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/11/the-fcc-is-warning-paypal-about-its-robo-calling-policy/

Hell no! I bought bitcoin for the first time ever, and deleted the pp account. Straw that broke the back of the camel.

EDIT: Added links discussing points a) and b) above.

On the plus side I now know I will never own a PayPal account. I've been thinking about getting one for some time now but now I'm certain I'll never get one. Thanks PayPal :)

Shit, can I mail you a check?

The first mistake was using PayPal when they are literally famous for this type of shit.

It seems pretty clear you guys are under attack for some sort of reason.

Https://Coinbase.org is the best way to buy bitcoin and send them. It takes a couple days for them to show up on your wallet but they are secure.

Fuck paypal. I'm so glad I closed my account. Good luck Atko and sue the shit out of them if they don't release the funds.

Don't forget to update the donation text on the various error pages!

Holy shit. At this point it's like people don't want freedom of expression.

This is just fucking ridiculous. Now I see why the Roman Republic fell.

This is awful, can they do that without evidence? Is lawyering up an option?

Coinbase for relatively easy bitcoin purchases/transfers

Are you considering legal action? Does voat have legal representation? I have no idea how much funds do you have at your disposal and what the prediction can be. But it seems like getting a lawyer on retainer is going to be necessity.

The path to freedom is littered with obstacles. We are grateful you are willing to walk it.

I'd switch to Stripe.

PayPal are the biggest bunch of c###s. What happens after 180 days?

Reddit's SJWs in action again I bet. Falsely reporting Voat.

This shit is getting beyond a joke, I feel for you Atko.

Google Wallet?

I wonder how long it will take before an SRS mod boats about reporting Voat to PayPal as a porn service or something.

Well, that was expected. Paypal is a fucking terrible corporation and people should REALLY stop trusting these fucking blackmailers. How many people must these fucks screw before the public stops trusting them with their money?

edit: It seems Google Wallet is just as terrible, so the only solution for an easy to pay system is a build in site pay feature which imo should be a priority now if we want voat to survive. Unless there are other suggestions.

edit2: If you don't want to close your paypal account because you might need it in the future, which is understandable given its popularity, I urge everyone to empty their paypal accounts completely and only use it for direct transactions with their CC. Not just because you're boycotting but to protect your money from these thieving fucks (for example...). Also, if you're buying something from another country make sure to change the settings to stop paypal from converting the currency for you (the setting is in tiny fond during the transaction) because paypal's currency exchange rates are obscenely expensive. It's just another way for paypal to rip off their customers and it's actually an opt-out system which is enraging. And DO NOT "upgrade" your account unless you really need that, iirc there are a couple of scams there too.

Did you really expect any less from PayPal? Especially with the active ongoing sabotage attempts coming from the Reddit pricks?

/rhetorical questions, both.

Can't say I wasn't expecting it. Still, that sucks.

According to PayPal User Agreement, our funds can be kept by PayPal for 180 days.

What happens after? Is the money refunded or sent to your bank account?

This whole story is going to make a great book on day.

This is good personal lesson on reverse psychology. I was considering donation, now I am sure to donate. Probably larger sum than before.