Voat PayPal account has been permanently limited (announcements)

submitted ago by Atko

The reason given was "Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments for certain sexually oriented materials or services or for items that could be considered obscene". This is wrong/false on so many levels. We used PayPal only as a means to receive voluntary donations from people who wanted to support further development of Voat and to help pay for our hosting fees. This is beyond crazy.

According to PayPal User Agreement, our funds can be kept by PayPal for 180 days. I requested further clarification from PayPal, but I would like to advise everyone who planned to donate to Voat - to NOT do so via PayPal.

Honestly, I don't know what I expected when I trusted PayPal with our donation money. I apologize to everyone who donated to us through PayPal and I will badge everyone who did so even if the funds are never released by PayPal.

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lawofchaos ago

I wonder how long it will take before an SRS mod boats about reporting Voat to PayPal as a porn service or something.

nmotsch789 ago

One of the SRS mods is a former Reddit admin, btw. That's how they get away with doxing and harassing.

BedlamPhilosopher ago

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what's going on. Admitted speculation on my part, but the timing of occurring just after the Host Europe shutdown is just too convenient not to involve the ShysteRS.

PureFix ago

The fatties will be parading around on their scooters with buckets of fried chicken chanting "we are victorious"

Scribble ago

I think that's more a case of attention whoring, rather than actual ability. He saw Voat's PayPal frozen, and was simply the first to jump on the 'I did it, me! Look how awesome I am!' train.

WarJakk ago

I'm thinking the same. But hey, gotta get your attention somehow huh?

123_456 ago

I think this is the guy who is doing it. Don't go on a witch hunt, but I think it's him. He's the only one with this username.

Sam Dworkin.

https://twitter.com/dworkinator

http://yooying.com/dworkinator

http://www.sdworkin-design.com/

His information says he's from Eugene Or.

problematica ago

Nope. Wrong person. SRS users are referencing a radical feminist author named Andrea Dworkin. The guy you're pointing to just has the same last name by unfortunate coincidence.

philomath ago

oh, wow. I bet the people at FPH had a field day with her...

TopShelfPrivilege ago

Archived version, for people who would rather not give Ellen Pao's ass-backwards version of Reddit traffic:

https://archive.is/worAe

Majatek ago

Wow, Reddit's community just gets worse and worse. All that I see from Reddit nowadays is constant hatred and vitriol from edgy mcedgemiesters trying to shit all over other users on other websites because "wrongthink".

Also, thanks for the archive. You're doing god's work.

trebach ago

Updated archive since the last one didn't get all the comments: https://archive.is/itnzV

BlackBetty ago

Wow. This sounds a lot like tortuous interference.

SimonWest ago

should have archivend that link. don't send their sub more traffic.

RightInThePussy ago

Just use adblock and HTTPS then it costs them money

lawofchaos ago

Come on people, if this doesn't mean that it's all out war then I don't know what will. Child porn?

MrPim ago

It was just posted. I'd expect the SRD thread soon.

damnbiker ago

How does one report something like that to Paypal? I mean, Reddit is already pretty much dead. Why don't we just report all the NSFW subreddits to Paypal and watch their user based funding slow down even more?

Think about it: There's a lot of user generated NSFW content and no verification of the age of the submitter or the viewer. r/gonewild r/NSFW are two that I can think of, off the top of my head. Anyone else have a list?

shizzard ago

I tried reporting this to the Reddit admins as harassing behaviour and got a snarky "that's just opinion lol" response back. The Reddit admins don't care because they are too busy sucking SRS dicks,

KiTA ago

Just as a reminder:

  • Reddit uses Paypal for their "Gold" accounts.
  • Reddit hosts r/CuteFemaleCorpses, r/BurningKids, and r/sexyabortions (NSFW, hell, Not Safe For Life)
  • Paypal might not know about that.
  • Paypal's support email is [email protected]

Just sayin. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

RottenSausage ago

The actions PayPal took were from a "Brand Protection" perspective. The payment networks (visa, MC) don't act as moral arbiters - but their Brand Protection rules do act on illegal transactions entering the payment system. Therefore corpses and abortions do not fall under brand protection (they are moral issues), but illegal transaction do - such as illegal adult content (rape, child porn), drugs, gambling, counterfeit goods (fake Prada purses, pirated movies) and drugs for instance. So you identify that type of illegal content, report it to the card networks (they have mailboxes to report illegal activity) and then you are actually going somewhere.

Clbull ago

The reason why targeting PayPal is so harmful for Voat and not for Reddit is because the owner of Voat is less willing to compromise on censoring or removing controversial and legal-grey-area content, which has harmed Reddit's growth and perception in the media in the past.

Ironically, flagging up offensive subreddits to PayPal will give the admins the excuse to actually get off their asses and nuke them from orbit and may actually improve their image in the media and draw in more users. A lot of people questioned the choices of subreddits that the admins have removed in the past but nobody's going to question their removal.

RightInThePussy ago

I think it will just continue driving users away,

Regardless I just reported the fuckers to paypal

Internetcoitus ago

Did you really just say Reddit is pretty much dead? Lol that's so detached from reality.

ynnadanny ago

Reddit is already pretty much dead.

Reddit is nowhere near dead. Do you seriously believe that?

Rummel ago

Reddit is dead inside.

Crimson88 ago

Maybe he meant stale? I don't know if I'm being paranoid but the frontpage seems altered in someway everything is safe and nice and upvotes seems to be higher than usual after The Fattening.

doctor_cucumber ago

Lol, this. Much as I wish, Reddit is thriving.

CACKENBOOLS ago

A veritable river of dross.

MrPim ago

The worst ones which came across r/all were /r/realgirls and /r/legalteens. Many questionable aged girls.

damnbiker ago

So, the gone wild and real girls ones, we have no way of knowing if they know of, and approve of, their pictures being posted. You might be able to make the argument for gonewild; but the realgirls subreddit, how do we know it's not all revenge porn?

MrPim ago

Other than the main Gonewild, I think most are not posted by the girls pictured. Gonewild seems to be mostly the women posting selfs (mostly anyway, I think). Then there's candidfashionpolice which is just creepshots re-branded. And this is just what I see come across /all, I don't actually visit those subs. But it's right on the front page. Hypocrites much?

lawofchaos ago

Haha that is a cool way to fight back. But if the higher ups from Reddit and the higher ups from Paypal are golfing buddies (which could also be the case) then you would never get anywhere.

From what I've heard about Paypal, the best solution is actually just to find an alternative to it.

well_golly ago

"Golfing buddies" - Is that what the hip kids call it these days?

That's a nice way to indirectly ask: "Has Ellen Pao slept with some of the executives at PayPal while she was sleeping her way to the top at various companies?"

You know, she's got a history of that sort of thing. <truestory.jpg> But to answer your implied question: I'm not sure if she's banging anyone at PayPal ... but she's probably keeping all her options on the table.

lawofchaos ago

Lol that's a possibility too but wasn't at all what I was implying. I'm sure it would make a lot more business sense for Paypal at the moment to stay on Reddit's good side, there could be all sorts of benefits to that (and friends with benefits is one of those too). Also, people with influence could literally be golfing buddies or friends. I'm sure that many of the rich and powerful go to the same clubs and mingle with each other.

damnbiker ago

True, but why can't we do both?

lawofchaos ago

I don't see why not, it's definitely worth a shot. Fighting fire with fire seems to be the only way to deal with these fuckers, whether people like it or not.

Whatever happened to Anonymous? Weren't they originally from 4chan? We need a serious group of hackers on our side and one with a cult following like Anonymous would be perfect.

damnbiker ago

I don't know that hacking is necessary. Limiting Reddit's access to funds will do far more damage than hacking it.

Soupias ago

We will see soon enough. However I find it hard to believe that actions like these happen because a looney sjw said so. Where is the evidence?

dtch ago

Sadly, it seems like almost anything would get most companies to shut down someone. It's the 'shoot first, ask later' mentalilty.

"Hey boss, someone just said that voat.co hosts child porn!"
"We can't have that! Shut it down!"

VOAT PAYPAL PERMANENTLY LIMITED.

lawofchaos ago

Yeah even with the last time it's questionable if that person boasting about it is really the one solely responsible, I admit. I do think it's quite likely though that the SRS/SJW faction is largely responsible through emails and complaints.

Also, from what I've seen from articles regarding Voat in any online media, it wouldn't surprise me if there are a lot of these loony people in high places.