MrStench:
You still don't pprovide a link/back up your claim, you're background noise end of story
" I don't have time to chase it down for you."
Phony bitch, lamest excuse ever
Link or btfo, that's how it works moron
" I gave some search references,"
You gave shit "there are informations, somewhere..." that's what you gave asshat
"If someone dropped a clue on me like I did on you, I'd be all over it...."
OH I SEE, YOU'RE THE MYSTERIOUS DEEPTHROAT, YOU GIVE US ALL HINTS.... AND YOU ARE... MYSTERIOUS....
attention whore
Get the fuck out
I tried discussing this with someone. The response was, "I can't talk about it. That number? 6 million people dying? That is just too upsetting." So I responded, "Well, where did you get that number? Did you ever consider it might have been propaganda, or perhaps an inaccurate estimate?" Their response: "A number that big—of dead people—it's so disturbing I can't even think about it. It doesn't matter if it gets revised down to a smaller factor."
But that, right there, is innumeracy. (Same thing as illiteracy, but with numbers.) To say that "there's not much difference between 6 million and 37,000"—I just can't believe that someone just told me this.
I had actually always been told the number was 6 million; and I'd always believed it. Until seeing this chart today, and then reading through the discussion of the logistics.
Now that I'm thinking it through, since I have some experience with project management over the last few decades, it does seem highly unlikely that 6 million could have been killed over such a short period of time. MAYBE if you were successively nuking various cities all over France and the UK. But that's not what the Germans supposedly did. They supposedly gassed people in showers, right? The more I think about it, the more I realize how incredibly labor intensive it would have to have been if the "millions of dead people" histories that have been on the books for decades were to actually be true.
Thanks, mate. Particularly for being the catalyst. I read some of those other links you provided. Interesting stuff.
I like getting new perspectives. That's why I've read so much, done so many hallucinogens, done some lucid dreaming, gotten into nootropics...I guess I'm a sort of psychonaut. Oh, also the NDEs and such...you can train your "self" (your conscious mind, anyway) to "die" while falling asleep. That's a very illuminating exercise.
But the mind, my mind, the mind! So interesting when it changes. And I'm learning more and more that history is just a big farce.
The thing I'm still unclear about, though, is global warming. I've been doing a lot of research lately on scientific records of the ice ages and CO2 levels and the anthropocene (epoch) premise. Still don't have an opinion, but I need to get one soon, since I'm writing a novel which discusses a lot of this the stuff.
The comments in this thread where people discuss the logistics of the camps and deduce that it really couldn't have been done back then with the available technology are priceless. Excellent logic! Particularly about the inherent idiocy (and therefore invalidity) of siting the ovens right next to the gas rooms. Uncontrollable explosions, duh!
The last time I remember reading such a well-reasoned argument was the math and the premises that back up the idea of The Great Filter (which explains that the real reason we can't find aliens or any other kind of intelligent life like ourselves in the universe: for every single developing planet, the dominant species reaches a point where they let hubris get the best of them and end up committing global suicide on their very own species). We are rapidly approaching that point! Read up about The Great Filter, definitely instructional:
Emigration from Europe to Israel was not going according to plan, so there was the need to frighten people into relocating. There were also those who were against Zionism who could be gotten rid of in that setting.
There were small gas chambers, much too small for mass executions. They were used to de-louse clothing. If the Germans could build these, why couldn't they have built them on a larger scale to kill people? The answer -- they could have done so, but they did not, because they didn't want to gas large numbers of people.
@WRossAshby he's technically correct. The zyklon-b and gas chambers present were for delousing clothing, and not even the kikes in charge of the tours to the camps claim those are where the killing took place.
So I technically lied about no gas chambers at all being found - I was working with the working definition in the context.
Yes water evaporates but only when heated...something has to fuel it to burn a body to ash. That is a ridiculous amount of fuel needed to burn that many bodies...while using resources to fight a war on multiple fronts at the same time.
And add to that "shipping jews to auschwitz when we need to ship winter clothing and ammo to the eastern front". It was ridiculously stupid. Germans mismanaged a war they could have won, three times, in my estimations.
You're right, but that's almost always because of extremely fat individuals. Which is not something one would reasonably expect to find in a German prison camp.
For a better understanding of what went on, read my other, longer comment. Don't take my commentary to imply what happened is acceptable. It's not. Not in any way. But neither are the lies we've all been forced to swallow.
You can continue to reach all you want. You're still grasping at air. The vast majority of Jews agree they were fed and clothed upon arrival. Might many have perished in transport. Absolutely! But none of that supports your fantasy.
The problem with people such as yourself is that you seemingly take the position that if anyone offers facts they are denying everything. Which is, well idiocy. It's completely dishonest.
People such as myself who actually respect history are NOT claiming this is good stuff. Nor are we claiming no one died. The simple fact is, almost all available evidence confirms the official story is complete bullshit. Fantasy. Much of which has been recanted by Jews themselves. That doesn't mean people didn't die or that horrific things never happened.
Parts of every story are invalid. But a lot of jews disappeared, never to be seen again, and Hitler talked on radio broadcasts of a war of annihilation against jewry. They kept train records of the transports of the never seen again.
You most definitely are correct. Hitler's plan was to remove all aspects of Jews from Germany. But his anger was caused by central bankers and the jews who controlled the media. Who in turn were pushing propaganda against him.
Hitler's documented plan was the expulsion of Jews, the end of their control on media and society, and the end of Jewish banks and bankers; but especially including international central banking influence. Remember, these same banks and bankers were destroying German society as terms for surrender, following WWI.
At the time, globally, this was known as, "jewry." Globally, these sentiments were far from unique to Germany or even Hitler.
See, this is a much more productive discussion than what is even allowed through much of Europe. In case you don't know, in many cases, completely undisputed and legally recognized facts are illegal to use. Usage to adjust the narrative or even hold these such exchanges means imprisonment.
See this thread for past commentary and to better understand my position. AFAIK, this is fully supported by the historical record.
It actually came out of the British desire to keep Germany from being a competitor, leading to the British facilitating WWI, without which there wiuld have been no bolshevik rev or versailles.
Only 1 Rothschild, 1 jew involved. Churchill was very involved.
This is actually where things start to get very blurry. There are many fingers in the pie. Really depends on whos version of history you want to accept while knowing full well no one's version is likely completely accurate.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm simply offering that it's likely your comment and much more.
All your posts in this thread are snatching at low-hanging fruit, half-debunking the irrelevant arguments people are making. You steer clear of the hardest and most damning evidence that denies the Holocaust -- hard records. Never was there an official order from Hitler to exterminate anyone, and the Allies seized millions of NatSoc documents after the War. Red Cross numbers, Soviet-released documents, the facts that only camps that existed in the Soviet-occupied territory of Germany are still considered to have been death camps.
There is no sufficient evidence that 6 million Jews died in WWII, that any number even near that figure of civilizations were killed by the Germans. And you're here talking about water evaporating in corpses, death squads, and the hilarity of the views of those with whom you disagree.
Bullshit; not unless there is evidence the Jews were annihilated can a party be charged guilty. Hitler was not fond of Jews and spoke openly against them, but the actual actions he took were of supporting their economic emigration from Germany, not of exterminating them. Never did he order such a thing and nowhere is there evidence he carried out such a plan.
I don't speak German so all I can get from that video the brief translation of one comment in the video description:
No, I must say truthfully that if we had killed all the 10 million Jews that Himmler's statisticians originally listed in 1933, I would say: Good, we have destroyed an enemy.
This does not prove the Germans did exterminate the Jews; just that by the end of the war there was enough vehemence against the Jews that military officers would not be bothered if they had.
No I am not grasping at straws. Look into the Haavara Transfer Agreement. Hitler helped the Jews create Israel for goodness' sake; he did not kill them.
The fact that you believe something that is insupportable, and then have the audacity to say that I am clutching at straws...
Read all of the sassen transcripts. They are available at the library.
The fact the zionists used the killing of jews for their purposes does not prove jews were not massacred.
Start with 10 million. Himmler numbers.
Count the ones left worldwide after the war.
They didn't all go to Israel, by any stretch of the imagination.
The fascinating fact of all of this is Germany only had 50,000 jews in a country of 65 million people, retarded people, destroyed their war aims by focusing so much on destroying a productive and decorated in WWI portion of society, logistically the infighting helped put nails in the coffin of Barbarossa.
It is not my job to prove Jews were not massacred, it is the job of the ones claiming that Jews were massacred to prove that.
Look in David Cole and his documentary "Cole in Auschwitz". Research Fred Leuchter and the Leuchter Report. There were no gas chambers, there could not have been. There are no mass graves in WWII-German controlled areas anywhere near large enough to even claim the Germans mass-exterminated anyone.
There is plenty of proof that Stalin did. 100 million people in the 20th century died to the USSR. How many of them might have been Jews?
How, when the Allies seized millions of Germany documents, when the Soviets blocked the Red Cross from accessing the Russian-controlled camps immediately after WWII, but then we received the Soviet's files after the Cold War, and everything points to no gas chambers, no extermination order, the financing of emigration of minorities, no mass graves made by Germans...how after all of that can you still persist that Hitler and the NatSocs killed 6 million Jews in WWII?
I'm pulling from multiple sources and you keep falling back on one man's claims. 450,000 gone? It was a contintent-wide war, that isn't too surprising, especially if that number stretches out to include areas where the Soviets had dominion. There was a typhus epidemic in the middle of the entire war as well, which accounted for the majority of the deaths in the camps.
By starving them, not by systematically exterminating them.
And why is it no one talks about the Holodomor and everyone talks about the Holocaust, when there is sufficient evidence for the Holodomor and not the Holocaust?
EDIT: My mistake, you were speaking of the Armenian genocide. The Holodomor was much worse. The Armenian genocide was systematic. But I do not see your point; I am arguing against the Holocaust based on a lack of evidence or technical feasibility, not logistics, which remain questionable given the different situation of Jews in Europe and the Armenians.
February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.
March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
Yes, Hitler hated the Jews; he wrote about this greatly in Mein Kampf. Their treatment of Germans and their behaviour towards him was consistently abhorrent, and Judea declaring war on Germany in 1933 did not help his position. He felt is an existential issue for Germans and Europeans at least -- looking at the world today it seems he was right in a number of ways. I've read other sections of Goebbel's diaries and most references are to the necessity of relocating Jews from Europe, though with reference to brutal methods if possible.
I don't dispute that Hitler was extreme and authoritarian -- I dispute the claim that 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler during WWII based on the total lack of evidence for such a claim. Perhaps he relocated as many Jews to the camps as he could (all the ones who could not relocate to Palestine) once the war started in the hope that typhus would killed many of them. If so that would be terrible, but would still only be hundreds of thousands of deaths, not 6 million which I dispute. What seems more likely though is that all minorities were sent to camps during war time (Canada, US did this too with Japanese, and though those camps were not faced with typhus the conditions were far from great, whereas Hitler may have put on plays for the members in Auschwitz (all I have are eye-witness testimonies for this claim so I will not cite it as fact)).
Judea declared was on Germany and as a result Germany wanted Judea out of Europe. War requires use of force. Ramble about the philosophic meaning all you like. You have still failed to provide evidence for the 6 million Jews dead claim.
Holocaust-denier David Irving describes a 1944 Himmler speech (Skeptic magazine, Vol. 2, No. 4, p. 50):
"If people ask me," said Himmler, "why did you have to kill the children too, then I can only say I am not such a coward that I leave for my children something I can do myself." ... I agree, Himmler said that. He actually said "We're wiping out the Jews. We're murdering them. We're killing them." ... He is talking about solving the Jewish problem, about having to kill off women and children too.
Means and evidence still lacking to support claims of 6 million. No ones denies Jews were killed. Many deny rightly that 6 million were killed (by Germany)
Note how Poland and Russia are both nations that the USSR had control over for large portions of WWII. The USSR invaded Poland from the east at the same time Germany invaded from the West.
The crematoria at Auschwitz were designed to dispose of 140,000 bodies a month for a camp with a capacity of 125,000. The chief engineer of them built commercial funeral home crematoria, not industrial crematoria, after the war that could do a body every 30 minutes.
Motive. Means. Records of transports. Whole lot of jews that disappeared. Maybe they were abducted by extra-terrestrials?
And judea did not declare war on Germany, Britain did, starting in 1911. Britain maneuvered everbody into WWI, which they tried to start in 1911 over Morocco, to keep Germany from being an economic competitor and Churchill miscalculated his Navy being able to quickly win a war.
The crematoria at Auschwitz were designed to dispose of 140,000 bodies a month for a camp with a capacity of 125,000. The chief engineer of them built commercial funeral home crematoria, not industrial crematoria, after the war that could do a body every 30 minutes.
There were no crematoria, there were bathrooms and showers. The chimney was added by the Soviets (beside the building and connected to nothing!) after the war; David Cole showed that the building had been modified heavily post-war, and Leuchter proved that the "crematoria" could not have possibly been used to gas anyone.
Motive. Means. Records of transports. Whole lot of jews that disappeared
No means, you missed on that mark. Body counts also fail miserably to reach the stated narrative figure.
And judea did not declare war on Germany, Britain did, starting in 1911. Britain maneuvered everbody into WWI, which they tried to start in 1911 over Morocco, to keep Germany from being an economic competitor and Churchill miscalculated his Navy being able to quickly win a war.
It was advertized in newspapers in the 30 "Judea declared war on Germany" -- economic war, they wanted to destroy Germany. Yes, WWII resulted from WWI and the disastrous Treaty of Versailles.
Yet the evidence against the plausibility of Auschwitz or any other camp being used as a gas chamber remains perfectly solid. Again, consult the Leuchter Report.
Because of the relatively small concentrations required to exterminate humans as opposed to lice, and because of the far shorter exposure time required, the HCN in the gas chambers used to kill humans hardly had time to form chemical compounds on the walls.
But even in low concentrations this chamber was allegedly used almost non-stop in order to account for all the deaths; even the 250,000 deaths in 1943 claim would require 700 people to be killed a day or 30 and hour -- these people mean to suggest that even in low concentrations no residue would form on the walls with an average of 30 deaths an hour?
the extermination chambers were destroyed. Clearly, their walls were exposed to the elements for forty-five years, which would certainly effect the validity of the samples taken. (The ruins of Krema II are covered with about three feet of water during certain periods of the year, and HCN compounds would eventually dissolve under such conditions. Nonetheless, so many gassings occurred there that some of the compound did remain).
Right here they admit that the sheer frequency of gassing would be sufficient to leave residue, and they claim it is exposure to elements of torn down structures alone that reduced the levels of residue. But not just torn down structures were analyzed, but structures standing in the same condition as the delousing chambers, and the residue remains negligible. In fact the page goes on to reference this argument:
The deniers often claim that the gas chamber in Krema I was left intact, and therefore its walls were not exposed to the elements. Curiously, they also make great issue of the fact that Krema I was converted into an air-raid shelter, and then rebuilt by the Soviet Army, after the liberation of the camp, to reproduce its original shape, saying that it has been used to mislead the public, who were told that people were gassed in the building.
I haven't heard of the Soviets tearing it down and re-building it in the exact same shape; I find this improbable. But if it were the case then I don't see how Holocaust acceptors can use the Krema I building (the only still standing "crematorium" in Auschwitz if I'm not mistaken) as evidence of gas chambers! It is not that either position weakens the deniers' arguments; it weakens the acceptors' arguments whatever the case. If the building remained standing and was not exposed to the elements, and the residue levels remained so negligible, then that shows that that major part of Leuchter's Report is not in fact debunked. But if the building was torn down and rebuilt, then what basis do the acceptors have for pointing to gas chambers in the first place?
The modification consisted of essentially removing some partitioning walls inside the gas chamber, which were added as a common feature of bomb shelters.
At least here they acknowledge the torn down walls instead of pretending they didn't exist. Strange to install walls in a building allegedly built for gassing people only to tear them down before the room is used.
the gas chamber of Krema I was used only for a short time, before the conversion. This, and the fact that "only" about ten thousand people were murdered within it, compared to three-hundred-fifty-thousand and four-hundred-thousand in Kremas II and III, explains why relatively small amounts of cyanide compounds remain. The other Kremas were destroyed by the SS prior to the Soviet liberation.
Oh how convenient! The only crematorium still standing was only used to kill 10,000 people (a number that actually aligns with Soviet records, except these deaths were results of typhus and other causes, not gassing) while the other two crematoria that were destroyed are where the VAST MAJORITY (+350,000) of Jews were allegedly killed.
Holocaust denial asserts that the doors of the "alleged" gas chambers were much too weak to withstand the pressure of people trying to escape death from inside the chambers.
Since none of the Kremas remained in their original state (Bunker I & II and Kremas II,III,IV and V destroyed, and Krema I modified) there is no physical evidence as to what the doors of the extermination gas chambers looked like
Again this word of Krema I being heavily modified is news to me; if other, more sturdy doors were in fact used then that is one less strangeness for me to dwell on. But the idea that this structure was rebuilt I find improbable, pointless, and absurd, and I feel that it's existing in a non-original state does more harm to the acceptor arguments than the denier.
In the course of this final solution of the European Jewish Problem, approximately 11 million Jews are involved. They are distributed among individual countries as follows:
Here they tackle the "denier claim" that there weren't enough Jews to possibly kill 6 million. I'll take a moment to say that I am skipping over a number of points that I say this webpage does successfully debunk, but they are never points I have cited or heard before -- and for the most part they are minor points. So here they say that there were 11 million Jews throughout Europe and the USSR at the time of the war, and 5 million of them were from the USSR. I've never denied any of Stalin's crimes because there is plentiful evidence for them. Hitler did not operate camps in what was the USSR before or during the war, and so I fail to see how 5 million of those Jews can be attributed to him. Did 100% of the remaining Jewish population get killed by Hitler, despite the total numbers not adding up to anything close to that? The second highest number after the 5 million from the USSR is 2.4 million from Poland -- a nation Stalin invaded! Also this page "deleted values from many countries for brevity" so I can't even see where the rest of the Jews really came from -- others numbers are sub-500,000.
There's more but I can't sift through it all now. This page successfully debunks a large number of lesser important claims that were allegedly made in the Leuchter Reports, but I think the largest claims were debunked with the least success. Let us say that I think more discussion and debate could be had on that specific topic. But there are countless other inconsistencies even beyond the contents of Leuchter's reports.
Have you seen the number of appearances of the figure "6 million" with reference to Jews prior to WWII? I'm sorry, friend, but it still seems to me that the Holocaust narrative is rampant with inconsistency and false claims. Did Hitler hate Jews? Certainly. Could he have informally asked for the deaths of those that were in the camps? Of course. Was he a perfect man? Certainly not. But the numbers are wildly higher than most evidence seems to suggest.
I'm going to read through the page this website links to that debunks the Leuchter Report specifically in more detail. Concerning the contents of your link itself, here is the article's conclusion:
Drawing moral equivalences are problematic as the existence of other horrible crimes do not negate the crimes of the Nazis. Holocaust revisionists are actually Holocaust deniers as they reject many of the core aspects of the mainstream historiography of the Holocaust. Like creationists abuse the internal scientific debate between phyletic gradualism and punctuated equilibrium as if it was a debate about the validity of common descent, Holocaust deniers abuse the internal historical debate between intentionalists and functionalists in an attempt to spread uncertainty and doubt regarding Holocaust history at large by quoting historians out of context.
The swimming pool at Auschwitz was a water reservoir for firefighting and pool for SS men and privileged prisoners. The surplus of Zyklon-B left over after delousing at Auschwitz was around 3-6 times more to kill the estimated quarter of a million people during 1943. The claims of the pseudoscientific Leuchter report has been disproved: in reality, the concentration of hydrogen cyanide was too low to be explosive, diesel fumes contain carbon monoxide which can kill people, lice are more resistant to hydrogen cyanide than humans and the walls of the homicidal gas chambers has been exposed to the elements for many decades.
While a single eyewitness might be unreliable, multiple independent eyewitness accounts corroborated by physical evidence are very reliable. By failing to make this key distinction, Holocaust deniers are abusing and distorting cognitive psychology. Demographics and estimates of the number of people killed independently converge, making demographics estimates robust. The word “ausrotten” means exterminate when applied to living things, and no amount of rationalizations by Holocaust deniers will change this was some Nazis spoke of “ausrotten” bacillus or tuberculosis in the same speech and document as “ausrotten” the Jews. No serious person can claim that the Nazis wanted to put tuberculosis bacteria on trains and deport them out of the country.
This summarizes all the points made in the article. I'll go through them one by one and then get back to you once I've read through the thorough Leuchter Report debunking.
moral equivalences are not an argument; I agree.
Holocaust revisionists are actually Holocaust deniers; semantics and terminology, irrelevant.
Holocaust deniers abuse the internal historical debate between intentionalists and functionalists in an attempt to spread uncertainty and doubt regarding Holocaust history at large by quoting historians out of context; this is a sweeping generalization fallacy and largely meaningless towards debunking individual claims.
The swimming pool at Auschwitz was a water reservoir for firefighting and pool for SS men and privileged prisoners; the article states no documentation proving this, and it is a minor issue anyway. I'd be curious to see what the authors of this article would say about the movie theatre indoors, which Jews had access to and enjoyed according to certain Jews who lived in Auschwitz.
The surplus of Zyklon-B left over after delousing at Auschwitz was around 3-6 times more to kill the estimated quarter of a million people during 1943; this section of the article was amusing. They make several estimates about what would be necessary for delousing train yards and barracks and clothings etc and arrive at a figure for leftovers which they then properly demonstrate could be used to kill 250,000 people. They argue the large amount of Zyklon-B sent to Auchwitz (the majority of it distributed at all) are indicative of using the surplus to kill. Yet only a fraction of the totals remain after their estimates "to be used for killing" -- that fraction is the safety buffer. It's basic engineering. Don't sent only what you'll need, send more than you could possibly need in case anything goes wrong. Since more Zyklon-B is needed for pests than people, as the article correctly states, that remaining fraction becomes considerably less of a "surplus" when it is recognized for the intended use of delousing.
The claims of the pseudoscientific Leuchter report has been disproved; I'll return to this point after reviewing the other website.
While a single eyewitness might be unreliable, multiple independent eyewitness accounts corroborated by physical evidence are very reliable; what physical evidence? It omits that part. And what of the large number of eyewitness testimonies that contradict the Holocaust that are supported by physical evidence. I mean the overhead airplane photographs where no extermination or signs of extermination are visible; the claims of a lack of visibility or awareness of any gas chambers, and pre-1945 photographs of Auschwitz without the useless chimney sitting beside the "gas chamber"; the insufficient doors ways for containing the gas; the lack of mass graves aligning with the number claimed dead; the number of dead in Auschwitz changing drastically as the years go on, decreasing from 4 million to a few hundred thousand as is accepted today, without the 6 million figure ever going down? That physical evidence aligns much better with the anti-Holocaust testimonies than any evidence in support of the claim.
The word “ausrotten” means exterminate when applied to living things; the article admits it can be used to mean "uproot" as well, and yet they dismiss this as absurd, whereas I think it fits the situation perfectly. The Germans did want to uproot the Jews -- get them out of Europe. And they began methods to do so and would likely have had more success if not stopped with Britain and France's declaration of War.
That's all the article really supplies; it seems their debunking is easily debunked itself. And it mentioned nothing about how convenient it is that THE ONLY DEATH CAMPS WITH GAS CHAMBERS ARE CAMPS THAT WERE WITHIN SOVIET-OCCUPIED TERRITORY AFTER THE WAR. No mention of the evidence that the Auschwitz chimney was added after the war, no mention of the obvious holes in the Auschwitz gas chamber floor where plumbing (bathroom equipment) had once been, no mention of the marks on the wall clearly indicative of walls having been torn down, no mention of the total lack of formal calls from Hitler to exterminate any group despite the number of documents seized, no mention of the role Stalin played in covering up his own crimes by trying to distract the world with Hitler, no mention of the role Stalin played in killing millions in Poland -- deaths often attributed falsely to Hitler. No mention of so many crucial points! Half this article rambles on about how morally and factually superior Holocaust acceptors are to Holocaust deniers. A pitiful article all things considered.
Yes, and multiple Nazis confessed to horrible crimes during the Nuremburg trials -- and what conditions were those who confessed subjected to? Unless there is evidence to support their claims -- and there is not -- then wise people take those claims with considerable reservations.
So there you have it. I NEVER totally believed the stories, they seemed so over the top. When I got older and understood how much one million was...well I questioned even more. This is no surprise...so much of the world has been revealed to be so dishonest.
There's information out there, part of it done by someone in the military who was tasked with assessing post-bombs, that challenges that nukes were used.
Ooo! Rough tough creampuff! I don't have time to chase it down for you. I gave some search references, but you'd rather spend your time being an asshole. If someone dropped a clue on me like I did on you, I'd be all over it, but you're just looking to be an obnoxious creep. You've shown in many posts you have no human decency, so you're the one who should help yourself to leave.
Were the any gas chambers found in Auschwitz or other camps that have the more typical style of a legitimate gas chamber?
No. There are also no blue stains on the wall that would have come from CYANide (aka Zyklon-B), there is no ventilation system to allow for the safe retrieval of bodies afterwards, the supposed Auschwitz gas chamber was RIGHT NEXT TO the crematorium... cyanide gas is fucking explosive.
There are very good records of coal delivery to the camps. AFAIK, no one disputes their accuracy. Barely enough coal was delivered to keep the prisoners from freezing to death. The official and very well documented coal and train records do not support the notion of mass cremations.
It's also worth pointing out that burning that much coal in one location at open stack crematoriums would have left considerable radioactive ash over the entire surrounding cities and land. No such radiation has ever been detected. Nor has the associated blanket of ash ever been confirmed.
Keep in mind the Germans were very pinched for fuel. Thus the purpose for the naval blockades. It became so bad they were in fact using their coal to create gas and oil. The process is called coal liquefaction. The military need demanded all surplus coal supplies. Which is why it was cut to prisons. This need is why they pressed so hard into the African campaign. Because Africa provided coal, oil (gas and diesel), and industrial diamonds. All of which they desperately needed.
But, as you can see, when the reduction of coal, of course deaths will quickly rise during winters. So the confirmed 300,000 - 600,000 deaths begin to come into scope. Especially as disease took hold. Eventually ending with mass death of prisoners following their rescue and immediate availability of food. These deaths were accidentally caused by Allies freeing prisoners by means of "refeeding syndrome." Meaning the well meaning Allies killed tens of thousands of prisoners, if not more, simply by feeding them.
You can quickly see how this would become a PR nightmare for the Allies. None of this justifies the mass murder of prisoners who would have never died had they not been there. But it in no way supports the narative forced upon us all or something even close to the 6,000,000 number; which has religious significance to Jews.
One day, after the gassing of a transport of prisoners, Nyiszli was summoned by sondercommando working in the gas chambers who had found a girl alive under a mass of bodies in a gas chamber.
The holohoax is a kike scam to get reparations from white nations because they are even lazier than niggers and want a free handout because jews do not believe in hard work. If some jew or goy slave start talking about the holohoax as if it were real, point at them and start laughing
Never heard even one leader or official of the countries mentioned above saying atomic bombs don't exist, not one !
So, you have a wide range of countries, half of which are enemies, or foes, to the other half, and for some very odd reason, not one EVER denounced the atomic bomb fraud, NOT EVEN ONCE
And that's without considering the fact that dozens of nuclear experts saying nuclear bombs don't exist, don't exist either
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Even for 911 you get at least what ? Dozens, half a hundred of experts casting doubts on the official narrative ?
Well, you just admitted your have no evidence to back up your claim thank you very much.
The odds for a world wide conspiracy in order to fake the existence of the atomic bomb, a conspiracy involving, china, russia, the soviet union, cuba, north korea, USA, france, UK, pakistan, India, Iran, israel... Are close to zero, conservative estimate.
The Soviet Jews fabricated the entire thing in order to deflect attention away from their massive atrocities and onto the Germans...we have the spineless Christian dimwits to thank for all this trouble!
You are problably among the few people capable of making a short, fact backed, bullet point list, recapitulating the most obvious frauds of the shohananas narrative still officially accepted to this day
The German records for Auschwitz say that about 1700 jews died there. The Germans kept very detailed records of all prisoners, which included their ethnicity. Way more Poles died at Auschwitz. The Red Cross report, released in the late '40's, put the total death toll in ALL German camps between 1933 and 1945 at around 300,000.
OP's image cites the records that we got from the Soviets after the Cold War, and it says 38,000 Jews died in Auschwitz. Still considerably less than "official" claims, but more than 1700.
Just the logistics of it alone make it utterly impossible, that this myth has persisted so long is testament to the power of propaganda.
Think: fighting a war on two fronts against the world's mightiest militaries; running out of resources and man power; yet somehow can still round up 6 million crypto-jews hiding in attics and under floorboards (keeping in mind that this particular breed of jew is already an expert at hiding in plain sight); trick them all into gassing themselves (jews being dumb as cattle apparently); cremate almost all of the bodies (a process that itself is impossible within the timeframe).....all in the span of less than a decade.
You're left with one of two conclusions: 1) jews are lying bastards 2) Germans really were a race of supermen to accomplish such an extraordinary feat.
(as an added bonus, the same jews who push this myth will then turn around and say that it's physically impossible to round up and deport all the illegals in America)
"It is interesting to see what we can do with truth. We can manipulate reality - that is what people do when they want to get something. The other way is to try to say what you mean - clearly - and see what happens." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1e2DfwN5oQ
(The problem is those grandmothers and cousins and fathers really disappeared - if you go in any country you will find widows or orphans...more than a few thousands. ) but I understand how nice it would be if these minimal numbers were true. It would be easier to restart the whole process. Peterson: " Political psychopathology is always based on lies."
Also, there is a huge difference between them dying in a camp and being tortured and murdered in camp. If there wasn't food for the Germans then why would there be food for their prisoners (that other countries didn't want)?
This is the real story. If you don't want holocaust then you must avoid war. Man is only productive in times of peace. Food is not produced in times of war and of course there are going to be baises in where the starvation happens. The immorality of the holocaust is the immorallity of war.
Hitler was right on so many levels. He revitalized the German economy. He cleaned up the corruption and pornography. He gave the German people a sense of national unity. He restored pride in German art, music and culture. He made the Germans healthy through a whole rack of exercise and fitness programs. He stood strong against the cancer of communism. He gave Germany the Autobahn. He rebuilt the German military. He eliminated inflation. Everything was on the right track, and then he allowed himself to get drawn into the war that Churchill and the Jews were seeking to provoke.
I have always said that people don't realize how many a million is. It is simply not logistically feasible to kill - not to mention dispose of, which takes orders of magnitude longer - 6+ million people in the span of half a decade.
You can argue about how blue the sky is, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or how many ovens the Nazis had and when they had them. But the math just doesn't work out.
For example assume we go with "only" 6 million. Then we assume NO startup time, the camps and all their facilities, as well as the transported prisoners pop into existence all the way back in 1939. Even under that completely unrealistic scenario you are talking about 2700 people a day: 114 people an hour 24 hours a day, day in, day out, every single day for 2200 days straight - in time of war , not missing one single hour for broken equipment, delayed trains, or ANY other reasons.
Conceptually it is possible. But mathematically it is vanishingly unlikely.
I currently work at a cemetery with a retort. When we cremate a body, the unit heats to 1700°F and the average body takes 3.5 hrs at that constant temp to be processed. Larger people 400+lbs can take over 6.5hrs to process properly.
The retort is lined with concrete and has a brick type wall structure and holds heat extremely well. It holds heat so well that with one unit we can process two bodies in a day at most. Typically we pull out a processed person around 5hrs after they were put into the unit. The temperature inside the retort is still around 650°F+ degrees at that time and it feels like your skin is melting off when we are working around the unit with the door open pushing someone out.
Even if there was a way to toss tons of people into an oven at once, the sheer mass of bone structure etc, would take a very long time to reduce them to ash and bone. There are other guidelines we have to follow in this field of work that obviously could be left out to speed things up, especially when you don't have to worry about keeping people separate etc...
The more you think about it, the more questions come up... Like you said, people don't think about how big numbers actually are.
Considering the % of jews that disappeared from Europe and Russia, 400,000 is horseshit. They killed almost 34,000 in 2 days at Babi Yar with firearms.
I don't know enough to form an opinion. But, I have to a do a head scratch when they say that 34K were killed and vast majority of their bodies were burned up in ~40 days. The human body does NOT burn well ... it's mostly water. According to one source, it takes 500-600 kg of wood to burn one body. So, for 34K bodies, you need to chop down roughly 20,000 large (50ft tall) trees. That's clear cutting a good sized forest. Plus you need to mill the wood down to usable pieces. That's not a simple task to be undertaken by a group of soldiers or prisoners in a time of war when manpower and resources were exceedingly valuable.
Again, I don't have an opinion here ... (And, I'm not suggesting that bad things didn't happen. Clearly, people were killed. ) But, as someone who is familiar with manpower and logistics requirements ... this is all rather amazing. That such a herculean effort was undertaken to burn 34K bodies. That's unbelievably impressive to say the least.
This post is a prime example of fake news. To see the atrocities committed by the Nazis, please take a visit to your local Holocaust memorial or museum.
It's not half a decade, it's less. I don't have the time right now to look it up, but we normally look at it as spanning the war, it's not. Auschwitz wasn't built 'till mid '41 IIRC.
Conditions in the camps didn't get bad until after 1943. The deteoration was caused by supply lines being cut, fewer available provisions most of which had to go to German soldiers, and an increased flood of prisoners.
If it was up to me, I'd far more rather spend ww2 in a german summer camp than on the eastern front or getting roasted alive in German cities with my kids.
I wrote my comment before reading this one, and I used the exact same word: logistics. That is literally all it takes to debunk this absurd Talmudic fiction.
Speaking of logistics, it'd be ten times easier using only a bullet to the head. Why waste resources shipping them and holding them just for them to be murdered anyway?
In heavily antisemetic areas, like ukraine and lithuania, that is what they did, with local help. In more civilized areas they did not want to spook people, plus people holding out hope that they were just being robbed and relocated were more compliant. Himmler himself said he chose Auschwitz as his place for executing his final solution.
because apparently they wanted to 'cover their tracks' by building a literal train track pointing directly to the crime scene. How fiendishly clever.
There were concentration camps in Germany where undesirables were separated from the population, but the same was true in the US and even Canada, a fact casually brushed aside by (((historians))).
"I have always said that people don't realize how many a million is. It is simply not logistically feasible to kill - not to mention dispose of, which takes orders of magnitude longer - 6+ million people in the span of half a decade."
Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin, chief executioner for the NKVD—and quite possibly the most prolific executioner in history—is reported to have personally shot and killed 7,000 of the condemned, at Katyn from the Ostashkov camp at Kalinin prison, over a period of 28 days in April 1940 pretty much by himself with a pistol.
He used a German .25, as the nagant revolver recoiled too much for continuous use and he was shooting them in the brain stem point blank, and it was Polish officers by Russians at Katyn. Learn your history.
Often when nazis did reprisal killings, where as often as not they often chose jews to herd up and shoot, they had whole companies of men with rifles, subguns, and pistols. Make them dig a pit, strip, shoot.
I worked at a vodka bottling plant and took bottles off a line and stuck them in boxes at a rate of probably 40-50 a minute all day long.
Analysis of 20,000 mass grave sites by the DC-Cam Mapping Program and Yale University indicate at least 1,386,734 victims of execution.[1][2] Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a 1975 population of roughly 8 million. And this was by un-industrialized people. In 4 years.
It could be done. One of my cousins used to do 12 hour shifts running the captive bolt gun at a slaughterhouse. Every 30-60 seconds BANG, with a 15 minute break here and there, not every 5 minutes.
Killing things unable/unwilling to resist is not very hard and can easily be mechanized. Applies to people, too.
That makes sense. Naturally I didn't think he'd stand there and just shoot people 24/7 - the deaths would likely be clustered, he'd have to sleep and eat, etc.
It seems like there's a more effective way to do this, but I'm wary about giving it too much thought.
if you read man's search for meaning about a fourth of the book was about his time in auschwitz. some guy ended up looking into that and found out that either the real victor frankl was killed in auschwitz or he was only there for at most 3 days. it's like everything you read is such bullshit about ww2
Hitler said, February 24, 1943: "This struggle will not end with the annihilation of Aryan mankind, but with the extermination of the Jewish people in Europe."
I've read the transcript: even with Schlomo's translation, it's in response to the bolshevik shit, and basically saying, "Jews are going to be seen by even our enemies for what they are and what they did, leading to the extermination of them in Europe"
You are the one with fake numbers, faggot. I didnt bother looking at your profile. Why would I? You're an abrasive liar and asshole that seems to have an overly active inagination about others as well.
By the way, you don't insult people with the false accusation that people are part of the 2% of the world that rule you. But it's still a false accusation.
..which in no way would ever even reach just a hundred thousand people let alone bring the numbers up to 6 million total. Im not denying the SS units, especially since the Ukranians wanted revenge against the jews for holodomor, massacred some villages. But that would have been few and far between.
s2s ago
You've got too much time on your hands.
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random_pattern ago
I tried discussing this with someone. The response was, "I can't talk about it. That number? 6 million people dying? That is just too upsetting." So I responded, "Well, where did you get that number? Did you ever consider it might have been propaganda, or perhaps an inaccurate estimate?" Their response: "A number that big—of dead people—it's so disturbing I can't even think about it. It doesn't matter if it gets revised down to a smaller factor."
But that, right there, is innumeracy. (Same thing as illiteracy, but with numbers.) To say that "there's not much difference between 6 million and 37,000"—I just can't believe that someone just told me this.
I had actually always been told the number was 6 million; and I'd always believed it. Until seeing this chart today, and then reading through the discussion of the logistics.
Now that I'm thinking it through, since I have some experience with project management over the last few decades, it does seem highly unlikely that 6 million could have been killed over such a short period of time. MAYBE if you were successively nuking various cities all over France and the UK. But that's not what the Germans supposedly did. They supposedly gassed people in showers, right? The more I think about it, the more I realize how incredibly labor intensive it would have to have been if the "millions of dead people" histories that have been on the books for decades were to actually be true.
Crensch ago
You, sir, have my respect.
It takes serious testicular fortitude to examine beliefs indoctrinated into you, and most don't have the cods to do it.
Cheers to you, faggot.
random_pattern ago
Thanks, mate. Particularly for being the catalyst. I read some of those other links you provided. Interesting stuff.
I like getting new perspectives. That's why I've read so much, done so many hallucinogens, done some lucid dreaming, gotten into nootropics...I guess I'm a sort of psychonaut. Oh, also the NDEs and such...you can train your "self" (your conscious mind, anyway) to "die" while falling asleep. That's a very illuminating exercise.
But the mind, my mind, the mind! So interesting when it changes. And I'm learning more and more that history is just a big farce.
The thing I'm still unclear about, though, is global warming. I've been doing a lot of research lately on scientific records of the ice ages and CO2 levels and the anthropocene (epoch) premise. Still don't have an opinion, but I need to get one soon, since I'm writing a novel which discusses a lot of this the stuff.
The comments in this thread where people discuss the logistics of the camps and deduce that it really couldn't have been done back then with the available technology are priceless. Excellent logic! Particularly about the inherent idiocy (and therefore invalidity) of siting the ovens right next to the gas rooms. Uncontrollable explosions, duh!
The last time I remember reading such a well-reasoned argument was the math and the premises that back up the idea of The Great Filter (which explains that the real reason we can't find aliens or any other kind of intelligent life like ourselves in the universe: for every single developing planet, the dominant species reaches a point where they let hubris get the best of them and end up committing global suicide on their very own species). We are rapidly approaching that point! Read up about The Great Filter, definitely instructional:
The Great Filter
The end indeed is near.
Once again, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Cheers.
Mr_Wizard ago
I'll take "Not enough" for 500 Alex.
s2s ago
Emigration from Europe to Israel was not going according to plan, so there was the need to frighten people into relocating. There were also those who were against Zionism who could be gotten rid of in that setting.
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1Sorry_SOB ago
Sorry folks, I'm going to have to shut this thread down. You're all going to prison.
SayTan ago
Bodies burn.
First they said you can't kill that many.
Mythmakers wince when I point out khemer rouge killed at least 1.5 million with sppades, poison, and pointy sticks to save ammo in only 4 years.
Then "the people who INCREASED wartime production under heavy strategic bombardment can't figure out how to burn lots of bodies fast."
It's like whack-a-mole with history.
That is not a complement.
ardvarcus ago
There were small gas chambers, much too small for mass executions. They were used to de-louse clothing. If the Germans could build these, why couldn't they have built them on a larger scale to kill people? The answer -- they could have done so, but they did not, because they didn't want to gas large numbers of people.
Crensch ago
@WRossAshby he's technically correct. The zyklon-b and gas chambers present were for delousing clothing, and not even the kikes in charge of the tours to the camps claim those are where the killing took place.
So I technically lied about no gas chambers at all being found - I was working with the working definition in the context.
ardvarcus ago
It would be done the same way the Soviets did it, and the Chinese communists did it.
Gorillion ago
Yep, basically human landfill.
SayTan ago
People that want to exterminate jews claiming the Germans sucked at it is always a laugh.
SayTan ago
Utterly ruins your credibility, same as they have problems with theirs.
SayTan ago
So why do y'all focus on trying to pick facts you like?
Germans had the motive, will, and means. They documented a LOT. From the looting and thieving to imprisoning and executing.
Eichman denied nothing and was proud of his effecient work.
murraryrothbard ago
Propaganda can suspend the laws of physics. Corpses can't be used as fuel to burn corpses....each person is about 3 buckets of water...
SayTan ago
Water evaporates and there are plenty of runaway crematoria fires at funeral homes. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5959700
murraryrothbard ago
Yes water evaporates but only when heated...something has to fuel it to burn a body to ash. That is a ridiculous amount of fuel needed to burn that many bodies...while using resources to fight a war on multiple fronts at the same time.
SayTan ago
And add to that "shipping jews to auschwitz when we need to ship winter clothing and ammo to the eastern front". It was ridiculously stupid. Germans mismanaged a war they could have won, three times, in my estimations.
RoundWheel ago
You're right, but that's almost always because of extremely fat individuals. Which is not something one would reasonably expect to find in a German prison camp.
SayTan ago
Once you get the fire going, with dehydrated indiviuals with typhus, your 3 buckets of water aren't there to stop it.
RoundWheel ago
Dehydration was generally not an issue. It was food, clothing, coal, sanitation, and medication which were the items largely in need.
Edit: Generally, those suffering from dehydration were suffering because of disease.
SayTan ago
But all the deniers say it was typhus/dysentery... Which tend to kill through dehydration as much as anything.
Y'all need a more consistent set of myths.
everef ago
Death due to dehydration occurs when the body loses 15-25% of its water.
RoundWheel ago
Read what I said. Nothing I stated contradicts these facts.
When you're vomiting of suffering from diarrhea, dehydration is common even when water is readily available.
It appears I was editing my comment at the same time you were creating yours.
SayTan ago
Therefore, they could easily lack 3 buckets of water on board, especially emaciated people.
RoundWheel ago
For a better understanding of what went on, read my other, longer comment. Don't take my commentary to imply what happened is acceptable. It's not. Not in any way. But neither are the lies we've all been forced to swallow.
https://voat.co/v/politics/2029512/10015211
RoundWheel ago
But this violates the time-line, invalidates all of the Jew statements claiming they were coal fired.
So basically, you now agree that the official story is invalid.
SayTan ago
People in the cattlecars had no food or water.
RoundWheel ago
You can continue to reach all you want. You're still grasping at air. The vast majority of Jews agree they were fed and clothed upon arrival. Might many have perished in transport. Absolutely! But none of that supports your fantasy.
The problem with people such as yourself is that you seemingly take the position that if anyone offers facts they are denying everything. Which is, well idiocy. It's completely dishonest.
People such as myself who actually respect history are NOT claiming this is good stuff. Nor are we claiming no one died. The simple fact is, almost all available evidence confirms the official story is complete bullshit. Fantasy. Much of which has been recanted by Jews themselves. That doesn't mean people didn't die or that horrific things never happened.
Again: https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/2010092/9911348
SayTan ago
Parts of every story are invalid. But a lot of jews disappeared, never to be seen again, and Hitler talked on radio broadcasts of a war of annihilation against jewry. They kept train records of the transports of the never seen again.
RoundWheel ago
You most definitely are correct. Hitler's plan was to remove all aspects of Jews from Germany. But his anger was caused by central bankers and the jews who controlled the media. Who in turn were pushing propaganda against him.
Hitler's documented plan was the expulsion of Jews, the end of their control on media and society, and the end of Jewish banks and bankers; but especially including international central banking influence. Remember, these same banks and bankers were destroying German society as terms for surrender, following WWI.
At the time, globally, this was known as, "jewry." Globally, these sentiments were far from unique to Germany or even Hitler.
See, this is a much more productive discussion than what is even allowed through much of Europe. In case you don't know, in many cases, completely undisputed and legally recognized facts are illegal to use. Usage to adjust the narrative or even hold these such exchanges means imprisonment.
See this thread for past commentary and to better understand my position. AFAIK, this is fully supported by the historical record.
https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/2010092/9911348
SayTan ago
It actually came out of the British desire to keep Germany from being a competitor, leading to the British facilitating WWI, without which there wiuld have been no bolshevik rev or versailles.
Only 1 Rothschild, 1 jew involved. Churchill was very involved.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hidden-history-the-secret-origins-of-the-first-world-war/5600090
RoundWheel ago
This is actually where things start to get very blurry. There are many fingers in the pie. Really depends on whos version of history you want to accept while knowing full well no one's version is likely completely accurate.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm simply offering that it's likely your comment and much more.
10014348? ago
All your posts in this thread are snatching at low-hanging fruit, half-debunking the irrelevant arguments people are making. You steer clear of the hardest and most damning evidence that denies the Holocaust -- hard records. Never was there an official order from Hitler to exterminate anyone, and the Allies seized millions of NatSoc documents after the War. Red Cross numbers, Soviet-released documents, the facts that only camps that existed in the Soviet-occupied territory of Germany are still considered to have been death camps.
There is no sufficient evidence that 6 million Jews died in WWII, that any number even near that figure of civilizations were killed by the Germans. And you're here talking about water evaporating in corpses, death squads, and the hilarity of the views of those with whom you disagree.
SayTan ago
I guess Eichmann was a liar?
10014862? ago
There are plenty of liars in the world. I don't trust testimonies made by anyone unless they are supported by some kind of evidence.
Innocent until proven guilty. The Germans received no such consideration.
SayTan ago
When your stated goal is annihalating the jews, you tend to lose "benefit of the doubt."
10015069? ago
Bullshit; not unless there is evidence the Jews were annihilated can a party be charged guilty. Hitler was not fond of Jews and spoke openly against them, but the actual actions he took were of supporting their economic emigration from Germany, not of exterminating them. Never did he order such a thing and nowhere is there evidence he carried out such a plan.
SayTan ago
Wansee conference notes. He didn't have any place to deport them that he did not want for German nationals. Madagascar was a pipe dream.
https://youtu.be/VwoS1WN8MKM
You are grasping at straws that aren't there.
10015327? ago
I don't speak German so all I can get from that video the brief translation of one comment in the video description:
This does not prove the Germans did exterminate the Jews; just that by the end of the war there was enough vehemence against the Jews that military officers would not be bothered if they had.
No I am not grasping at straws. Look into the Haavara Transfer Agreement. Hitler helped the Jews create Israel for goodness' sake; he did not kill them.
The fact that you believe something that is insupportable, and then have the audacity to say that I am clutching at straws...
SayTan ago
Read all of the sassen transcripts. They are available at the library.
The fact the zionists used the killing of jews for their purposes does not prove jews were not massacred.
Start with 10 million. Himmler numbers. Count the ones left worldwide after the war.
They didn't all go to Israel, by any stretch of the imagination.
The fascinating fact of all of this is Germany only had 50,000 jews in a country of 65 million people, retarded people, destroyed their war aims by focusing so much on destroying a productive and decorated in WWI portion of society, logistically the infighting helped put nails in the coffin of Barbarossa.
10015620? ago
It is not my job to prove Jews were not massacred, it is the job of the ones claiming that Jews were massacred to prove that.
Look in David Cole and his documentary "Cole in Auschwitz". Research Fred Leuchter and the Leuchter Report. There were no gas chambers, there could not have been. There are no mass graves in WWII-German controlled areas anywhere near large enough to even claim the Germans mass-exterminated anyone.
There is plenty of proof that Stalin did. 100 million people in the 20th century died to the USSR. How many of them might have been Jews?
How, when the Allies seized millions of Germany documents, when the Soviets blocked the Red Cross from accessing the Russian-controlled camps immediately after WWII, but then we received the Soviet's files after the Cold War, and everything points to no gas chambers, no extermination order, the financing of emigration of minorities, no mass graves made by Germans...how after all of that can you still persist that Hitler and the NatSocs killed 6 million Jews in WWII?
SayTan ago
Eichmann claimed 5 mil and way more than 450,000 disappeared forever.
10015877? ago
I'm pulling from multiple sources and you keep falling back on one man's claims. 450,000 gone? It was a contintent-wide war, that isn't too surprising, especially if that number stretches out to include areas where the Soviets had dominion. There was a typhus epidemic in the middle of the entire war as well, which accounted for the majority of the deaths in the camps.
SayTan ago
Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians in a country with no modern vehicles, roads, or rail system in THREE years.
10016360? ago
By starving them, not by systematically exterminating them.
And why is it no one talks about the Holodomor and everyone talks about the Holocaust, when there is sufficient evidence for the Holodomor and not the Holocaust?
EDIT: My mistake, you were speaking of the Armenian genocide. The Holodomor was much worse. The Armenian genocide was systematic. But I do not see your point; I am arguing against the Holocaust based on a lack of evidence or technical feasibility, not logistics, which remain questionable given the different situation of Jews in Europe and the Armenians.
SayTan ago
Goebbel's diary:
February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.
March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
10016740? ago
Yes, Hitler hated the Jews; he wrote about this greatly in Mein Kampf. Their treatment of Germans and their behaviour towards him was consistently abhorrent, and Judea declaring war on Germany in 1933 did not help his position. He felt is an existential issue for Germans and Europeans at least -- looking at the world today it seems he was right in a number of ways. I've read other sections of Goebbel's diaries and most references are to the necessity of relocating Jews from Europe, though with reference to brutal methods if possible.
I don't dispute that Hitler was extreme and authoritarian -- I dispute the claim that 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler during WWII based on the total lack of evidence for such a claim. Perhaps he relocated as many Jews to the camps as he could (all the ones who could not relocate to Palestine) once the war started in the hope that typhus would killed many of them. If so that would be terrible, but would still only be hundreds of thousands of deaths, not 6 million which I dispute. What seems more likely though is that all minorities were sent to camps during war time (Canada, US did this too with Japanese, and though those camps were not faced with typhus the conditions were far from great, whereas Hitler may have put on plays for the members in Auschwitz (all I have are eye-witness testimonies for this claim so I will not cite it as fact)).
Judea declared was on Germany and as a result Germany wanted Judea out of Europe. War requires use of force. Ramble about the philosophic meaning all you like. You have still failed to provide evidence for the 6 million Jews dead claim.
SayTan ago
Holocaust-denier David Irving describes a 1944 Himmler speech (Skeptic magazine, Vol. 2, No. 4, p. 50): "If people ask me," said Himmler, "why did you have to kill the children too, then I can only say I am not such a coward that I leave for my children something I can do myself." ... I agree, Himmler said that. He actually said "We're wiping out the Jews. We're murdering them. We're killing them." ... He is talking about solving the Jewish problem, about having to kill off women and children too.
10017031? ago
Means and evidence still lacking to support claims of 6 million. No ones denies Jews were killed. Many deny rightly that 6 million were killed (by Germany)
SayTan ago
3.2 million polish jews and 1 million russian jews just vanished into thin air when Goebbels and Himmler said they were being exterminated?
10017251? ago
Note how Poland and Russia are both nations that the USSR had control over for large portions of WWII. The USSR invaded Poland from the east at the same time Germany invaded from the West.
SayTan ago
And the Germans invaded both with Einsatzgruppen.
SayTan ago
The crematoria at Auschwitz were designed to dispose of 140,000 bodies a month for a camp with a capacity of 125,000. The chief engineer of them built commercial funeral home crematoria, not industrial crematoria, after the war that could do a body every 30 minutes.
Motive. Means. Records of transports. Whole lot of jews that disappeared. Maybe they were abducted by extra-terrestrials?
And judea did not declare war on Germany, Britain did, starting in 1911. Britain maneuvered everbody into WWI, which they tried to start in 1911 over Morocco, to keep Germany from being an economic competitor and Churchill miscalculated his Navy being able to quickly win a war.
10017010? ago
There were no crematoria, there were bathrooms and showers. The chimney was added by the Soviets (beside the building and connected to nothing!) after the war; David Cole showed that the building had been modified heavily post-war, and Leuchter proved that the "crematoria" could not have possibly been used to gas anyone.
No means, you missed on that mark. Body counts also fail miserably to reach the stated narrative figure.
It was advertized in newspapers in the 30 "Judea declared war on Germany" -- economic war, they wanted to destroy Germany. Yes, WWII resulted from WWI and the disastrous Treaty of Versailles.
SayTan ago
Less than 1% of the world boycotting Germany for actions against jews was a huge genocidal war on germany? Horseshit.
SayTan ago
David Cole has revised much of what he said 20-30 years ago.
10017229? ago
Yet the evidence against the plausibility of Auschwitz or any other camp being used as a gas chamber remains perfectly solid. Again, consult the Leuchter Report.
SayTan ago
Leuchter report has been refuted. https://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/09/14/the-intellectually-barren-wasteland-of-holocaust-denial/
10018118? ago
From the other website:
But even in low concentrations this chamber was allegedly used almost non-stop in order to account for all the deaths; even the 250,000 deaths in 1943 claim would require 700 people to be killed a day or 30 and hour -- these people mean to suggest that even in low concentrations no residue would form on the walls with an average of 30 deaths an hour?
Right here they admit that the sheer frequency of gassing would be sufficient to leave residue, and they claim it is exposure to elements of torn down structures alone that reduced the levels of residue. But not just torn down structures were analyzed, but structures standing in the same condition as the delousing chambers, and the residue remains negligible. In fact the page goes on to reference this argument:
I haven't heard of the Soviets tearing it down and re-building it in the exact same shape; I find this improbable. But if it were the case then I don't see how Holocaust acceptors can use the Krema I building (the only still standing "crematorium" in Auschwitz if I'm not mistaken) as evidence of gas chambers! It is not that either position weakens the deniers' arguments; it weakens the acceptors' arguments whatever the case. If the building remained standing and was not exposed to the elements, and the residue levels remained so negligible, then that shows that that major part of Leuchter's Report is not in fact debunked. But if the building was torn down and rebuilt, then what basis do the acceptors have for pointing to gas chambers in the first place?
At least here they acknowledge the torn down walls instead of pretending they didn't exist. Strange to install walls in a building allegedly built for gassing people only to tear them down before the room is used.
Oh how convenient! The only crematorium still standing was only used to kill 10,000 people (a number that actually aligns with Soviet records, except these deaths were results of typhus and other causes, not gassing) while the other two crematoria that were destroyed are where the VAST MAJORITY (+350,000) of Jews were allegedly killed.
Again this word of Krema I being heavily modified is news to me; if other, more sturdy doors were in fact used then that is one less strangeness for me to dwell on. But the idea that this structure was rebuilt I find improbable, pointless, and absurd, and I feel that it's existing in a non-original state does more harm to the acceptor arguments than the denier.
Here they tackle the "denier claim" that there weren't enough Jews to possibly kill 6 million. I'll take a moment to say that I am skipping over a number of points that I say this webpage does successfully debunk, but they are never points I have cited or heard before -- and for the most part they are minor points. So here they say that there were 11 million Jews throughout Europe and the USSR at the time of the war, and 5 million of them were from the USSR. I've never denied any of Stalin's crimes because there is plentiful evidence for them. Hitler did not operate camps in what was the USSR before or during the war, and so I fail to see how 5 million of those Jews can be attributed to him. Did 100% of the remaining Jewish population get killed by Hitler, despite the total numbers not adding up to anything close to that? The second highest number after the 5 million from the USSR is 2.4 million from Poland -- a nation Stalin invaded! Also this page "deleted values from many countries for brevity" so I can't even see where the rest of the Jews really came from -- others numbers are sub-500,000.
There's more but I can't sift through it all now. This page successfully debunks a large number of lesser important claims that were allegedly made in the Leuchter Reports, but I think the largest claims were debunked with the least success. Let us say that I think more discussion and debate could be had on that specific topic. But there are countless other inconsistencies even beyond the contents of Leuchter's reports.
Have you seen the number of appearances of the figure "6 million" with reference to Jews prior to WWII? I'm sorry, friend, but it still seems to me that the Holocaust narrative is rampant with inconsistency and false claims. Did Hitler hate Jews? Certainly. Could he have informally asked for the deaths of those that were in the camps? Of course. Was he a perfect man? Certainly not. But the numbers are wildly higher than most evidence seems to suggest.
10017774? ago
I'm going to read through the page this website links to that debunks the Leuchter Report specifically in more detail. Concerning the contents of your link itself, here is the article's conclusion:
This summarizes all the points made in the article. I'll go through them one by one and then get back to you once I've read through the thorough Leuchter Report debunking.
That's all the article really supplies; it seems their debunking is easily debunked itself. And it mentioned nothing about how convenient it is that THE ONLY DEATH CAMPS WITH GAS CHAMBERS ARE CAMPS THAT WERE WITHIN SOVIET-OCCUPIED TERRITORY AFTER THE WAR. No mention of the evidence that the Auschwitz chimney was added after the war, no mention of the obvious holes in the Auschwitz gas chamber floor where plumbing (bathroom equipment) had once been, no mention of the marks on the wall clearly indicative of walls having been torn down, no mention of the total lack of formal calls from Hitler to exterminate any group despite the number of documents seized, no mention of the role Stalin played in covering up his own crimes by trying to distract the world with Hitler, no mention of the role Stalin played in killing millions in Poland -- deaths often attributed falsely to Hitler. No mention of so many crucial points! Half this article rambles on about how morally and factually superior Holocaust acceptors are to Holocaust deniers. A pitiful article all things considered.
SayTan ago
They executed lots of Armenians with shitty logistics.
SayTan ago
In the Sassen Tapes Eichmann claimed at least 5 million enemies of the Reich. Sassen was a nazi collaborator, not a jew.
10015081? ago
Yes, and multiple Nazis confessed to horrible crimes during the Nuremburg trials -- and what conditions were those who confessed subjected to? Unless there is evidence to support their claims -- and there is not -- then wise people take those claims with considerable reservations.
Sueshia101 ago
So there you have it. I NEVER totally believed the stories, they seemed so over the top. When I got older and understood how much one million was...well I questioned even more. This is no surprise...so much of the world has been revealed to be so dishonest.
Crensch ago
And yet, the (((Bolshevik))) genocide is pretty likely to have happened.
MecifulDeath ago
Oy vey! Remember the 6 Gorillion, goyim!
Red_Menace ago
It seems to me that the MSM WW2 Jew death toll narrative is FULL OF SHIT.
Othmar_Regin ago
I am glad Voat does not have servers in Germany, Austria or France
Crensch ago
https://voat.co/v/politics/2029659
https://voat.co/v/politics/2029644
You're right, but there's far more to it than that!
10012949? ago
No, that was your original attempt at trolling, and it's still failing miserably...
The burden of proof is still on you since post 1, that's what is "inflamatory" here...
"After that every post was about the limits of knowledge."
Indeed...
You made and unbacked claim and now you strut around claiming victory.
lol
you're amusing...
s2s ago
There's information out there, part of it done by someone in the military who was tasked with assessing post-bombs, that challenges that nukes were used.
s2s
10017508? ago
Oh that's great
And there's a pirate treasure somewhere, too
s2s ago
Apparently, you've mistakenly landed here. You should be posting on an MSM-embracing forum.
s2s
10020643? ago
Hey pissbag, you can't back your claim you shut the fuck up, you're useless, off yourself old shit
s2s ago
Ooo! Rough tough creampuff! I don't have time to chase it down for you. I gave some search references, but you'd rather spend your time being an asshole. If someone dropped a clue on me like I did on you, I'd be all over it, but you're just looking to be an obnoxious creep. You've shown in many posts you have no human decency, so you're the one who should help yourself to leave.
s2s
10022150? ago
You still don't pprovide a link/back up your claim, you're background noise end of story
" I don't have time to chase it down for you."
Phony bitch, lamest excuse ever
Link or btfo, that's how it works moron
" I gave some search references,"
You gave shit "there are informations, somewhere..." that's what you gave asshat
"If someone dropped a clue on me like I did on you, I'd be all over it...."
OH I SEE, YOU'RE THE MYSTERIOUS DEEPTHROAT, YOU GIVE US ALL HINTS.... AND YOU ARE... MYSTERIOUS....
attention whore
Get the fuck out
Crensch ago
Yep. None of it does.
It was a hoax - all of it. And every single person indoctrinated about it should be pissed.
I've posted quite a few redpills about it in the past couple hours if you want to check my submissions.
10012900? ago
"Again, the point wasn't weather nuke exist. "
You're the one claiming nuclear explosions footages are slow mo footages of TNT explosions
Burden of proof is on you
What proof did you bring on the table ?
None
I go with the consensus rather than with "some loon on the interwebs and his unbacked claims"
You lose, loon
Crensch ago
No. There are also no blue stains on the wall that would have come from CYANide (aka Zyklon-B), there is no ventilation system to allow for the safe retrieval of bodies afterwards, the supposed Auschwitz gas chamber was RIGHT NEXT TO the crematorium... cyanide gas is fucking explosive.
GODFREY1096 ago
To burn 6,000,000 Jews it would take train loads of coal.
RoundWheel ago
There are very good records of coal delivery to the camps. AFAIK, no one disputes their accuracy. Barely enough coal was delivered to keep the prisoners from freezing to death. The official and very well documented coal and train records do not support the notion of mass cremations.
It's also worth pointing out that burning that much coal in one location at open stack crematoriums would have left considerable radioactive ash over the entire surrounding cities and land. No such radiation has ever been detected. Nor has the associated blanket of ash ever been confirmed.
Keep in mind the Germans were very pinched for fuel. Thus the purpose for the naval blockades. It became so bad they were in fact using their coal to create gas and oil. The process is called coal liquefaction. The military need demanded all surplus coal supplies. Which is why it was cut to prisons. This need is why they pressed so hard into the African campaign. Because Africa provided coal, oil (gas and diesel), and industrial diamonds. All of which they desperately needed.
But, as you can see, when the reduction of coal, of course deaths will quickly rise during winters. So the confirmed 300,000 - 600,000 deaths begin to come into scope. Especially as disease took hold. Eventually ending with mass death of prisoners following their rescue and immediate availability of food. These deaths were accidentally caused by Allies freeing prisoners by means of "refeeding syndrome." Meaning the well meaning Allies killed tens of thousands of prisoners, if not more, simply by feeding them.
You can quickly see how this would become a PR nightmare for the Allies. None of this justifies the mass murder of prisoners who would have never died had they not been there. But it in no way supports the narative forced upon us all or something even close to the 6,000,000 number; which has religious significance to Jews.
10012827? ago
"But I have made no assumptions. I baited you with something inflammatory. Worked like a charm."
ROFL
You failed miserably at trolling, you barely managed to hold water after the second post before sinking into failure like a stone in the water
Face it, you suck at what you do best you fucking lamer
Next time try at least to invoke Galen Winsor harder you douche haha
Crensch ago
On the wiki,
Yeah, it's a fake.
https://imgoat.com/uploads/c383cd30b7/34338.jpg
Cheesebooger ago
The holohoax is a kike scam to get reparations from white nations because they are even lazier than niggers and want a free handout because jews do not believe in hard work. If some jew or goy slave start talking about the holohoax as if it were real, point at them and start laughing
10012722? ago
And you're making an even bigger assumption, to the point of making an ass of yourself
Find me one scientist saying nuclear bomb don't exist
Go ahead, pull that guy, and see what happens
10012548? ago
Never heard even one leader or official of the countries mentioned above saying atomic bombs don't exist, not one !
So, you have a wide range of countries, half of which are enemies, or foes, to the other half, and for some very odd reason, not one EVER denounced the atomic bomb fraud, NOT EVEN ONCE
And that's without considering the fact that dozens of nuclear experts saying nuclear bombs don't exist, don't exist either
...
Even for 911 you get at least what ? Dozens, half a hundred of experts casting doubts on the official narrative ?
Nuclear bombs don't exist ?
None
...
10012444? ago
whatever, "they" don't go along with 911, starting with iran you douche
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4M8vlyCUI
10012359? ago
Well, you just admitted your have no evidence to back up your claim thank you very much.
The odds for a world wide conspiracy in order to fake the existence of the atomic bomb, a conspiracy involving, china, russia, the soviet union, cuba, north korea, USA, france, UK, pakistan, India, Iran, israel... Are close to zero, conservative estimate.
...
dooob ago
Is the final number total of Jews in Germany or total of Jews in Russian occupied camps in Germany?
10014401? ago
The official narrative today claims that only Russian occupied camps were used as death camps in Germany.
Crensch ago
@dooob strangely enough, only the Russian-occupied camps prevented the Red Cross from coming in and taking stock of what happened where.
The ones they were allowed into after the original claims of being death camps wound up being exonerated.
dooob ago
If my memory serves me right, death camps were found only on Russian occupied camps.
10015364? ago
But then we got the Soviet's own records and now we know that not even the Russian-occupied camps were death camps.
PsyOp ago
The Soviet Jews fabricated the entire thing in order to deflect attention away from their massive atrocities and onto the Germans...we have the spineless Christian dimwits to thank for all this trouble!
10012234? ago
They aren't all in slow mo you douche
Prove me atomic bombs don't exist or btfo
Right now you prove shit
10012166? ago
Oh I see, you are one of them...
Crensch ago
Which "this"?
I just kinda post the political stuff to politics, the juicy stuff to JuiceTown, and the odd-end stuff to whatever.
I'm doing so now because Chaim is out downvoting a lot of this content.
10013466? ago
You are problably among the few people capable of making a short, fact backed, bullet point list, recapitulating the most obvious frauds of the shohananas narrative still officially accepted to this day
Buzzzard ago
The German records for Auschwitz say that about 1700 jews died there. The Germans kept very detailed records of all prisoners, which included their ethnicity. Way more Poles died at Auschwitz. The Red Cross report, released in the late '40's, put the total death toll in ALL German camps between 1933 and 1945 at around 300,000.
10014293? ago
OP's image cites the records that we got from the Soviets after the Cold War, and it says 38,000 Jews died in Auschwitz. Still considerably less than "official" claims, but more than 1700.
WhiteRonin ago
All recorded with IBM machines ;-)
Jason_Argo ago
Just the logistics of it alone make it utterly impossible, that this myth has persisted so long is testament to the power of propaganda.
Think: fighting a war on two fronts against the world's mightiest militaries; running out of resources and man power; yet somehow can still round up 6 million crypto-jews hiding in attics and under floorboards (keeping in mind that this particular breed of jew is already an expert at hiding in plain sight); trick them all into gassing themselves (jews being dumb as cattle apparently); cremate almost all of the bodies (a process that itself is impossible within the timeframe).....all in the span of less than a decade.
You're left with one of two conclusions: 1) jews are lying bastards 2) Germans really were a race of supermen to accomplish such an extraordinary feat.
(as an added bonus, the same jews who push this myth will then turn around and say that it's physically impossible to round up and deport all the illegals in America)
boekanier ago
6 is a secret number among jews. So they fabricated a number awesome enough with 6 in it.
VoutGuy ago
You know, the difference between the official count and their exagerated one is not that great.
It's only a 1500% difference. It's within the scientific typical margin of error.
HitlerDinduNufin ago
If any of this has piqued your interest I IMPLORE you to watch David Irving videos on YouTube. Possibly the greatest WW2 historian who ever lived.
fr33europe ago
Absolutely. His video on Churchill was really well done too.
Crensch ago
piqued*
HitlerDinduNufin ago
Thanks!
Yolwan ago
"It is interesting to see what we can do with truth. We can manipulate reality - that is what people do when they want to get something. The other way is to try to say what you mean - clearly - and see what happens." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1e2DfwN5oQ (The problem is those grandmothers and cousins and fathers really disappeared - if you go in any country you will find widows or orphans...more than a few thousands. ) but I understand how nice it would be if these minimal numbers were true. It would be easier to restart the whole process. Peterson: " Political psychopathology is always based on lies."
TerraKell ago
Yolwan: Member for 2 months, SCP: 1, CCP: -3
Obvious throwaway account
Crensch ago
Found the Jew.
peacegnome ago
Also, there is a huge difference between them dying in a camp and being tortured and murdered in camp. If there wasn't food for the Germans then why would there be food for their prisoners (that other countries didn't want)?
bikergang_accountant ago
This is the real story. If you don't want holocaust then you must avoid war. Man is only productive in times of peace. Food is not produced in times of war and of course there are going to be baises in where the starvation happens. The immorality of the holocaust is the immorallity of war.
carryon ago
Hitler failed on so many levels. He was our only chance to stem the tide. Now look at the West...
ardvarcus ago
Hitler was right on so many levels. He revitalized the German economy. He cleaned up the corruption and pornography. He gave the German people a sense of national unity. He restored pride in German art, music and culture. He made the Germans healthy through a whole rack of exercise and fitness programs. He stood strong against the cancer of communism. He gave Germany the Autobahn. He rebuilt the German military. He eliminated inflation. Everything was on the right track, and then he allowed himself to get drawn into the war that Churchill and the Jews were seeking to provoke.
carryon ago
That's what I'm saying. :-)
acheron2012 ago
I have always said that people don't realize how many a million is. It is simply not logistically feasible to kill - not to mention dispose of, which takes orders of magnitude longer - 6+ million people in the span of half a decade.
You can argue about how blue the sky is, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or how many ovens the Nazis had and when they had them. But the math just doesn't work out.
For example assume we go with "only" 6 million. Then we assume NO startup time, the camps and all their facilities, as well as the transported prisoners pop into existence all the way back in 1939. Even under that completely unrealistic scenario you are talking about 2700 people a day: 114 people an hour 24 hours a day, day in, day out, every single day for 2200 days straight - in time of war , not missing one single hour for broken equipment, delayed trains, or ANY other reasons.
Conceptually it is possible. But mathematically it is vanishingly unlikely.
Biscuitbaiter ago
I currently work at a cemetery with a retort. When we cremate a body, the unit heats to 1700°F and the average body takes 3.5 hrs at that constant temp to be processed. Larger people 400+lbs can take over 6.5hrs to process properly.
The retort is lined with concrete and has a brick type wall structure and holds heat extremely well. It holds heat so well that with one unit we can process two bodies in a day at most. Typically we pull out a processed person around 5hrs after they were put into the unit. The temperature inside the retort is still around 650°F+ degrees at that time and it feels like your skin is melting off when we are working around the unit with the door open pushing someone out.
Even if there was a way to toss tons of people into an oven at once, the sheer mass of bone structure etc, would take a very long time to reduce them to ash and bone. There are other guidelines we have to follow in this field of work that obviously could be left out to speed things up, especially when you don't have to worry about keeping people separate etc...
The more you think about it, the more questions come up... Like you said, people don't think about how big numbers actually are.
SayTan ago
Considering the % of jews that disappeared from Europe and Russia, 400,000 is horseshit. They killed almost 34,000 in 2 days at Babi Yar with firearms.
mostlyfriendly ago
Some would suggest that's part of the fabricated narrative.
I don't know enough to form an opinion. But, I have to a do a head scratch when they say that 34K were killed and vast majority of their bodies were burned up in ~40 days. The human body does NOT burn well ... it's mostly water. According to one source, it takes 500-600 kg of wood to burn one body. So, for 34K bodies, you need to chop down roughly 20,000 large (50ft tall) trees. That's clear cutting a good sized forest. Plus you need to mill the wood down to usable pieces. That's not a simple task to be undertaken by a group of soldiers or prisoners in a time of war when manpower and resources were exceedingly valuable.
Again, I don't have an opinion here ... (And, I'm not suggesting that bad things didn't happen. Clearly, people were killed. ) But, as someone who is familiar with manpower and logistics requirements ... this is all rather amazing. That such a herculean effort was undertaken to burn 34K bodies. That's unbelievably impressive to say the least.
JohnCStevenson ago
This post is a prime example of fake news. To see the atrocities committed by the Nazis, please take a visit to your local Holocaust memorial or museum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_memorials_and_museums
SelfReferenceParadox ago
No, it's true! To see the real atrocities committed by the nazis, please take a visit to your local Neo-Nazi group.
fr33europe ago
It's not half a decade, it's less. I don't have the time right now to look it up, but we normally look at it as spanning the war, it's not. Auschwitz wasn't built 'till mid '41 IIRC.
ardvarcus ago
Conditions in the camps didn't get bad until after 1943. The deteoration was caused by supply lines being cut, fewer available provisions most of which had to go to German soldiers, and an increased flood of prisoners.
fr33europe ago
You're preaching to the choir.
If it was up to me, I'd far more rather spend ww2 in a german summer camp than on the eastern front or getting roasted alive in German cities with my kids.
Jason_Argo ago
I wrote my comment before reading this one, and I used the exact same word: logistics. That is literally all it takes to debunk this absurd Talmudic fiction.
Flour ago
Speaking of logistics, it'd be ten times easier using only a bullet to the head. Why waste resources shipping them and holding them just for them to be murdered anyway?
SayTan ago
In heavily antisemetic areas, like ukraine and lithuania, that is what they did, with local help. In more civilized areas they did not want to spook people, plus people holding out hope that they were just being robbed and relocated were more compliant. Himmler himself said he chose Auschwitz as his place for executing his final solution.
Jason_Argo ago
because apparently they wanted to 'cover their tracks' by building a literal train track pointing directly to the crime scene. How fiendishly clever.
There were concentration camps in Germany where undesirables were separated from the population, but the same was true in the US and even Canada, a fact casually brushed aside by (((historians))).
10011909? ago
"I have always said that people don't realize how many a million is. It is simply not logistically feasible to kill - not to mention dispose of, which takes orders of magnitude longer - 6+ million people in the span of half a decade."
I'm sure I can do it just lemme try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPicNmkkH_g
Ajaxofbarbaria ago
That was beautiful.
SayTan ago
Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin, chief executioner for the NKVD—and quite possibly the most prolific executioner in history—is reported to have personally shot and killed 7,000 of the condemned, at Katyn from the Ostashkov camp at Kalinin prison, over a period of 28 days in April 1940 pretty much by himself with a pistol.
10011747? ago
This is one Jew every 5.76 minutes, on average, for the entire 28 days. And you're telling me his hand didn't get tired?
SayTan ago
He used a German .25, as the nagant revolver recoiled too much for continuous use and he was shooting them in the brain stem point blank, and it was Polish officers by Russians at Katyn. Learn your history.
Often when nazis did reprisal killings, where as often as not they often chose jews to herd up and shoot, they had whole companies of men with rifles, subguns, and pistols. Make them dig a pit, strip, shoot.
I worked at a vodka bottling plant and took bottles off a line and stuck them in boxes at a rate of probably 40-50 a minute all day long.
10011833? ago
My focus is on math, not esoteric historical anecdotes. I leave that to folks such as yourself.
SayTan ago
Analysis of 20,000 mass grave sites by the DC-Cam Mapping Program and Yale University indicate at least 1,386,734 victims of execution.[1][2] Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a 1975 population of roughly 8 million. And this was by un-industrialized people. In 4 years.
SayTan ago
It could be done. One of my cousins used to do 12 hour shifts running the captive bolt gun at a slaughterhouse. Every 30-60 seconds BANG, with a 15 minute break here and there, not every 5 minutes.
Killing things unable/unwilling to resist is not very hard and can easily be mechanized. Applies to people, too.
A_Fringe_Element ago
Not even histrionic Jews claim they were killed like that.
SayTan ago
Katyn was russians, dickhead. Just proves it possible. Try reading for comprehension.
10011876? ago
That makes sense. Naturally I didn't think he'd stand there and just shoot people 24/7 - the deaths would likely be clustered, he'd have to sleep and eat, etc.
It seems like there's a more effective way to do this, but I'm wary about giving it too much thought.
SayTan ago
Cambodians saved ammo and used spades, poison, and pointy bamboo sticks. ;-)
EarlPoncho ago
if you read man's search for meaning about a fourth of the book was about his time in auschwitz. some guy ended up looking into that and found out that either the real victor frankl was killed in auschwitz or he was only there for at most 3 days. it's like everything you read is such bullshit about ww2
SaveTheChildren ago
All wars are mostly hoaxery
SayTan ago
Hitler said, February 24, 1943: "This struggle will not end with the annihilation of Aryan mankind, but with the extermination of the Jewish people in Europe."
So you are calling Hitler a liar.
fr33europe ago
It's all in the translation and the words you choose.
Crensch ago
I've read the transcript: even with Schlomo's translation, it's in response to the bolshevik shit, and basically saying, "Jews are going to be seen by even our enemies for what they are and what they did, leading to the extermination of them in Europe"
Crensch ago
Your response doesn't make sense in any context here. @EarlPoncho didn't call Hitler a liar.
Guessing you're a Jew.
SayTan ago
Guessing you are retarded.
Crensch ago
Bought account? Doesn't surprise me that JIDF would do such a thing.
Hitler didn't purposely kill a bunch of Jews, but I sure wish he would have.
SayTan ago
Not bought account, fuckhead. I have been here long before you.
Crensch ago
No, you haven't.
SayTan ago
Have. You are fully retarded, I see. False accusations from a historical fraudster.
Crensch ago
I've been here 2.1 years, you've been here 1.7. Do you not know how numbers work, kike?
SayTan ago
You are the one with fake numbers, faggot. I didnt bother looking at your profile. Why would I? You're an abrasive liar and asshole that seems to have an overly active inagination about others as well.
By the way, you don't insult people with the false accusation that people are part of the 2% of the world that rule you. But it's still a false accusation.
Crensch ago
You don't tell people what to do, especially when you're a Jew that has an interest in suppressing the truth about the holohoax.
SayTan ago
That doesn't count reprisals and mobile death squads .
MoonMansWay ago
..which in no way would ever even reach just a hundred thousand people let alone bring the numbers up to 6 million total. Im not denying the SS units, especially since the Ukranians wanted revenge against the jews for holodomor, massacred some villages. But that would have been few and far between.
SayTan ago
But it wasn't and it hurt the German war effort.