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acheron2012 ago

I have always said that people don't realize how many a million is. It is simply not logistically feasible to kill - not to mention dispose of, which takes orders of magnitude longer - 6+ million people in the span of half a decade.

You can argue about how blue the sky is, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or how many ovens the Nazis had and when they had them. But the math just doesn't work out.

For example assume we go with "only" 6 million. Then we assume NO startup time, the camps and all their facilities, as well as the transported prisoners pop into existence all the way back in 1939. Even under that completely unrealistic scenario you are talking about 2700 people a day: 114 people an hour 24 hours a day, day in, day out, every single day for 2200 days straight - in time of war , not missing one single hour for broken equipment, delayed trains, or ANY other reasons.

Conceptually it is possible. But mathematically it is vanishingly unlikely.

Biscuitbaiter ago

I currently work at a cemetery with a retort. When we cremate a body, the unit heats to 1700°F and the average body takes 3.5 hrs at that constant temp to be processed. Larger people 400+lbs can take over 6.5hrs to process properly.

The retort is lined with concrete and has a brick type wall structure and holds heat extremely well. It holds heat so well that with one unit we can process two bodies in a day at most. Typically we pull out a processed person around 5hrs after they were put into the unit. The temperature inside the retort is still around 650°F+ degrees at that time and it feels like your skin is melting off when we are working around the unit with the door open pushing someone out.

Even if there was a way to toss tons of people into an oven at once, the sheer mass of bone structure etc, would take a very long time to reduce them to ash and bone. There are other guidelines we have to follow in this field of work that obviously could be left out to speed things up, especially when you don't have to worry about keeping people separate etc...

The more you think about it, the more questions come up... Like you said, people don't think about how big numbers actually are.

SayTan ago

Considering the % of jews that disappeared from Europe and Russia, 400,000 is horseshit. They killed almost 34,000 in 2 days at Babi Yar with firearms.

mostlyfriendly ago

They killed almost 34,000 in 2 days at Babi Yar with firearms.

Some would suggest that's part of the fabricated narrative.

I don't know enough to form an opinion. But, I have to a do a head scratch when they say that 34K were killed and vast majority of their bodies were burned up in ~40 days. The human body does NOT burn well ... it's mostly water. According to one source, it takes 500-600 kg of wood to burn one body. So, for 34K bodies, you need to chop down roughly 20,000 large (50ft tall) trees. That's clear cutting a good sized forest. Plus you need to mill the wood down to usable pieces. That's not a simple task to be undertaken by a group of soldiers or prisoners in a time of war when manpower and resources were exceedingly valuable.

Again, I don't have an opinion here ... (And, I'm not suggesting that bad things didn't happen. Clearly, people were killed. ) But, as someone who is familiar with manpower and logistics requirements ... this is all rather amazing. That such a herculean effort was undertaken to burn 34K bodies. That's unbelievably impressive to say the least.

JohnCStevenson ago

This post is a prime example of fake news. To see the atrocities committed by the Nazis, please take a visit to your local Holocaust memorial or museum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_memorials_and_museums

SelfReferenceParadox ago

No, it's true! To see the real atrocities committed by the nazis, please take a visit to your local Neo-Nazi group.

fr33europe ago

It's not half a decade, it's less. I don't have the time right now to look it up, but we normally look at it as spanning the war, it's not. Auschwitz wasn't built 'till mid '41 IIRC.

ardvarcus ago

Conditions in the camps didn't get bad until after 1943. The deteoration was caused by supply lines being cut, fewer available provisions most of which had to go to German soldiers, and an increased flood of prisoners.

fr33europe ago

You're preaching to the choir.

If it was up to me, I'd far more rather spend ww2 in a german summer camp than on the eastern front or getting roasted alive in German cities with my kids.

Jason_Argo ago

I wrote my comment before reading this one, and I used the exact same word: logistics. That is literally all it takes to debunk this absurd Talmudic fiction.

Flour ago

Speaking of logistics, it'd be ten times easier using only a bullet to the head. Why waste resources shipping them and holding them just for them to be murdered anyway?

SayTan ago

In heavily antisemetic areas, like ukraine and lithuania, that is what they did, with local help. In more civilized areas they did not want to spook people, plus people holding out hope that they were just being robbed and relocated were more compliant. Himmler himself said he chose Auschwitz as his place for executing his final solution.

Jason_Argo ago

because apparently they wanted to 'cover their tracks' by building a literal train track pointing directly to the crime scene. How fiendishly clever.

There were concentration camps in Germany where undesirables were separated from the population, but the same was true in the US and even Canada, a fact casually brushed aside by (((historians))).

10011909? ago

"I have always said that people don't realize how many a million is. It is simply not logistically feasible to kill - not to mention dispose of, which takes orders of magnitude longer - 6+ million people in the span of half a decade."

I'm sure I can do it just lemme try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPicNmkkH_g

Ajaxofbarbaria ago

That was beautiful.

SayTan ago

Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin, chief executioner for the NKVD—and quite possibly the most prolific executioner in history—is reported to have personally shot and killed 7,000 of the condemned, at Katyn from the Ostashkov camp at Kalinin prison, over a period of 28 days in April 1940 pretty much by himself with a pistol.

10011747? ago

This is one Jew every 5.76 minutes, on average, for the entire 28 days. And you're telling me his hand didn't get tired?

SayTan ago

He used a German .25, as the nagant revolver recoiled too much for continuous use and he was shooting them in the brain stem point blank, and it was Polish officers by Russians at Katyn. Learn your history.

Often when nazis did reprisal killings, where as often as not they often chose jews to herd up and shoot, they had whole companies of men with rifles, subguns, and pistols. Make them dig a pit, strip, shoot.

I worked at a vodka bottling plant and took bottles off a line and stuck them in boxes at a rate of probably 40-50 a minute all day long.

10011833? ago

Learn your history.

My focus is on math, not esoteric historical anecdotes. I leave that to folks such as yourself.

SayTan ago

Analysis of 20,000 mass grave sites by the DC-Cam Mapping Program and Yale University indicate at least 1,386,734 victims of execution.[1][2] Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a 1975 population of roughly 8 million. And this was by un-industrialized people. In 4 years.

SayTan ago

It could be done. One of my cousins used to do 12 hour shifts running the captive bolt gun at a slaughterhouse. Every 30-60 seconds BANG, with a 15 minute break here and there, not every 5 minutes.

Killing things unable/unwilling to resist is not very hard and can easily be mechanized. Applies to people, too.

A_Fringe_Element ago

Not even histrionic Jews claim they were killed like that.

SayTan ago

Katyn was russians, dickhead. Just proves it possible. Try reading for comprehension.

10011876? ago

That makes sense. Naturally I didn't think he'd stand there and just shoot people 24/7 - the deaths would likely be clustered, he'd have to sleep and eat, etc.

It seems like there's a more effective way to do this, but I'm wary about giving it too much thought.

SayTan ago

Cambodians saved ammo and used spades, poison, and pointy bamboo sticks. ;-)