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random_pattern ago

I tried discussing this with someone. The response was, "I can't talk about it. That number? 6 million people dying? That is just too upsetting." So I responded, "Well, where did you get that number? Did you ever consider it might have been propaganda, or perhaps an inaccurate estimate?" Their response: "A number that big—of dead people—it's so disturbing I can't even think about it. It doesn't matter if it gets revised down to a smaller factor."

But that, right there, is innumeracy. (Same thing as illiteracy, but with numbers.) To say that "there's not much difference between 6 million and 37,000"—I just can't believe that someone just told me this.

I had actually always been told the number was 6 million; and I'd always believed it. Until seeing this chart today, and then reading through the discussion of the logistics.

Now that I'm thinking it through, since I have some experience with project management over the last few decades, it does seem highly unlikely that 6 million could have been killed over such a short period of time. MAYBE if you were successively nuking various cities all over France and the UK. But that's not what the Germans supposedly did. They supposedly gassed people in showers, right? The more I think about it, the more I realize how incredibly labor intensive it would have to have been if the "millions of dead people" histories that have been on the books for decades were to actually be true.

Crensch ago

You, sir, have my respect.

It takes serious testicular fortitude to examine beliefs indoctrinated into you, and most don't have the cods to do it.

Cheers to you, faggot.

random_pattern ago

Thanks, mate. Particularly for being the catalyst. I read some of those other links you provided. Interesting stuff.

I like getting new perspectives. That's why I've read so much, done so many hallucinogens, done some lucid dreaming, gotten into nootropics...I guess I'm a sort of psychonaut. Oh, also the NDEs and such...you can train your "self" (your conscious mind, anyway) to "die" while falling asleep. That's a very illuminating exercise.

But the mind, my mind, the mind! So interesting when it changes. And I'm learning more and more that history is just a big farce.

The thing I'm still unclear about, though, is global warming. I've been doing a lot of research lately on scientific records of the ice ages and CO2 levels and the anthropocene (epoch) premise. Still don't have an opinion, but I need to get one soon, since I'm writing a novel which discusses a lot of this the stuff.

The comments in this thread where people discuss the logistics of the camps and deduce that it really couldn't have been done back then with the available technology are priceless. Excellent logic! Particularly about the inherent idiocy (and therefore invalidity) of siting the ovens right next to the gas rooms. Uncontrollable explosions, duh!

The last time I remember reading such a well-reasoned argument was the math and the premises that back up the idea of The Great Filter (which explains that the real reason we can't find aliens or any other kind of intelligent life like ourselves in the universe: for every single developing planet, the dominant species reaches a point where they let hubris get the best of them and end up committing global suicide on their very own species). We are rapidly approaching that point! Read up about The Great Filter, definitely instructional:

The Great Filter

The end indeed is near.

Once again, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Cheers.