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murraryrothbard ago

Propaganda can suspend the laws of physics. Corpses can't be used as fuel to burn corpses....each person is about 3 buckets of water...

SayTan ago

Water evaporates and there are plenty of runaway crematoria fires at funeral homes. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5959700

10014348? ago

All your posts in this thread are snatching at low-hanging fruit, half-debunking the irrelevant arguments people are making. You steer clear of the hardest and most damning evidence that denies the Holocaust -- hard records. Never was there an official order from Hitler to exterminate anyone, and the Allies seized millions of NatSoc documents after the War. Red Cross numbers, Soviet-released documents, the facts that only camps that existed in the Soviet-occupied territory of Germany are still considered to have been death camps.

There is no sufficient evidence that 6 million Jews died in WWII, that any number even near that figure of civilizations were killed by the Germans. And you're here talking about water evaporating in corpses, death squads, and the hilarity of the views of those with whom you disagree.

SayTan ago

I guess Eichmann was a liar?

10014862? ago

There are plenty of liars in the world. I don't trust testimonies made by anyone unless they are supported by some kind of evidence.

Innocent until proven guilty. The Germans received no such consideration.

SayTan ago

When your stated goal is annihalating the jews, you tend to lose "benefit of the doubt."

10015069? ago

Bullshit; not unless there is evidence the Jews were annihilated can a party be charged guilty. Hitler was not fond of Jews and spoke openly against them, but the actual actions he took were of supporting their economic emigration from Germany, not of exterminating them. Never did he order such a thing and nowhere is there evidence he carried out such a plan.

SayTan ago

Wansee conference notes. He didn't have any place to deport them that he did not want for German nationals. Madagascar was a pipe dream.

https://youtu.be/VwoS1WN8MKM

You are grasping at straws that aren't there.

10015327? ago

I don't speak German so all I can get from that video the brief translation of one comment in the video description:

No, I must say truthfully that if we had killed all the 10 million Jews that Himmler's statisticians originally listed in 1933, I would say: Good, we have destroyed an enemy.

This does not prove the Germans did exterminate the Jews; just that by the end of the war there was enough vehemence against the Jews that military officers would not be bothered if they had.

No I am not grasping at straws. Look into the Haavara Transfer Agreement. Hitler helped the Jews create Israel for goodness' sake; he did not kill them.

The fact that you believe something that is insupportable, and then have the audacity to say that I am clutching at straws...

SayTan ago

Read all of the sassen transcripts. They are available at the library.

The fact the zionists used the killing of jews for their purposes does not prove jews were not massacred.

Start with 10 million. Himmler numbers. Count the ones left worldwide after the war.

They didn't all go to Israel, by any stretch of the imagination.

The fascinating fact of all of this is Germany only had 50,000 jews in a country of 65 million people, retarded people, destroyed their war aims by focusing so much on destroying a productive and decorated in WWI portion of society, logistically the infighting helped put nails in the coffin of Barbarossa.

10015620? ago

does not prove jews were not massacred.

It is not my job to prove Jews were not massacred, it is the job of the ones claiming that Jews were massacred to prove that.

Look in David Cole and his documentary "Cole in Auschwitz". Research Fred Leuchter and the Leuchter Report. There were no gas chambers, there could not have been. There are no mass graves in WWII-German controlled areas anywhere near large enough to even claim the Germans mass-exterminated anyone.

There is plenty of proof that Stalin did. 100 million people in the 20th century died to the USSR. How many of them might have been Jews?

How, when the Allies seized millions of Germany documents, when the Soviets blocked the Red Cross from accessing the Russian-controlled camps immediately after WWII, but then we received the Soviet's files after the Cold War, and everything points to no gas chambers, no extermination order, the financing of emigration of minorities, no mass graves made by Germans...how after all of that can you still persist that Hitler and the NatSocs killed 6 million Jews in WWII?

SayTan ago

Eichmann claimed 5 mil and way more than 450,000 disappeared forever.

10015877? ago

I'm pulling from multiple sources and you keep falling back on one man's claims. 450,000 gone? It was a contintent-wide war, that isn't too surprising, especially if that number stretches out to include areas where the Soviets had dominion. There was a typhus epidemic in the middle of the entire war as well, which accounted for the majority of the deaths in the camps.

SayTan ago

Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians in a country with no modern vehicles, roads, or rail system in THREE years.

10016360? ago

By starving them, not by systematically exterminating them.

And why is it no one talks about the Holodomor and everyone talks about the Holocaust, when there is sufficient evidence for the Holodomor and not the Holocaust?

EDIT: My mistake, you were speaking of the Armenian genocide. The Holodomor was much worse. The Armenian genocide was systematic. But I do not see your point; I am arguing against the Holocaust based on a lack of evidence or technical feasibility, not logistics, which remain questionable given the different situation of Jews in Europe and the Armenians.

SayTan ago

Goebbel's diary:

February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

10016740? ago

Yes, Hitler hated the Jews; he wrote about this greatly in Mein Kampf. Their treatment of Germans and their behaviour towards him was consistently abhorrent, and Judea declaring war on Germany in 1933 did not help his position. He felt is an existential issue for Germans and Europeans at least -- looking at the world today it seems he was right in a number of ways. I've read other sections of Goebbel's diaries and most references are to the necessity of relocating Jews from Europe, though with reference to brutal methods if possible.

I don't dispute that Hitler was extreme and authoritarian -- I dispute the claim that 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler during WWII based on the total lack of evidence for such a claim. Perhaps he relocated as many Jews to the camps as he could (all the ones who could not relocate to Palestine) once the war started in the hope that typhus would killed many of them. If so that would be terrible, but would still only be hundreds of thousands of deaths, not 6 million which I dispute. What seems more likely though is that all minorities were sent to camps during war time (Canada, US did this too with Japanese, and though those camps were not faced with typhus the conditions were far from great, whereas Hitler may have put on plays for the members in Auschwitz (all I have are eye-witness testimonies for this claim so I will not cite it as fact)).

Judea declared was on Germany and as a result Germany wanted Judea out of Europe. War requires use of force. Ramble about the philosophic meaning all you like. You have still failed to provide evidence for the 6 million Jews dead claim.

SayTan ago

Holocaust-denier David Irving describes a 1944 Himmler speech (Skeptic magazine, Vol. 2, No. 4, p. 50): "If people ask me," said Himmler, "why did you have to kill the children too, then I can only say I am not such a coward that I leave for my children something I can do myself." ... I agree, Himmler said that. He actually said "We're wiping out the Jews. We're murdering them. We're killing them." ... He is talking about solving the Jewish problem, about having to kill off women and children too.

10017031? ago

Means and evidence still lacking to support claims of 6 million. No ones denies Jews were killed. Many deny rightly that 6 million were killed (by Germany)

SayTan ago

3.2 million polish jews and 1 million russian jews just vanished into thin air when Goebbels and Himmler said they were being exterminated?

10017251? ago

Note how Poland and Russia are both nations that the USSR had control over for large portions of WWII. The USSR invaded Poland from the east at the same time Germany invaded from the West.

SayTan ago

And the Germans invaded both with Einsatzgruppen.