Time for more digging, folks. QAnon started dropping names tonight related to Rachel Chandler, the Epstein sex slave-turned modeling photographer we exposed two years ago. He's urged anons to dig into before (the last time, right before Voat went down for three days last April).
He's made dozens of child trafficking related posts today. You can see them all, here. A couple of notables:
"Ray Chandler = Allison Mack x 100"
"THE STANDARD HOTEL.
RACHEL CHANDLER."
And he dropped a link to a new artist I hadn't heard of:
" http://www.michalchelbin.com/portfolio_in.asp?id=1477&type=100228&sub_title=Strangely_Familiar&langid=1
Connection to Ray Chandler? Are you awake?"
So I did a little digging into Michal Chelbin. She's an Israeli artist who features "art" portrait photography of kids with dead eyes, topless preteens with their fathers in disturbing positions, naked underwater, and groups of topless girls hugging. She says:
"My images are vehicles to address universal themes: family issues, ideas of normality, puberty with its all incumbent pains and distractions, the desire for fame. An example of this is the adolescent girls I photograph, many of them are on the verge of sexual consciousness. They are in this difficult age, torn between innocence and experience. While their bodies might be still that of a child, their gaze sometimes imply differently. I try to create an informal scene, in which they directly confront the viewer. I feel they and their stories represent with most clarity the theme that interests me the most and which is the twilight zone between reality and fantasy. My aim is to record a scene where there is a mixture of direct information and enigmas and in which there are visual contrasts between young and old, large and small, normal and abnormal. My playground lies between the private and the public, between fiction and documentary. For me, the image is just the tip of the iceberg; it’s the gate to a story waiting to be told and which I try to depict in an appealing yet troubling way."
QAnon then dropped the link to the FBI tip line, like he did last year.
I'm not getting the connection between Chelbin and Rachel Chandler, though, other than they are both creepy female photographers with pedo-appeal photography.
While I was Google image searching Chelbin, Google offered up another "art" photographer doing "similar" work, Sally Mann. NSFW -- fully naked preteens. The second photo in the "Family Color" series is a little girl on a couch, naked, with claw marks on her stomach, titled "Dog Scratches." https://archive.fo/z2K05
(NSFW) Mann is apparently a famous America photographer roundly criticized for her naked kid photography, including a kid in a ditch, as well as her book of corpse photography.
The exhibition was divided into five sections that "visually depict[ed] the eternal cycle of life, death, and regeneration."[5]
Mann was inspired to produce the photographs in the book by her reactions to several different events. The first of these was the death of her father; later events that inspired her interest in death were the shooting of a prison escapee on the grounds of her Lexington, Virginia, farm and the death of her pet greyhound, Eva.[2] Mann arranged for Eva's skin to be preserved by tanning and buried her body in a cage in order to prevent the remains from being carried off by wild animals. She later dug up the cage and photographed the dog's skeletal remains.[2][6] A series of photos documenting Eva's decomposition is included in the book.[1][7]
Despite the fact that some critics found the images off-putting, Mann expressed surprise that the book did not garner the controversy of her previous books which featured nude photos of her young children. While giving the book a favourable review, Blake Morrison expressed his surprise that no one had questioned her right to publish photographs of the dead when there had been extensive protests over her images of her children.[2]
Nothing to see, there!?
Anyone care to dig more? I'm short on time at the moment. Neither of these artists came up in a SearchVoat of our archives.
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think- ago
Chelbin's photos seem to depict many Eastern European children / teenagers. A possibility would be that she takes pics, and someone in the US decides which of the children depicted will be trafficked.
(mere speculation of course)
Chandler runs a modeling agency = many of her models look like trafficking victims. There are many established lines of trafficking from Eastern Europe to the US, partly via Mexico / South America (remember Epstein).
Vindicator ago
Makes me wonder how much Melania knows.
think- ago
You can be sure that she knows a couple of things. Makes me wonder how she felt when they socialized with Epstein.
It was not only obvious that he was into girls, 'many of them are on the younger side', it seems to have been obvious too that he got girls from Eastern countries, and kept them at his NY town house. I recall reading that someone thought it was totally weird that so many girls from Eastern Europe were at this parties (the kind of parties Prince Andrew attended).
Vindicator ago
Melania socialized with Epstein? Links?
think- ago
Err....@Vindicator? There are photos of Epstein with Trump and Melania. You have seen them. Melania's phone number is in his little black book (IIRC), together with lots of phone numbers of Trump and the Mar-a-Lago staff. Since he was a Mar-A-Lago member.
Do you want me to do a post with photos of the occasions when Trump and Melania were photographed with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?
Vindicator ago
Sure. I've never seen them. I'm assuming that was after it came out that he was trafficking kids?
think- ago
That was during the time when Trump said Epstein was a 'terrific guy' and acknowledged that many of Epstein's women 'are on the younger side'. :-)
Vindicator ago
So, long before the girl's mom went to the police and people found out he was a pedo.
think- ago
LOL.
IIRC, Epstein's mansion is quite close to Mar-a-Lago. The mansion where he got massages from girls every day several times a day, and raped some of them.
Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago.
He and Ghislaine Maxwell felt so safe there, they even groomed one of Trump's towel girls.
Trump said many of Epstein's women were 'on the younger side'.
I think he didn't mean Ghislaine Maxwell when he was saying that. /s
Imo, Trump knew perfectly well what Epstein did.
Trump might not be sophisticated, but he isn't an idiot. He would have been a bad club owner and businessman, if he hadn't known about Epstein's activities.
Do you think he never heard about the 'Lolita Express'?
kestrel9 ago
The father of the girl, a maintenance man at the hotel, felt so safe there that he got his sex trafficked, rape victim daughter a job as a towel girl, so that she could begin to heal, after her captor was indicted.
kestrel9 ago
That's why he kicked Epstein out of Mar a Lago. https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2016/04/jeffrey-epstein-sex-slave-lawyer-donald-trump-accusations/ and yes I'm familiar with the Jane Doe lawsuit scam against Trump that turned out to be funded by a huge Bush supporter.
Wouldn't it be easier to start a 'Trump is a Pedo' sub instead of stomping all over people trying to do research? /s
think- ago
Excuse me, it wasn't me who brought up Melania and what she possibly knew.
That was @Vindicator.
I never mentioned that lawsuit here. In fact, I told @Vindicator either in a public comment or in a PM (not sure) that I read the witness statement, and don't believe that the accusations are legit.
Next time you might just want to ask me what I think about specific allegations against Trump.
Nothing I posted on this thread wasn't connected to the OP. The only thing I am sorry about is that I self-censored myself for too long, and didn't dare to write anything that doesn't seem to be regarded as mainstream on this sub. That was clearly a mistake.
But we all learn from mistakes, so that will never happen again. :-)
kestrel9 ago
Why would you censor yourself, unleash it by all means. You think Trump is a complicit part of pedophile Epstein's grooming of young girls, you think Melania is implicit in it and you make snarky remarks about Ivanka having worked for Balazs (which btw, I did find the answer to your question, the truth is not so convicting and presumptive of some kind of guilt as your comment implied) and FWIW, Balazs said he didn't know Trump that well (2017 interview).
There's updates to one of the links you posted, but you're not interested in the real implications you make in light of what logic dictates, so why bother. Summary: In light of the updated info, you're squarely on the same side as Eric Holder, Adam Schiff and Obama. Go figure.
think- ago
No. I said Trump and Melania were socializing with Trump, that's all. I even explained that the reason why Epstein had Melania's phone number in his book was that he was a member of Mar-a-Lago.
Well, would you have a link where you point that out?
Yes, I know. Where did I talk about Trump and Balazs?
Well, if you want to hold against me that I didn't post these updates (I'm not aware of), it might be good to post them.
No, I can't 'figure', because you don't link to the updates.
And if you want to hold against me that I come to the same conclusions as other people about some topics or people or events: I don't care. I'm non-partisan. Sometimes I'm of the same opinon as the writer of a globalist news outlet (I still read The Guardian everyday, sometimes I'm of the same opinion as some ultra-conservatives.
Vindicator ago
How much time did Trump spend glad-handing guests at Mar-a-Lago?
When was the "Lolita Express" first talked about?
NOMOCHOMO ago
Who knows but we know he "glad-handed" Epstein @ Mar a Lago in 2000. That's the photo @think- is referencing
Donald Trump, Melania Knauss (now Melania Trump), Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida on February 12, 2000. (Davidoff Studios/Getty Images)
https://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/JeffreyEpsteinDonaldTrumpBillClintonSexOffenderBearStearnsChildMolestation.jpg?w=1024&h=954&crop=1
Trump's statement about Epstein's "girls on the younger side" was in 2002
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/
obviously Trump knew about Epstein's proclivities.
Who knows to what extent Trump or Melania knew about the entire pedo ring/brownstone, but I suspect they did.
Vindicator ago
Thanks for linking that. I hadn't seen that before. That looks like a bunch of people standing around for a large event, not the Trumps "socializing" with Epstein and Maxwell, which implies a deliberate seeking out of each other's company. What event was this?
So Epstein was almost 50 years old at the time. Which means Trump (or any other normal person) could see him with a 22 year old and make that cradle robber jab. The article that quotes him that you linked refers twice to Epstein being a "ladies man", yet it never mentions involvement with young models, teens, or kids. I think it's a pretty big leap to claim Trump "obviously" knew about Epstein's "proclivities."
NOMOCHOMO ago
Not sure it happened on Feb 12, 2000 (still looking though)
I disagree. Trump was 66/67 in 2002 when he made that comment. (Older than Epstein)
Also Trump met Melania when he was 52 and she was 25/26. So by that same standard Trump is into "young women"
IMO that isn't what he's referring to. He's saying both are into women, but Jeffrey likes them "on the younger side."
So either Trump knew, or he didn't and made a dig at Epstein for doing the same thing Trump is/was known for (dating young models)
Now even if Trump knew, I don't necessarily think he was involved.
Considering the NY mag interview was in 2002 and Epstein was soliciting at mar a lago a few years later, I could see Epstein interpreting Trump's quote as tacit approval, and beginning to recruit from mar a lago.
NOMOCHOMO ago
@think-
Only tagging you because I somewhat agree with you and want your input
(Not trying to create drama or beef, I think this is one of the most important pgate discussions that hasn't been resolved for many people)
think- ago
Epstein wasn't a guest, he was a member. And Trump has been known for hanging out there a lot.
Surely a long time before that lawsuit.
Vindicator ago
"Been known to" and "surely" do not constitute evidence.
think- ago
I don't give a shit what you think it looks like. You started talking about Melania, not me.
But thank you for pointing out that begging to differ with you is now regarded as 'spamming'.
And if you think that I will censor myself when writing comments, you're wrong.
Remember your recent PM when you even asked me that I might want to re-consider the way I write comments on my own threads.
Yes?!
Vindicator ago
I'm not the one claiming the smart, beautiful and gracious First Lady of the United States is party to a pedo ring involving Trump and Epstein with zero evidence, just a bunch of completely illogical generalizations and unsourced assertions. No honorable American male who loves his country and has any balls is going to take that kind of bullshit in silence. Fuck off.
think- ago
Where did I say Trump was part of Epstein's pedo ring? Do you have to make things up now in order to attack me?
The only thing I said is that imo Trump knew was Epstein was doing, not that he was a part of it. Or even that Melania was part of it. rolls eyes
LOL. I'm not the one going around and asking people to censor themselves. You can write what you want, whenever you want, whereever you want, and how much you want.
You are kindly welcome to do so on my threads, whenever you feel like it.
And no, I won't fuck off. I have the same right to be here as you have.
This is not your private website, remember?
Vindicator ago
Playing the victim, now, after you deliberately created drama twice in this submission, huh. Okay. Here is what you said:
That is a clear statement by you that the Trumps were socializing with Epstein with full knowledge he was raping underage girls.
You then went on to implicate Trump because Epstein was a member of his club and Maxwell recruited one of the girls there. You claimed there were multiple photos of them socializing together with Epstein, and they were on such intimate terms that Melania's phone number was in his address book. Furthermore, when asked clarifying questions about when these things occurred in relation to the girl coming forward, you dismissed the idea the Trumps did not know he was trafficking kids when they attended gatherings he also attended.
You don't now get to play stupid and claim I am "making things up". You painted a picture of Melania, a model from Eastern Europe well acquainted with the pitfalls of her industry, as going along with child rape.
Where is that happening, exactly?
You misunderstood. I meant fuck you -- for dishonestly defaming my FLOTUS.
If I wanted you gone, I sure as hell wouldn't tell you to shut up. I don't know what crawled up your butt and died, but you are doing a fine job of destroying your reputation and relationships here all on your own. I've had several DMs asking me if your account was hacked. But by all means, keep talking. FFS
think- ago
You realize it is a big difference between 'being part of a pedo ring', and knowing about pedo activities, but not doing anything against them? Yes?
I'm not playing the victim, you insinuated something I never said.
Yes, they were photographed when socializing together. Yes, Melania's number is in his little black book. It was one of the numbers (with her name attached) on the page were Trump's numbers are also listed.
Where is that happening, exactly?
http://archive.fo/BCIF4
You told me to fuck off. You didn't write 'fuck you', you wrote 'fuck off'.
No, it wasn't. If I seem like overreacting a bit, it is because I kept my mouth shut while I was a mod. Now I just can't take it anymore. You have a photo in your OP that shows George Nader, it was posted by Q, then you should allow a discussion why a major GOP donor and Trump ally like Erik Prince employs him, and why Q doesn't call him out for that.
But I forgot - you didn't mean to censor me!
Vindicator ago
Where were you ever "censored"? What a load of BS. If you think Prince is an important part of pizzagate, make a submission about it. Don't spam it someone else's unrelated thread like TTT.
More bullshit. Wow! That is a total and complete lie. You posted the comment about Prince at 9:08am twelve hours before I updated the OP at 9:06pm and added the picture.
The post was about Chelbin and Mann. So was the discussion. You forced your agenda into the discussion and created a bunch of unnecessary and toxic drama. You then stalked my comment history, and spammed another completely off topic comment in my thread at ProtectVoat and pinged 10 users to the comment instead of making a submission.
Now you're hurling the "mods are censoring me" shill meme for calling you out on it? And your excuse for all this rude, dishonest, defamatory behavior is "it is because I kept my mouth shut while I was a mod"?
So, you were lying that whole time, too?
What else were you playacting about? Was the "shock" about EsotericShade putting your name forward as a mod fake? Was the "reformed" Hillary fan claim fake? What the hell is going on, here?
think- ago
You know what? I will not reply to your insults. I always defended you when you were accused of being a shill, both in PMs and in public, and that's the result? Wow. Just wow. I feel totally disgusted.
But what to expect from someone who attacked me for calling out a satanist.
Vindicator ago
I see. I'm the asshole, here. Instead of defending all these claims you've made, you run away. What a surprise.
Also, this is more BS. You've spent the last several days painting me as a shill for Trump, claiming I "worship" him and "glorify him" and a bunch of other hogwash when you can't defend your position. You need to take a serious look in the mirror.
When did I attack you? I think you'd better go back and read my comment history.
gamepwn ago
@think- and @Vindicator you both want the same thing. The liberation of the children who have been enslaved and used for both MKUltra and Sexual slavery for blackmail and elite depraved sick nutjobs. You both have fought off shill after shill attacks, have moderated the effort when Reddit destroyed the Pizzagate subverse, and both did so much for this community. This fight is so unnecessary, for both of you. Vindicator you are in the wrong to tell think- to fuck off, but think is in the wrong to imply you a satanist all over argociv and Aquino dispute. Sigh I wish you both would simply just actually talk this out instead of just attacking each other. Been through too much for that ya know?
think- ago
Where did I say @Vindicator is a satanist? I said he attacked me for calling out a satanist, not that he is a satanist himself.
Apart from that, I appreciate your comment, @gamepwn. Thank you.
gamepwn ago
Ah sorry misread that then. I do mean it though, this fight is beneath you guys. I know what you mean about Trump and Vindicator I know think is not trying to disrespect FLOTUS, she is saying we should be weary of of Trump and both sides due to what we know about elites. Nothing is wrong with that. No problem think.
kestrel9 ago
Wasn't your real concern in writing about this is that you believe Trump is doing nothing? As in, "he knew then and did nothing, and he's not doing anything now" (In fact you seem to believe much worse than that)
IMO if he wasn't having an influence, then the Epstein case would not be revisited. IMO I believe it's disingenuous to say you weren't implying something more about Melania. But that's the advantage of playing word games, eh?
think- ago
Yes, that's what I think.
Where exactly did I write that?
Err....excuse me? If I had meant to imply 'something more' about Melania, I would have said so.
I think it's disingenious to allege that I meant something else.
Boy, you must really gotten triggered. What 'word games' did I play? I wrote that she and Donald socialized with Epstein. And since Vindicator said he didn't know about it, I mentioned that she was in Epstein's book, since he was a member at Mar-a-Lago.
Sorry, @kestrel9 - it's ok if you disagree with me, and if you reply to stuff I actually wrote. It's not ok to insinuate I meant things I didn't even write.
Like the rape accusations against Trump, or 'implying something more' regarding Melania.
kestrel9 ago
two things regarding the 'much worse than this'. It's one thing to say that he knew Epstein was attracted to women 'on the younger side' (legal age is 'on the younger side', early twenties 'is on the younger side'. We don't know if Trump saw Epstein with underage girls at that time. Epstein claimed to 'own the police department', is that something Trump was supposed to know too?
At any rate, It's something else to make a case that given the proximity of Epstein's estate, that Trump would know what was happening in the privacy of that estate. Or that Trump was eyes on Epstein 24/7 because he was member at the club. How often did he visit the club when he's so busy raping girls at the estate. No rapes happened at Mar a Lago right?
Talking about 'how close it was, multiple rapes day in and day out' and then say they felt so comfortable as to groom a towel girl from the resort. (a victim of previous sex trafficking, likely very vulnerable to someone like Ghislaine approaching her.) Is Trump hanging out in the locker room, watching what the members are doing? Why wouldn't the girls father know about sex rings at the hotel, he was the maintenance man who got his daughter the job there.
All I'm saying is that's your animosity towards Trump and Melania are evident in how you phrase things. So saying you never meant to imply this or that, comes off sounding disingenuous. Like high school level. That's why I called it word games.
think- ago
I didn't say so. Epstein had scores of girls coming to his Florida mansion. He even groomed one at the club. What I'm saying is that I don't believe that a shrewd man like Trump wouldn't know about a big operation like this. He was in the same social circles like Epstein.
I'm afraid it is high school level to insinuate I meant things I never wrote, and then attacking me for that.
kestrel9 ago
I didn't insinuate in my last post, I laid out what you sound like to people reading. Why would anyone believe you if you start sounding like you're just saying Dindu nuttin! People are well versed in what guile sounds like around here.
think- ago
You mean Trump supporters reading. And you sound like someone who lumps in any critic of Trump with all other people who have ever critized Trump.
kestrel9 ago
No, at the time were contributing to that thread there was at least one (maybe more) non Trump supporter who felt uncomfortable enough to comment about the direction you were going. "Seemingly" Off topic and awkwardly unconducive to the collaborative effort going on at the time.
I don't think so. Prove me wrong.
Shizy ago
Saying Epstein is a "terrific guy" was probably meant as sincerely as saying Bruce Ohr's "beautiful wife Nellie"!
kestrel9 ago
Exactly.