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think- ago

I'm not getting the connection between Chelbin and Rachel Chandler, though

Chelbin's photos seem to depict many Eastern European children / teenagers. A possibility would be that she takes pics, and someone in the US decides which of the children depicted will be trafficked.

(mere speculation of course)

Chandler runs a modeling agency = many of her models look like trafficking victims. There are many established lines of trafficking from Eastern Europe to the US, partly via Mexico / South America (remember Epstein).

Vindicator ago

There are many established lines of trafficking from Eastern Europe to the US

Makes me wonder how much Melania knows.

think- ago

You can be sure that she knows a couple of things. Makes me wonder how she felt when they socialized with Epstein.

It was not only obvious that he was into girls, 'many of them are on the younger side', it seems to have been obvious too that he got girls from Eastern countries, and kept them at his NY town house. I recall reading that someone thought it was totally weird that so many girls from Eastern Europe were at this parties (the kind of parties Prince Andrew attended).

Vindicator ago

when they socialized with Epstein

Melania socialized with Epstein? Links?

think- ago

Err....@Vindicator? There are photos of Epstein with Trump and Melania. You have seen them. Melania's phone number is in his little black book (IIRC), together with lots of phone numbers of Trump and the Mar-a-Lago staff. Since he was a Mar-A-Lago member.

Do you want me to do a post with photos of the occasions when Trump and Melania were photographed with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?

Vindicator ago

Sure. I've never seen them. I'm assuming that was after it came out that he was trafficking kids?

think- ago

That was during the time when Trump said Epstein was a 'terrific guy' and acknowledged that many of Epstein's women 'are on the younger side'. :-)

Vindicator ago

So, long before the girl's mom went to the police and people found out he was a pedo.

think- ago

and people found out he was a pedo

LOL.

IIRC, Epstein's mansion is quite close to Mar-a-Lago. The mansion where he got massages from girls every day several times a day, and raped some of them.

Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago.

He and Ghislaine Maxwell felt so safe there, they even groomed one of Trump's towel girls.

Trump said many of Epstein's women were 'on the younger side'.

I think he didn't mean Ghislaine Maxwell when he was saying that. /s

Imo, Trump knew perfectly well what Epstein did.

Trump might not be sophisticated, but he isn't an idiot. He would have been a bad club owner and businessman, if he hadn't known about Epstein's activities.

Do you think he never heard about the 'Lolita Express'?

Vindicator ago

How much time did Trump spend glad-handing guests at Mar-a-Lago?

When was the "Lolita Express" first talked about?

think- ago

How much time did Trump spend glad-handing guests at Mar-a-Lago?

Epstein wasn't a guest, he was a member. And Trump has been known for hanging out there a lot.

When was the "Lolita Express" first talked about?

Surely a long time before that lawsuit.

Vindicator ago

"Been known to" and "surely" do not constitute evidence.

think- ago

I don't give a shit what you think it looks like. You started talking about Melania, not me.

But thank you for pointing out that begging to differ with you is now regarded as 'spamming'.

And if you think that I will censor myself when writing comments, you're wrong.

Remember your recent PM when you even asked me that I might want to re-consider the way I write comments on my own threads.

Yes?!

Vindicator ago

I'm not the one claiming the smart, beautiful and gracious First Lady of the United States is party to a pedo ring involving Trump and Epstein with zero evidence, just a bunch of completely illogical generalizations and unsourced assertions. No honorable American male who loves his country and has any balls is going to take that kind of bullshit in silence. Fuck off.

think- ago

is party to a pedo ring involving Trump and Epstein

Where did I say Trump was part of Epstein's pedo ring? Do you have to make things up now in order to attack me?

The only thing I said is that imo Trump knew was Epstein was doing, not that he was a part of it. Or even that Melania was part of it. rolls eyes

No honorable American male who loves his country and has any balls is going to take that kind of bullshit in silence. Fuck off.

LOL. I'm not the one going around and asking people to censor themselves. You can write what you want, whenever you want, whereever you want, and how much you want.

You are kindly welcome to do so on my threads, whenever you feel like it.

And no, I won't fuck off. I have the same right to be here as you have.

This is not your private website, remember?

kestrel9 ago

You can be sure that she (Melania) knows a couple of things. Makes me wonder how she felt when they socialized with Epstein.

That was during the time when Trump said Epstein was a 'terrific guy' and acknowledged that many of Epstein's women 'are on the younger side'. :-)

[–] Vindicator [S] 1 points (+1|-0) 5.7 hours ago

So, long before the girl's mom went to the police and people found out he was a pedo.

[–] think- 0 points (+1|-1) 5.1 hours ago

LOL.

IIRC, Epstein's mansion is quite close to Mar-a-Lago. The mansion where he got massages from girls every day several times a day, and raped some of them. Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago.

He and Ghislaine Maxwell felt so safe there, they even groomed one of Trump's towel girls. Trump said many of Epstein's women were 'on the younger side'.

I think he didn't mean Ghislaine Maxwell when he was saying that. /s Imo, Trump knew perfectly well what Epstein did.

Trump might not be sophisticated, but he isn't an idiot. He would have been a bad club owner and businessman, if he hadn't known about Epstein's activities.

Do you think he never heard about the 'Lolita Express'?

Wasn't your real concern in writing about this is that you believe Trump is doing nothing? As in, "he knew then and did nothing, and he's not doing anything now" (In fact you seem to believe much worse than that)

IMO if he wasn't having an influence, then the Epstein case would not be revisited. IMO I believe it's disingenuous to say you weren't implying something more about Melania. But that's the advantage of playing word games, eh?

think- ago

Wasn't your real concern in writing about this is that you believe Trump is doing nothing? As in, "he knew then and did nothing, and he's not doing anything now"

Yes, that's what I think.

(In fact you seem to believe much worse than that)

Where exactly did I write that?

IMO I believe it's disingenuous to say you weren't implying something more about Melania.

Err....excuse me? If I had meant to imply 'something more' about Melania, I would have said so.

I think it's disingenious to allege that I meant something else.

But that's the advantage of playing word games, eh?

Boy, you must really gotten triggered. What 'word games' did I play? I wrote that she and Donald socialized with Epstein. And since Vindicator said he didn't know about it, I mentioned that she was in Epstein's book, since he was a member at Mar-a-Lago.

Sorry, @kestrel9 - it's ok if you disagree with me, and if you reply to stuff I actually wrote. It's not ok to insinuate I meant things I didn't even write.

Like the rape accusations against Trump, or 'implying something more' regarding Melania.

kestrel9 ago

two things regarding the 'much worse than this'. It's one thing to say that he knew Epstein was attracted to women 'on the younger side' (legal age is 'on the younger side', early twenties 'is on the younger side'. We don't know if Trump saw Epstein with underage girls at that time. Epstein claimed to 'own the police department', is that something Trump was supposed to know too?

At any rate, It's something else to make a case that given the proximity of Epstein's estate, that Trump would know what was happening in the privacy of that estate. Or that Trump was eyes on Epstein 24/7 because he was member at the club. How often did he visit the club when he's so busy raping girls at the estate. No rapes happened at Mar a Lago right?

Talking about 'how close it was, multiple rapes day in and day out' and then say they felt so comfortable as to groom a towel girl from the resort. (a victim of previous sex trafficking, likely very vulnerable to someone like Ghislaine approaching her.) Is Trump hanging out in the locker room, watching what the members are doing? Why wouldn't the girls father know about sex rings at the hotel, he was the maintenance man who got his daughter the job there.

All I'm saying is that's your animosity towards Trump and Melania are evident in how you phrase things. So saying you never meant to imply this or that, comes off sounding disingenuous. Like high school level. That's why I called it word games.

Shizy ago

Saying Epstein is a "terrific guy" was probably meant as sincerely as saying Bruce Ohr's "beautiful wife Nellie"!

kestrel9 ago

Exactly.