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think- ago

I'm not getting the connection between Chelbin and Rachel Chandler, though

Chelbin's photos seem to depict many Eastern European children / teenagers. A possibility would be that she takes pics, and someone in the US decides which of the children depicted will be trafficked.

(mere speculation of course)

Chandler runs a modeling agency = many of her models look like trafficking victims. There are many established lines of trafficking from Eastern Europe to the US, partly via Mexico / South America (remember Epstein).

Vindicator ago

There are many established lines of trafficking from Eastern Europe to the US

Makes me wonder how much Melania knows.

think- ago

You can be sure that she knows a couple of things. Makes me wonder how she felt when they socialized with Epstein.

It was not only obvious that he was into girls, 'many of them are on the younger side', it seems to have been obvious too that he got girls from Eastern countries, and kept them at his NY town house. I recall reading that someone thought it was totally weird that so many girls from Eastern Europe were at this parties (the kind of parties Prince Andrew attended).

Vindicator ago

when they socialized with Epstein

Melania socialized with Epstein? Links?

think- ago

Err....@Vindicator? There are photos of Epstein with Trump and Melania. You have seen them. Melania's phone number is in his little black book (IIRC), together with lots of phone numbers of Trump and the Mar-a-Lago staff. Since he was a Mar-A-Lago member.

Do you want me to do a post with photos of the occasions when Trump and Melania were photographed with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?

Vindicator ago

Sure. I've never seen them. I'm assuming that was after it came out that he was trafficking kids?

think- ago

That was during the time when Trump said Epstein was a 'terrific guy' and acknowledged that many of Epstein's women 'are on the younger side'. :-)

Vindicator ago

So, long before the girl's mom went to the police and people found out he was a pedo.

think- ago

and people found out he was a pedo

LOL.

IIRC, Epstein's mansion is quite close to Mar-a-Lago. The mansion where he got massages from girls every day several times a day, and raped some of them.

Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago.

He and Ghislaine Maxwell felt so safe there, they even groomed one of Trump's towel girls.

Trump said many of Epstein's women were 'on the younger side'.

I think he didn't mean Ghislaine Maxwell when he was saying that. /s

Imo, Trump knew perfectly well what Epstein did.

Trump might not be sophisticated, but he isn't an idiot. He would have been a bad club owner and businessman, if he hadn't known about Epstein's activities.

Do you think he never heard about the 'Lolita Express'?

Vindicator ago

How much time did Trump spend glad-handing guests at Mar-a-Lago?

When was the "Lolita Express" first talked about?

NOMOCHOMO ago

How much time did Trump spend glad-handing guests at Mar-a-Lago?

Who knows but we know he "glad-handed" Epstein @ Mar a Lago in 2000. That's the photo @think- is referencing

Donald Trump, Melania Knauss (now Melania Trump), Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida on February 12, 2000. (Davidoff Studios/Getty Images)

https://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/JeffreyEpsteinDonaldTrumpBillClintonSexOffenderBearStearnsChildMolestation.jpg?w=1024&h=954&crop=1

Trump's statement about Epstein's "girls on the younger side" was in 2002

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

obviously Trump knew about Epstein's proclivities.

Who knows to what extent Trump or Melania knew about the entire pedo ring/brownstone, but I suspect they did.

Vindicator ago

Who knows but we know he "glad-handed" Epstein @ Mar a Lago in 2000. That's the photo @think- is referencing

Thanks for linking that. I hadn't seen that before. That looks like a bunch of people standing around for a large event, not the Trumps "socializing" with Epstein and Maxwell, which implies a deliberate seeking out of each other's company. What event was this?

Trump's statement about Epstein's "girls on the younger side" was in 2002

So Epstein was almost 50 years old at the time. Which means Trump (or any other normal person) could see him with a 22 year old and make that cradle robber jab. The article that quotes him that you linked refers twice to Epstein being a "ladies man", yet it never mentions involvement with young models, teens, or kids. I think it's a pretty big leap to claim Trump "obviously" knew about Epstein's "proclivities."

NOMOCHOMO ago

What event was this?

Not sure it happened on Feb 12, 2000 (still looking though)

So Epstein was almost 50 years old at the time. Which means Trump (or any other normal person) could see him with a 22 year old and make that cradle robber jab.

I disagree. Trump was 66/67 in 2002 when he made that comment. (Older than Epstein)

Also Trump met Melania when he was 52 and she was 25/26. So by that same standard Trump is into "young women"

IMO that isn't what he's referring to. He's saying both are into women, but Jeffrey likes them "on the younger side."

So either Trump knew, or he didn't and made a dig at Epstein for doing the same thing Trump is/was known for (dating young models)

Now even if Trump knew, I don't necessarily think he was involved.

Considering the NY mag interview was in 2002 and Epstein was soliciting at mar a lago a few years later, I could see Epstein interpreting Trump's quote as tacit approval, and beginning to recruit from mar a lago.

NOMOCHOMO ago

@think-

Only tagging you because I somewhat agree with you and want your input

(Not trying to create drama or beef, I think this is one of the most important pgate discussions that hasn't been resolved for many people)