I will write this post fast & hard so the message sticks.
The McMartin abuse scandal was the flag of the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic in the 80s.
The case was delegitimized intentionally in order to install the idea that there was a paranoid witch hunt in the american society with no real evidence.
Abused children showed real signs of abused corroborated by experts. Also they spoke of tunnels below the school which were never corroborated by the police, though the media used the statement to further reinforce the theory of all being fabricated fantasies of the children. Fact is there are tunnels, the families of the abused children dig them up in the 1990s."The tunnels are extensive, include a large room just as the children said, and lead to further sites off the property. The tunnels were found in an archeological dig under the pre-school conducted by Dr. E. Gary Stickel, archaeologist and director of Environmental Research Archaeologists, a Scientific Consortium." Here is the link http://web.archive.org/web/20010412085022/http://members.cruzio.com/~ratf/McMartin.html
And now, the most important part of my findings. Paul and Shirley Eberle were the authors chosen by the Cabal to dismiss the McMartin abuses as fantasies and paranoia, bringing down the entire SRA panic to a mockery. He wrote "The Abuse of Innocence" which is basically a lie and established the idea that children were forced to declare fantasies. The Eberles also wrote the Politics of Child Abuse (Secaucus, N.) Lyle Stuard Inc., 1986) which centers on the McMartin case as the bellwether of the nationwide “child abuse witch hunt” (p. 285) “resulting in the devastation of innocent peoples lives and families (p, 283). Both books lionized defendants and defense interests while defaming everything and everyone associated with child protection. Such polemics also illustrate the gospel of the dual attack on child protection. Ritual abuse cases are first debunked as de factor frauds, then all sexual abuse complaints are tarred with the same brush..” We believe that every molestation case in which there has been a conviction should be reopened and reviewed.” (The Politics of Child Abuse, p. 284). The Eberles have been cited as experts in sexual abuse trials. They were featured speakers at a conference of the Victims of Child Abuse Laws, a group formed to protect accused parents.
** Now, who were the Eberle?** This is where it gets interesting.
The Eberle were publishers of and Underground magazine called FINGER (a word easily recognizable by the pedocommunity and widely used in the Elsagate videos). This magazine featured zoofilia, scat, S&m and yes, pedophilia.
So i found a cover of the mag. And check the title "Masters, Slaves, Babies, Dog, etc" Editorial by Paul & Shirley Eberle. (if somebody can archive this image please)
https://www.iberlibro.com/INTERNATIONAL-FINGER-No-43-Paul-Shirley/1057155501/bd#&gid=1&pid=1
I also found this issue complete. It features a lot of hardcore stuff. https://archive.org/details/Finger1980D.D.TeoliJr.A.C.1
Check this out https://ia902903.us.archive.org/3/items/Finger1980D.D.TeoliJr.A.C.1/Finger%201980%20D.D.%20Teoli%20Jr.%20A.C.%20(4).jpg
So basically what you have just read is evidence that the writers that wrote the book which summarised and delegimitized the McMartin case (which mas the most important case of the SRA panic in the 80s) and which were later cited for counsel on how to make the McMartin movie (Indictment) which was based, of course, on their book, yes, they were publishers of the most important pedo-magazine in USA.
“the Eberles were the most prolific publishers of child pornography in the United States” a statement made by Sgt. Toby Tyler, a San Bernadino deputy sheriff who is a nationally recognized expert on child pornography. The Tampa Tribune-Times, July 25, 1993, p.10.
Please help me spread this like wildfire and archive everything.
Primalredemption ago
So how do we spread this? Most peeps in social media don’t know about the McMartin case.
B_dog ago
This rabbit hole leads to the False Memory Syndrome Foundation which formed in 1992 to 'debunk' any child witnesses who dared to come forward. FMSF links to MKULTRA and associated trauma-based mind control programs implemented on an industrial scale after Dulles took over the Agency. Ultimately it's impossible to separate kid crimes from mind control and the cult link best discovered through the so-called Greenbaum speech. The mind control figures - with links high up into industry, politics, law, policing, government, education, and the mil-intel community - always come forward to protect against public knowledge of systemic crimes against children, as a deep dive on early FMSF leadership reveals.
The McMartin dig info I never saw until late 2016 (30 years late) is why I first joined here back in 2017, to show the organized cover up going back so long ago. But I've sort of been in shock for a couple years once I realized how big and connected to power this really is.
angelafogo ago
Exactly. Thank you for your input. To my eyes its quite similar to what happened to Pizzagate. Once a scandal and its blatant evidence comes under the public eye, they work with all their power to turn it upside down. Now if you speak up of what really happened in McMartin you will be a loonie, same thing with Pizzagate.
In McMartin i believe they intentionally hired a psychologist to use questionable practices that delegitimize the case and talk about the dangers of believing in childrens fantasies. In Pizzagate they hired an actor to make a false flag attempt to a Pizzeria in DC and then speak up about the dangers of fake news and conspiracies.
Mammy ago
Excellent work, @angelafogo. The McMartin preschool case was one of the first topics I dug into when pizzagate first broke. I went fairly deep and I do not recall even an inkling about the Eberles. You've found a HUGE connection.
YogSoggoth ago
EEEEEE. My Dad was right. Those freaks need to die. He was talking about everyone from up North generally speaking, and Tampa is technically up North. Granny said, "don't trust anyone North of Sarasota, and then she said well .... maybe Manatee County because of kinfolk and all.
3141592653 ago
GREAT post. I have discussed here how FBI's Ted Gunderson, and also Dr. Gary Stickel, both conducted investigations that proved the tunnels were real.
I didnt know anything about the Eberle family, although im familiar with that horrid movie "The Indictment."
Great work here. And i must never fail to mention, the horrid movie "The Indictment" stars James Woods.
angelafogo ago
LOOK WHAT THEY FOUND ON 4CHAN. THIS MAGAZINE WAS ALSO PUBLISHED BY THE EBERLE ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA. SOMEBODY PLEASE ARCHIVE THIS.
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1551895977287.jpg
Mammy ago
Interdasting. Look at the name and address "Daffodil" Distributors on good ole' Hollyweird Blvd. Hmmm, I wonder what significance hath daffodils? Also wonder as to date of publication. These people are sick.
Vindicator ago
Archived: https://files.catbox.moe/gghwpt.jpg
angelafogo ago
Thanks
assistance1010 ago
We need to look more into Suzanne Somers' background.
Lansing-Michigan ago
Tunnels found underneath McMartin preschool...not instigated by govt. officials. Ted Gunderson brought attn. to it.http://educate-yourself.org/tg/raybuckeyandmcmartintunnelspart2.shtml
angelafogo ago
Thanks a lot! Blessings
Angelis_Solaris ago
Does anyone know who published this website? http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1.htm#author
They claim to have debunked the tunnels and all that, they did a very thorough job. I think they are lying but I haven't looked through it yet and I don't know if this is a CIA post or something else. I highly doubt it is what it claims to be, an honest journalist
angelafogo ago
I gave it a look. Its like they recognised there are tunnels, but they state those tunnels present technicial difficulties to be used. My question is, if there were in fact tunnels, why didnt the police look for them? Nevertheless the consulted Geologist does not match the one who discovered it. Please take at this investigation and to the chapter referring to the tunnels.
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/
Angelis_Solaris ago
Also see this scientific report (Ted Gunderson was a big player in getting the school reinvestigated): http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/McMartin%20Scientific%20Report.pdf
Angelis_Solaris ago
Also here is all of Ted Gunderson's evidence: http://tedgunderson.info/index%20-%20copy%20-%20copy%20-%20copy.htm
He is the one who apparently kickstarted the tunnels investigation
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
members.cruzio - https://archive.fo/aXc58
iberlibro - https://archive.is/2KEF1
images - https://archive.fo/u9p2H
wordpress - https://archive.is/GNBMW
books - https://archive.is/7ran0
4ch - https://archive.is/jW6wk and https://archive.fo/MI6ly#selection-2228.0-2434.1
ipt - https://archive.is/ktevH and https://archive.is/lzscD
findlaw - https://archive.is/ZFyX4
psyrs - https://archive.is/bSL12
wiki - https://archive.is/jHDlQ
drsusanblock - https://archive.is/n5Y50 and https://archive.is/4ICKO
eddit - https://archive.is/QRixr
twit - https://archive.is/jCBYS and https://archive.is/8i7gS
angelafogo ago
Could you help make sense of this?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
What part are you having trouble with?
think- ago
@angelafogo: Angela, can I link this submission to v/ElitePedophilia? I try to archive the best v/pizzagate posts there.
Thanks! :-)
angelafogo ago
Yes, please help spread
think- ago
Great job, Angela! :-)
I wonder which kind of connection they might have to the Church of Satan - remember, it was Zelda Schreck, daughter of Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey, who was in charge of the 'satanic panic' PR campaign against survivors and their families, starting with the McMartin case.
@kestrel9 @SandHog @new4now @maurice
Mammy ago
@think- Please see my reply above. There are no coincidences -- Schreck is in the first result of the search results for Temple of Set
angelafogo ago
They found black robes and occult books in the accused houses.
3141592653 ago
I did not know that about Lavey's daughter. Damn.
I do know the Church of Satan publicly supports the evil False Memory Syndrome Foundation.
Heisenberg123 ago
Church of Satan defends Comet Ping Pong now as well.
3141592653 ago
Really?? Any links on that?
Heisenberg123 ago
https://www.churchofsatan.com/official-statement-regarding-comet-ping-pong/
I hope it's because of their ignorance and lack of investigation into hundreds of facts pointing to pedophilia and surrounding Comet.
3141592653 ago
Wow, thanks. And I think its more nefarious than thatof
SandHog ago
Let's not forget horse-faced Chelsea Clinton appears to be a fan.
letsdothis3 ago
http://archive.drsusanblock.com/max2.html
I'm getting a CIA vibe from all this. CIA? Well..
Here's her Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/DrSusanBlock/videos
Vindicator ago
Yeah, that "Dr." is piece of work. Another degenerate liberal trying to get people to pay her to give them permission to act like animals:
VoxDawg ago
This case made the "Adam Ruins Conspiracy Theories" episode of Adam Ruins Everything.
Vindicator ago
Are Paul and Shirley Eberle the porn pushing SRA debunking couple related to Todd Eberle, the photographer of Hillary Clinton?
I did a SearchVoat of "Eberle" and found this submission which mentions him:
argosciv ago
Quite possible - I'd hazard a guess that it's a fairly rare surname.
argosciv ago
A look at both sides to the claims against the Eberles.
Surprised nobody's come across it yet.
https://archive.is/ktevH
letsdothis3 ago
The author of that piece is John Earl of the Institute for Psychological Therapies. And here's an appeal court case for a child sex offender who wanted to use two therapists from the Institute of Therapies and whose testimonies were not allowed by the court. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/wi-court-of-appeals/1463377.html
I think we should look further into Mr. Earl and the Institute. @ angelafogo
argosciv ago
Just to illustrate the point that the above written piece contains otherwise useful info:
argosciv ago
By all means. He was even a contributor to one of their books.
letsdothis3 ago
They seem the have 3 addresses... and all in the middle of nowhere..
Court case has 2 addresses.. one could say a mistake but it's the number 23 and 32 which are reversed so..
and
Then in the article, address given is:
argosciv ago
Probably a typo. If you check google maps, they're within the vicinity of 13200, 12300 shows a property but I'm not sure what it is(appears residential).
Actually, they might even use both addresses, 13200 isn't far up the road at all.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised one way or the other.
argosciv ago
Probably a typo. If you check google maps, they're within the vicinity of 13200, 12300 shows a property but I'm not sure what it is.
letsdothis3 ago
Interesting. I missed that.
argosciv ago
Yeah I bet @angleafogo did too.
She's too busy claiming that I'm defending pedophiles, to actually read the content. There's more tidbits in there too.
Example (unrelated to McMartin):
letsdothis3 ago
Is that snark? Lol.
@angleafogo Here's the website of the institute http://www.ipt-forensics.com/staff/index.htm
Wakefield http://psyris.com/hollidawakefield
Uh huh...
Underwager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Underwager
argosciv ago
Absolutely. If she's going to ignore the useful info and accuse me of condoning pedophilia or defending pedophiles, I'm gonna be at least a little snarky.
The bottom of the Underwager wiki page is also worth reading.
Could be disingenuous from them, though.
angelafogo ago
And now a guy that is a confessed blood drinker has decided to defend pedophiles. Argosciv really. Have some pride and go away. You are not helping your masters.
angelafogo ago
Yeah. Fuck you Argosciv. We know who you are. Go back to your cage.
@think @Vindicator
Vindicator ago
Why the anger? That was a valuable contribution.
argosciv ago
Try reading it. It actually contains some useful info and sources both for and against them and provides some background information on investigations into them. Albeit written mostly in defense and from a contributor to one of their books.
I personally don't give a shit about the Eberles, first I heard of them was from your thread, but apparently people have been speaking about them for years.
angelafogo ago
Mods just banned me on 4chan. This article worries them. Please anybody can inform the 4chan guys of this voat post and that i have just been banned?
QisforQuakery ago
Your big info on the Eberles and Finger has been on their Wikipedia page for at least 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_and_Shirley_Eberle&type=revision&diff=788676916&oldid=329392068
And you don't need the Eberles to know there was something wrong with the McMartin prosecution, a prosecution that resulted in a spectacular failure.
This is a pretty big clue. And why didn't they get convictions?
The initial accusations were made a woman who was mentally ill. She claimed Ray Buckey could fly. She said her son had his tongue stapled and scissors were put into his eyes. Of course, there was no evidence of these injuries because they didn't happen. The cops and prosecutors knew she was mentally ill, but this was kept from the defense. A prosecutor quit over evidence being withheld from the defense.
Other accusations claimed Chuck Norris would stop by the preschool and abuse the kids. Children would be flushed down a toilet.
This is false. There were not tunnels. The children were not flushed down toilets to clean them up before they went home. There were not orgies in car washes. The children were not routinely flown to other cities. This all the results of pressuring kids into answering the same questions over and over over until they start making stuff up to satisfy you. We know a lot more about how to interview children than we did in the 1980s.
When they looked for tunnels, they found the concrete slab the pre-school was built was pretty much undisturbed...i.e. there was no tunnel access at all. The did find stuff under the house, but they didn't find anything that would keep a tunnel from collapsing, especially one that had people walking right above it. They found an old mailbox and bunch of cans and bottles from 30's through 50's. The preschool was built in 1966. Basically what they claimed were tunnels was the old trash pit for the house which was then filled in and the concrete foundation poured over.
https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96
mrohm ago
Read Ross Cheit's The Witch Hunt Narrative. He febunks all of your claims.
QisforQuakery ago
I'll take it that febunk means falsely debunks?
3141592653 ago
No. Those are the lies they tell.
angelafogo ago
Your tone stinks of shillery my friend. Nothing of what you have stated is true.
My investigation shows actual images of the magazines from the Eberles, the pedophile experts in child abuse. Your link just states the Eberle published porn magazines. That is clearly not enough.
Regarding tunnels, i will copy a fragment of Dr Stickel findings "The depth of the tunnel in the room-like area was a little more than 6’8″, which would have permitted most adult males to stand upright. In contrast, the depth of the tunnel in the passageway leading up to the room-like feature was more shallow, at an average of 5’11”, which would have required most adult males to bend over when walking through the passageway"
SO YES, THERE WERE TUNNELS, AND THEY TOOK YEARS AFTER THE TRIAL AND A HANDFUL OF CIVILIANS TO FIND THEM. NO AMOUNT OF SHILLING DEBUNKING WILL ERASED THAT.
SHED LIGHT ON THE VAMPIRES
QisforQuakery ago
My point was the Eberle's are not central to the idea that these charges were unfounded. It doesn't matter who they are or what they did. It was the longest trial in California history and resulted in zero charges and juries are eager to convict child molesters. It's obvious just from that fact that something was up with this case. And that something was the authorities handled wrong in about every way they could. It went from a mentally ill woman making charges about one boy to the police setting off a panic.
Stickel's "findings" are the very things are the very things addressed and refuted in the link I provided. https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96
In fact Stickel was brought into the case, precisely because NO TUNNELS WERE FOUND. So they switch theories, tunnels existed, but the defendants filled them in with small amounts of dirt over a long period. Quoting from the link I provided.
what they found in the soil under the concrete slab of the preschool was a lot of garbage, including the old mailbox from the previous owners, bottles and cans from the 30 to 50's, broken china, etc. All of this points to this being the previous owner old trash pit. Furthermore the link I provided points to the conclusions of the team that did the ground penetrating radar tests. This is part of Stickel's own report
Introduction
Methods
Results
Donald J. Kirker Project Manager
Let me repeat that
No evidence was found to support the existence of filled-in below ground tunnels
Aasb ago
I know too little about this case. Can anyone support what the poster wrote here? Even if it goes against the narrative, its important to know the truth rather than play confirmation bias. Other than that I still find it pretty weird that a couple who were publishing hardcore fetish porn with shit and stuff are entitled to be experts on child abuse cases. Also their books were published by Prometheus Books. Prometheus = Lucifer. This publisher is all about scepticism and atheism.
Here is an amazon review I copied:
Paul and Shirley Eberle: A Strange Pair of Experts by Maria Laurina
Paul and Shirley Eberle wrote The Politics of Child Abuse, a book that accuses mothers, mental health professionals, and prosecutors of feeding children stories about sexual abuse. Since the book was published by Lyle Stuart in l986, the Eberles have been cited as experts in sexual abuse trials. They were featured speakers at a conference of the Victims of Child Abuse Laws, a group formed to protect accused parents. What is startling about the Eberles' reputation as ground-breaking experts in the field is that their dubious credentials have not been widely challenged. Paul and Shirley Eberle edit a soft-core magazine in California called the L.A. Star that contains a mixture of nude photos, celebrity gossip, telephone sex ads, and promos for The Politics of Child Abuse. In the 1970's, however, the Eberles were also publishing hard-core pornography. Their publication, Finger, depicted scenes of bondage, S & M, and sexual activities involving urination and defecation. A young girl portrayed with a wide smile on her face sits on top of a man whose penis is inside of her; a woman has oral sex with a young boy in a drawing entitled "Memories of My Boyhood." The Eberles were featured nude on one cover holding two life-size blow up dolls names "Love Girl" and "Play Guy." No dates appear on the issues and the Eberles rarely attach their names, referring to themselves as "The L.A. Star Family." The Eberles were the distributors of Finger and several other underground magazines, says Donald Smith, a sergeant with the obscenity section of the Los Angeles Police Department's vice division who followed the couple for years. LAPD was never able to prosecute for child pornography: "There were a lot of photos of people who looked like they were under age but we could never prove it." The pictures of young children in Finger are illustrations, and child pornography laws were less rigid a decade ago than they are today. "Sexpot at Five," "My First Rape, She Was Only Thirteen," and "What Happens When Niggers Adopt White Children" are some of the articles that appeared in Finger. One letter states: "I think it's really great that your mags have the courage to print articles & pixs [sic] on child sex...Too bad I didn't hear from more women who are into child sex...Since I'm single I'm not getting it on with my children, but I know of a few families that are. If I were married & my wife & kids approved--I'd be having sex with my daughters." Another entry reads: "I'm a pedophile & I think its [sic] great a man is having sex with his daughter!...Since I didn't get Finger #3, I didn't get to see the stories & pics of family sex. Would like to see pics of nude girls making it with their daddy, but realize its too risky to print." Lyle Stuart plans to print the Eberles' forthcoming book on the McMartins preschool trial. Carole Stuart, the publisher, describes the Eberles as "experts in the field," and family friends "for years."
@angelafogo @sandhog @think-
QisforQuakery ago
This is not true. From Wikipedia
3141592653 ago
A similarly titled book called "The Politics of Ritual Abuse" is wonderful, and proved the Eberles are full of shit.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
https://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/Eberle.html - https://archive.fo/PITnN
SandHog ago
Well, that's pretty damning if true. What the hell is wrong with these people? While I am not familiar at all with these people or any of the court cases they were involved with it sounds like the magazine's main purpose was to recruit pedophiles with access to children people more than anything.
It's been a long time since I read over any of the material regarding McMartin. IIRC there was a lot of physical evidence found on the children but the case really hinged on the 'expert' testimony. If these were some of the 'experts'...yikes.
think- ago
You'd be surprised how many people who have served as 'experts' in sexual abuse trials (later) turned out to be pedos.
It might be important to keep a list of these cases/names. @angelafogo @letsdothis3 @Vindicator @darkknight111 @ASolo
The first who comes to mind is Ralph Unterweger, a former member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, who was an 'expert witness' at countless sexual abuse trials.
When it was confirmed he was a pedo they had to throw him out, but the damage was already done.
Another case I remember was in Norway, where a pedophile 'expert witness' made influenced the decisions made in family courts.
angelafogo ago
Sargent Kouba works as an abuse victim counsellor. But on the weekends he is Podestas lapdog when he goes child hunting on the weekend. I made a post about him.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Why did Kinsey just pop in my head?
ASolo ago
False Memory Syndrome "experts" and deponents also revolve back into my research into the mkultra mind control handlers who masquarade as professional "magicians" -starting with the "`Amazing Randy"
3141592653 ago
FMSF also has strong cia connections
angelafogo ago
Thats all taken from an article from Maria Laurina. The most important aspect of my investigation is the actual images of the magazines, not just accounts, they effectively show they were pedo related and published by the Eberle. i have read accounts of this magazines being exposed in conferences and the photos inside there were children smeared with feces. Being told about it was not enough. An image is worth 1000 words. My article got hot in 4chan, and they banned and deleted once, somebody reposted and it got hot again so they closed the thread. This is a very easy red pill, they know it, so thats why we should concentrate on spreading it. The evidence is undeniable (just like Pizzagate was) and i understand scepticism over something as blatant as this, but thats how they work, their hold of the media and the information they feeds us is very strong. Look at this recent finding. LA STAR was published by the Eberle as well.
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1551895977287.jpg
angelafogo ago
Too late. They deleted my post which was being stirred too much for their taste.
YogiPokes ago
My heart continues to break for these children....
angelafogo ago
Check this guys http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1551895101574.jpg
Please help stir up 4chan. http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/205333875/new-red-pill-the-eberle-mcmartin-case
NOMOCHOMO ago
Check out the Children's Book the Eberle's published in 1972:
The Adventures of Mrs. Pussycat
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Adventures_of_Mrs_Pussycat.html?id=LRIhPwAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description
angelafogo ago
Yeah. Thanks. I’been looking for that book for a while now. These people are just too much.
Vindicator ago
Great digging @angelafogo! I've given this the NSFW warning and the New Evidence flair. Did you notice the first link has "Babies" on the cover? I wonder if some brave soul can find out what is inside that nasty rag about babies?
Also, we should do more digging on who this couple are connected to.
And can we get a link for this:
Great job!
angelafogo ago
https://www.newspapers.com/search/#lnd=1&query=Toby+tyler+eberle+prolific&t=5900
Vindicator ago
Thanks :-)
angelafogo ago
I went to the Tampa Tribune archives and found that the quote is legit. Unfortunately i cannot view the article completely because you need to be registered as member. But it shows up in the search engine with a small screen showing the pertinent part of the quote within the article.
letsdothis3 ago
https://mcmmartinpreschooltrial.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/why-cults-terrorize-and-kill-children-denying-ritual-abuse-of-children/
@Vindicator
angelafogo ago
Thanks. There is much more. But its quite frankly overwhelming how they got away with it.
letsdothis3 ago
They get away with it in just the same way that happens in the UK. The network of protectors is huge and the public are not sufficiently engaged to open their eyes. People would prefer that child abuse did not exist.
Heisenberg123 ago
This is big. I believe the same thing is happening with Pizzagate now. Pedophiles defending pedophiles.
angelafogo ago
Now doubt about it. They are very good with words and labels. “Satanic Panic” = “Pizzagate Conspiracy & Fake News” If you even bring this subject up they will label you as a wackhead. But the evidence is there and very clear. We must shed light on them.
Joe10jo ago
Thank you!! Funny bc just last night I corrected someone on Twitter who referred to this case as Satanic Panic B/S. Believe me, I corrected him!
Vindicator ago
I think I saw that!
angelafogo ago
Thank you. Pleae help spread this info.
NowThatsInteresting ago
Now that’s researching. Well done.
angelafogo ago
Thank you
NowThatsInteresting ago
I’m baffled as to how this new info has only 17 upvotes till now. 🤔
angelafogo ago
Voat is ((them)) i dont know they do it. But this post with 64comments is being pushed down. My guess is they are somehow downvoating it without it showing up.
Vindicator ago
Wrong. Voat was founded by this guy. He and his partner PuttItOut were doxed and threatened. He was financially deplatformed by PayPal and then its credit card processors. His servers originally hosted in Germany were shut down. When all that failed to prevent them from providing a genuine free speech forum to people around the world, incredibly well-funded operators launched massive, dynamic DDoS attacks to try to force Voat off the Internet. That failed, too, and fighting it made the codebase stronger.
@Atko and @PuttitOut and many loyal goats have worked very, very hard to provide an authentic free marketplace for ideas.
Only one person downvoted this post. It's probably the 6 day old account who complained about the number of upvotes you received in order to plant this idea in your head.
NowThatsInteresting ago
I upvoted your submission even though you had a small go at me. “The 6 day old account”??? You can also use my username. And my intentions were not to put anything in her head, rather to question the few upvotes this sub had at that time (17).
Why upvoting your comment? Because everything you said about voat and its founders is absolute bang on the money and i have immense respect for what they do. Specially looking at all the similar platforms i.e Reddit, chans..etc.
My account maybe 6 days old but I’m here reading everything since the very beginning. I don’t know you, yet I have lots of respect since I’m reading your comments since a long time. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt since you don’t know me. Only time will tell if I’m on your side or not. I say I’m here because I believe pizzagate to be true. Well, once you filter out the disinfo.
I’ve researched the deep web 5 years prior to pizzagate, the language and symbologies used were familiar to me. I didn’t need to be convinced.
The deep web consists 70% cp, 25% drugs/weapons/other criminal acts (I.e bounty hunters, head hunters, hackers...), and there is also 5% of useful sites with lots of info that’s forbidden to talk about on the clearnet.
So the root of our problems is the deep web (in relation to distribution). Accessed with Tor, which was originally created by the US Navy. Then bitcoin is introduced and made the life for criminals so much easier. So they needed a platform and tor was born. They needed to win over the trust of criminals to lure them in, which they did. The last step was to make transactions easier, e voila bitcoin/cryptocurrency was born. How convenient.
So you see I’m not a noob. I’m here to help.
Vindicator ago
Thanks for the reply, NowThatsInteresting. If you've been lurking here as long as you say, you will recognize how frequently we have sketchy new accounts in here pushing the idea that Voat is a limited hangout controlled by our enemies, and won't take it personally when comments that echo that sentiment get a bit of pushback. I stand corrected about the downvote, and look forward to constructive contributions from you. :-)
NowThatsInteresting ago
Much appreciated. I do know about the sketchy accounts that pop up each time there’s good info. They try to bury it.
I’m also working on my first submission and am looking forward sharing it with you all soon. I’m not going to giveaway anything, only that we all missed a lot of info in the first 6 months of pizzagate.
Thanks again for your reply.
Vindicator ago
Looking forward to your submission, NTI. Let me know if you have any questions about any of the submission rules.
think- ago
Angela, the up-or downvoating of posts here isn't manipulated.
Posts go slowly down the thread when there are a couple of new posts submitted after them.
My guess is that this post might not have gotten the traction it deserves, because many people don't know what the 'McMartin' case is, so they probably don't even click the post in order to read it.
You're doing excellent work, and we all appreciate it. Please keep it up! :-)
angelafogo ago
Sorry but a site that has a goat as a pet logo does not have my blind trust. It is of course the best we have at the moment. But allow me to be wary without being paranoid.
I made this research because i think it can help red pilled a lot of people, because it is clear evidence of a fairly famous case. You can open somebody eyes in 10min just by looking at this. So i just wish this had more exposure. If the mods can give me a hand with that i would appreciate it. As many users have mention in 4chan if this reaches mainstream somehow it could hit them hard.
NowThatsInteresting ago
From a technical point of view this can be manipulated without the knowledge of voat. Could we sticky this submission for a short while @vindicator ? Wanna see if it gets more votes and more traction. I still can’t fathom this new info. It’s so blatant, so out there. This could help us redpilling many deniers.
Vindicator ago
How would that work, exactly?
NowThatsInteresting ago
Most of the hacking in this world goes unnoticed. Usually it only gets exposed because of two reasons: 1. Not skilled enough. Or 2. The hacker wants you to know you’ve been hacked.
The rest of the time, hackers (white/grey/black) go in and out without anyone ever knowing.
What I was implying is that if we are researching the dirty section of the elite, and assuming they have access to some brilliant minds (technologically) then getting into reddit, voat or Chans is not impossible.
We know the NSA + various other intelligence agencies around the world have that ability. It’s not far fetched to assume that NSA (example) has some pedophile employees that would do various favors for their lords.
Vindicator ago
So...what's your point? Are you saying NSA hackers are here manipulating votes on this post, but making their votes not show up in the vote count? If so, where's the evidence of that? Why this post and no others? @Peaceseeker, is something like that even possible?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Seriously? Do you really think that someone behind the scenes is 'secretly' down-voting your submission?
I think it is more likely that people are lazy in their up-voting or they are just not bothering to read PG submissions anymore. Also something to consider is that you are not a prolific or 'popular' submitter and therefore do not have a following of dedicated readers who seek to read your work. I try to read everybody's PG submissions, but when I want to relax I seek out the writers on VOAT that I enjoy reading, there is nothing 'enjoyable' about reading the work that goes into this sub.
Idk, just my opinion. Please don't get discouraged.
dandelion2319 ago
I personally look for Angelo's submissions.
MyTinyOpinion ago
Holy shit, great work!
angelafogo ago
Thanks. Help spread!
carmencita ago
Thanks for digging this up. This is EPIC!
angelafogo ago
Thanks carmencita. Please help spread
carmencita ago
You know you can count on me :)
assistance1010 ago
http://archive.ph/2KEF1 https://files.catbox.moe/gzc82m.jpg
angelafogo ago
Thanks
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