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angelafogo ago

Mods just banned me on 4chan. This article worries them. Please anybody can inform the 4chan guys of this voat post and that i have just been banned?

QisforQuakery ago

Your big info on the Eberles and Finger has been on their Wikipedia page for at least 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_and_Shirley_Eberle&type=revision&diff=788676916&oldid=329392068

And you don't need the Eberles to know there was something wrong with the McMartin prosecution, a prosecution that resulted in a spectacular failure.

After six years of criminal trials, no convictions were obtained, and all charges were dropped in 1990

This is a pretty big clue. And why didn't they get convictions?

The initial accusations were made a woman who was mentally ill. She claimed Ray Buckey could fly. She said her son had his tongue stapled and scissors were put into his eyes. Of course, there was no evidence of these injuries because they didn't happen. The cops and prosecutors knew she was mentally ill, but this was kept from the defense. A prosecutor quit over evidence being withheld from the defense.

Other accusations claimed Chuck Norris would stop by the preschool and abuse the kids. Children would be flushed down a toilet.

Fact is there are tunnels, the families of the abused children dig them up in the 1990s."

This is false. There were not tunnels. The children were not flushed down toilets to clean them up before they went home. There were not orgies in car washes. The children were not routinely flown to other cities. This all the results of pressuring kids into answering the same questions over and over over until they start making stuff up to satisfy you. We know a lot more about how to interview children than we did in the 1980s.

When they looked for tunnels, they found the concrete slab the pre-school was built was pretty much undisturbed...i.e. there was no tunnel access at all. The did find stuff under the house, but they didn't find anything that would keep a tunnel from collapsing, especially one that had people walking right above it. They found an old mailbox and bunch of cans and bottles from 30's through 50's. The preschool was built in 1966. Basically what they claimed were tunnels was the old trash pit for the house which was then filled in and the concrete foundation poured over.

https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96

angelafogo ago

Your tone stinks of shillery my friend. Nothing of what you have stated is true.

My investigation shows actual images of the magazines from the Eberles, the pedophile experts in child abuse. Your link just states the Eberle published porn magazines. That is clearly not enough.

Regarding tunnels, i will copy a fragment of Dr Stickel findings "The depth of the tunnel in the room-like area was a little more than 6’8″, which would have permitted most adult males to stand upright. In contrast, the depth of the tunnel in the passageway leading up to the room-like feature was more shallow, at an average of 5’11”, which would have required most adult males to bend over when walking through the passageway"

SO YES, THERE WERE TUNNELS, AND THEY TOOK YEARS AFTER THE TRIAL AND A HANDFUL OF CIVILIANS TO FIND THEM. NO AMOUNT OF SHILLING DEBUNKING WILL ERASED THAT.

SHED LIGHT ON THE VAMPIRES

QisforQuakery ago

My investigation shows actual images of the magazines from the Eberles, the pedophile experts in child abuse. Your link just states the Eberle published porn magazines. That is clearly not enough.

My point was the Eberle's are not central to the idea that these charges were unfounded. It doesn't matter who they are or what they did. It was the longest trial in California history and resulted in zero charges and juries are eager to convict child molesters. It's obvious just from that fact that something was up with this case. And that something was the authorities handled wrong in about every way they could. It went from a mentally ill woman making charges about one boy to the police setting off a panic.

Regarding tunnels, i will copy a fragment of Dr Stickel findings

Stickel's "findings" are the very things are the very things addressed and refuted in the link I provided. https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96

In fact Stickel was brought into the case, precisely because NO TUNNELS WERE FOUND. So they switch theories, tunnels existed, but the defendants filled them in with small amounts of dirt over a long period. Quoting from the link I provided.

While it was true that there were no tunnels evident upon investigation of the property, some of the parents believed that the children’s reports of tunnels should be investigated further. This was because, as Stickel rightly pointed out, the site may not have been properly secured by the police. The defendants had maintained access to the preschool for more than a year after the initial allegations had come to light. Some parents believed that the defendants could have filled the tunnel spaces by gradually bringing in dirt in small amounts so as not to have been noticed. It was thought that an archeologist, trained in soil compaction and artifact analysis, could best determine whether there had ever been tunnels under the preschool.

Thus, I obtained a copy of the report and reviewed it. Finishing my review, a more plausible conclusion than that of the archeologist emerged—that evidence of filled-in tunnels had not been found. Rather, Stickel had found a family trash pit of the type that was, and is, often dug on the property of rural homeowners. Often such a pit is dug by hand. Old bottles, tin cans, table scraps, metal objects and other trash are disposed of in the pit. Combustible refuse is sometimes burned in the pit. When the pit is nearly full, a new pit is dug in the space beside the first pit, with its dirt used to cover the first pit. hen covered with dirt as a third is dug, and so on until, over many years, a string of pits has been dug, each filled with trash, and covered with a thin layer of soil. This string of covered pits might later give the appearance of having once been a tunnel. This, most likely, was the archeologist’s discovery

what they found in the soil under the concrete slab of the preschool was a lot of garbage, including the old mailbox from the previous owners, bottles and cans from the 30 to 50's, broken china, etc. All of this points to this being the previous owner old trash pit. Furthermore the link I provided points to the conclusions of the team that did the ground penetrating radar tests. This is part of Stickel's own report

Introduction

On May 8 and II, 1990 Spectrum Environmental Services, Inc. conducted a ground penetrating radar (GPR) investigation on the McMartin Preschool Facility located at 931 Manhattan Beach Boulevard in Manhattan Beach, California. The purpose of the investigation was to identify areas of disturbed soils which could indicate below ground tunnels.

Methods

Our approach was to conduct a GPR investigation to determine areas that may represent disturbed soils inside and adjacent to' the pre-school building (see Figure One). Both north/south and east/west traverses spaced approximately five feel apart were established by Spectrum with GPR data collected continuously along each traverse.

The equipment used in this investigation included a GPR with a 300 and 500 MHz antenna.

Results

In Areas One, Two, Three, and Four, (see Figures Two, Three, Four, and Five) the GPR depth of penetration was approximately 8 to 10 feet below ground level. No evidence was found to support the existence of filled-in below ground tunnels.

Donald J. Kirker Project Manager

Let me repeat that

No evidence was found to support the existence of filled-in below ground tunnels