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angelafogo ago

Mods just banned me on 4chan. This article worries them. Please anybody can inform the 4chan guys of this voat post and that i have just been banned?

QisforQuakery ago

Your big info on the Eberles and Finger has been on their Wikipedia page for at least 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_and_Shirley_Eberle&type=revision&diff=788676916&oldid=329392068

And you don't need the Eberles to know there was something wrong with the McMartin prosecution, a prosecution that resulted in a spectacular failure.

After six years of criminal trials, no convictions were obtained, and all charges were dropped in 1990

This is a pretty big clue. And why didn't they get convictions?

The initial accusations were made a woman who was mentally ill. She claimed Ray Buckey could fly. She said her son had his tongue stapled and scissors were put into his eyes. Of course, there was no evidence of these injuries because they didn't happen. The cops and prosecutors knew she was mentally ill, but this was kept from the defense. A prosecutor quit over evidence being withheld from the defense.

Other accusations claimed Chuck Norris would stop by the preschool and abuse the kids. Children would be flushed down a toilet.

Fact is there are tunnels, the families of the abused children dig them up in the 1990s."

This is false. There were not tunnels. The children were not flushed down toilets to clean them up before they went home. There were not orgies in car washes. The children were not routinely flown to other cities. This all the results of pressuring kids into answering the same questions over and over over until they start making stuff up to satisfy you. We know a lot more about how to interview children than we did in the 1980s.

When they looked for tunnels, they found the concrete slab the pre-school was built was pretty much undisturbed...i.e. there was no tunnel access at all. The did find stuff under the house, but they didn't find anything that would keep a tunnel from collapsing, especially one that had people walking right above it. They found an old mailbox and bunch of cans and bottles from 30's through 50's. The preschool was built in 1966. Basically what they claimed were tunnels was the old trash pit for the house which was then filled in and the concrete foundation poured over.

https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96

Aasb ago

I know too little about this case. Can anyone support what the poster wrote here? Even if it goes against the narrative, its important to know the truth rather than play confirmation bias. Other than that I still find it pretty weird that a couple who were publishing hardcore fetish porn with shit and stuff are entitled to be experts on child abuse cases. Also their books were published by Prometheus Books. Prometheus = Lucifer. This publisher is all about scepticism and atheism.

Here is an amazon review I copied:

Paul and Shirley Eberle: A Strange Pair of Experts by Maria Laurina

Paul and Shirley Eberle wrote The Politics of Child Abuse, a book that accuses mothers, mental health professionals, and prosecutors of feeding children stories about sexual abuse. Since the book was published by Lyle Stuart in l986, the Eberles have been cited as experts in sexual abuse trials. They were featured speakers at a conference of the Victims of Child Abuse Laws, a group formed to protect accused parents. What is startling about the Eberles' reputation as ground-breaking experts in the field is that their dubious credentials have not been widely challenged. Paul and Shirley Eberle edit a soft-core magazine in California called the L.A. Star that contains a mixture of nude photos, celebrity gossip, telephone sex ads, and promos for The Politics of Child Abuse. In the 1970's, however, the Eberles were also publishing hard-core pornography. Their publication, Finger, depicted scenes of bondage, S & M, and sexual activities involving urination and defecation. A young girl portrayed with a wide smile on her face sits on top of a man whose penis is inside of her; a woman has oral sex with a young boy in a drawing entitled "Memories of My Boyhood." The Eberles were featured nude on one cover holding two life-size blow up dolls names "Love Girl" and "Play Guy." No dates appear on the issues and the Eberles rarely attach their names, referring to themselves as "The L.A. Star Family." The Eberles were the distributors of Finger and several other underground magazines, says Donald Smith, a sergeant with the obscenity section of the Los Angeles Police Department's vice division who followed the couple for years. LAPD was never able to prosecute for child pornography: "There were a lot of photos of people who looked like they were under age but we could never prove it." The pictures of young children in Finger are illustrations, and child pornography laws were less rigid a decade ago than they are today. "Sexpot at Five," "My First Rape, She Was Only Thirteen," and "What Happens When Niggers Adopt White Children" are some of the articles that appeared in Finger. One letter states: "I think it's really great that your mags have the courage to print articles & pixs [sic] on child sex...Too bad I didn't hear from more women who are into child sex...Since I'm single I'm not getting it on with my children, but I know of a few families that are. If I were married & my wife & kids approved--I'd be having sex with my daughters." Another entry reads: "I'm a pedophile & I think its [sic] great a man is having sex with his daughter!...Since I didn't get Finger #3, I didn't get to see the stories & pics of family sex. Would like to see pics of nude girls making it with their daddy, but realize its too risky to print." Lyle Stuart plans to print the Eberles' forthcoming book on the McMartins preschool trial. Carole Stuart, the publisher, describes the Eberles as "experts in the field," and family friends "for years."

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think- ago

Other than that I still find it pretty weird that a couple who were publishing hardcore fetish porn with shit and stuff are entitled to be experts on child abuse cases.

You'd be surprised how many people who have served as 'experts' in sexual abuse trials (later) turned out to be pedos.

It might be important to keep a list of these cases/names. @angelafogo @letsdothis3 @Vindicator @darkknight111 @ASolo

The first who comes to mind is Ralph Unterweger, a former member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, who was an 'expert witness' at countless sexual abuse trials.

When it was confirmed he was a pedo they had to throw him out, but the damage was already done.

Another case I remember was in Norway, where a pedophile 'expert witness' made influenced the decisions made in family courts.