I don't believe any of that to be true. However, even if they were one in the same, why are you going out of your way to make a big post out of it? That seems like a waste of time and energy. Do you have an actual argument to any of the facts presented by him/her, or do you just want to shit talk?
@ESOTERICshade is simply tired of disinformation being spread, plain and simple. As am I.
while i disagree with you about the relevance of Q, given my understanding of the rules, any posts that exclusively talk about hunting and doxxing 'shills' do not belong in this sub.
From an objective standpoint, this breaks rules 1, 2, and 4. It's not directly related to pizzagate, and it makes no factual claims. It's an opinion piece against another user. This shit belongs in pizzagatewhatever or somewhere else. Yet both @kevdude was pinged and @vindicator showed up, but neither of them have even bothered flagging it. It seems as though the rules are only being enforced when it suits them. This sub is definitely in trouble if our moderators can't moderate objectively.
Sorry twistedmac11, I did not read this whole thread -- I responded to ben_matlock's ping in my inbox from my phone. I was answering in a general sense. Yesterday, I had 56 inbox messages, mostly from hojuruku, who posted a bounty on 8chan to try to prove I wasn't modding fairly six months ago. We have four moderators who are mostly new, who are scattered in different timezones spanning the globe, and whose multiple daily questions I have to answer before I can even begin looking at threads. My priority yesterday was getting the No Links sticky up, editing the sidebar, editing the submission form, and added the new rule to the rule code in the Removal tool.
My comments here prior to this one were general in nature. I stand by what I said: research into users disrupting the sub with sockpuppet accounts is directly relevant to PG. "Pizzagate" as linked in our sidebar includes:
...Any content that can be linked (by the OP in a sourced explanation) to organized human trafficking of children...and/or the systematic cover up of these activities and/or the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities.
Two mods asked me general questions relating to this thread, and I responded to those with my take in principle. I did not dig into this post to vet it in detail. When ben told me there was not enough evidence supporting the OP's claims, I told him to flair it for Rule 2. Apparently, he did not do so, and Kev ended up doing it.
I don't "have it out for" anyone in this subverse. I am wary of disinfo and those who spread it, and the willingness to follow the ruleset is one of the key things that distinguish legit submitters here. I try to help people do that every day. Some refuse and turn it into an attack. I really don't know what else to do differently. If you have ideas, I am all ears.
Our definition of pizzagate includes those who try to cover up elite child abuse by disrupting the investigation with disinfo and COINTELPRO tactics. Doxxing in Voatspeak only refers to outing real life identities, not whether someone is or isn't using sockpuppets.
LMAO the lead mod labels it disinfo to merely identify proud Jews as such. What disinfo have I spread? The biggest Q drop six months prior? Only KIKES can lie so brazenly.
Meanwhile Jewish groups are acknowledged to be the biggest employers of paid shill groups operating both in our countries and Israel. LMAO
LOL WOW someone's all up in their feelings. I tagged them bc this post should not be allowed to stay up, considering how many rules it breaks. Gtfoh, I'm not going back and forth with your bitch ass anymore.
I noticed that. I'm not sure whether to extend some kind of sympathy to you (as would be my normal response, considering you obviously are having some negative emotions) or to tell you good riddance. Cockbreath is new, I'll have to remember that one.
Donkeyhote has been exposed by multiple people. He's being exposed again in this thread. I've dealt with him enough to know he loves to capitalize the last words in sentences.. and you're already defending their similar writing style.
I would take that a step further and say it's even possible that you are an alt. Why would anyone want to do away with someone (Q) who is supplying fresh evidence *and areas to research. Your whole argument is Q is telling everyone to sit back and wait. That is bullshit, plain and simple. Screams shill to me.
So.. A pic, potentially from Epstein island, taken off of the instagram page of one of his "sex kittens" isn't evidence/lead? Maggie Nixon isn't evidence/lead? Q constantly telling everyone to look into this person or that place and that everything is tied together is Q saying don't do anything?
Do you not know what a psyop is? It's not that it's not real; it's half-truths spread around to push an agenda. Pizzagate was a psyop. It's very real, there are children being raped/tortured/etc by elites, yes. But it's been spun into a right-wing pro-Tump conspiracy theory when the truth of the matter is that Trump is no better. That is the part of the truth that is hidden.
No.. You took it upon yourself to explain to someone, who's probably been doing this a lot longer than you, how a psyop works. You did this in order to portray yourself as smarter to the lurkers, it's a classic shill technique. Keep talking, this is comedy.
Regardless of who's been doing whatever longer, you're still ignoring the fact that, again, you didn't understand why a psyop would use true information. This is my third time saying it now. It is pretty comical how you seem to lack basic understanding. Also comical how you keep referring to people you don't agree with as shills.
Are you really dancing around in circles trying to convince people that I don't understand a psyop can reveal true information? Is this all you got? You faggots have been insulting long time pizzagate researchers for following Q, calling them all kinds of shit, because you don't agree with them. Ironic
No, I'm responding to your comments. If you're confused, you should probably go reread your own words from a few comments ago. Who am I trying to convince? I'm only speaking to you. And bitch I am a long time pizzagater. I've been here just as long as you. Gtfoh.
I don't need to read anything again, you're just dancing around in circles trying to convince people you have a better grasp on the situation than everyone else.
Again, I'm not trying to convince "people" of anything. I doubt anyone is bothering to read this far down in the conversation. You obviously have no ability to grasp what I'm saying, so I'm not wasting anymore energy.
You asked me if I know what a psyop is when I posted this..
So.. A pic, potentially from Epstein island, taken off of the instagram page of one of his "sex kittens" isn't evidence/lead? Maggie Nixon isn't evidence/lead? Q constantly telling everyone to look into this person or that place and that everything is tied together is Q saying don't do anything?
And now you keep dancing around insisting I don't know what a psyop is.
I never said you haven't been here just as long as me. I said you faggots have been insulting long time pizzagatr members over a difference of opinion. Reading is fundamental.
You asked why Q would be posting leads if it's a psyop. To which, again, I had to inform you of how psyops work and why they reveal true information. Are we going to keep doing this song and dance for another 10 comments or can we be done?
Unfortunately I didn't get a screenshot and don't have it committed to memory. I thought we were both adults and that you would man up and own it, not delete your comment like a pussy. My response to it will stay, though.
because it's not about the quality of his information. the Tom Clancy-reject idea of Q itself is laughably childish and retarded, designed to appeal to larpers and cunts, which is precisely the audience it has attracted.
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE LAUGHED AT. along with non-Q-following Trump-supporting right-wingers, who are so beyond pathetic that they are persona non grata in white nationalist circles, where theyre called Trumptards.
are you fuckin kidding me? Q claimed "they" say an oath to JFK in the oval office every morning. people make lion banners and slogans based on Q because they literally think they were "chosen" to accomplish a vague mission: somehow "spread awareness" despite (((monolithic))) media adversity. it is the exact definition of larping.
white nationalism is not "hung up" on divide and conquer. white countries are flooded with OTHER races while their own population growth is NEGATIVE. it is the exact definition of divide and conquer.
and guess what: Q doesn't have a god damned word to say about that problem, intentionally, lest you fools also finally wake up to it.
The main argument I've heard is that Q is a distraction and is put here to make us sit back and do nothing. That's a crock of shit, Q has never told anyone to sit back and do nothing. As a matter of fact, it's the exact opposite. What about all the info released on facebook, twitter and google? You think the deep state is intentionally destroying their spy operation?
you cant even fathom the gravity of our situation apparently.
saying "trust the plan, swamp is being drained, arrests soon" and instructing people to "meme" and tell their families to support trump is essentially doing nothing.
every single elected official is a traitor. they put rand paul on notice publically for merely not looking ENTHUSIASTIC ENOUGH during the standing ovation clapping for Netanyahu.
setbacks for the tech giants don't mean shit. smartphones are so cheap now that within ten years I am sure every single person alive will be given one for free so that advertisers can reach them. and the sole common message being pushed by all media and education is: white people are lame, their disappearance will be good for humanity.
there is absolutely no doubt that when whites are a minority our shit will be confiscated and our daughters ravaged.
if a martian was observing the US he would see a white productive class forcibly taxed to subsidize darker folks whose numbers increase and turn their states from red to blue, English to Spanish speaking, etc, and safe to violent.
that ALREADY constitutes a race war and the only reason you don't see it as such is jew brainwashing: 'we are all MURICANS'.
well look at south Africa: ALL those whites are fucked, and whites in white countries don't even have sympathy let alone invite them as refugees.
you cant even fathom the gravity of our situation apparently.
Really? What I understand is, if there are no white hats, we're fucked. Nothing will ever go to court because at that point they still control everything. I also understand that they've been begging for civil unrest in America (see BLM, Antifa). This is how they destabilize countries, divide & conquer. Without whitehats shit is going to get ugly. So yes, I'm willing to give this some time to see how it plays out before life gets real ugly for everyone. So far we can prove that this is coming from someone with close ties to Trump and that alone is unprecedented.
setbacks for the tech giants don't mean shit. smartphones are so cheap now that within ten years I am sure every single person alive will be given one for free so that advertisers can reach them.
That's been covered too. Everything is running through a bridge run by InQTel, the clown front, phones and all.
that ALREADY constitutes a race war and the only reason you don't see it as such is jew brainwashing: 'we are all MURICANS'.
Jew brainwashing? It was all the Nazi propagandists and MKUltra doctors that were brought here for brainwashing. (See paperclip) Are you saying they worked for Jews?
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twistedmac11 ago
I don't believe any of that to be true. However, even if they were one in the same, why are you going out of your way to make a big post out of it? That seems like a waste of time and energy. Do you have an actual argument to any of the facts presented by him/her, or do you just want to shit talk?
@ESOTERICshade is simply tired of disinformation being spread, plain and simple. As am I.
ThePuppetShow ago
People deserve to know who they're talking to, especially when it's shills. Donkeyhote has been exposed multiple times.
twistedmac11 ago
So you think @ESOTERICshade is a shill then? Why is that? And donkeyhote was exposed when? Where? Doing what? Having alts?
Your fishing for shills expedition does not belong in pizzagate, especially when your supposed proof is how they type similarly.
@think- @kevdude
ben_matlock ago
while i disagree with you about the relevance of Q, given my understanding of the rules, any posts that exclusively talk about hunting and doxxing 'shills' do not belong in this sub.
@vindicator @think-
twistedmac11 ago
From an objective standpoint, this breaks rules 1, 2, and 4. It's not directly related to pizzagate, and it makes no factual claims. It's an opinion piece against another user. This shit belongs in pizzagatewhatever or somewhere else. Yet both @kevdude was pinged and @vindicator showed up, but neither of them have even bothered flagging it. It seems as though the rules are only being enforced when it suits them. This sub is definitely in trouble if our moderators can't moderate objectively.
Vindicator ago
Sorry twistedmac11, I did not read this whole thread -- I responded to ben_matlock's ping in my inbox from my phone. I was answering in a general sense. Yesterday, I had 56 inbox messages, mostly from hojuruku, who posted a bounty on 8chan to try to prove I wasn't modding fairly six months ago. We have four moderators who are mostly new, who are scattered in different timezones spanning the globe, and whose multiple daily questions I have to answer before I can even begin looking at threads. My priority yesterday was getting the No Links sticky up, editing the sidebar, editing the submission form, and added the new rule to the rule code in the Removal tool.
My comments here prior to this one were general in nature. I stand by what I said: research into users disrupting the sub with sockpuppet accounts is directly relevant to PG. "Pizzagate" as linked in our sidebar includes:
Two mods asked me general questions relating to this thread, and I responded to those with my take in principle. I did not dig into this post to vet it in detail. When ben told me there was not enough evidence supporting the OP's claims, I told him to flair it for Rule 2. Apparently, he did not do so, and Kev ended up doing it.
I don't "have it out for" anyone in this subverse. I am wary of disinfo and those who spread it, and the willingness to follow the ruleset is one of the key things that distinguish legit submitters here. I try to help people do that every day. Some refuse and turn it into an attack. I really don't know what else to do differently. If you have ideas, I am all ears.
Vindicator ago
Our definition of pizzagate includes those who try to cover up elite child abuse by disrupting the investigation with disinfo and COINTELPRO tactics. Doxxing in Voatspeak only refers to outing real life identities, not whether someone is or isn't using sockpuppets.
auralsects ago
LMAO the lead mod labels it disinfo to merely identify proud Jews as such. What disinfo have I spread? The biggest Q drop six months prior? Only KIKES can lie so brazenly.
Meanwhile Jewish groups are acknowledged to be the biggest employers of paid shill groups operating both in our countries and Israel. LMAO
ben_matlock ago
do we have evidence that these suspected sockpuppets are really shareblue shills, rather than shitposters or trolls?
Blacksmith21 ago
Oh you're a whiney little narc fucker @twistedmac11. You went whining for mods like a little bitch. Pussymouthed little cocksucker.
twistedmac11 ago
LOL WOW someone's all up in their feelings. I tagged them bc this post should not be allowed to stay up, considering how many rules it breaks. Gtfoh, I'm not going back and forth with your bitch ass anymore.
ESOTERICshade ago
@Blacksmith21 is probably a Mason. Just sayinnn
twistedmac11 ago
Yeah, I don't think he likes me very much LOL
Blacksmith21 ago
And I spent all fucking day in traffic.
twistedmac11 ago
That's enough to make anyone crazy. My sympathies to you on that one.
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm not a mod anymore so I don't have to be nice cockbreath.
twistedmac11 ago
I noticed that. I'm not sure whether to extend some kind of sympathy to you (as would be my normal response, considering you obviously are having some negative emotions) or to tell you good riddance. Cockbreath is new, I'll have to remember that one.
ThePuppetShow ago
Donkeyhote has been exposed by multiple people. He's being exposed again in this thread. I've dealt with him enough to know he loves to capitalize the last words in sentences.. and you're already defending their similar writing style.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2143432/10568264
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2112983/10418948
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2118783/10444405
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2121610/10460094
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2131228/10505939
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2131228/10506648
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2151327/10607395
What better place is there to warn users that there're some crazy similarities between these two? Is my "expedition" bothering your agenda?
twistedmac11 ago
Their similar writing style? Because of how they capitalize letters? That's your "crazy similarities"?
Nice try, but no.
ThePuppetShow ago
Nice try, but you aren't the judge, the only jury member, or the executioner. Your opinion is provably bias by your little anti Q pow wow's with ES.
twistedmac11 ago
And you are the judge? So because ES and I agree on one topic, that means I'm unable to be objective in a different setting? You're reaching.
ThePuppetShow ago
No.. I'm presenting evidence.
I would take that a step further and say it's even possible that you are an alt. Why would anyone want to do away with someone (Q) who is supplying fresh evidence *and areas to research. Your whole argument is Q is telling everyone to sit back and wait. That is bullshit, plain and simple. Screams shill to me.
twistedmac11 ago
Oh Jesus. Here we go. I have only ever been me. No alts needed. Q is a psyop.
And your version of "evidence" is quite a stretch.
ThePuppetShow ago
So.. A pic, potentially from Epstein island, taken off of the instagram page of one of his "sex kittens" isn't evidence/lead? Maggie Nixon isn't evidence/lead? Q constantly telling everyone to look into this person or that place and that everything is tied together is Q saying don't do anything?
twistedmac11 ago
Do you not know what a psyop is? It's not that it's not real; it's half-truths spread around to push an agenda. Pizzagate was a psyop. It's very real, there are children being raped/tortured/etc by elites, yes. But it's been spun into a right-wing pro-Tump conspiracy theory when the truth of the matter is that Trump is no better. That is the part of the truth that is hidden.
ThePuppetShow ago
I've been red pilled since 02, I know what a psyop is. Good try though.
twistedmac11 ago
Obviously not, because you seem to be confused by why a psyop would present true information.
ThePuppetShow ago
Not at all, you're just trying to make it appear that I am. It's a typical tactic. Nice try.
twistedmac11 ago
I just had to explain to you why psyops use true information. Again, obviously not.
ThePuppetShow ago
No.. You took it upon yourself to explain to someone, who's probably been doing this a lot longer than you, how a psyop works. You did this in order to portray yourself as smarter to the lurkers, it's a classic shill technique. Keep talking, this is comedy.
twistedmac11 ago
Regardless of who's been doing whatever longer, you're still ignoring the fact that, again, you didn't understand why a psyop would use true information. This is my third time saying it now. It is pretty comical how you seem to lack basic understanding. Also comical how you keep referring to people you don't agree with as shills.
ThePuppetShow ago
Are you really dancing around in circles trying to convince people that I don't understand a psyop can reveal true information? Is this all you got? You faggots have been insulting long time pizzagate researchers for following Q, calling them all kinds of shit, because you don't agree with them. Ironic
twistedmac11 ago
No, I'm responding to your comments. If you're confused, you should probably go reread your own words from a few comments ago. Who am I trying to convince? I'm only speaking to you. And bitch I am a long time pizzagater. I've been here just as long as you. Gtfoh.
ThePuppetShow ago
I don't need to read anything again, you're just dancing around in circles trying to convince people you have a better grasp on the situation than everyone else.
twistedmac11 ago
Again, I'm not trying to convince "people" of anything. I doubt anyone is bothering to read this far down in the conversation. You obviously have no ability to grasp what I'm saying, so I'm not wasting anymore energy.
ThePuppetShow ago
Dancing can wear you out.
LOL what?
twistedmac11 ago
Ah, the good old "whut r u talking abowt, I duznt haz any alts" bullshit. Won't work here. Like I said, I will remember.
ThePuppetShow ago
I don't care what you want to remember. Can you give me the username?
inasmokyroom ago
You asked me if I know what a psyop is when I posted this..
And now you keep dancing around insisting I don't know what a psyop is.
I never said you haven't been here just as long as me. I said you faggots have been insulting long time pizzagatr members over a difference of opinion. Reading is fundamental.
twistedmac11 ago
You asked why Q would be posting leads if it's a psyop. To which, again, I had to inform you of how psyops work and why they reveal true information. Are we going to keep doing this song and dance for another 10 comments or can we be done?
ThePuppetShow ago
Wanna do me a favor and post that username?
twistedmac11 ago
Unfortunately I didn't get a screenshot and don't have it committed to memory. I thought we were both adults and that you would man up and own it, not delete your comment like a pussy. My response to it will stay, though.
ThePuppetShow ago
Interesting.
auralsects ago
because it's not about the quality of his information. the Tom Clancy-reject idea of Q itself is laughably childish and retarded, designed to appeal to larpers and cunts, which is precisely the audience it has attracted.
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE LAUGHED AT. along with non-Q-following Trump-supporting right-wingers, who are so beyond pathetic that they are persona non grata in white nationalist circles, where theyre called Trumptards.
ThePuppetShow ago
It's designed to appeal to larpers?
I don't really care what the white nationalist circle thinks, they're all getting hung up on divide & conquer bullshit.
auralsects ago
are you fuckin kidding me? Q claimed "they" say an oath to JFK in the oval office every morning. people make lion banners and slogans based on Q because they literally think they were "chosen" to accomplish a vague mission: somehow "spread awareness" despite (((monolithic))) media adversity. it is the exact definition of larping.
white nationalism is not "hung up" on divide and conquer. white countries are flooded with OTHER races while their own population growth is NEGATIVE. it is the exact definition of divide and conquer.
and guess what: Q doesn't have a god damned word to say about that problem, intentionally, lest you fools also finally wake up to it.
ThePuppetShow ago
You initially said it was designed to attract larpers. I already know you think its a larp.
Edit: Sorry.. "appeal" to larpers.
auralsects ago
youre right, the Q followers are worse than larpers: actual larpers wearing costumes in the park know theyre not actually in Mordor, LMAO
ThePuppetShow ago
The main argument I've heard is that Q is a distraction and is put here to make us sit back and do nothing. That's a crock of shit, Q has never told anyone to sit back and do nothing. As a matter of fact, it's the exact opposite. What about all the info released on facebook, twitter and google? You think the deep state is intentionally destroying their spy operation?
auralsects ago
you cant even fathom the gravity of our situation apparently.
saying "trust the plan, swamp is being drained, arrests soon" and instructing people to "meme" and tell their families to support trump is essentially doing nothing.
every single elected official is a traitor. they put rand paul on notice publically for merely not looking ENTHUSIASTIC ENOUGH during the standing ovation clapping for Netanyahu.
setbacks for the tech giants don't mean shit. smartphones are so cheap now that within ten years I am sure every single person alive will be given one for free so that advertisers can reach them. and the sole common message being pushed by all media and education is: white people are lame, their disappearance will be good for humanity.
there is absolutely no doubt that when whites are a minority our shit will be confiscated and our daughters ravaged.
if a martian was observing the US he would see a white productive class forcibly taxed to subsidize darker folks whose numbers increase and turn their states from red to blue, English to Spanish speaking, etc, and safe to violent.
that ALREADY constitutes a race war and the only reason you don't see it as such is jew brainwashing: 'we are all MURICANS'.
well look at south Africa: ALL those whites are fucked, and whites in white countries don't even have sympathy let alone invite them as refugees.
ThePuppetShow ago
Really? What I understand is, if there are no white hats, we're fucked. Nothing will ever go to court because at that point they still control everything. I also understand that they've been begging for civil unrest in America (see BLM, Antifa). This is how they destabilize countries, divide & conquer. Without whitehats shit is going to get ugly. So yes, I'm willing to give this some time to see how it plays out before life gets real ugly for everyone. So far we can prove that this is coming from someone with close ties to Trump and that alone is unprecedented.
That's been covered too. Everything is running through a bridge run by InQTel, the clown front, phones and all.
Jew brainwashing? It was all the Nazi propagandists and MKUltra doctors that were brought here for brainwashing. (See paperclip) Are you saying they worked for Jews?
DonKeydich ago
Like this one? LOL
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2375412/11815337
ThePuppetShow ago
I was referrng to comments between me and you.