https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2288133

Thank you for your post. I gave up here but still lurk.

But after a closer look, that "bombing" was a pre called in and nothing of value was there. There were 5 people killed however, but that bombing was severely over-hyped.

The value of course was innocent people. I watched the video of one young widow, heartbreaking. Tell her nothing of value/tell his child.

This sub is controlled opposition. When reddit went on a binge deleting subs w/o notice for some unexplained reason pg was given 2 hours to migrate. Not difficult to figure out.

From gatekeeper Noam...

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.

Anyway, thanks again for your post.

Oh, ps...notice how Q refers to 5 years from now? It's being locked in for trump second term.

A war criminal is a war criminal and there is no gray area. Bombing ppl is murder...doesn't get much simpler than that.

Of course, there is also the little matter of Trump and the RNC continuing to support Roy Moore for the Senate race, despite allegations that he sexually abused a 14 girl:

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/rnc-to-resume-support-for-roy-moore/

How does this benefit the Pizzagate narrative???

Yes, would sure love to know more about those meetings with Kissenger.... i also wonder about Trump's moves on net neutrality....won't that just give the big $ more power and make it harder to research topics like pizzagate?

LOL Roseanne Barr‏Verified account @therealroseanne 11h11 hours ago More trump is james bond and q i get it now

I passively followed pizzagate from the beginning and think it has much credibility but got less enthusiastic about it when trump seemed to be more and more naively interpreted as undercover savior. I never understood how one could heavily rely on such a narcissistic clown now even showing to be supporting Zionism. I got really concerned about this democrat/republican split that became quite prevalent. As most movements lose momentum through inclusivity issues and creating a strong in- and outgroup identity I think it is unfortunate how this very relevant issue of systematic pedophilia and sexism gets sometimes even rhetorically gobbled up in i.e. conservative rhetoric by frequently using it to legitimate homo/transphobia/xenophobia sometimes giving me a hard time to stand behind pizzagate when words like ‘faggot’ appear to be a no brainer in many threads here. Thank you from Germany as I think this post is very important and relevant, directly speaking to my latest concerns with pizzagate losing its focus of being an inclusive movement against the corrupt-elite-pedophilia that can make a difference by fighting together instead of politicizing it for other means. For those interested, I share a recent podcast on SoundCloud by Abby and Robbie Martins that is directly related to this thread: https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/us-saudi-kills-yemen-fake-news-fail-ousting-sex-predators

I made post a long time ago and out of no where, not even related to the topic i was scolded because im the only leftist on voat it seems, not a leftist in the same ways antifa or Sanders is but we are largely discrediting ourselves and not focusing on the real issues because everyone is against pedos besides pedos themselves.

What i will say about the CIA and other complexes is that not ALL are bad, most are good.

Fact that he's so experienced in business - bankruptcy, his humility, his respect for women...

his willingness to expose himself as a "pussy grabber." -- and his innocent adoration of his daughter.

Upchuck

There is a strong case for Trump being corrupt. I wrote an entire post about it here.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2129581

My post was titled:

"Here, Let Me Crush the Last Hope You Had That Trump Will End Pizzagate Child Trafficking"

However, there are a lot of different clues that Trump will do something big with #pizzagate. Here are some of the clues I know about.

1. Trump literally kicked Epstein out of Mar-A-Lago for inappropriate behavior.
2. Trump told Sean Hannity that he expects Bill Clinton to have a "lot of problems" with Epstein's island.
3. The first thing Trump did after swearing in Jeff Sessions was sign an executive order about human trafficking.
4. Trump hired, and relied on, General Flynn during the campaign. Flynn and his son explicitly tweeted about #pizzagate.
5. Trump relies on Blackwater CEO Erik Prince. Prince gave an explosive interview, covered by Breitbart, that vindicated #pizzagate and stated that the Weiner laptop includes child abuse content.
6. Dan Bongino, former Secret Service agent and current political pundit, explicitly warned a HRC clerk "don't poke the bear," and "people know" about HRC and Epstein, because not all of the blackberries were destroyed. This fits with what Erik Prince said about Weiner's laptop revealing that HRC visited Epstein's island.
7. The first comment on VOAT to one of my recent posts was by an anonymous user who confirmed that (1) military intelligence recruited Trump and (2) when Trump was propositioned by Epstein's operation with a child, he replied something like "she doesn't even have tits."
8. FBIanon said that if Trump wins, he is confident that Trump will put HRC in jail. FBIanon predicted pizzagate four months in advance of Podesta's email and the "#pizzagate" trending on Twitter.
9. Erik Prince's Blackwater mercenaries are, right now, torturing the Saudi princes arrested in Saudi Arabia. These are arguably the same princes who donated $40 million to the Clinton Foundation. According to the DailyMail, the current leader MBS is torturing them to learn about foreign officials who accepted bribes from Saudi princes, which sounds exactly like the CF donations, and fits with the description of HRC selling children to Saudi Arabia.
10. Everyone from Sean Hannity to George Webb predicts that the Awan brothers scandal will explode open and embarrass the Democratic party, and it arguably leads back to some #pizzagate content on the data the Awans were transferring/stealing.

And so on. There are other reasons to suspect that Trump will do the right thing. Qanon on 4chan gained credibility with me when he predicted that Trump's twitter account would go down hours before it actually did.

But there are lots of other reasons to doubt Trump. He was friends with Jeff Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Roy Cohn, all associated with child trafficking and sex blackmail operations. His name is circled in Epstein's black book, indicating that he knew about the operation. He's friends with Lucky Larry Silverstein. For a comprehensive overview, read my article above about crushing hope in Trump.

My best guess is:

1. 50/50 that Trump will do something really big and good
2. If he does something good, he will probably try to pin Vegas, 9/11, and part of #pizzagate on the Saudi princes who were arrested and are being tortured by Blackwater. He will not say a single word about Israel, Mossad, Silverstein, neoconservatives, dancing Israelis on 9/11, the Yinon Plan, or the connection between Maxwell and Epstein to Mossad. You see this when Trump's children are all married to connected to Jews (for the most part), and when Trump shakes Netanyehu's hands with a big grin on his face, when Trump declares Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel, and when Trump stokes further tensions with Iran.

I don't know enough to answer your specific questions, but I hope someone does. I'll give it a shot though.

As very much NOT a Trump supporter (and also as someone who believes that "Pizzagate" is credible and SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED PUBLICLY), I do wonder sometimes if he's playing with blackmail. If he ever indicts any actual people of significance, my first thought would be that it would be to seize power for him and for his family. If you have an understanding of history, you might notice that this isn't a new phenomenon. But God help us in this technological era. God. Help. Us. All.

Compare pedo arrests before and after Trump....those are REAL and evidence of intent....I/we all could be mistaken but the way he thrashed the Clintons and Bushes makes me like him...psy/op who knows but I like the play just fine....

Whoa, hold on. Is this a pizzagate thread or a bash President Trump thread?

Not getting sucked into your obvious hate-for-Trump debate. He was the much-better-than-the-opposition choice for me. Non-establishment. The only possibility to stop the blatant widespread corruption & perversion of the gov't. You weren't expecting perfection I hope. I would like to see your list of faults on Hillary, but I know you're not getting paid to do that.

Just want to say Golfing is a controlled environment thats damn hard to bug

A lot of business is done there

Also want to point out, that Trump seems to have almost surrounded himself with guilty people

Is this because he part of it or wants to keep close eyes on them and play with them as a cat with a mouse?

I seriously think Hillary thought she would win no matter

Was this a ploy by the powers that be because Trump is more malleable then Hillary?

She was promised it when Obama won the DNC ticket. Did they pull the rug out from under her?

I doubt it, there was too much at stake and these people wanted to carry on their merry way to taking control of everything

Who really thought Trump would win?

I didn't, and I voted for him

Only the 2 parties are really in the race for president and I despise Hillary

Obama seems to be always out of the Country

Is he waiting for boom to come down?

"He's a good guy" " they are great" seems to be a default answer for Trump, so who knows

I just know at this time I have to have a lot of Faith

Trump a savior? Haha no, but I have faith he will lance the carbunkle we have been living under

I listen to what you are saying, but I am part of the population that was quiet and came out in droves to vote Trump in

Time will tell, we have been screwed over so many times by our government

Still and will always think he was the lesser of evils if he turns into a puppet

Until then, I will hold to my faith

Some of the things you have listed Trump has done for expediency purposes, doesn't mean he believes in everything he had to carry out. Time will tell if its 4d chess or just votes.

So you would’ve rather “her” been elected?

Christmas.

Youre obviously just trying to staple Trump to the Globalist bastards we're all learning to hate. That means your side is losing.

For everyone else.... 1. Trump has all the right enemies. 2. Trump is trying to bring back Glass-Stegall, which Bill Clinton ended....allowing the big banks to merge with the big brokerages. It only took them 8 years (2008 crash) to destroy the dollar. Since 2008 they've been making a mint and buying more and more politicians ....Trump wants to break them up....They HATE him. Trump has actively pursued policy that the Globalists hate....tightening borders, stopping the "levelling" of the US economy with the world with new trade deals and ending NAFTA....and preaching to the world on the biggest stages of his international trip about the virtues of Nationalism, maintaining their own sovereignty and being patriotic about their countries.

The suggestion that Trump is a globalist is laughable. Doesn't mean he's perf3ect. Far from it. This thread is an attempted con.

Great questions. Here's a visual for people to follow along with: https://minutepeople.press/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1-34.jpg

My father would have chewed off his own arm before ever posing like that with my sister. And there are a LOT of photos like this of Trump and his daughter.

When he makes statements about how we have to leave the Israelis alone, I get nervous. You also named quite a few other reasons why he makes me nervous. I'm still glad he won instead of HRC, but that's not good enough.

I'm skeptical, because Aya Hegazi and her MK Ultra camp for kids in Egypt was exposed, numerous people were arrested, they found a kid chained up, videos and pictures and Hillary Clinton was trying to get this woman freed. The news paints Aya Hegazi as a good person. They leave out the part about the transcripts. Hegazi's accomplices, including her husband, are still sitting in jail, last I heard.

Trump did free this woman, though, and planted her butt in a seat at the White House.

https://i.imgur.com/nZp7Lkz.jpg

Hope

I also have my doubts about Trump and I sometimes have to shake my head, when I see some people adoring him like a saviour. I also read that he flew on the Lolita express... etc.. and all the other stuff you mentioned.

There is one thing that makes me "trust" him a little bit (at least more than Hillary) that is, that the whole establishment hates him so much. I am living in Germany. And we Germans are used to, that our mainstream media is always pro-USA. Obama and Clinton always were presented to us with a gloriole - and again and again we get that Kennedy quote "Ich bin ein Berliner" and every new president used to be compared to Kennedy. Super brainwash. German mainstream media is obsessed with US-presidents. Even George W. Bush... ok, he did not get the "Kennedy-appeal", but he still was presented to us as the "leader of the western world"... and if he did something stupid they did not talk much about it - or maybe joked a little bit... but there was never that hate I can see now!

In 2016 there was the US-election and all of our mainstream media were already celebrating Hillary Clinton as next president... and they were full of disgust and hate against Trump! ALL media! Our big TV-stations and the big newspapers - All of them! (except the small papers and websites from the far right and far left). And when he finally was elected, they were all going "oops! this should not have happened....!!" (it was fun to watch their faces).

Ok, I thought, let's wait for a while... I was sure, that, after a few weeks our media will start brown-nosing in the White House again, and soon we will get kitschy stories about "Trump's German ancestors" in the papers and things like that... - as they always did.... But, well, surprise, surprise - NO! All German media still hates Trump. I am really surprised! And, honestly, that is the main reason why I tend to trust Trump a little bit!

But, maybe I have to add, that in general I do not believe, that any politician who is in a powerful position (and does not get murdered) , is someone who is a "saviour" for us, the "normal people". There are always powerful people wo choose and control the politicians, so that the politicians control us, the "normal people". For decades it was what we call the "Deep State", who controlled the politicians (by pedocracy), media and the whole administrative apparatus. At least it looked like that. But now we can see, that the "Deep State" is not the real puppet master.

The "Deep State" probably just is a power cabal who was "employed" by these real puppet masters - guess, because it was comfortable for them. But it seems that the puppet masters now have decided that the Deep State has to go. They have started to get rid of their "old management" - that's how I would call it. And they have hired Trump for that. And maybe that's why all these disgusting pedo-crimes are now getting exposed.
The puppet masters have decided that it's time to "change the horses" - and the system. Why? Guess, because the system is bankrupt, as everybody knows.

So I think we are maybe just witnessing the historical event of a "change of administrative elites". But the "real elites" (the puppet masters) will remain the same (guess it's the Rothschilds or old aristocracy or similar people). And, although I like to watch the Deep State going down, I also know that the puppet masters are not our friends. There will be a lot of "collateral damage". And all of these people don't give a shit on us normal human beings.

And, will it be better after that change? Honestly, I don't know. Depends on, if the "satanist pedocracy" just was a tool to control the "upper management" - or if the real puppet masters also enjoy this kind of "pleasures"..

Shill . Trump is leading the resistance and giving us a voice

He looks more and more like PT Barnum.

If that's a fake out, it's the best one ever.

I keep looking for some slip up, some sign of Trumps common humanity. Nothing to date, he's as pastie as ever. If his eating nothing but Big Mac's to is true, I think we will have no choice but to down size this clown eventually. That oversize me film was frightening.

If I'm wrong and he turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread, I'll be first to say forgive me for doubting. A real story book hero knows to arrive after all hope is lost. We seem lost in a fairy tale.

It could be another standard bait and switch, look at pizzagate over here, while the rich folk steal everything not nailed down. We are the 99%, Don't forget.

Most of these comments are pure b.s. The truth is that most white hats inside the alphabet agencies did not like or trust Trump at first. They tended to back Cruz. As Trump continued to run for office they came to believe he intended to not be a puppet of the globalists. When they realized this, they worked extremely hard in swing states to make sure that the uniparty couldn't steal the election for Hillary.

He is the only non-puppet president we have gad since JFK and the only one willing to expose the deep state. Yet, most people talk about his orange hair and that they find his tweets too confrontational. Iv'e got news for you, folks. If Trump really is a puppet too, we are all fucked.

Trump was my last hope for this satanic ritual abuse being brought to the surface for everyone to see. But thats all it was, blind hope. Everything that has come to light recently involving the sexual abuse in Hollywood has litwrally been forced into the media by random people , Trump and his team have not been involved in any red pilling. It's been a year and nothing has been done. We're fucked guys, its just too big for us.

The Corbett Report - How Trump Filled The Swamp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs0BfPDvUQg

I've had some questions but to answer the Saudi Arabia thing. Canada sells weapons to them too and they've used them to beat the shit out of Yemen. Media silent. Also, who benefits from these Middle east wars? Keep in mind, Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies. Which proxy factions are whose ally? Which Muslim country is being perpetrated in the news as "the enemy". What's really going on in Saudi Arabia with the arrest of billionaire princes and the purge of many others?

You would agree that the CIA is a globalist and evil intelligence agency, correct? Why Is trump saying that the CIA is "great" and "terrific"? Why did he say that he was behind them "1000%"?

Trump says everything is great and terrific. In the world of big business and government mafia you learn to not reveal your intentions. Saying "he's terrific" leaves enough plausible deniability that he could mean it when you really think he's full of shit. It's called being unpredictable. Nothing "telling" about someone who feigns diplomacy. I'm sure they all do it. But with a more elaborate vocabulary.

Why was his Bombing of Syria a strategic move for the betterment of US citizens? Was it not allowed to occur under false pretenses?

I didn't like that bombing neither. We all thought he fell for the sarin gas bs and many of his base were pissed off. But after a closer look, that "bombing" was a pre called in and nothing of value was there. There were 5 people killed however, but that bombing was severely over-hyped. The only people who liked it were Trumps enemies. John McCain was one of them.

Why did trump meet in private, and visited the home of known globalist Henry Kissinger?

Thee old adage. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Meeting with Kissinger is just keeping up with the status quo. What's he supposed to do? Announce to the world Kissinger admits to world global domination, is a master of war and genocide and should be tried for crimes against humanity? Then turf him out of the white house? MSM would love that! Could you imagine the spinning going on? They might even call Trump anti-Semitic. Oh wait...

Why is he pushing the fake terrorism boogey man to accelerate more illegal war?

What's so "fake:" about it? Maybe that purge in Saudi Arabia has something to do with radical sunni Islamic terrorism. It's certainly is not Shiite terrorism. Someone is funding Mosques like crazy to incite the youth and someone has opened the migration flood gates into Europe and convinced white people that their culture is meaningless and deserves more "diversity". Sounds like a concerted effort. Think Israel and Saudi Arabia again.

The Rothschild thing? There could be something to that, you're not the only one suspicious. But how did Trump get elected? Seriously, Clinton had the deck stacked so high no wonder she's delusional and jealous as fuck. She didn't even have a concession speech prepared. So, if the elite made Trump their puppet, why didn't they let Hillary at least know? They didn't even let the MSM in on it and they certainly didn't funnel so much money from foreign investors like Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal gave to Hillary. This also means, no Russian collusion. Not only did the elite back stab and double-cross it's own minions like Soros, it managed to rig the voting machines easier to help Trump win than it could have to help Hillary win. Imagine that! All along they could have just did what they did to get Trump elected but for Hillary! Why?

No, this is what happened. The American people decided to blow up the entire fucking system rather than have that cunt at the helm. So they elected Trump and he's blowing up the system. You can't claim Trump is for the establishment when the establishment wishes they could just jfk him on the spot. These are different times. Maybe go read the 48 laws of power or even a cursory glance online and maybe you'll understand why Trump was elected.

I think the reason people want to trust him is hope, and the fact that his administration is pretty much the only party that could feasibly be working to solve this problem. I don't necessarily trust him, but I certainly hope the people who do are right.

"Pizzagators" = Trump supporter

is a fallacy that is included in most of the reporting against pizzagate revelations... It is also part of all the articles written by people who have felt targetted by pizzagate investigators. I am not a Trump supporter. I do not trust Trump. I can believe that the military (JSOC) is organizing a cleanup of the Swamp but I do not believe Trump has enough brain cells left to do anything but go along.

Good luck but the Hopium smoking is strong on this one.

If people would stop being lured into cheering for their favorite party IN A ONE PARTY SYSTEM and continue to focus on pedophilia instead of getting caught up in politics pizzagate might survive to be here another year.

If people keep getting lured into the Zionist trap of cheering for Zionist politics pizzagate will die from being diluted with delusions of progress that is not happening.

Pizzagate became strong because we trusted neither party and told them both to go fuck themselves and that we did not trust either of them. I like Trump better than Hillary but I know that the Republican party did not suddenly flip overnight to anti-pedo because it is still full of the same pedophiles.

What we see happening is Trump's ego giving the Clinton/Obama regime a bitch slap for being such nasty little fucks and showing them who is the new boss.

That depends on what you intend to win. It depends on if we believe the swamp in only inhabited by democrats.

Some people are not noticing that Pizzagate is morphing into the theatrics of Russiagate. The way we can see this is that Republicans associated with the pedophile network are not suffering the same unfortunate political fates as Democrats.

The Republican vs Democrat turfwar is not about taking out a pedophilia blackmail ring, it is about pigs jockeying for better positions at the taxpayer money trough. Pedophilia has yet to enter the equation because "The Storm" is not about taking out the pedophile blackmail ring. Its about Russiagate, Obamagate, etc....

Its dragging Pizzagate into the swamp and diluting our message of pedophiles.

Pedophiles, Republican and Democrat alike, are rejoicing. Suddenly pedophilia is only a Democrat problem, and no Democrats are going to jail for pedophilia. The subject of pedophilia will slowly slide off the map in this forum if people keep posting all these D.C. political turf war threads.

Until the most famous and powerful people in the world, politicians and billionaires, are publicly outed for pedophilia, all else is noise. They are still protecting themselves.

Its not lost on me that Republicans directly involved in Pizzagate are not suffering the same fate as democrats. The reason for that is obvious, its a turf war between two factions of the D.C. swamp.

I wish people would notice. If this keeps up EVERYTHING that happens in D.C. will be pizzagate related and this forum will look the front page of a political news site.

Just because some people have taken the bait that this political battle between the Republicans and the Democrats is all about pizzagate does not make it true.

I wish it was true but it isn't. We need to stay pedo focused on Republicans and Democrats alike.

Simply cheering for the demise of the Democrats does not accomplish our mission because the Republicans are neck deep in this problem too.

I think they golf to prevent eavesdropping.

Couldn't agree more. There's nothing more that compromises this forum than to think, of all fucking people, Donald fucking Trump is somehow supposed to be some savior of the children and the abuses against them. How about his many sexual predator comments? This post was a real relief for me, as I was beginning to really call into question the whole bias here. Getting pretty tired of people believing idiot pundits in the far-right who are supposed to represent the abused among us. The advantage here, in my opinion, is the emphasis on CITIZEN journalism, which is by definition not associated with anyone who claims allegiance to the establishment, and that most certainly includes our supreme clown of a president, Mr Trump

I agree with everything you say. I think he's been chosen, like all before him. I don't see him attacking pizzagate issues, because too many of his buddies are satanist pesos.

https://gabfiles.blob.core.windows.net/image/5a242a16d9bb4.png

I'm an "I" who didn't vote for T, or H for that matter, and am quite aware of his background and affiliations. Trump defs picked right for VP tho in relation to peeps like me, which there are a lot of, since, despite not being fan, I sure as hell don't want the impeachment of T in exchange for a P. Mr P, IMO, is a swampcon droid/druid war machine play-thing that will never allow for light to shine on PG. (H-heads seem to think a redo election is possible: FFS Serenity Now!!!). I appreciate any and all research posted in relation to T though.

So as the world can see, Pizzagate researchers are NOT all Republican supporters. No, for the most part, we just want the truth and to stop child pedophilia and ritual abuse. I personally have been holding my breath, blinding hoping Trumpo does something.

Any credible pizzagate researcher is very troubled by Trumps "friendship" with Jefferey Epstein.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,’’ Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

^ https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983

Not everyone here likes him. I sure don't. I think he is a clown and no better than any other puppet. Maybe people are hoping he will clean up the pedos, and are willing to put up with the fact he is just another globalist puppet if he would JUST DO THIS ONE RIGHT THING! I don't know...

https://archive.fo/XXHy3 :

Meet Wilbur Ross, who once bailed out Trump in Atlantic City and is now his pick for Commerce secretary - LA Times

https://archive.fo/cEW3f :

Donald Trump to meet with Henry Kissinger, GOP’s foreign-policy eminence - The Washington Post

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8 | https://hooktube.com/embed/aWejiXvd-P8 :

Donald Trump on ISIS - "I would bomb the SHIT out of 'em!" - YouTube

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=T4Ej4wXR7cM | https://hooktube.com/embed/T4Ej4wXR7cM :

'I am with you 1,000 percent' Trump to CIA. - YouTube

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Taxpayers pick up the tab for Trump’s pricey golf excursions - LA Times

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