An open letter to Putt (whatever)

submitted ago by Crensch

Dear Putt,

I'm know I'm probably not your favourite goat, but I don't take it personally. The anon psyop against me ~6 days ago may or may not have been correct in naming me one of the key people to whom you were addressing with the comments in your sticky, but I'll assume at the very least I wasn't absent from the list.

I like you either way, Putt, and honestly cannot thank you enough for providing Voat to us for as long as you have; hell, I wouldn't blame you if you crashed the whole thing right now and moved on with your life. You're a good dude for what you've done already, and it sucks to think that I've (probably) given you headaches and work you didn't deserve.

I know it's going to sound/look like I'm doing this as some form of mockery or with some undertone of derision, and I can't really seem to find a way to avoid appearing that way, despite not actually meaning it; hopefully this disclaimer will help you not take it that way.

I've been wracking my brain for the past week or so, in an attempt to understand exactly what it is you don't want us to do to newcomers. I've come up with a few possibilities, and would like clarification:

1) Don't direct them to the colloquially-known Voat introduction sticky that outlines the general trends and ideas of Voat.

2) Don't be racist in front of them.

3) Don't name the Jew.

4) Don't downvote them for asking for upvotes.

5) Don't speak out against their moderators' deletions and bannings.

6) Don't downvote their crappy/degenerate/etc. submissions.

7) Don't post/comment on their subs/content.

8) Don't link them to redpills, or try to redpill them.

9) Don't be honest with them when they admit something about themselves personally that I find disgusting/degenerate/etc.

I can't think of anything else that I do, or that anyone else does, and I cannot think of anything else that people have actually complained about, either here or the other site, after some group gets repelled. We're "Nazis" and "hateful" and "racist" is what's written over there; "4chan turned up to 11" was one of my personal favourites.

I'm more than happy to have some kind of gentleman's agreement NOT to do whichever of these you think is the problem for some period of time you decide. It's your house, and if you perceive that I'm proverbially shitting on your carpet, I'd rather you pointed me in the direction of the loo.

Thanks again, Putt, for everything you do for this website. I hope it gets easier and more financially viable, if that is, indeed, your goal.

-C

@Puttitout

EarlyEnding ago

The comments here are like THE whos who of voat spergs. Top fucking kek.

freshmeat ago

fucking hilarious

freshmeat ago

i know where claiming pedophilia is free speech is going. Talk all you want but you are full of shit

freshmeat ago

The difference with the Jew and I, in this case, is that I don't support free speech in one case and ignore it in another.

Amusing how you want to justify pedophilia. You are now in the likes with Hecho

freshmeat ago

I dont give a fuck frankly. You support pedophilia and use the same argument the jew uses for hardcore porn; "It's MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

Pornography isn't speech, and pedophilia for god damn sure isnt. There is a line normal humans draw when it comes to pedophilia and you would have zero success in the real world arguing pedophilia content is free speech. In fact you would likely get your fuckin ass stomped.

Or is it possible that these are my own opinions and you're projecting this SRS image on me?

You support pedophilia dude, conversation over. You are SRS, and if you aren't then you are the perfect type of idiot they can use.

freshmeat ago

equating pedophilia with free speech is the key sign of SRS. Best not to associate with you

12130205? ago

I am sorry it is not under better circumstances that I pinged you. This guy is seriously delusional and needs professional help imho.

freshmeat ago

I've never made a false claim and haven't been proven wrong about my accusations since the first week I got here in 2015.

adhdferret ago

Wow the sliding of votes here is obvious.

Here is what you need to remember @Crensch these people that keep trying new ways to slide the following will never be of a threat. Here is why.

They are confined to places like this and other social media. They will never be of actual impact on real world. Sure let's say they get people thinking and pollute their minds, but that is ALL they will ever be....a whisper in weaker minds.

People in general will never believe that words on a screen or in print are of meaningful substance. It is just something they will experience it and reality is subjective depending on the person.

Like me for example. I wasn't such a no holds bar racist till I moved to the north east. I thought that niggers are the way they are because of poverty or outside influence. It was isolated to economic development.

Then I got here and holy fuck my eyes were opened. I am not the type to keep my ideals to myself because fuck that. What I am saying is that my reality was different and I changed my view once i experienced it for myself.

I am no special circumstance either. This is just how people learn. Voat is being washed out because this is how these people gain influence and it is all they know....how to be fake as hell. They pretend to care about triggering topics, but really their allegiance is subject to change....it is because they are paid to be this way.

You, me, and many others have the views we do because we are this way. We name the kikes, and force people to see that niggers are niggers. They hate the way we are because we can't be shifted to group think and for now the majority of voat sees it our way.

They need to make an enemy like they do on Reddit. They have to force people to challenge their ideals of a specific user. They tried with me for over a year and never accomplished it. They try with @empress to this day and core users will never go against her.

Just like we being the core base will support you and these votes don't matter. They just don't and we can never be voted into the negatives to be restricted.

As for your letter.....honestly just remember this place doesn't matter. It hasn't since atko stepped down and puttitout took over. He doesn't interact with the common user. That is why this place will become irrelevant in another year...maybe less. He won't impose changes that actual community suggests.

He goes and adds shit that no one asked for and will be circumvented as soon as it is started. Mark my words that this place will have banned users of core base within a couple months of him starting it.

It just doesn't matter and honestly your life would be better spent doing shit you can to make yourself happier.it is what I been doing. I come around now because many people here I consider friends. I know they won't leave, and they won't because they think this place matters.

It doesn't and it won't. Admin won't let it....otherwise people like fuzzywords, or cynabuns would still be here. They realized it and said fuck it. You got all these people that kiss puttitout's ass saying it is ok and you have done so much.

Yeah sure he has, and you won't get the best from someone with praise....you get it from criticizing them and offering new ideas, but he don't want that....he says I could have left a long time ago. Well a leader of change wouldn't keep reminding others of that.

Something here is fucked! Something changed when he took over and it isn't going to get better. Seen this place change for the better for 2.5 years then last year it started going to shit.

He can see this forum sliding like this and won't do a fucking thing. Come in and say some bullshit of my comment or yours then do an edit after we come comment back.

Saying I love you really I do. Well fuck that don't love me love the idea of what this place is meant to be. Instead he gets people to support him and not this place. The ideals this place was built on when atko made forbidme and then whoverse and lastly Voat.

freshmeat ago

Reddit cancer

adhdferret ago

Look at this comment. They know they have won the social media platforms...which to me is fine. Don't care really, and the reason I don't is because someday we will have an event where talking isn't going to solve shit.

Humanity always reverts to it's primal state and when it does you will die. That is what I wait for. It will happen in my lifetime. Your words, social engineering, and manipulation won't matter because everyone will be for themselves.

Sure you may find a do good type that will take you in, but they will die with you.

Have your fun while you can.

freshmeat ago

fuckin hilariously ironic considering you are what you claim to hate.

adhdferret ago

I hate ineptitude. That is what you possess. There is nothing you offer to the greater good of survival. You talk and talk and never impose meaningful change. I call it lazy because this is all you do to contribute.

It will work for the do good types as I said. They want to hold out hope that talking solves things. Well it doesn't. Only action makes change permanent.

Just like this.....keeping to comment back with inflammatory shit. You are doing nothing of substance. Nothing to better yourself that is. You find any type of attention good because you are hated by everyone around you.....so you come here and think that this is good.

You can decide the type of attention you receive with whatever name you sign in with. You can't even keep up with who you are as a person. It is why you have so many fucking accounts.

I got ONE just one because I am comfortable with who I am and I don't mask this in my day to day. You couldn't be real if it means your life....someday soon it will too.

So go ahead and keep commenting back because you have nothing else but fake personas.

freshmeat ago

You talk and talk and never impose meaningful change. I call it lazy because this is all you do to contribute.

I've stated clearly what must be done to fix this site.

Go rant at someone else

Crensch ago

9-11, freshmeat, and the rPV crew have it out for me. Pretty obvious that it's not legitimate votes, too.

freshmeat ago

find 1 person on this website that supports you that isnt SBBH. And I banned Terran from discord for being a pedophile

12130094? ago

^ @TeranNotTerran

If your going to make these claims or slander someone at least ping the person as common courtesy; anything else is cowardly and disrespectful, just saying.

freshmeat ago

sure pajeet

12130129? ago

Lol, not true.

Crensch ago

Yeah, I've been targeted pretty hard lately.

UrAShillHarry ago

lol because ur a faggot

freshmeat ago

Or people hate Crensch and the rest of you SBBH fuck tards

12125469? ago

Shut up, sanegoat.

Inara__Serra ago

Isn't he just a prince? LOLS

freshmeat ago

You are by far one of the lowest energy trannies I have encountered, and believe me I have a disproportionate amount of encounters with your kind relative to how many of you there actually are, and if a mother fucker like you ever tried to pull this bullshit on me IRL i'd give you the boot

Pathetic mother fuckin mentally ill attention whores

12127821? ago

HAHAHAHA! I love it when you admit your intimate familiarity with trannies. Faggot.

Inara__Serra ago

has crensch just outted itself as freshmeat?

freshmeat ago

are you drunk?

Inara__Serra ago

Are you? I landed there from a permalink to empress's comment. I'm tired and I'm using a tablet. Sue me.

freshmeat ago

Not yet but im working on it.

Cresnch is the polar opposite of me and is a total faggot who protects pedophilia on Voat

Inara__Serra ago

Oh, please. Can't you just converse? If there were pedo pics being posted, everyone would be reporting it. Your obsession is borderline neurotic. How on earth do you deal with the K-Mart circulars when they show the kid's bathing suits? Drawn/cartoons might be reprehensible to you, but the supreme court says they're legal.

freshmeat ago

lmfao, i just looked at your profile. Fuckin tranny faggot role playing as traditional.

Inara__Serra ago

Oh, LOLS. Traditional? You have a very short memory.

freshmeat ago

Oh, please. Can't you just converse? If there were pedo pics being posted, everyone would be reporting it. Your obsession is borderline neurotic

Reporting it doesn't do shit since the admin condones it. And it isn't an obsession, i merely think pedophilia shouldnt be normalized

How on earth do you deal with the K-Mart circulars when they show the kid's bathing suits?

Because they ARENT SEXUALIZED in catalogs. Posting them on voat to subs ran by /u/Hecho is an entirely different territory. Having to explain this to you just proves how many fuckin shills are still on Voat.

Drawn/cartoons might be reprehensible to you, but the supreme court says they're legal.

Not for long mother fucker. They are working through temporary loopholes. You are referring to an antiquated law being applied to pedophilia as freedom of expression.

See how fuckin long that holds up when normies catch on to it.

heygeorge ago

Can't you just converse?

No, he cannot. Lol, I see you found this out.

freshmeat ago

you act like it was something i sought out. It wasn't. Hence our interactions.

freshmeat ago

whooooooa

PG is not viewable in /v/all anymore?

heygeorge ago

whooooooa

PG is not viewable in /v/all anymore?

This was (and I am not surprised) never true.

The quote @9-11 is mishandling is not from the pizzagate subverse.

freshmeat ago

thanks dude, appreciate it. I'll honestly take a shot for you right now, cheers

12123635? ago

There's a wide variety of people on this site and I happen to enjoy @Crensch, his comments, and his observations. While he may be cranky at times, I tend to appreciate it partially bc of the lack of authenticity in this world. Like him or not, Crensch is authentic. Additionally, there are plenty of welcoming w/ open arms Goats to balance things out. I appreciate Crensch's ability to call someone out for being a jackass tremendously as he just about always gives them a reason as to why they are being a jackass. He doesn't criticize and then walk away- no. He takes the extra measure to teach the offending party basic Voat etiquette. I know for a fact that if Crensch oversteps (which we all do from time to time) he accepts criticism and modifies his behavior.

TLDR: Crensch is Voat's older and wiser cranky old man and we should let him be. IMO, Voat is a better because of him.

bdmthrfkr ago

I have always found @crensch consistent if nothing else and that gives him credibility in my view. I don't have a problem with any goat who believes what they say regardless of whether or not I agree with them, I DO have a major issue with "goats" who are payed to be here. Those faggots have nothing to add to this site because their personal viewpoints are hidden behind their (((Bosses))) talking points.

Worthless posters IMO.

12167950? ago

Agreed 100%

AndrewBlazeIt ago

Inb4 shitload of downvotes from freshie and his bots.

12123730? ago

Freshmeat is MYG is Sanegoat. All the same person/group and all are faggots.

freshmeat ago

this is why I tell people the truth about you being a tranny. I am MYG but Sanegoat I am not. You just parrot what SBBH says.

Maybe I should have an awareness drive this weekend to alert people to trad wives sub.

AndrewBlazeIt ago

MYG and Sanegoat were both before my time. Are there any identifying mannerisms?

I'd guess something along the lines of "Making bold-faced claims with no evidence and saying everyone else is wrong despite having done nothing to prove it"?

Vindicator ago

I've observed they suddenly load up a batch of about six downvotes per thread/comment when they show up.

12123829? ago

Something observable he/they do is attack active members of Voat. Sanegoat wants nothing more than to destroy Voat so he goes after heavy contributors and threat finders like @Crensch

AndrewBlazeIt ago

Y'know, maybe SBBH does piss people off, but the downvote/upvote ratios in this thread don't look even remotely organic.

12124141? ago

SBBH irritates some and entertains others but in no way are they a malevolent force. One thing sanegoat is famous for are his bots. These votes are from bots.

freshmeat ago

Good lord you aren't even trying anymore. You have impulsed me to make a post about you today, ill go ahead and ping yoou to it in rPV.

freshmeat ago

I can't think of anything else that I do, or that anyone else does

You are so full of shit we can smell it through our screen. All of your reasons are total distractions as well, your harassment and mocking of honest goats and genuine users mixed with your censorship and organized brigades from PV is why people leave this site in droves.

@PuttItOut if growth is in your interests, getting rid of Crensch and taking some sort of action against SBBH/PV would be a massive step in the right direction, business-wise.

12125465? ago

^ ban happy faggot. Go back to reddit.

freshmeat ago

you must be fuckin retarded. I dont censor anyone, your butt buddy crensch does.

freshmeat ago

Putt would be smart to get rid of you

Crensch ago

https://kek.gg/i/3Pf66Y.png

Yes, get rid of /v/TraditionalWives, putt, because this faggot and his cohorts don't like @Empress @Le_Squish @Trigglypuff @Funkypurplekitty and @WifeWithaPurpose, and have the sock-puppet accounts to manipulate votes to prove that Voat doesn't like them, too!

freshmeat ago

Ping more SBBH trolls, it helps identify who Putt needs to observe and take action against.

I don't manipulate the website or else I would be on the front page daily. I also don't pretend to be objective like you do, and you mod a few big subs. We left reddit to escape faggots like you, not let you come here and ruin our new home.

TraditionalWives unfortunately is ran by unsavory lefties who role-play as conservative by reposting content from Trad wife communities outside of Voat.

Trannies pretending to be trad wives is the antithesis of a traditional lifestyle for women.

Crensch ago

Ping more SBBH trolls, it helps identify who Putt needs to observe and take action against.

They're the mods of /v/traditionalwives, faggot.

I don't manipulate the website or else I would be on the front page daily. I also don't pretend to be objective like you do, and you mod a few big subs. We left reddit to escape faggots like you, not let you come here and ruin our new home.

Nobody believes that horseshit, and you can't manipulate like that because you and your buddies got slapped in the last puttocalypse for doing so.

TraditionalWives unfortunately is ran by unsavory lefties who role-play as conservative by reposting content from Trad wife communities outside of Voat.

Yeah, try to make that one stick with anything but your claims. Support your accusation with something besides what you support every other claim you make with, (you know, NOTHING).

Trannies pretending to be trad wives is the antithesis of a traditional lifestyle for women.

SRS=TraditionalWives=Trannies=Leftist=Pretending because @freshmeat says so. Got it.

freshmeat ago

They're the mods of /v/traditionalwives, faggot.

Also coincidentally major SBBH users?

Nobody believes that horseshit, and you can't manipulate like that because you and your buddies got slapped in the last puttocalypse for doing so.

"nobody" everyone besides your cancer group believes me, and Putt believes me or he would have banned me.

Yeah, try to make that one stick with anything but your claims. Support your accusation with something besides what you support every other claim you make with, (you know, NOTHING).

Yeah let me pull down their pants real quick and show you their feminine penis. You are asking me to prove something that can't be directly proven so extrapolation and pattern recognition along with observation of their behavior is all one needs. But you are too dishonest for that route because it takes actual effort.

SRS=TraditionalWives=Trannies=Leftist=Pretending because @freshmeat says so. Got it.

I'm 100% fuckin correct and you know it to. Go ahead and attempt to save face in here though it's pretty entertaining. 😂

Crensch ago

Also coincidentally major SBBH users?

So? Are all /v/whatever users also going to be lumped in to something, too? You always act like calling out SBBH will work like "racist" or "nazi" no longer does. What, exactly, does SBBH do?

"nobody" everyone besides your cancer group believes me, and Putt believes me or he would have banned me.

I don't know that some of your usernames weren't banned for manipulation. I also said you and your buddies got slapped - suggesting that I don't think it's just one of you, but SOME of your usernames and votes got removed. Kind of a bad argument there.

Yeah let me pull down their pants real quick and show you their feminine penis. You are asking me to prove something that can't be directly proven so extrapolation and pattern recognition along with observation of their behavior is all one needs. But you are too dishonest for that route because it takes actual effort.

Cool. Show me those patterns.

You know, like I do when I call out Jews here. I support my claims, and explain why I got to that point. All you do is make claims and expect everyone to believe you. You get snarky and make sexual comments when someone questions you.

I'm 100% fuckin correct and you know it to. Go ahead and attempt to save face in here though it's pretty entertaining. 😂

That you find this in any way to be a win on your part suggests a mental deficiency. In no way is any of that supported. It's just claims after claims.

Support something. You've got archives? Links? Anything?

Crensch ago

@RabbiMohel @AndrewBlazeIt

Look at the votes in this submission.

freshmeat ago

Wow it almost looks like what happens in ProtectVoat when you accuse innocent users and they try to defend themselves

Crensch ago

I have no control over what voaters do or don't do. I'm one user, and I vote once.

freshmeat ago

I highly doubt you do not manipulate the voting system but aside from that, you have hijacked pizzagate and have turned off a shit load of users to the sub AS INTENDED

You re literally the perfect example of the definition of a shill. You hide the truth and go out of your way to justify your shilling.

freshmeat ago

Reminds me of when the_Donald mods tried to come over here and made /v/ThePedes

It's been controlled opposition before your power grab. You just made it worse.

Crensch ago

What? I had fuck-all to do with the pedes, it was a stupid subverse name for the platform hosting the main pizzagate PED(E)ophile subverse.

And look at OP again. How, exactly, do you want us muzzled? Go ahead, pick a number.

freshmeat ago

it was an example of how SRS users like you get into modding positions. I cannot believe you actually want to claim PizzaGate subverse is genuine lol. Talk about doubling down.

Crensch ago

it was an example of how SRS users like you get into modding positions.

No, it wasn't. What user got into a modding position with thepedes?

I cannot believe you actually want to claim PizzaGate subverse is genuine lol. Talk about doubling down.

If you don't like it, maybe you should block it?

freshmeat ago

If you don't like it, maybe you should block it?

Here is the admission of why you were installed as moderator there.

Crensch ago

That's not an admission of anything, it's using your words to solve your own problems, or, you know, like I mentioned in the shitlist post on you, using your arguments against you.

Turns out they're just as valid the other way around, but somehow that escapes you.

freshmeat ago

You were used willingly to get people to not take PG serious and by trolling genuine posters and investigators.

You just showed your true feelings about what people should think about PG.

Crensch ago

That's a bunch of made-up horseshit, just like everything else you post.

freshmeat ago

typical jew tying to warp reality

AndrewBlazeIt ago

Sounds like some advanced levels of butthurt

Crensch ago

And they are ON it with those votes, too. The ones directly responding to freshmeat seem to get 2 immediately, with 3-5 more added fairly quickly.

freshmeat ago

I dont know who the fuck is upvoting me, ive asked peace and Putt many times to help me identify certain things like this. It literally could be you brigading your own post for all I know. I'd bet money on that tbh, surprised you assholes havent already done that to innocent goats.

Crensch ago

I don't play that shit, and I don't believe you.

freshmeat ago

I frankly dont give a fuck.

This post is a perfect example of why Putt should remove you and I think he is going to feel the same way if/when he reads through here.

AndrewBlazeIt ago

DOESN'T ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THIS?! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

Crensch ago

Make a post about it and watch the downvotes flow in.

AndrewBlazeIt ago

But explicitly state what you're doing and watch that thread be strangely ignored.

Also, take a look at all the posts in v/truthHurts by ol' Maxxy Von Cactus. Weird how almost all his spam posts have like 20 upvotes in a sub with like 100 subscribers.

lion_rampant ago

You just downvoated my post to Introductions without reading it and left a snarky comment.

Crensch ago

https://voat.co/v/introductions/2416399

It's /v/introductions, not tell us your fucking life's story and expect us to waste our time reading it. You're like the creep that walks up to strangers and starts talking about your life and expects people to want to be around you.

lion_rampant ago

Considering the critique that went into what I posted, I figured it would be a good introduction. Sets my position for the debate to follow.

Crensch ago

This is an introduction.

Crensch ago

I don't really think it sets you up for much of anything.

Also, I edited my comment right after submitting it; apologies for the forum faux-pas, but there was just too much more wrong with your introduction for me to let it go at that.

lion_rampant ago

If you can't see how you are rude to new users and make this place uninviting, then maybe you just have a personality disorder.

heygeorge ago

Yeah @crensch should see if someone will cut off his cock to fix it!

Dudicles ago

It's rather interesting that you talk about melting a snowflake in your introduction, and then start whining about someone being "mean."

You then resort to personal insults (which despite being ever so mean, Crensch did not do), which is an enlightening touch on you as a person considering you think Crensch is rude and mean, and you supposedly want this place to be inviting.

12123532? ago

Precisely this.

lion_rampant ago

I melted a snowflake with academic argument not by being rude. I made a point of being like a dove, even.

All I'm saying is there is something to the way he treats newcomers. And he has a hard time seeing it. I don't care, myself. I'm not whining. I'm just participating in the discussion that he started.

Dudicles ago

Fair enough.

You're kind of right, but at the same time, I'd rather see counteracting viewpoints rather than seeing him silenced. It's also not that he can't see it, but that he doesn't care. Which, honestly, isn't necessarily a bad trait. At least you know where he stands and can ignore or engage appropriately.

freshmeat ago

It's not about being mean, it's about Crensch having an overall negative impact on this website, especially considering new users who introduce themselves are met with one of the most toxic SRS/SBBH users on the website aside from beatle and expert.

@lion_rampant is a perfect example of why @PuttItOut should remove SBBH from positions of influence on the site and crack down on their vote manipulation and brigading/witch-hunts

Crensch ago

especially considering new users who introduce themselves are met with one of the most toxic SRS/SBBH users on the website aside from beatle and expert.

You use the word "toxic" like the leftists do.

Prove that I'm SRS or SBBH. You make the accusation, you provide the proof.

freshmeat ago

and you dont like it when your tactics are used against you, do you?

Crensch ago

Except that's not my tactic at all, and I provide evidence to support my claim; something you don't do.

freshmeat ago

Prove what im thinking in my head

Your actions are what define you. Your constant projection and harassment is just a self-defense mechanism to cover your obvious shill behavior.

Crensch ago

Lots of meaningless bullshit character attacks. Keep at it, Moshe.

Dudicles ago

I actually rarely see Crensch. Perhaps a bigger problem is that no one really counteracts him. In @lion_rampant 's intro post, no one else posted anything. I'd argue the more negative impact is that only Crensch posted, so the newcomer doesn't get to see that there are other people and opinions here.

I'm sure you know, but Putt is part of the SBBH crew, which is why all of them are basically admin-lite's. It's not going to change as long as Putt is running things.

Crensch ago

I appreciate your response to the newbie faggot above. Given the votes here, (I'll never believe them legitimate,) it's surprising that anyone decided to comment.

Since you seem to be both observant and not overtly hostile to me like some others, could you please humor me and expand upon this:

I'm sure you know, but Putt is part of the SBBH crew, which is why all of them are basically admin-lite's. It's not going to change as long as Putt is running things.

I keep seeing attacks on SBBH by the freshmeats/9-11s and rpv people, but I never see any justification for any of it, and certainly no previous claims or evidence of putt being one. - whatever it means to be SBBH, that is.

Dudicles ago

I've tried to distance myself from them and that drama as much as possible. Back before they fractured and some went back to reddit for a couple of months and then returned, when Mick was (maybe he still is) their great leader, they seemed okay, in my opinoin. When they returned, they (by they, I mean the regular users who post in SBBH and the subsidiary verses) basically took on the same tactics as SRS of reddit. Perhaps they were always like this and I just didn't really figure it out, who knows?

Before Atko left, Puttitout was a regular poster within the SBBH and subsidiary verses, and (as he still does occasionally) inside-joked amicably with them all over Voat. They are also the ones who visibly help the most with Voat development, giving them inside access to the ins and outs of Voat.

SBBH most certainly upvoat brigade themselves, and very probably downvoat brigade certain users or types of users. I'm not up on alts, so I can't even begin to name them, though I'm not blind enough to think they don't have alts.

In my opinion, SBBH users represent the same threat to actual freedom of choice/speech on Voat that SRS (successfully) did on reddit. SRS were friends of the admins, and in some cases, the admins themselves. They used to claim they were just "shitposters," which SBBH used to claim at one time, but really helped the admins gain mod control over pretty much all of the main subreddits. These groups simply do not want people to thrive who aren't subjected to a type of hivemind set of rules (whether spoken or unspoken) which inherently censor anything anti-whatever they want to be the norm.

Whether or not you're part of that group, I honestly haven't really attempted to figure out. I usually don't go through people's post history, unless I am sure they posted something I want to look at and failed to save a link to.

Crensch ago

I lied. I made a comment when I was pinged here.

Crensch ago

basically took on the same tactics as SRS of reddit. Perhaps they were always like this and I just didn't really figure it out, who knows?

I'm pretty good at detecting bullshit, and I didn't notice anything. Then again, I get accused of being SBBH despite having it blocked since the Mick days.

Before Atko left, Puttitout was a regular poster within the SBBH and subsidiary verses, and (as he still does occasionally) inside-joked amicably with them all over Voat. They are also the ones who visibly help the most with Voat development, giving them inside access to the ins and outs of Voat.

I should unblock SBBH, I guess.

SBBH most certainly upvoat brigade themselves, and very probably downvoat brigade certain users or types of users. I'm not up on alts, so I can't even begin to name them, though I'm not blind enough to think they don't have alts.

Well, on that sub I'd kinda expect the upvotes to flow for stupid shit no matter what. One of the reasons I blocked it early on. I've no doubt they'll target users for no reason at all for downvotes - hell, they ban users for no reason at all, too.

The users accused of being SBBH by the freshmeats/9-11s all appear to be mains, and tend to defend their claims or state their position and why whenever I encounter them. Is their fuckery contained to that and other shitposting subverses? (i have a few blocked)

In my opinion, SBBH users represent the same threat to actual freedom of choice/speech on Voat that SRS (successfully) did on reddit.

All right. Haven't heard this from someone that otherwise made a reasonable post before, so I'll keep an eye out.

SRS were friends of the admins, and in some cases, the admins themselves. They used to claim they were just "shitposters," which SBBH used to claim at one time, but really helped the admins gain mod control over pretty much all of the main subreddits. These groups simply do not want people to thrive who aren't subjected to a type of hivemind set of rules (whether spoken or unspoken) which inherently censor anything anti-whatever they want to be the norm.

I recall the general narrative of the rEddit ones - had no idea the same thing appeared to be happening here.

Whether or not you're part of that group, I honestly haven't really attempted to figure out. I usually don't go through people's post history, unless I am sure they posted something I want to look at and failed to save a link to.

Seems a lot of the users accused of being SBBH I find to be respectable outside of that subverse, so if that includes me, fine. I don't believe I've made even a comment in that sub, though, so I guess it's where you draw the line.

The inclusion of /v/TraditionalWives in the SBBH list kinda makes the whole thing laughable to me, but I'll keep an eye out on fuckery like I always do.

heygeorge ago

makes the whole thing laughable

Shitposting is serious business.

Crensch ago

Unblocked SBBH - still see fuck-all wrong with what's going on.

Another possible redpill turns out to be fake.

heygeorge ago

Fake is an appropriate word choice.

freshmeat ago

You got your head on a swivel

Dudicles ago

What do you mean?

freshmeat ago

you are 100% accurate with your comment, and your doubts in it are more than substantiated but it's good to remain ambivalent

Dudicles ago

And my doubts are basically only doubts because I haven't seen legitimate proof (doesn't mean it's not there, just that I haven't personally seen it).

I like to think I've been relatively observant toward certain entities and trends, but I try to reserve judgment until I see enough of a pattern.

I've seen enough of a pattern with SBBH to know what their game is; I just don't know all of the "who's" involved, and ultimately, with Putt on their side, I don't care to invest enough effort into doing anything but commenting now and then when asked or if I'm trying to make someone else a bit more informed as to the state of things.

freshmeat ago

I agree entirely, but I still think Putt wants growth and he knows that getting rid of them is the only way it's going to work. His hesitation is alarming but I still have a tiny sliver of optimism with him.

Crensch ago

If you can't see how you are rude to new users and make this place uninviting, then maybe you just have a personality disorder.

If you can't take valid criticism because someone was meant to you, maybe you don't belong on the internet. You certainly don't seem in a position to support free speech while whining about "how you are rude to new users".

lion_rampant ago

I can take criticism. You can't. I criticize the way you criticize, which is rude and unwelcoming to newcomers.

Crensch ago

Nah, you're whining about my criticism of your introductions post. You didn't like it, so you think posting it here is some kind of vindication of your shitty post.

I'll ask again:

What, are you going to say that to people you meet on the street? In a video game? When you walk into your first class when you just transferred schools? When you introduce yourself as a professor/teacher of some classroom? Who in their right mind would even continue listening to you after the first few lines?

lion_rampant ago

You're so self-important that you keep trying to continue this forward.

You may have valid criticism of my introduction. But you lose the point which is that you are rude and unwelcoming to newcomers. I can take criticism so I can see the value in your words anyways, but other people won't and they won't stick around.

Crensch ago

You're so self-important that you keep trying to continue this forward.

Takes two to tango, faggot.

You may have valid criticism of my introduction. But you lose the point which is that you are rude and unwelcoming to newcomers.

So? I'm one user. If you can't get over it and stick around, maybe it's you with the problem?

I can take criticism so I can see the value in your words anyways, but other people won't and they won't stick around.

Doesn't sound like a huge loss, then. They won't be able to stick around long, anyway, because I don't just do that with newcomers. People get called out here all the time, and not just by me.

Are you trying to say that those snowflakes are worth muzzling me over?

lion_rampant ago

Are you trying to say that those snowflakes are worth muzzling me over?

ah, the Kathy Newman defense. No, I'm just saying if you're looking for examples of how you're not welcoming to the newcomer, I am an example of that. You can choose to use good rhetoric or bad rhetoric, no one is muzzling you.

Crensch ago

ah, the Kathy Newman defense.

Who the fuck is Kathy Newman?

No, I'm just saying if you're looking for examples of how you're not welcoming to the newcomer, I am an example of that.

What I responded to you was mild as fuck. If that's how you relate to people, my comment is a mercy.

Tell me, did my comment make you leave?

You can choose to use good rhetoric or bad rhetoric, no one is muzzling you.

Your original response to me suggests I did something wrong. What was it? This comment?

This is /v/introductions not /v/writeafuckingbookwhennobodyknowsorcaresaboutyouyet

freshmeat ago

Keep digging your grave lol

Crensch ago

Do you ever contribute anything of value? You seem like nothing but a reactionary shitstirrer.

freshmeat ago

We have been over this. I contributed much OC during 2016 elections while i was campaigning for Trump, and in early 2017. Ever since your group found out who I am they make damn sure my content hardly gets seen, especially when it's good content. I'm not going out of my way to post OC just so SBBH can shit on it with brigades. I actually have a lot of gun OC and could have a wide range of topics to post about regarding firearms but shills run both subs.

Just take a look at my submissions to see what I post and how the ration of downvotes to updates is unlike 99% of the posts on this website.

In fact you would still be targeting me if I hadn't formed a consensus among a range of users and started rPV.

You can't get rid of me by exploitation anymore so you just try to keep me from getting visibility.

Crensch ago

We have been over this. I contributed much OC during 2016 elections while i was campaigning for Trump, and in early 2017. Ever since your group found out who I am they make damn sure my content hardly gets seen, especially when it's good content.

No, "we" haven't. Your account is 6 months old.

I'm not going out of my way to post OC just so SBBH can shit on it with brigades.

Really? Because every time you're active, EVERYTHING I POST THAT GETS ANY UPVOTES ALSO GETS EQUAL OR MORE DOWNVOTES. Pretending to be the victim of what you're doing is something Jews do.

I actually have a lot of gun OC and could have a wide range of topics to post about regarding firearms but shills run both subs.

Maybe if you weren't a vote-manipulating faggot, someone would give a shit about you.

Just take a look at my submissions to see what I post and how the ration of downvotes to updates is unlike 99% of the posts on this website.

Shills show up all at once using vote brigading in a thread attacking innocent users,

Where you defend maxcactus, who does nothing but post leftist MSM propaganda that anyone can get literally anywhere, and he bans users and deletes comments that don't violate any rules.

Wow.

Oh, also, you described the post as "OP made a witch-hunt post attributing innocent users to a liberal spammer" when Maxcactus literally spams leftist shit and everyone knows it. How do you square this with your accusations against /v/TraditionalWives that accuses them of being leftist?

The guy spamming leftist bullshit = not leftist. The TradWives you don't like that don't post leftist stuff = leftist because ????

freshmeat ago

No, "we" haven't. Your account is 6 months old.

Oh so im not MYG anymore?

Really? Because every time you're active, EVERYTHING I POST THAT GETS ANY UPVOTES ALSO GETS EQUAL OR MORE DOWNVOTES. Pretending to be the victim of what you're doing is something Jews do.

Nigger i never see your posts. I didn't even see this one until I was pinged to it.

Maybe if you weren't a vote-manipulating faggot, someone would give a shit about you.

I dont manipulate. Maybe you should fuck off and go take your mental illnesses elsewhere. You shouldn't have any power on voat, especially considering you are socially retarded,

Where you defend maxcactus, who does nothing but post leftist MSM propaganda that anyone can get literally anywhere, and he bans users and deletes comments that don't violate any rules.

I only defended his right to have a subverse free from your brigading and constant attacks from PV. Just block the sub if you don't like, isnt that what you tell us to do about the pedophile subs? Sort of a fucking hypocrite, but that's the normal MO for SRS faggots like you.

Oh, also, you described the post as "OP made a witch-hunt post attributing innocent users to a liberal spammer" when Maxcactus literally spams leftist shit and everyone knows it.

Yeah of course maxcactus is a faggot and I disagree with his shilling, but what you do is way worse. You are a cancer to genuine public discourse.

How do you square this with your accusations against /v/TraditionalWives that accuses them of being leftist?

I said they are trannies LARPing here because conservative men are alpha males and they get off on being accepted by us. They are inane in the membrane.

The guy spamming leftist bullshit = not leftist. The TradWives you don't like that don't post leftist stuff = leftist because ????

I've literally never even checked his sub. It wasnt about their ideologies, it was about your organized brigades and manipulation

Crensch ago

Oh so im not MYG anymore?

I don't remember this shit. Sanegoat/amalek/myg why the fuck are the spergs of this site always switching usernames, and why is your username all of a sudden NOT so far in the negative that you need a new one after needing so many others. Can you tell me that, Mr. Victim?

Nigger i never see your posts. I didn't even see this one until I was pinged to it.

http://archive.is/zX39Y

Where?

Where was it that you were pinged to this submission? I either caught you in a lie, or caught you telling me that someone somewhere else pings you or directs you to this stuff. Which is it?

I dont manipulate. Maybe you should fuck off and go take your mental illnesses elsewhere. You shouldn't have any power on voat, especially considering you are socially retarded,

Really? Why is THIS username all of a sudden not going negative? What would YOU assume, in my position?

Your words are NOT popular, and they don't ring true with real goats. Hell, most of the goats seem to be able to peg you as MYG from your writing style as it is.

I only defended his right to have a subverse free from your brigading and constant attacks from PV. Just block the sub if you don't like, isnt that what you tell us to do about the pedophile subs? Sort of a fucking hypocrite, but that's the normal MO for SRS faggots like you.

Oh, users aren't allowed to post about what they don't like now? What about that user's right to post what he doesn't like about a subverse, is that meaningful at all? What if I want PV free from your brigading and constant attacks? Why can't you just block the sub if you don't like it? Isn't that what you tell us to do about leftist MSM outlets that cover for pedophiles and traitors? Who's the hypocrite here?

Yeah of course maxcactus is a faggot and I disagree with his shilling, but what you do is way worse. You are a cancer to genuine public discourse.

Right. So being a regular user that happens to mod a subverse that was put together as a reaction to cancermods and continues to this day to be nothing more than a place to highlight fuckery - that means I have less rights than maxcactus in @freshmeat-land. Got it.

I said they are trannies LARPing here because conservative men are alpha males and they get off on being accepted by us. They are inane in the membrane.

Somehow leftist trannies LARPing need to go, and are on your sidebar, but /v/TruthHurts isn't?

I've literally never even checked his sub. It wasnt about their ideologies, it was about your organized brigades and manipulation

Because /v/TruthHurts was targeted by us, it gets carte blanche to do whatever it wants free from @freshmeat harrassment?

freshmeat ago

Where was it that you were pinged to this submission? I either caught you in a lie, or caught you telling me that someone somewhere else pings you or directs you to this stuff. Which is it?

9-11 pinged me before he edited his comment, and I appreciate it

It's my birthday today and I'm not interested in spending any more time tlaking to a faggot like you. Hopefully putt reads this "open letter" and sees it for exactly what it is.

I know it's going to sound/look like I'm doing this as some form of mockery or with some undertone of derision, and I can't really seem to find a way to avoid appearing that way,

Just because you ironically stated that doesn't make this post the opposite of it. Putt isn't stupid.

Crensch ago

9-11 pinged me before he edited his comment, and I appreciate it

So either @9-11 is hiding pings and being a shady fuck, or you're lying. Which is it?

It's my birthday today and I'm not interested in spending any more time tlaking to a faggot like you. Hopefully putt reads this "open letter" and sees it for exactly what it is.

Hopefully he deals with your crew of vote-manipulators. It's funny how when something is noted from PV, multiple users chime in if they decide to vote on something, but with your crew, it's like 2 of you for every 3-5 votes that show up.

That's not a coincidence, it's a fact.

Just because you ironically stated that doesn't make this post the opposite of it. Putt isn't stupid.

Then correct me. What did I miss in my list of things that I shouldn't do? The very fact that not a single person here could find a goddamn thing I missed suggests that I covered all the bases legitimately.

So, again, how would you muzzle me, if you were putt? (well, we know you want putt to ban me, but that's rich coming from a guy who was downvoted on multiple usernames consistently BY THE USERS OF THIS WEBSITE)

freshmeat ago

begone thot

AndrewBlazeIt ago

Don't downvote them for asking for upvotes

If this is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Crensch ago

6 downvotes for this comment.

Legitimate voting.

Pick one.

freshmeat ago

You and SBBH are concern trolling putt on top of all the shit you do on this site?

12124151? ago

You are a YUGE FAGGOT

freshmeat ago

Hey I stopped beefin with you.

AndrewBlazeIt ago

You and rPV are concern trolling putt on top of all the shit you do on this site?

BOOM! #WHIPPED

SBBHandPVareRETARDS ago

I can't think of anything else that I do

Aside from being really fucking annoying?

RabbiMohel ago

Hi Freshmeat / 9-11. Get a life.

AndrewBlazeIt ago

Kek. He just can't stop getting #WHIPPED, can he?