Dear Putt,
I'm know I'm probably not your favourite goat, but I don't take it personally. The anon psyop against me ~6 days ago may or may not have been correct in naming me one of the key people to whom you were addressing with the comments in your sticky, but I'll assume at the very least I wasn't absent from the list.
I like you either way, Putt, and honestly cannot thank you enough for providing Voat to us for as long as you have; hell, I wouldn't blame you if you crashed the whole thing right now and moved on with your life. You're a good dude for what you've done already, and it sucks to think that I've (probably) given you headaches and work you didn't deserve.
I know it's going to sound/look like I'm doing this as some form of mockery or with some undertone of derision, and I can't really seem to find a way to avoid appearing that way, despite not actually meaning it; hopefully this disclaimer will help you not take it that way.
I've been wracking my brain for the past week or so, in an attempt to understand exactly what it is you don't want us to do to newcomers. I've come up with a few possibilities, and would like clarification:
1) Don't direct them to the colloquially-known Voat introduction sticky that outlines the general trends and ideas of Voat.
2) Don't be racist in front of them.
3) Don't name the Jew.
4) Don't downvote them for asking for upvotes.
5) Don't speak out against their moderators' deletions and bannings.
6) Don't downvote their crappy/degenerate/etc. submissions.
7) Don't post/comment on their subs/content.
8) Don't link them to redpills, or try to redpill them.
9) Don't be honest with them when they admit something about themselves personally that I find disgusting/degenerate/etc.
I can't think of anything else that I do, or that anyone else does, and I cannot think of anything else that people have actually complained about, either here or the other site, after some group gets repelled. We're "Nazis" and "hateful" and "racist" is what's written over there; "4chan turned up to 11" was one of my personal favourites.
I'm more than happy to have some kind of gentleman's agreement NOT to do whichever of these you think is the problem for some period of time you decide. It's your house, and if you perceive that I'm proverbially shitting on your carpet, I'd rather you pointed me in the direction of the loo.
Thanks again, Putt, for everything you do for this website. I hope it gets easier and more financially viable, if that is, indeed, your goal.
-C
@Puttitout
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lion_rampant ago
You just downvoated my post to Introductions without reading it and left a snarky comment.
Crensch ago
https://voat.co/v/introductions/2416399
It's /v/introductions, not tell us your fucking life's story and expect us to waste our time reading it. You're like the creep that walks up to strangers and starts talking about your life and expects people to want to be around you.
lion_rampant ago
Considering the critique that went into what I posted, I figured it would be a good introduction. Sets my position for the debate to follow.
Crensch ago
I don't really think it sets you up for much of anything.
Also, I edited my comment right after submitting it; apologies for the forum faux-pas, but there was just too much more wrong with your introduction for me to let it go at that.
lion_rampant ago
If you can't see how you are rude to new users and make this place uninviting, then maybe you just have a personality disorder.
Crensch ago
If you can't take valid criticism because someone was meant to you, maybe you don't belong on the internet. You certainly don't seem in a position to support free speech while whining about "how you are rude to new users".
lion_rampant ago
I can take criticism. You can't. I criticize the way you criticize, which is rude and unwelcoming to newcomers.
Crensch ago
Nah, you're whining about my criticism of your introductions post. You didn't like it, so you think posting it here is some kind of vindication of your shitty post.
I'll ask again:
What, are you going to say that to people you meet on the street? In a video game? When you walk into your first class when you just transferred schools? When you introduce yourself as a professor/teacher of some classroom? Who in their right mind would even continue listening to you after the first few lines?
lion_rampant ago
You're so self-important that you keep trying to continue this forward.
You may have valid criticism of my introduction. But you lose the point which is that you are rude and unwelcoming to newcomers. I can take criticism so I can see the value in your words anyways, but other people won't and they won't stick around.
Crensch ago
Takes two to tango, faggot.
So? I'm one user. If you can't get over it and stick around, maybe it's you with the problem?
Doesn't sound like a huge loss, then. They won't be able to stick around long, anyway, because I don't just do that with newcomers. People get called out here all the time, and not just by me.
Are you trying to say that those snowflakes are worth muzzling me over?
lion_rampant ago
ah, the Kathy Newman defense. No, I'm just saying if you're looking for examples of how you're not welcoming to the newcomer, I am an example of that. You can choose to use good rhetoric or bad rhetoric, no one is muzzling you.
Crensch ago
Who the fuck is Kathy Newman?
What I responded to you was mild as fuck. If that's how you relate to people, my comment is a mercy.
Tell me, did my comment make you leave?
Your original response to me suggests I did something wrong. What was it? This comment?