RoC: Index / ToC / Overview: Chapter 2
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- Looking into the Waco siege & Jonestown massacre.
- Looking into political and Scientologist(et al) connections per the above, in the context of cult involvement in global corruption and 'terrorism'(manufactured and real).
Preface
In this thread I will be exploring both the Waco siege and the Jonestown massacre. On some level or another, each has elements of compound cults, child abuse and mass-death, along with strong political connections especially to Democrats, no less. Through the people connected to these events and the aftermath of each, I'll also be exploring potential cover-up attempts and links to Scientology and 'terrorism', etc.
I've recently touched on these topics and left hints as to what to expect in this thread, I won't spend much time rambling here in the preface, I'll do a couple of flashbacks to show the context of possible connections between the Waco siege, Scientology(et al) and other elements of the Root of Corruption(RoC) series:
[4. RoC - Annex: Addendum RE: #WHQOPSI: Jim Carrey: comment 7/9]:
Oh hell, let's see how far we can take this...
Shoutout to @dundundunnnnn: 32. Police Find Video of Larry Nassar Abusing Patient on Ex-Michigan State Deans Computer
^ my research comment: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2474336/12342261
google maps: "Twistars gymnastics club"; Gedderts' Twistars USA Gymnastics Club, Dimondale, MI (Sute?)
google maps: "Scientology in Michigan"; 2 hits, compare with above
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google maps: "The Karolyi Ranch in Texas"; Bela Karolyi's Ranch, Hunstville, TX I mean it, buckle up. (Greg, hold my beer, it gets sooo much better)
google maps: ^ Zoom out, note marked areas, see below.
From top, left to right:
Addendum to La Frontera/Texas Chainsaw Massacre/Ed Gein topic: Apparently I had not yet(or had removed) explicitly pointed this out
wiki: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974 film)
Production
Development
The concept for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre arose in the early 1970s while Tobe Hooper was working as an assistant film director at the University of Texas at Austin and as a documentary cameraman.[3] He had already developed a story involving the elements of isolation, the woods, and darkness.[4] He credited the graphic coverage of violence by San Antonio news outlets as one inspiration for the film[5] and based elements of the plot on serial killer Ed Gein in 1950s Wisconsin;[6] Gein inspired other horror films such as Psycho (1960) and The Silence of the Lambs (1991).[7][8][9][10] During development, Hooper used the working titles of Headcheese and Leatherface.[11][12]~~
~~##Filming
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The farmhouse used for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was moved from La Frontera to Kingsland, Texas, and restored as a restaurant.[26]
The primary filming location was an early 1900s farmhouse located on Quick Hill Road near Round Rock, Texas, where the La Frontera development is now located.[26]~~
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[5. Root of Corruption - Annex: Amin | Weinstein | Bay | Masterson | Scientology | Sep 11 | Black September]: comment 8/9:
[45]:
Emphasis my own.
State assembly and Congressional tenure
~~As a member of the House Judiciary Committee, Schumer was one of four congressional members who oversaw the House investigation (leading the Democratic defense of the Clinton administration),[21] of the Waco siege hearings in 1995.[22]
[6. [5: ref 45]: wiki: Chuck Schumer]
I know, the above is a bit messy. I'll put it in a better context later.
Starting with the Waco siege
[7. wiki: Waco siege]:
The Waco siege was the siege of a compound belonging to the Branch Davidians, carried out by American federal and Texas state law enforcement, as well as the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993.[4] The Branch Davidians were led by David Koresh and were headquartered at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Axtell, Texas,[5][6][7] 13 miles (21 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the ATF obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and a select few of the group's members.
The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four government agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege lasting 51 days was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out of the ranch. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center. In total, 76 people died,[8][9] including David Koresh.
Much dispute remains as to the actual events of the siege. A particular controversy ensued over the origin of the fire; an internal Justice Department investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members had started the fire. The events near Waco, and the siege at Ruby Ridge less than twelve months earlier, were both cited as the primary motivations behind the Oklahoma City bombing that took place exactly two years later.
[8. wiki: Branch Davidians]:
The Branch Davidians (also known as The Branch) are a religious group that originated in 1955 from a schism among the Shepherd's Rod/Davidians. The Branch group was initially led by Benjamin Roden. Branch Davidians are most associated with the Waco siege of 1993, which involved David Koresh.
The doctrinal beliefs of the Branch Davidians differ on teachings such as the Holy Spirit and his nature, and the feast days and their requirements. Both groups have disputed the relevance of the other's spiritual authority based on the proceedings following Victor Houteff's death. From its inception in 1930, the Davidians/Shepherd's Rod group believed themselves to be living in a time when Biblical prophecies of a final divine judgment were coming to pass as a prelude to Christ's Second Coming.
In the late 1980s, Koresh and his followers abandoned many Branch Davidian teachings. Koresh became the group's self-proclaimed final prophet. "Koreshians" were the majority resulting from the schism among the Branch Davidians, but some of the Branch Davidians did not join Koresh's group and instead gathered around George Roden or became independent. Following a series of violent shootouts between Roden's and Koresh's group, the Mount Carmel compound was eventually taken over by the "Koreshians". In 1993, the ATF and Texas National Guard raided one of the properties belonging to a new religious movement centered around David Koresh that evolved from the Branch Davidians for suspected weapons violations. While climbing a ladder, an officer accidentally shot himself in the leg, which began a two-hour firefight in which four ATF agents were killed; this was followed by a standoff with the FBI that lasted for 51 days. The siege ended with a raid that resulted in the deaths of Koresh and 82 of his followers.[2][3]
[9. wiki: David Koresh]
David Koresh (born Vernon Wayne Howell; August 17, 1959 – April 19, 1993) was the American leader of the Branch Davidians sect, believing himself to be its final prophet.~~
Continued ahead in comments, sort oldest first...
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[26?. ^ "some time before April 2004" | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27924-2004Mar26.html? | https://archive.is/z6AUO]:
[#27. ^ "covered in CultNews.com" | https://cultnews.com/2004/03/ny-senator-and-congresswoman-shilling-for-scientology/ | https://archive.is/ZJVka]:
Please note that so far, I have been unable to recover Schumer's or Maloney's letters of support - as such, the accuracy of the following claims regarding the exact nature of their support, is yet to be verified.
The above mostly acts as a reference for timelining the founding, Schumer's and Maloney's support and Schumer's subsequent retraction of support of NYRWDP after the public started becoming aware of the connection to Scientology.
[#28. ^ "Schumer's subsequent retraction of support" | http://www.buffaloscientologyinfo.com/schumer.html | https://archive.is/6xOAQ]:
Y'know what? I'm calling utter bullshit that Schumer was unaware of the Scientology connection - not based on the report from CultNews, but, on basic logic. Democrats were all over it from the jump and Lopez was even present during the ribbon cutting ceremony of at least one connected building, with Tom Cruise - very public, not to mention that basic inquiry before endorsement would reveal the nature of the program's roots and backers.
There is, of course, another way we can bring Scientology into the Waco picture.
Rick Alan Ross...
Previously discussed: RoC - Annex: Addendum RE: #WHQOPSI: Jim Carrey - comment 5 & comment 6
[29. wiki: Rick Alan Ross]:
[30. webarchive.org: http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/davidians/ammerman.html]
It is worth noting that Ross recieved a lot of criticism over his involvement with the Waco Siege, much of it quite valid with regards to his approach and the apparent narrow-mindedness of the BATF and FBI - let's face it, Waco was a fuck-up from the very jump(see earlier Rodriguez section). I'll go ahead and even agree that much of Rick Ross's conduct in terms of his deprogramming, is highly questionable and not something that should fly in society. Indeed, Ross almost certainly has mislabeled some movements as being more dangerous than they are, but, referring back to the last time I mentioned him in RoC, regarding his scrape with NXIVM, it would seem that he doesn't always get it wrong at all(see current events and ongoing connections RE: NXIVM).
In no uncertain terms, I feel it is fair to propose the possibility that Scientologists and their affiliates, up to and including Scientology-affiliated entities to arise years later(eg: NXIVM - 1998), have been trying to seize the opportunity to 'take Rick Ross out', 'by any means necessary', due to his work, some of which being the seemingly accurate assessment of dangerous cults. Despite some of the fair criticism Ross recieves, many sources also seem more malicious and rooted in the aforementioned efforts against him.
[31. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/hush-hush-sweet-charlatans-6426159 | https://archive.is/EMZGp] (archived shows full text)
[29]:
I'll wrap this up & continue it another time;
Jonestown explored ahead...