10061900? ago

Repost from 8 months ago.

Some duplication.

But worth reading I think.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1428672

10060730? ago

Info. on other Silsby's trafficking raids:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1690685 OP. @Clinker

10060388? ago

Silsby (now named 'Gayler') 'et al' plans to secure 100 Haitian

children and leave Haiti:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2037299

OP. @Commoner

copy @exposethecriminals

10056317? ago

Short Bio. - Silsby:

http://pizzagate.wiki/Laura_Silsby

Lots of thanks to

@Truthplease5

for the timely edit update on Laura Silsby.

10030915? ago

On this subject:

Worthwhile to look at:

Post from 9months ago

https://voat.co/v/politics/1387213

Thank You To. @New_years_day

Are_we__sure ago

The State Depart is routinely involved in the arrest of American citizens overseas. Consular services is one of the most important functions of the State Department. No one in the State Department knew this woman's name before and 9 others from her Church got arrested. The initial story was 10 American Baptist Missionaries were arrested. If you look through the Wikileaks emails, you can find the first involving these "10 AMCIT," or American citizens, it's from the folks at the consulate in Haiti and it goes up the chain to the Secretary of State. This is fairly routine. You can find cables talking about the case in Italy where Amanda Knox was arrested for Murder in the wikileaks files. The "importance" you speak of is because she was an American citizen.

Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad

One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international law, domestic and foreign law.

Bill Clinton did not get her out. She was convicted and sentenced to a 6 month sentence.

10057922? ago

This is kind of true and kind of not.

Amanda Knox is an example of a normal case where an American citizen got in trouble with the law overseas.

Here's what you're leaving out of your post:

Bill Clinton didn't personally go to Italy to intervene in the Amanda Knox case.

and Bill basically got Silsby off. She was originally charged with kidnapping, which could have gotten her jailed for years. Clinton got the charges reduced to 'irregular travel' charges and negotiated a 6 month slap on the wrist for her.

Also, it was him who got the Haitians to release the other nine without charging them.

And the thousand dollar question is: why was Laura Silsby so much more important to the Clintons than Amanda Knox, or the dozens of other Americans who get arrested on serious charges overseas?

10064727? ago

You mistakenly comparing a normal case of an America arrested for murder and the arrest of 10 Baptist Missionaries claiming they were trying to do good.

Did Amanda Knox have three current or former Presidents of America's Largest Protestant Denomination calling on President Obama for help? These 10 Baptists did.

An appeal to President Obama has been made by three Southern Baptist Convention leaders in behalf of the 10 Baptist volunteers currently being held in Haiti on kidnapping and criminal association charges.

The Feb. 5 letter asks the president "that you do everything within the authority of your office to secure a safe return home for these brothers and sisters in Christ as soon as possible."

The Baptist leaders affirmed "the diplomatic negotiations currently under way between your Administration and the Haitian government to resolve this matter … to bring about a solution that respects the rule of law, honors international agreements, and ensures the best possible care and full legal representation for these Baptist mission volunteers."

The letter was sent to President Obama by the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Executive Committee, Morris H. Chapman; the SBC's president, Johnny Hunt; and the SBC's immediate past president, Frank Page, who is a member of the president's Council on Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

"We have closely monitored news reports that these Baptist mission volunteers have been arrested, detained, and charged by the Haitian government on allegations of child kidnapping," the Baptist leaders wrote to the president. "It is our understanding that these mission volunteers were attempting to transport 33 Haitian children into the Dominican Republic for humanitarian purposes. We do not know all of the facts of this case, but we are concerned that the continued detainment and possible conviction of these Baptist mission volunteers will distract the world's attention and undermine the relief efforts so desperately needed by the Haitian people....

"It is possible that the Baptist mission volunteers currently detained in Haiti have acted with the noblest of intentions in a desperate situation to meet an immediate need. We pray that is the case."

Did the New York Times broadcast Amanda Knox's pleas for help from prison along with emotional photographs of her in a dark, dirty jail cell? Because they did with these ten Baptists.

The 10 Americans detained on kidnapping charges are pleading for the United States government to do more on their behalf and for the news media to focus on them less. “Help us,” one of the detainees, Carla Thompson, said Monday as she lay on a bed in a scorching Port-au-Prince jail cell of about 8 feet by 5 feet, her ankles bandaged from infected mosquito bites. “That’s the message I would give to Mr. Obama and the State Department. Start helping us.”

Sitting on a dirty concrete floor in the cell, another detainee, Corinna Lankford, nodded in agreement, a frustrated look on her face. “I have faith in God,” Ms. Lankford said. “But maybe the U.S. government could help a little more, too.”

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/02/09/world/09cnd-prisoners2/09cnd-prisoners2-articleLarge.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/02/10/world/10prisoners_CA0/10prisoners_CA0-popup.jpg

It's absolute mistake to make this all about Silsby and the not full 10 people and an absolute mistake to think these 10 Baptists didn't have people outside the government trying to intercede on their behalf. And if you think stories and photos like the NY Times Published don't have an affect on the Haitian government, not just the US government, I think you're mistaken.

As late as February 16, far from given special treatment, their lawyer was complaining he could barely meet with them.

And a lawyer for nine of the defendants, Aviol Fleurant, complained that Haitian police were restricting his visits to the Americans. "The lawyers are only being allowed in for three or five minutes," he said.

The Whole PizzagateNarrative of the Silsby case is completely exterior to how the case unfolded.

FeLpZ187 ago

Anyone else noticed the letters OtO are in the voat domain?

Commoner ago

Why do you think that is?

FeLpZ187 ago

Probably because the media has pulled the wool over all of you, and it would be very wise for you all to take a step back and see what is really going. mass psychosis.

Commoner ago

Don't you think the media has been pulling the wool over for decades? And before the internet and alternative sources, it was a fairly easy task for them. Or are you saying they everybody out there is part of the cabal?