cantsleepawink ago

I just came across this post. I've been concerned about the legitimacy of the Beyond Borders dot net organisation as well. If you go down to the street view on Google maps to look for it all one sees at this address is a Sri Lankan restautant Banana Leaf. Where exactly is Beyond Borders situated in that building ?

theblackblood ago

A post made elsewhere on v/pizzagate addressing how the Obama administration placed children with human traffickers may be of relevance to this. See below quote from the article in question:

"The Obama administration failed to protect thousands of Central American children who have flooded across the U.S. border since 2011, leaving them vulnerable to traffickers and to abuses at the hands of government-approved caretakers, a Senate investigation has found."

The article is focused on child trafficking for the purpose of labour, emphasizing young men taken from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and so on. Perhaps this is totally unrelated but perhaps not. Keep in mind the Clinton Foundation's dodgy behaviour in Haiti, Laura Silsby (a "government-approved caretaker") being apprehended attempting to traffick 33 children across the border in to the Dominican Republic to a "shelter" and lastly, Beyond Borders situated opposite Comet Ping Pong. An unusual trail of coincidences if coincidence they are.

EndThePizza ago

Whoa

I came across ECPAT a while ago. How big of an organization is this? If it's big enough, then it's not very strange, but if it's really small, then it's quite a coincidence.

After I made this post about their sponsors being hotels, I changed my mind and thought it must be innocent. However, if there's anything fishy going on with ECPAT then it becomes suspicious again.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1440019

I'll have to try to remember how I stumbled across it in the first place

theblackblood ago

The ECPAT itself appears to be quite large, with the representative NGO, Beyond Borders, being based seemingly in Canada however the branch that is opposite Comet Ping Pong is at a different URL and seems like a subsidiary branch or something suspect. It's quite hard to distinguish but as stated in my initial post it puts a heavy emphasis on Haiti which the wider organisation does not appear to. This strikes me as strange but may be nothing at all. Regarding the hotels, like you say it could be innocent but that does strike me as unusual. I'd not expect to see such a uniformity of sponsorship for an anti-child trafficking organisation, I'd expect to see a variety and I'd certainly not expect to see only hotels in particular. I'll look into this further and comment back with my thoughts once I've read your Polaris Project link.

theblackblood ago

Google search terms "Clinton Foundation hotels":

Clinton Foundation in Haiti:

  • Advancing Education in Haiti.
  • Caracol Industrial Park.
  • Caribbean Harvest.
  • Facilitating Private Sector Investment in Haiti.
  • Growing the Haitian Coffee Sector.
  • Marriott Hotel Project.
  • Powering Haiti with Clean Energy.
  • Supporting Haitian Artisans.

The Clinton Foundation funds Marriott in Haiti and in turn Marriott funds the ECPAT. These links could be totally innocent (see below comment about the "Does Your Hotel Know?" training scheme), but I dunno.

theblackblood ago

From an ECPAT page regarding victims of sex trafficking being exploited in hotels.

"Estimates state that 100,000 American children are victims of sex trafficking in the United States and 300,000 are at risk. Over 4,000 children just in NYC were found to be victims of sexual exploitation, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) received over 500,000 reports of sexual exploitation in 2013 alone.

Katrina Owens, survivor of trafficking and victim advocate, was exploited in prostitution the United States and in New York City beginning at the age of 16. She spoke about her experience of being taken to hotels, “Some of the top hotels they look at you and they know; its like when your eyes meet you know that something might not be right, ‘should I say something, should I not say anything, or should I just turn my head?’ And quite often, they turn their head.”"

Apparently:

Despite the number of victims, the hotel industry has been taking a stand. “We’ve made a lot of progress working with hotels in the United States. The travel industry has become really active because they know they can make a huge difference in the lives of victims,” says Michelle Guelbart, Director of Private Sector Engagement for ECPAT-USA. “With almost every training I lead, someone tells a story about how they have witnessed something on a hotel property. Our hope is that training to prevent and identify child sex trafficking becomes standard with the hospitality industry.”

My impression is that the hotels seem to be working with the ECPAT to help minimise trafficking via a training scheme called "Does Your Hotel Know?" as described in the above link. This would explain the number of hotels funding the organisation.

Nonetheless I feel like this is worthy of greater scrutiny and perhaps some emphasis on investigating major US hotels, especially the higher end establishments, would prove beneficial to pizzagate.

theblackblood ago

Again, could be spurious but it feels equally like there could be something in this. Click for source.

Haitians such as Andre, however, noticed that very little of this aid money actually got to poor people in Haiti. Some projects championed by the Clintons, such as the building of industrial parks and posh hotels, cost a great deal of money and offered scarce benefits to the truly needy.

[...]

Coincidentally the United States government paid Digicel $45 million to open a hotel in Port-au-Prince. Now perhaps it could be argued that Haitians could use a high-priced hotel to attract foreign investors and provide jobs for locals. Thus far, however, this particular hotel seems to employ only a few dozen locals, which hardly justifies the sizable investment that went into building it. Moreover, there are virtually no foreign investors; the rooms are mostly unoccupied; the ones that are taken seem mainly for the benefit of Digicel’s visiting teams.

MolochHunter ago

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1490216 new connection to your ECPAT concern

theblackblood ago

This link's just taking me to this thread. Can you try finding the correct link again?

21yearsofdigging ago

Many of these NGO's and orphanges are fake certainly have very nefarious operations. There was an NGO called Books With No Borders in Cambodia (sounds like Books Without Borders) that was bogus and shut down. It was listed as limited partnership. Sadly it is unfortunately true that many NGO orphanages are used for trafficking. Are they all corrupt, no, but many are. Curious if anyone can explain this link and why, although it had initially opened in 2004 was shut down and then reopened in 2015 only to shut down again in 2016 . https://www.aus61business.com/company/Books-With-No-Borders-Cambodia-Pty-Ltd

theblackblood ago

I've been looking into Beyond Borders [dot] net with this comment in mind as I would never want to assume the worst of an organisation claiming such noble purpose however I'm having a hard time determining heads from tails. Beyond Borders [dot] net over the road from Comet Ping Pong has a separate Board of Directors to that of Beyond Borders [dot] org and only one review on Global Giving that doesn't look legitimate. They have not received much in donations for either one of their causes. None of this demonstrates that they're not quite what they claim and it would be unfair to say they're not without ample evidence but it definitely seems a little strange.

BethesdaDC ago

Very intriguing indeed

reasonedandinformed ago

Others have made the observation you have...thanks for reminding...but i have not seen a deep dig into it. It is worthwhile. There are so many trails to follow here, but it is good to chime in on this as I have not seen much related to it, and I had similar questions.