Clearly Podesta was not talking about pizza.

The first point of your reasoning I actually would not agree with. I wish you had provided at least one or two example emails of instances when it was "clear" he was not talking about pizza. But for arguments sake let me assume that there are emails that mention pizza but clearly aren't about pizza.

The only email that sounds confusing to me is the map-related handkerchief one, however that email wasn't written by Podesta although it is directly addressing him. Actually if you search for the term "pizza" in emails sent by john podesta I only ever see him say the word once and that is in response to someone else who is talking about pizza. Maybe I'm not doing the search correctly. Can you provide one or two emails where you think it is clear he mentions pizza but it is clear he is not talking about pizza? Your final conclusion relies heavily on Podesta using the term pizza.

But are the other people in the email list talking about pizza or something else? As I said for me the handkerchief email is the most confusing one. Although I'm not at all convinced that this person is definitely not referring to pizza. I think the simplest answer and the conclusion most people would come to is that the handkerchief has graphics on it of a map (like this one) and that the map or the artwork on it has something to do with pizza. If this is not the explanation and they are referring to something else it could be any number of reasons for why it sounds confusing to us. 1. We have no other context besides the emails. People listening to you talk to your friends might seem confusing to outsiders because they are completely left out of shared references, inside jokes, short hand talk. 2. Auto-correct. 3. Distracted typing which might cause awkward sentence structure. There are any number of things that are far more probable before we got to coded language.

Take a look at this image from the sidebar summary. Although I don't know where it actually comes from it seems plausible that this could be from an actual dark web pedophile site. Look at how clear and obvious it is that they are not talking about pizza, the podesta emails do not sound at all like this. Although I'm definitely not an expert in this area I would think that the point of using coded language like this is to make it harder for police to investigate. If you came right out and said "we are selling child pornography" that would be extremely damning. But if you distributed only to people you knew and never explicitly said what it is your selling anyone investigating could not prove it was child porn you were selling. they would still be one step removed from proving that. It does not seem like this coded language is meant to be a perfect smoke screen, since that would be nearly impossible.

I think you could agree that even if you thought the Podesta emails were talking about a child sex ring, they clearly are not coordinating it through their dnc email. Keep in mind whenever you are talking about the emails that there are thousands upon thousands of emails spanning more than a decade.

Now we know that Alefantis, and many of Alefantis friends use pizza as a sexual reference.

Show me something from Alefantis himself where he is using pizza as a sexual reference.

"Use pizza as a sexual reference". Something that involves sex and pizza is not "using pizza as a sexual reference". I would think that the term "pizza" would have to be substituted for something sexual for you to be able to say that. Also common sense should apply here since these are people who work at a pizza shop.

I think it would be fair to assume, that if people he knows use pizza as a reference to sex, and he didn't mean something sexual that he would avoid using 'pizza'. Is that not a reasonable assumption?

I actually found it difficult to find actual conversations that mention pizza at all. Most mentions of pizza are in passing and could not possibly be talking about pedophilia. Some mentions ,like these (1 , 2 ,3 ) , are directly addressed to Podesta but I think we can agree aren't referring to anything but pizza. When they talk about actual pizza how do they not confuse the terms? But I don't know maybe these people aren't apart of it. How do you tell who is apart of it?

Your reasoning falls down on key points since 1. Podesta doesn't seem to talk about pizza. And 2. I've never seen alefantis use pizza to refer to anything other than pizza. IF alefantis used the word pizza to refer to sex and then Podesta also used pizza in the same way then THAT would be something to look into. The facts are that someone tagged comet to dirty pictures involving pizza and that someone emailing John Podesta used pizza in an odd way (1 email out of thousands). It is completely unreasonable to connect those things.

Alefantis should be seriously looked at and put on a sex offenders register for advertising the place as 'kid-friendly' and making that Heay Breathing show all ages, when they talked about sex with children, and got a great response from the crowd.

Not normal people

A theory I have about pizzagate is that the people who believe it are mostly from rural areas because if you lived in a city these are the kinds of things you would see every once in a while. The punk rock counter-cultural movement is something that is defined by going against the grain of what mainstream society would think is acceptable. The odd art, clothing styles, and the taboo topics they talk about are completely normal. This is a movement that is decades old so not just normal but actually mundane and almost downright quaint at this point. This movement was made to be shocking and to question the order of mainstream society, but the staples of the punk counter-culture movement are maybe 30-40 years old at this point. But maybe if you have never lived in a city this might be strange to you, and I don't mean that to sound condescending it just might be the case.

What I see when I watch the video of heavy breathing is the performer is just doing some crowd work talking to the audience in between songs and is joking around, kind of just riffing whatever comes to mind. She mentions there is a subway above them and the controversy with Jared Fogle (maybe it was around that time that it broke so it was somewhat topical) and then someone makes the comment from the audience that he likes little boys and then she makes the comment "we all have our preferences" as some dark humor.

Something I wish the pizzagate people would ask themselves is "do people behave that way?". If you were a part of a secret pedophile ring would you openly talk about pedophilia in a show that is open to the public? Is everyone in the audience a pedophile?

I think that the reasonable assumption almost everyone would make is that the performer is joking. Us americans don't really have a word for it but the English would say she's being "cheeky" when she jokes about pedophilia like that. Meaning that maybe she shouldn't joke in that way since it's a serious subject but everyone knows it's just for fun. The pizzagate interpretation of that interaction could be right. It could be that that is two pedophiles openly talking about pedophilia, but are people likely to behave that way? To talk about their crimes openly in the public? What does occams razor say in this situation? Which explanation is the simplest and requires the least assumptions?

Something else I wish pizzagate people would do is to use google. What is an all ages show? In the context of a punk rock show at night what does that mean? Here's a wikipedia page that mentions it. . The important part:

The term in this context does not denote a restriction on the thematic or lyrical content of the music.

Take a look at these all ages shows. In this context "all ages" is not synonymous with "kid friendly". It simply means that either there will be no alcohol served or if there is alcohol there will be some system to denote who is of age and who isn't.

I could go on and on here but I think I will call it quits for now with this post. But you make many more assumptions that I would question. You say:

the evidence is that these people have an unhealthy interest in children, and are obsessed with sex and pizza

and

run propaganda, and fund armies of trolls much like the Chinese Communist Party and almost destroyed the last illusions of the most important democracy in the world.

I would also question the assumptions that are implicit in your post. Does alefantis schedule the bands that play at comet? I know he owns a few businesses, maybe he wouldn't have time to do those kinds of things. Maybe comet has an event planner since it does bands and parties, that would be a full workload. Is the heavy breathing performance typical for comet or is it more of an outlier? Are those comments typical of Heavy Breathing or are they outliers? I would think that comments like that actually aren't outliers since they are a rock band but it is an important question to ask instead of assuming what they're like based on a few comments. If you took any venue that has bands play like Comet would it be fair to take the most taboo band that has played there and then extract the most taboo comments that were said and then make characterizations of the owner based on them? I assume that heavy breathing has played in many places, are they all suspect in your mind?

I think the dude was just trying to make the point that we can't use it as evidence and that this being some people's main argument is counter productive for us and would allow to someone to infer that our other conclusions include logical jumps of the sort.

You could've saved yourself some time if you would've just posted a fucking link instead of your feelings. Seriously, attacking a person and not the content of what they said? That's mainstream media tactics you're better than that if you're on here I hope

Prove it

Yo if you want to believe it then go ahead. I do. However, when presenting it to someone, even if they were fully prepared to research, when they can't find the code words they'll think it's bullshit and lead them to believe that there's more bullshit if it's confirmed by most people and they can't actually prove it. Seeing people argue for it is almost like seeing people try to convince someone god is real

Of course you could just bravely go into dark web and order some cheese pizza (child porn) you can buy it in lots of 10 -10000 slices. Make sure you get the hard core ones so you can see what is really happening to the missing kids. Or maybe you know that already. Why are you trying to stick up for CometPP?

pasta a code word for sex, or any sexual activity equal to or greater than a hand job or fingering. Yo did you hear that joe ate some pasta with kelly? He said that was the best pasta he had in a long ass time.

sex #pasta #good food #campolindo #masturbation

by thepersian1 January 07, 2012

p.s. I am very disappointed to see people posting that walnut is code for dark skinned people.

He's pointing out that there is no real evidence. Until ONE person can give proof, spreading this like fact is actually disinformation. Don't believe it just cause it fits your narrative. Sure it's damning, but it's not gonna hold up in a court of law so keep it in mind and move on.

I realize that but the fact that everyone on here seems to believe that these words are "known pedophile code words" is extremely irresponsible.

Look at the infographic and the summary and tell me that the code is being talked about as if it's just speculation. The infographic has the words with an equals sign to what they're supposed to mean but there is no evidence for any of those. Maybe leaving it at "appear to be code words" might be ok. But that list with the title "The Code" is ridiculous and irresponsible.

The summary is awful oto, just stating it outright that these are known code words.

I realize that there could be evidence for this code but that doesn't give anyone license to believe it and make accusations of pedophilia based on it.

quite a lot of shilling going on here. Follow the upvotes/downvotes on shill threads. It's opposite day!

Why do people keep pointing me to these documents. There are NO mentions of the code in there. Where does it say ANY OF THESE:

Pizza (girl?)

Pasta (boy?)

dominoes (bdsm?)

map ( semen)

walnut sauce (?)

hot dog (boy?)

cheese (girl?)

sauce (orgy?)

I have actually seen the MAP one defined as minor attracted person before but not semen. The "do you think I would do better at playing dominoes on cheese than pasta?" , is spoken about so much on here but is there evidence for ANY of those words being code words?

I maintain that it is totally irresponsible to be spreading this information as if it were fact with absolutely no citations. You say "additional sources" but what do you mean? You also commented on my other post in a nonchalant way about it but do you really believe that this is based in actual facts? Not 4chan or an urbandictionary post with two upvotes, but real evidence. And if there is why isn't it anywhere on the sidebar or in this forum?