The code words in the infographic and the summary in the sidebar state the code as if it were fact. The summary says at one point: " "Cheese" is a known pedophile codeword for little girls, whereas "pasta" is a known codeword for little boys" . This is echoed as a refrain all across this board that the emails contain "known pedophile code words", but there is NO evidence of this. If there is evidence of it I am willing to believe it but have never seen it. I think that it's a serious problem that everyone on this board seems to believe it when they clearly have never seen the evidence.
Just look at the cognitive dissonance in this conversation between me (JUNOAK) and whitehand. He first claims, and I think truly believes, that you can find citations for the code words with a simple search. But after asking him to show me specifically where he finally gives me instructions that leads to the FBI pedophile symbols, but this is obviously not what I asked for.
After that exchange I created this post asking for citations for the words. It got only a couple of upvotes and one downvote for some reason. No one was able to provide citations and even someone repeated the claim that it was easy to find. IAMWHOIAM provided some links, but they must not have read them because none of them showed an explanation for the code words and even had evidence against it. From the voat thread about the man claiming to be a pedophile he says:
Pizza being used for a little girl i've never heard it used in that context. Nor have I ever heard hotdog used in that context
Either the infographic and the summary in the sidebar need to be changed to remove "the code", or more appropriate language needs to be used to talk about it, or everyone on here needs to stop complaining about being called fake news. I thought that the fake news accusation wasn't exactly deserved despite being a skeptic, but if this remains it is an outright lie.
People are being accused of the most heinous crimes based on it and people really believe it on here. It's irresponsible to a group that claims to be "investigators".
EDIT: Look at the cognitive dissonance in this thread and tell me that pizzagate doesn't have a serious problem.
view the rest of the comments →
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
What is the evidence? So far the evidence is that these people have an unhealthy interest in children, and are obsessed with sex and pizza, and are among the most powerful people in the nation, and run propaganda, and fund armies of trolls much like the Chinese Communist Party and almost destroyed the last illusions of the most important democracy in the world. Alefantis should be seriously looked at and put on a sex offenders register for advertising the place as 'kid-friendly' and making that Heay Breathing show all ages, when they talked about sex with children, and got a great response from the crowd. They also talked about killing a baby, it was fucking grotesque. Not normal people, and certainly should never again be allowed within a hundred feet of a child, I'm sure you at least won't attempt to debate that, even if you'd like to.
JUNOAK ago
A theory I have about pizzagate is that the people who believe it are mostly from rural areas because if you lived in a city these are the kinds of things you would see every once in a while. The punk rock counter-cultural movement is something that is defined by going against the grain of what mainstream society would think is acceptable. The odd art, clothing styles, and the taboo topics they talk about are completely normal. This is a movement that is decades old so not just normal but actually mundane and almost downright quaint at this point. This movement was made to be shocking and to question the order of mainstream society, but the staples of the punk counter-culture movement are maybe 30-40 years old at this point. But maybe if you have never lived in a city this might be strange to you, and I don't mean that to sound condescending it just might be the case.
What I see when I watch the video of heavy breathing is the performer is just doing some crowd work talking to the audience in between songs and is joking around, kind of just riffing whatever comes to mind. She mentions there is a subway above them and the controversy with Jared Fogle (maybe it was around that time that it broke so it was somewhat topical) and then someone makes the comment from the audience that he likes little boys and then she makes the comment "we all have our preferences" as some dark humor.
Something I wish the pizzagate people would ask themselves is "do people behave that way?". If you were a part of a secret pedophile ring would you openly talk about pedophilia in a show that is open to the public? Is everyone in the audience a pedophile?
I think that the reasonable assumption almost everyone would make is that the performer is joking. Us americans don't really have a word for it but the English would say she's being "cheeky" when she jokes about pedophilia like that. Meaning that maybe she shouldn't joke in that way since it's a serious subject but everyone knows it's just for fun. The pizzagate interpretation of that interaction could be right. It could be that that is two pedophiles openly talking about pedophilia, but are people likely to behave that way? To talk about their crimes openly in the public? What does occams razor say in this situation? Which explanation is the simplest and requires the least assumptions?
Something else I wish pizzagate people would do is to use google. What is an all ages show? In the context of a punk rock show at night what does that mean? Here's a wikipedia page that mentions it. . The important part:
Take a look at these all ages shows. In this context "all ages" is not synonymous with "kid friendly". It simply means that either there will be no alcohol served or if there is alcohol there will be some system to denote who is of age and who isn't.
I could go on and on here but I think I will call it quits for now with this post. But you make many more assumptions that I would question. You say:
and
I would also question the assumptions that are implicit in your post. Does alefantis schedule the bands that play at comet? I know he owns a few businesses, maybe he wouldn't have time to do those kinds of things. Maybe comet has an event planner since it does bands and parties, that would be a full workload. Is the heavy breathing performance typical for comet or is it more of an outlier? Are those comments typical of Heavy Breathing or are they outliers? I would think that comments like that actually aren't outliers since they are a rock band but it is an important question to ask instead of assuming what they're like based on a few comments. If you took any venue that has bands play like Comet would it be fair to take the most taboo band that has played there and then extract the most taboo comments that were said and then make characterizations of the owner based on them? I assume that heavy breathing has played in many places, are they all suspect in your mind?
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
whatonearth ago
Dude, it has been explained to pizzagate so many times that the bands do not perform in front of children that at this point you guys are just straight up lying if you still claim the bands perform in front of children.
Comet is "kid friendly" in the sense that it is not like the other sit-down restaurants in that part of town which by and large are fancy grownup date-night sorts of places or booze-soaked happy hour joints. In that context people understand that Comet is basically saying "unlike the other places around here, the staff won't give you the stink-eye if you bring the family." It doesn't mean that Comet is strictly for kids like Chuck E. Cheese or whatever.
Anyway you've been told a million times that the music shows happen late at night after the kitchen closes and it's past little kids' bedtime, so quit lying about it already.
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
I'm not saying the crowd is full of children, but they are advertised as all-ages at a 'kid-friendly' restaurant and they are talking about sex with children. They should not be anywhere near children.