@reasonedandinformed - Calling you out as a CTR bot operator
@kingkongwaswrong
This sub is filled with CTR bots.
I have figured out how they work. It's not so easy to explain, feel free to ask questions, you might have to re-read this a few times before you can go "ahh haa". I will break it up into three parts.
First, I will present a very obvious example The thread in question can be seen here:
The actual post content is questionable, but that is another matter. I believe bots can attach to non-CTR posts as well, so the content of the OP does not matter so much for my case here. You can read my comments on the actual post content here (sort by 'bottom' and my comment is most downvoated, lol)
So... the CTR original poster - 'reasonedandinformed' (classic appeal to authority psyop) posts. Then presses "play" for a bot conversation to get comments up, and walks away.
Open this screencap now so you can follow my logic...
https://sli.mg/N3vPmY
Problem is in this instance, one of the comments at the start (Evidenceforthings) was complaining about an earlier comment (lawfag123) being downvoted, when the comment in question was not actually downvoted. Several legit human accounts (fireabend, onegin) noticed this and replied. @fireabend even posted a screencap here https://sli.mg/xjXUYj A glitch in the matrix was observed. I saw this myself a few hours after these other guys noticed.
And who comes along to explain the glitch? Not any of the alleged bot posters that the questioners where actually addressing, but the human supervisor account, the OP - reasonedandinformed. The explaination was that one of the 'bots' was not refering to a voat post, but one from reddit/self. Complete BS excuse.
Second: How the bots work
The CTR strategy is this; they have sets of prewritten 'conversations' between the bot accounts, a real person has to hit the 'play' button, and also monitor it for any non-bot activity that they can later respond to if needed. When the original post is from CTR, the conversation makes sense, it is related to the original post.
But when the OP is from a real person and CTR does not have a response written up already, they play something semi-related, probably find something from keywords or in line with one of their strategies (strategy examples: disinfo, racist violent redneck, conspiricy nutter, sexist men, bible basher etc.). This results in a post with entire threads of conversation only tentatively related to the OP. It looks strange. Here is an example; https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1476125 The post is about the CIA planning a coup on Donald Trump to cover up pizzagate. The top reply, and replies to that reply are about 'Jesus' and do not relate to the original post at all. Another glitch in the CTR bot matrix.
Third topic... The controlled overthrow of LegionWill
I have had my eye on LegionWill for some time. I started by simply calling this account out (where is your source.. etc), then eventually gathered a big list of BS he posted. CTR was watching and could see I was going to destroy him. In the back of my mind I thought they would 'throw him under the bus' in order to maintain credibility of their bot army.
I wrote up a well sourced post why LegionWill is a CTR shill, and posted it on one of his threads https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1473609/7142307 . Immediately, another account came in to support me https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1473609/7143128. I even replied to this saying how amazing the timing was, and that it makes it look like we are coordinating. This account was 'reasonedandinformed'. Reasonedandinformed was controlled opposition. They helped me by providing proof of a forged screenshot of kingkongwaswrong on reddit. They had the screenshot because they made the screenshot. All of a sudden it looked like the whole 'community' was on my side. Exactly what I was expecting from a controlled opposition bot army. So I made a new post here hinting at that, titled "LegionWill thrown under the bus by his own shill army" - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1474104
After LegionWill was gone, it was almost like he was still there. Posts on 'hot' had all the hallmarks of his postings. But the posts were now made under username 'reasonedandinformed'. They are just as poorly sourced rubbish as LegionWill was posting before, and upvoated like crazy.
In summary, I believe this sub is infested with bots. And the only way I think we can beat them is to figure out who the legitimate accounts are, not who the shills are, because there are far too many shills.
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Millennial_Falcon ago
@DuffBeer4Me
So your evidence against @reasonedandinformed is simply that an account commented complaining about a supportive comment being downvoted, which had not actually been downvoted? I can think of a couple other explanations for that. One, it could be a frame-up to create drama and distraction. Two, and more likely, it is definitely plausible the account complaining about downvoting was talking about other threads on the topic being downvoted. I just don't see any evidence here worthy of the accusation. Feel free to go through the user's history and try to find evidence, but for now, I'm flairing this "Accuracy in question."
Edit: Looked at @Evidenceforthings' account. Looks pretty human to me.
Edit 2: OK, it's been 3 hours and I still haven't received adequate evidence of bots or of reasonedandinformed's alleged shilling. As this could be a CTR tactic to create discord and distraction, I'm changing flair from "accuracy in question" to "debunked" until such times as real evidence is provided. @kingkongwaswrong
DuffBeer4Me ago
No, that is not the only thing. See my third point in OP.
reasonedandinformed magically produced proof (screencap) of legionwill framing kingkongwashere at the exact same time I called legionwill out with a pile of proof. It was a controlled effort to sacrifice legionwill to protect the ctr bot operation.
reasonedandinformed current posts look identical to what legionwill was posting. Massive upvoats. No real substance. Duplicated topics. Bot accounts replying. Huge upvotes and comment activity.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Isn't it possible another user was suspicious of LegionWill besides you? I had been suspicious of him myself.
Looked for myself. Doesn't seem that way. Can you explain an example of what you mean?
DuffBeer4Me ago
You wouldn't happen to be the mod who flaired this post "Breakthrough"?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1456741
I was watching this post and the slide post rising together. I know there is a compromised mod helping the bots bury the original post.
And you are replying to me like you have not even read what I posted. Like it is completely normal to say "oh why was that downvoted" in relation to a post on a totally different forum! What absolute bullshit!
Meanwhile bot posts on this very thread have been tampered with and fixed to look somewhat normal.
Coverup much.
Millennial_Falcon ago
I don't know if you're a shill or just trigger-happy, but you have provided no real evidence of shilling by the user you're accusing. You are attacking a user who makes a lot of submissions, yet you can't even point to a single submission as evidence of shilling? This makes me question why you're attacking this user.
@kingkongwaswrong
DuffBeer4Me ago
Simple test for @kingkongwaswrong
Lock out other mods, or just revoke permissions temporarily so they can't interfere. Don't tell mods when test will be run so they can't turn the bots off. Write some test posts. This will find the existence of hundreds of bots here. Refer to this post and the tests this guy has run. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1478927 The guy from this post can probably help.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Now you thinks MODS are running bots? What the hell are you basing this on?
DuffBeer4Me ago
I'm not saying mods are running bots.
I am saying this forum is infested with bots. An isolation test needs to be done. This means isolating mod influence and having a blind test at unannounced time, to be sure that a mod is not interfering.
There has already been interference with cleaning up of bot posts on this very thread, suggesting a compromised mod *edit.. or bot manager fixing bots gone crazy.
@SaneGoatiSwear found a bot without much searching, had a bizzare bot conversation here - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1478749/7173350
Read my original post. For anyone with half a brain there is enough proof there to warrant looking into it. @kingkongwaswrong
Millennial_Falcon ago
I had a discussion with same user (Iamyouandyouareme) today. I think he's just a little autism-y, maybe.
What interference? Are you accusing me again? You realize none of us asked to be mods, right?
SaneGoatiSwear ago
try some of the ways to confuse a bot on it. have fun!
hm? are you talking to me? no you're talking to duff ok.
DuffBeer4Me ago
Tell me this guy has autism too... One of the first posts on this thread which has nothing to do with the OP.
http://sli.mg/v4A8BJ
Millennial_Falcon ago
(1) Why did you crop out all context? Why not just post link to the comment in context?
(2) Definitely an oddly formatted comment, almost as if it was intentionally made by a sockpuppet as fake evidence for bots.
DuffBeer4Me ago
Here is the link to the comment - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1478569/7172373
It has since been edited. And had the fuck downvoted out of it so no one sees it.
Here is another screenshot, the file name reflects the time of capture in GMT. http://sli.mg/StBfBG
I crop screencaps out of habit for OpSec reasons.