I know this will be a controversial topic, but as you all know, we’ve been programmed since we were born to believe what we were taught in school. The media and entertainment industry continue to program us.
Us red pilled Patriots do not just believe what we’re told. We’re no longer blind sheep. We do our own research and spread the word. So why not do the same when it comes to the Holocaust?
For over 2 years now, many people on Voat have said that the Holocaust was a lie. I’ve been researching the subject and found an awesome website about it on https://8ch.net/qresearch. I was up late reading this last night, and I am convinced now that we were absolutely lied to. I’m not saying people didn’t die, but the whole story is very different than we’ve been taught to believe.
There are tons of pictures included. It’s a very interesting read no matter what your belief is regarding the Holocaust. So for those of you that are curious, here’s the link...
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
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Dragon40 ago
Utter bullshit.
Blacksmith21 ago
I love how these self-professed "historians" call all media propaganda now (which it largely is), yet don't consider the fact that most of this BS was propaganda then.
Crensch ago
Are you referring to the newspaper articles about 6 million before the war even happened?
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm referring to crap like this: https://files.catbox.moe/z3y3e4.png
It's Great Depression-era Daily Stormer crap. They had propaganda back then, just as they do now. Look at the history of this paper.
The Holocaust happened. Way too many first-person accounts to be a FF, statistically speaking.
It is the motives which are now in question.
We all know that the enemy we fight today is the 4th Reich. The Holocaust was a criminal act of persecution against the Jews for Deep State purposes perpetrated by the 3rd Reich.
History repeats itself. I
Crensch ago
https://imgoat.com/uploads/f3ef77ac0e/209193.jpg
Notice which of these your comment is missing?
Blacksmith21 ago
Notice what your response reeks of?
https://files.catbox.moe/9igih0.jpg
Crensch ago
Notice how none of that has any bearing on the argument, or who is arguing in good faith? Notice how none of that has any bearing on who has sources to support their position?
I noticed.
Blacksmith21 ago
Read some of D'Souza's works.
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Crensch ago
Read some of Hitler's, George Lincoln Rockwell's, and crack open a book on how to argue.
Blacksmith21 ago
You're glowing a bit, Crensch.
Crensch ago
You're really, really bad at this.
Blacksmith21 ago
No, you're really, really bad at this...you're nothing but a professional shitposter, at best: https://files.catbox.moe/c3zfx9.GIF
Crensch ago
Do you remember when I wrecked you so hard you deleted your own post?
I don't even shitpost all that much. Just because I don't really care to find the proper subverse for my posts doesn't make them shitposts, but I guess that's the best argument you can come up with.
You have always sounded more than a little like a Jew.
Blacksmith21 ago
Your life is so small that you actually tally "wrecking" someone online? Pretty pitiful.
Crensch ago
It's something you could never do. Meaning you're bad at this, and I am not.
Everyone else does, and I bet you're lying about that.
Blacksmith21 ago
Are you talking about the Schitt/Smollet thing?
Crensch ago
No.
Blacksmith21 ago
You sound like you are 14. And you have aligned yourself with the David Duke and Ilhan Omars of the world. You wrecked yourself, stud. You should get out in the sun a bit more.
Crensch ago
Imagine having someone you consider to be 14 wreck you so bad you self-delete your own post.
Blacksmith21 ago
Enjoy staying up until 0400 tomorrow pretending to be something you aren't online.
I bet you can't talk about a single man activity - motorcycles, guns, knives, cooking, shooting, construction, building shit, bourbon, etc. You're a little supple, pussy mouthed bitch who only has one mode - muh joos in muh basement.
Crensch ago
Kekekeke
What, exactly, am I pretending to be? Sounds like you really don't like the fact that you fail so hard here, while I do not. In fact, that's really the only metric anyone can use to compare the two of us, no?
I bet you can't formulate an argument with even an ounce of logos, and I bet you're a lard barge IRL.
Did I do it right?
Blacksmith21 ago
@srayzie can vouch for the fact that I'm about as far from a "lard barge IRL" as they come. In fact, I'm the type of man most women prefer - father, husband, MMA practitioner, prior military, combat experienced, badass vehicles and toys, and lots of discretionary income. Plus I'm still a handsome motherfucker. I'm confident you don't bring much to the table in the manliness department.
Looks like I was right - you stayed up until about 0400 shitposting. It's a sad life you lead @crensch. No IRL friends, nor IRL activities. While you are busy sleeping all morning, I'm modding another gun and prepping something from my motorcycle collection to go thrash on the back roads.
It's a gorgeous day outside. Peel yourself away from your Playstation and go get some vitamin D.
srayzie ago
You and @Crensch are both my friends. I wish you guys wouldn’t fight. Why don’t we just let it go. You guys are both awesome.
Vindicator ago
Yeah, I'm going to chime in agreement with srayzie, here @Blacksmith21 @Crensch. What we've got here is two cowboys having a pissing match. From my point of view, y'all work for the same ranch...so when you're done brawling about who is the bigger badass, maybe consider ending at the bar instead of with six shooters in the middle of the street?
Crensch ago
"I'm losing in this battle of wits, because I was born without any. Please look at these manly things that make me better than you. I win now."
I would lose sleep over having written sonething so pathetic. You basically admit that you know your mind is limited when you "argue" (kek) like this. It's no better than, "my dad can beat up your dad". It's worse, really, since you're obviously an adult, so there is no chance you will ever rise above the intllect level of "my irl is better than yours, so you lose this verbal argument."
Since you're too stupid to put the two together, what you're engaging in is a fallacy called ad hominem. You ignore my arguments and instead attack me personally.
Your mind is weak.
Blacksmith21 ago
"You ignore my arguments and instead attack me personally."
You avoided the initial point of debate, my friend, not I.
Crensch ago
I would never be the friend of someone that is so ill-equipped at thinking.
Also, maybe you should review this nest before accusing me of something so patently absurd. Every comment of mine up to your first ad hominem was directly about your words. You couldn't help but attempt to sound smarter by telling me to go read something.
How does it feel to fail so hard, and on so many different levels?
More attacking me directly? I'm sure that helps your position that the Holocaust really happened. Well, it helps in your mind.
You have got to be one of the most hilariously stupid people on this website.
Even when I point out directly what the problems with your arguments are, you press on with your failure as if you're a winner; hell, you can't even reference your own comments without failing.
Blacksmith21 ago
Thanks for the laugh, LOL. You haven't contributed jack shit to v/GA or v/PG in the 2.4 years I've been here. When you produce some relevant research to either sub, something based upon your keen intellect and the sharp mind you claim to possess, then I'll entertain a discussion. Until then, you're nothing but a shitposter/stirrer.
Lastly you shot down my suggestion to read D'Souza, and countered with reading Hitler and Rockwell. It's obvious you espouse Nazi ideology. All of the contemporary actors we work to expose are Nazis in both actions, deeds, tactics, methodology, etc. The only difference is your present-day Nazi party is now watered down with jungle bunnies, spics, sand niggers, gooks, and Jews. Turn on CNN - Deep State shills aka Nazi party propaganda arm. Which lands you square in the middle of what many of us fight here - The Deep State aka the 4th Reich.
IQ and intellect are meaningless without experience.
Protip: Proofread your writings out loud. You come across as a spoiled child.
Vindicator ago
Here is what I think about this topic: I think both of you are right.
As I understand it, @Crensch believes Jews are bent on subverting and ultimately eliminating white folks, using an insane campaign of lies and sneaky behind-the-scenes manipulation and control, the keystone of which is the Holocaust. He believes Hitler and the German people were made patsy's for the elite globalist Jewish cabal's crimes, when Hitler attempted to "make Germany great again." History's understanding of Hitler/Germany is shrouded in lies.
Crensch's conclusions are based at least on some unassailable facts, not on the disinfo that gets pushed here frequently by shills to muddy the waters about those facts. I knew very little about "the JQ" before coming to Voat, and my first exposure to it was trolls and/or shills hazing pizzagaters with the most extreme sketchy material, so I wasn't inclined to take it too seriously. It was, in fact, Crensch's particular type of honor and integrity, and his willingness to explain his views logically that made me seriously reconsider what I thought I knew.
Crensch, you should give Blacksmith those examples, rather than merely attacking him for doubting.
Blacksmith sees the ruling elite of the US and Europe as bearing marked similarities with the totalitarian, propaganda-pushing, eugenics-loving fascists of the Nazi era. As a result of this and mainstream history, he can't fathom how anyone could could embrace Hitler.
But where does the truth lie? How do we tease it out from all the BS disinfo that gets pushed surrounding this topic?
Back in November 2017, QAnon gave some hints about what the truth might actually be. One of these days, I mean to do a thread on it.
He hinted that both of you are correct to a degree. That elite globalists, particularly the Jewish banking house of Rothschild, were the ones behind World War I and II, not so much Hitler. He implied Hitler was a patsy to some extent, and that Merkel is related to him. Those drops need further research and discussion.
However, having contemplated this now for over a year and read much of Voat's talk on the JQ and Hitler, I would venture to say that you BOTH need to be prepared for shocking revelations. Blacksmith may discover that most of history is not what we thought it was. Crensch may be confirmed in his conclusions about the Jews, but find out Hitler was a puppet akin to Obama. (This is assuming Q (who either IS Trump or is working directly for him) was not pushing disinfo in those Merkel drops to force her to step down.)
Most importantly, Q has said that the truth about those who inflicted the World Wars on the citizens and honorable soldiers of the United States, Britain, Germany and every other white country is so foul the revelation of it "would put 90% of people in the hospital." That's how far off from reality our traditional understanding of history is.
I've spent the last year contemplating just what that must entail. I am now convinced that a lot of the Holocaust was an insane psyop. I don't know how much, or exactly which parts, but when you run the math on the 6 million gassed in death camps, it definitely doesn't hold up. I am also convinced they have used vaccines, drugs, crap in the water and food supply and maybe even electromagnetic radiation to cause disease, infertility, depression, and premature death for millions since World War I. They have done this to weaken the population for easier control, as well as to avoid overpopulation. I think they have targeted the white family in particular, and white men, who are the biggest threat to their ability to dominate. I think they regularly murder those who get traction against them, like Andrew Breitbart.
Now...I consider both of you major assets in the fight against these sick fuckers that goes on here in different ways every day on Voat. Seems kinda dumb for you to be fighting each other!
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srayzie ago
I think you’re probably right from what I know so far.
Crensch ago
"I don't like you, so I'm taking my ball, and I'm going home."
Kek.
That was a direct attack on me, not you addressing my words. Right there you're saying, "I don't have to listen to you because you didn't read this book and I am more knowledgeable than you and you just don't know what you're talking about."
Ducking my words by pretending to make a "suggestion". You're a coward.
Really? Do tell.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh holy fuck. Let's just not have words mean anything. NAZI =/= National Socialist, it means PEDOPHILES and DEEPSTATE.
But hey, maybe you have even an OUNCE of logos to back that claim up?
That's why I have nothing to do with that Jewish lie honeypot crap. But keep labeling me like a leftist would, you alcoholic faggot.
Do you want to know who else calls anyone they disagree with "Nazis"?
Want to write some more fanfic about me?
I have all three, you very obviously lack the first two; without them the latter is useless.
Protip: provide logos when arguing on Voat. Your words are Reddit-tier, and would only convince a leftist, which makes me think you might actually be one playing the long-con here as if you're just the village idiot, but still one of us.
Blacksmith21 ago
Yep, you're a shill. If I were playing the "long-con" I would have either:
A) A documented history of making posts exposing anything I can or;
B) A documented history of making bullshit comments in an effort to worm your way in to a v/PG mod position.
You may fool a lot, but you don't don't fool me. My instincts have yet to be wrong.
think- ago
@Blacksmith21, @Crensch isn't a shill. He really believes what he says.
I'm sure that there are Nazi shills on Voat, but @Crensch isn't one of them.
He didn't 'worm his way' to a PG mod position; it was him and @kevdude who defended v/pizzagate against the shill attacks after the sub had moved over here from Reddit.
He doesn't need to make submissions of his own, his role as an O is to defend v/pizzagate against outside attacks.
@srayzie @Vindicator
Crensch ago
You're probably too stupid to actually think anything through, but let's see how amusing your low-effort, one-facet response is, here.
Why would you do that? If you "expose" horseshit, you get exposed. If you actually expose shit, your handlers will have your head.
You have a documented history of posting barely-on-topic horseshit, and arguing like a leftist.
As of the past few comments you have a documented history of calling people you don't like "Nazis".
False dichotomy. I told you before:
You're bad at this.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, shit. Nobody gives a fuck about your instincts. Even if they did, everyone that is anyone around you would disagree. Weren't you one of those defending Oh-Well-Ian, or whateverthefuck his name was?
How does it feel to be on team ESOTERICshade today, BS21? You're in good company. That guy is WAY smarter than you are, so maybe you should ask him how to not be so hilariously clumsy with your words?
Blacksmith21 ago
The fact that you've spent so much of your free time dedicated to the Voat drama and shill BS tells me that you have nothing else to do but sit behind your computer all day/night. In fact, it's a fair statement to say Voat is your social life, isn't it, Crensch? Sad.
I know this little back and forth is making your Saturday night. You're probably rocking back and forth, sucking on some soda, rubbing your hands gleefully together as you relish a Pyrrhic victory with an anon online. Pat yourself on the back, son. You've earned it /s
I could give a rat's ass about your opinion and false/baseless allegations. My submission and comment history stands on it's own merits. I'll go back to my last point - what have you contributed to the fight? Nothing.
Crensch ago
Were you ever going to defend your position, or is attacking some internet stranger, about MORE things you can't defend your go-to strategy to feel better about yourself?
What's really delicious here is that you recognize it's a victory for me. Your snark is how you hide your shame.
Could you? That'd be quite the sight! And a little gross.
What allegations of mine are false?
The submission history where you deleted your own submission after being completely and utterly destroyed? I remember that.
@Vindicator @srayzie @shizy @MolochHunter @think-
This guy continues to blatantly lie about shit like this.
This is Fagsmith's first submission on NR, dated 9/21/18.
This is the FIRST submission to call him out, dated 9/13/18, by @mr_shamalama.
THIS is @srayzie's first submission on it, dated 9/15/18, and you can ask her, I messaged her about his bullshit before she'd even gotten to read it.
I found his COMMENT, 3 deep, under the top comment of that OP.
How fucked in the head do you have to be to claim this?
And you still cannot defend the Holocaust, apparently.
kneo24 ago
The amount of cop outs used to defame you is pretty obvious.
At some point a pattern becomes obvious.
What should really get everyone's goat is him overstating his importance in NR and the Reddit mods ordeal. He came in after everyone was already all hands on deck, looking into these people and outing them for the scum that they were. There were a few insights I had not considered that he pointed out, but at the end of the day they were small compared to the work everyone else had put in and ultimately not that relevant.
Antiracist10 ago
Ahahahaha! This coming from Crensch, the biggest fucking idiot here. Hey, remember that time you eschewed all philosophy? That's where you got your pretty words from, you dumb faggot.
@Blacksmith21, Crensch is quite the fucking stupid creature. I documented its stupidity for a long time. My conclusions were consistent: He is really really fucking stupid, and fuck him.
Check out some of my work:
https://voat.co/v/Theology/1548772
https://voat.co/v/Theology/1548766
https://voat.co/v/Theology/1406672
https://voat.co/v/Theology/1405146
https://voat.co/v/Theology/1391897
God, he's so fucking stupid. Yet he speaks of argument and logos to you! Hah!