Root of Corruption - Part 17: Waco Siege | Jonestown Massacre | Scientology (pizzagatewhatever)

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RoC: Index / ToC / Overview: Chapter 2

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ITT:

  • Looking into the Waco siege & Jonestown massacre.
  • Looking into political and Scientologist(et al) connections per the above, in the context of cult involvement in global corruption and 'terrorism'(manufactured and real).

Preface

In this thread I will be exploring both the Waco siege and the Jonestown massacre. On some level or another, each has elements of compound cults, child abuse and mass-death, along with strong political connections especially to Democrats, no less. Through the people connected to these events and the aftermath of each, I'll also be exploring potential cover-up attempts and links to Scientology and 'terrorism', etc.

I've recently touched on these topics and left hints as to what to expect in this thread, I won't spend much time rambling here in the preface, I'll do a couple of flashbacks to show the context of possible connections between the Waco siege, Scientology(et al) and other elements of the Root of Corruption(RoC) series:

[4. RoC - Annex: Addendum RE: #WHQOPSI: Jim Carrey: comment 7/9]:

Oh hell, let's see how far we can take this...

Shoutout to @dundundunnnnn: 32. Police Find Video of Larry Nassar Abusing Patient on Ex-Michigan State Deans Computer

^ my research comment: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2474336/12342261

google maps: "Twistars gymnastics club"; Gedderts' Twistars USA Gymnastics Club, Dimondale, MI (Sute?)

google maps: "Scientology in Michigan"; 2 hits, compare with above

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google maps: "The Karolyi Ranch in Texas"; Bela Karolyi's Ranch, Hunstville, TX I mean it, buckle up. (Greg, hold my beer, it gets sooo much better)

google maps: ^ Zoom out, note marked areas, see below.

From top, left to right:

La Frontera: v/pizzagatewhatever: Root of Corruption - Annex: Murderwood; "Illuminate adoration ov murder"; Ed Gein, Ed Kemper (+?); "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"; La Frontera

Addendum to La Frontera/Texas Chainsaw Massacre/Ed Gein topic: Apparently I had not yet(or had removed) explicitly pointed this out

wiki: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974 film)

Production

Development

The concept for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre arose in the early 1970s while Tobe Hooper was working as an assistant film director at the University of Texas at Austin and as a documentary cameraman.[3] He had already developed a story involving the elements of isolation, the woods, and darkness.[4] He credited the graphic coverage of violence by San Antonio news outlets as one inspiration for the film[5] and based elements of the plot on serial killer Ed Gein in 1950s Wisconsin;[6] Gein inspired other horror films such as Psycho (1960) and The Silence of the Lambs (1991).[7][8][9][10] During development, Hooper used the working titles of Headcheese and Leatherface.[11][12]~~

~~##Filming

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The farmhouse used for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was moved from La Frontera to Kingsland, Texas, and restored as a restaurant.[26]

The primary filming location was an early 1900s farmhouse located on Quick Hill Road near Round Rock, Texas, where the La Frontera development is now located.[26]~~

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[5. Root of Corruption - Annex: Amin | Weinstein | Bay | Masterson | Scientology | Sep 11 | Black September]: comment 8/9:

[45]:

Emphasis my own.

State assembly and Congressional tenure

~~As a member of the House Judiciary Committee, Schumer was one of four congressional members who oversaw the House investigation (leading the Democratic defense of the Clinton administration),[21] of the Waco siege hearings in 1995.[22]

[6. [5: ref 45]: wiki: Chuck Schumer]

I know, the above is a bit messy. I'll put it in a better context later.

Starting with the Waco siege

[7. wiki: Waco siege]:

The Waco siege was the siege of a compound belonging to the Branch Davidians, carried out by American federal and Texas state law enforcement, as well as the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993.[4] The Branch Davidians were led by David Koresh and were headquartered at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Axtell, Texas,[5][6][7] 13 miles (21 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the ATF obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and a select few of the group's members.

The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four government agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege lasting 51 days was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out of the ranch. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center. In total, 76 people died,[8][9] including David Koresh.

Much dispute remains as to the actual events of the siege. A particular controversy ensued over the origin of the fire; an internal Justice Department investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members had started the fire. The events near Waco, and the siege at Ruby Ridge less than twelve months earlier, were both cited as the primary motivations behind the Oklahoma City bombing that took place exactly two years later.

[8. wiki: Branch Davidians]:

The Branch Davidians (also known as The Branch) are a religious group that originated in 1955 from a schism among the Shepherd's Rod/Davidians. The Branch group was initially led by Benjamin Roden. Branch Davidians are most associated with the Waco siege of 1993, which involved David Koresh.

The doctrinal beliefs of the Branch Davidians differ on teachings such as the Holy Spirit and his nature, and the feast days and their requirements. Both groups have disputed the relevance of the other's spiritual authority based on the proceedings following Victor Houteff's death. From its inception in 1930, the Davidians/Shepherd's Rod group believed themselves to be living in a time when Biblical prophecies of a final divine judgment were coming to pass as a prelude to Christ's Second Coming.

In the late 1980s, Koresh and his followers abandoned many Branch Davidian teachings. Koresh became the group's self-proclaimed final prophet. "Koreshians" were the majority resulting from the schism among the Branch Davidians, but some of the Branch Davidians did not join Koresh's group and instead gathered around George Roden or became independent. Following a series of violent shootouts between Roden's and Koresh's group, the Mount Carmel compound was eventually taken over by the "Koreshians". In 1993, the ATF and Texas National Guard raided one of the properties belonging to a new religious movement centered around David Koresh that evolved from the Branch Davidians for suspected weapons violations. While climbing a ladder, an officer accidentally shot himself in the leg, which began a two-hour firefight in which four ATF agents were killed; this was followed by a standoff with the FBI that lasted for 51 days. The siege ended with a raid that resulted in the deaths of Koresh and 82 of his followers.[2][3]

[9. wiki: David Koresh]

David Koresh (born Vernon Wayne Howell; August 17, 1959 – April 19, 1993) was the American leader of the Branch Davidians sect, believing himself to be its final prophet.~~

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[16. [6: ref 22 | archived]: https://archive.is/g0vw3]:

House Investigators Visit Texas To Prepare for Waco Hearings

Published: June 28, 1995

A bipartisan delegation of six House staff members completed a field trip to Texas today in preparation for hearings next month into the two Federal raids on the Branch Davidian sect's compound there in 1993.

The hearings, originally set for the week of July 11, have been pushed back a week, in part because of scheduling conflicts with other House business but also to allow for additional fact-finding.

In Austin on Monday, the team of Congressional staff examined a storehouse of weapons that Federal agents retrieved from the Branch Davidian compound after the second raid there led to a fire that killed some 80 memers of the sect. The weapons, which are being held as evidence until appeals are exhausted in cases resulting from the 51-day standoff between the Davidians and Government agents, include 368 guns and 5 live hand grenades, according to Capt. David Byrnes of the Texas Rangers.

Today the Congressional team visited the compound itself, near Waco.

 

The Congressional staff members are from the offices of Representatives Bill Zeliff of New Hampshire and Bill McCollum of Florida, the two Republicans who will be overseeing the hearings, and Representatives Charles E. Schumer of New York and Karen L. Thurman of Florida, both Democrats.

Some Democrats have criticized plans for the hearings. "It's a shame they're using such a huge amount of resources to appeal to a narrow, paranoid, rather fringe group of Americans who think Waco was a conspiracy," said Mr. Schumer, who has been calling instead for hearings into right-wing paramilitary groups. "They are just throwing a bone to the right wing."

One focal point of the hearings will be the role of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, which led the initial raid, a failed operation that touched off the long and ultimately deadly siege of the compound.

A.T.F. agents may also come under further scrutiny from a House Appropriations subcommittee that has asked the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to look into accusations that the agency has harassed gun dealers during inspections and licensing procedures.

  • Keep in mind that the Rodriguez article([15]) was published on July 25, 1995; sits here chronologically.

[17. [6: ref 21 | archived]: https://archive.is/9ZXUu]:

Emphasis my own.

In Waco Hearings, Parties Undergo a Role Reversal

Published: August 03, 1995

As the House prepared for high-visibility committee hearings on the 1993 standoff at the Branch Davidian compound in Texas, the Democrats complained that the Republican majority had stacked the witness list to portray the Clinton Administration in the worst possible light.

The Republicans placated the Democrats by telling them they could choose one witness for the hearing's early days. They chose Kiri Jewell.

Kiri, a 14-year-old girl, had little to say about how wisely law-enforcement officials behaved during their assault on the compound of the outside Waco, the ostensible subject of the hearings, which ended on Tuesday. But her graphic testimony of how she was sexually abused by David Koresh, the Branch Davidian leader, enabled the Democrats to shift attention to him.

In the larger political context in which the hearings occurred, the Kiri Jewell testimony was one way the Democrats prevented the Republicans from gaining much traction in their efforts to use the hearings to embarrass the Administration.

By the end of the 10 days of testimony, Representative Bill Zeliff, the New Hampshire Republican who led the offensive against the Administration was complaining in frustration that he was not "a Harvard-educated lawyer." On the other hand, Representative Charles E. Schumer of Brooklyn, who oversaw ran the Democratic strategy, received a congratulatory telephone call from President Clinton.

 

The Republicans also became targets for criticism after disclosures that they had relied on the National Rifle Association for help in preparing for the hearings. The association viewed the hearings as a way to damage the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the agency responsible for enforcing Federal gun laws and the initial February 1993 raid that led to the 51-day siege.

"The problem for the Republicans was in their conception of the hearings," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. "To accomplish what they wanted, they had to make David Koresh a somewhat sympathetic figure."

They also found themselves in the uncomfortable stance of criticizing officials at the firearms agency and the F.B.I., leaving to the Democrats the the more politically delectable position of standing up for law-enforcement officers facing dangerous armed cultists.

On several occasions in the hearings, Representative Howard Coble, Republican of North Carolina, grew red-faced and spluttered with anger that he and his party were being unfairly portrayed as critics of the brave men and women in law enforcement. Representative Bill McCollum, a Florida Republican who was co-chairman of the hearings, felt obliged to note that the Republican members of the committee included people who has been a police officer, a police chief, district attorneys or Federal prosecutors.

All of that emphasizes that such hearings are about theater and image and often, as was the case here, produce little new information.

The most dramatic moments at the hearing were about facts that were already fully public, particularly the much-criticized decision of field commanders from the firearms agency to proceed with the initial raid even though they had been informed that they had lost the element of surprise. A report by the Treasury Department on the disastrous raid in which four firearms officers were killed had already blamed Philip Chojnacki and Chuck Sarabyn, the two field commanders, for failing to heed the information from an undercover agent that the Davidians had learned of the raid 45 minutes before it was to take place.

^ Notes:

  • It is worth noting that testimonies have been challenged on the grounds of the questionable nature of conduct by investigators and authorities/persons related to the situation. I will cover that ahead.
  • I wonder, though, why & how the Democrats spun Kiri's testimony to help the Clinton administration in the face of Republican criticism...
  • Did Bill Clinton congratulate Chuck Schumer, for pulling off a successful "hide in plain sight" play? Possibly...
  • Interesting role-reversal indeed, with Democrats "standing up for law-enforcement officers facing dangerous armed cultists", compared with at least the current way of things. Undertones of the gun-laws debate also present. Typical political fodder for these types of situations.
  • The hearing produced little new information, yet, Bill Clinton gushed over Chuck Schumer's spin - despite testimony from Robert Rodriguez(explored in [15])

[18. wiki: Bill McCollum]

[19. wiki: Bill Zeliff]

[20. wiki: Howard Coble]

[21. wiki: Karen Thurman]

I'll skip to something which stands out about 2 of the Waco comittee members:

On the running subject/theme of Schumer & Clinton(admn) in Waco, "hide in plain sight", "play both sides" & George Soros/NXIVM/Scientology/etc...

Both Bill Zeliff(R) and Karen Thurman(D) are members of Reformers Caucus of Issue One.[19][21]

[22. wiki: Issue One]:

Issue One is an American nonpartisan, nonprofit organization which seeks to reduce the role of money in politics.[4][5] It aims to increase public awareness of what it views as problems within the present campaign finance system, and to reduce the influence of money in politics through enactment of campaign finance reform.

History

Issue One was formed through the merger of two campaign finance reform organizations: Americans for Campaign Reform and Fund for the Republic.[1]

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Fund for the Republic

Fund for the Republic (FFR) was a group formed in late 2012 with the goal of removing the influence of big money in American politics.[8] In 2013, Fund for the Republic co-hosted an event with Democracy Alliance in which it pitched 110 donors on investing in a $40 million plan to combat dark money in American politics. Donors to the Fund for the Republic included Democracy Alliance members Jonathan Soros and the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation.[8][9] That same year, FFR's affiliated (c)(4) announced plans to fund groups working to defeat politicians who oppose campaign finance reform, while supporting groups backing finance reform politicians.[10]

Activities

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ReFormers Caucus

In 2015, Issue One launched its ReFormers Caucus,[2][16] a "group of former members of Congress, Cabinet officials and governors from both parties committed to restoring trust in our democratic institutions" which, as of March 2018, had 192 members. Members of the ReFormers Caucus include former Secretaries of Defense Chuck Hagel and Leon Panetta, and former vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale.

The ReFormers Caucus has proposed increasing civil participation, passing laws that define and regulate the role of money in federal elections and "boosting small donations to campaigns, finding ways to restrict political contributions from lobbyists and unmasking secret contributions made to tax-exempt groups that are active in politics."[2][16]

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