Root of Corruption - Part 17: Waco Siege | Jonestown Massacre | Scientology (pizzagatewhatever)

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RoC: Index / ToC / Overview: Chapter 2

Previous:

ITT:

  • Looking into the Waco siege & Jonestown massacre.
  • Looking into political and Scientologist(et al) connections per the above, in the context of cult involvement in global corruption and 'terrorism'(manufactured and real).

Preface

In this thread I will be exploring both the Waco siege and the Jonestown massacre. On some level or another, each has elements of compound cults, child abuse and mass-death, along with strong political connections especially to Democrats, no less. Through the people connected to these events and the aftermath of each, I'll also be exploring potential cover-up attempts and links to Scientology and 'terrorism', etc.

I've recently touched on these topics and left hints as to what to expect in this thread, I won't spend much time rambling here in the preface, I'll do a couple of flashbacks to show the context of possible connections between the Waco siege, Scientology(et al) and other elements of the Root of Corruption(RoC) series:

[4. RoC - Annex: Addendum RE: #WHQOPSI: Jim Carrey: comment 7/9]:

Oh hell, let's see how far we can take this...

Shoutout to @dundundunnnnn: 32. Police Find Video of Larry Nassar Abusing Patient on Ex-Michigan State Deans Computer

^ my research comment: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2474336/12342261

google maps: "Twistars gymnastics club"; Gedderts' Twistars USA Gymnastics Club, Dimondale, MI (Sute?)

google maps: "Scientology in Michigan"; 2 hits, compare with above

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google maps: "The Karolyi Ranch in Texas"; Bela Karolyi's Ranch, Hunstville, TX I mean it, buckle up. (Greg, hold my beer, it gets sooo much better)

google maps: ^ Zoom out, note marked areas, see below.

From top, left to right:

La Frontera: v/pizzagatewhatever: Root of Corruption - Annex: Murderwood; "Illuminate adoration ov murder"; Ed Gein, Ed Kemper (+?); "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"; La Frontera

Addendum to La Frontera/Texas Chainsaw Massacre/Ed Gein topic: Apparently I had not yet(or had removed) explicitly pointed this out

wiki: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974 film)

Production

Development

The concept for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre arose in the early 1970s while Tobe Hooper was working as an assistant film director at the University of Texas at Austin and as a documentary cameraman.[3] He had already developed a story involving the elements of isolation, the woods, and darkness.[4] He credited the graphic coverage of violence by San Antonio news outlets as one inspiration for the film[5] and based elements of the plot on serial killer Ed Gein in 1950s Wisconsin;[6] Gein inspired other horror films such as Psycho (1960) and The Silence of the Lambs (1991).[7][8][9][10] During development, Hooper used the working titles of Headcheese and Leatherface.[11][12]~~

~~##Filming

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The farmhouse used for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was moved from La Frontera to Kingsland, Texas, and restored as a restaurant.[26]

The primary filming location was an early 1900s farmhouse located on Quick Hill Road near Round Rock, Texas, where the La Frontera development is now located.[26]~~

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[5. Root of Corruption - Annex: Amin | Weinstein | Bay | Masterson | Scientology | Sep 11 | Black September]: comment 8/9:

[45]:

Emphasis my own.

State assembly and Congressional tenure

~~As a member of the House Judiciary Committee, Schumer was one of four congressional members who oversaw the House investigation (leading the Democratic defense of the Clinton administration),[21] of the Waco siege hearings in 1995.[22]

[6. [5: ref 45]: wiki: Chuck Schumer]

I know, the above is a bit messy. I'll put it in a better context later.

Starting with the Waco siege

[7. wiki: Waco siege]:

The Waco siege was the siege of a compound belonging to the Branch Davidians, carried out by American federal and Texas state law enforcement, as well as the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993.[4] The Branch Davidians were led by David Koresh and were headquartered at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Axtell, Texas,[5][6][7] 13 miles (21 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the ATF obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and a select few of the group's members.

The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four government agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege lasting 51 days was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out of the ranch. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center. In total, 76 people died,[8][9] including David Koresh.

Much dispute remains as to the actual events of the siege. A particular controversy ensued over the origin of the fire; an internal Justice Department investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members had started the fire. The events near Waco, and the siege at Ruby Ridge less than twelve months earlier, were both cited as the primary motivations behind the Oklahoma City bombing that took place exactly two years later.

[8. wiki: Branch Davidians]:

The Branch Davidians (also known as The Branch) are a religious group that originated in 1955 from a schism among the Shepherd's Rod/Davidians. The Branch group was initially led by Benjamin Roden. Branch Davidians are most associated with the Waco siege of 1993, which involved David Koresh.

The doctrinal beliefs of the Branch Davidians differ on teachings such as the Holy Spirit and his nature, and the feast days and their requirements. Both groups have disputed the relevance of the other's spiritual authority based on the proceedings following Victor Houteff's death. From its inception in 1930, the Davidians/Shepherd's Rod group believed themselves to be living in a time when Biblical prophecies of a final divine judgment were coming to pass as a prelude to Christ's Second Coming.

In the late 1980s, Koresh and his followers abandoned many Branch Davidian teachings. Koresh became the group's self-proclaimed final prophet. "Koreshians" were the majority resulting from the schism among the Branch Davidians, but some of the Branch Davidians did not join Koresh's group and instead gathered around George Roden or became independent. Following a series of violent shootouts between Roden's and Koresh's group, the Mount Carmel compound was eventually taken over by the "Koreshians". In 1993, the ATF and Texas National Guard raided one of the properties belonging to a new religious movement centered around David Koresh that evolved from the Branch Davidians for suspected weapons violations. While climbing a ladder, an officer accidentally shot himself in the leg, which began a two-hour firefight in which four ATF agents were killed; this was followed by a standoff with the FBI that lasted for 51 days. The siege ended with a raid that resulted in the deaths of Koresh and 82 of his followers.[2][3]

[9. wiki: David Koresh]

David Koresh (born Vernon Wayne Howell; August 17, 1959 – April 19, 1993) was the American leader of the Branch Davidians sect, believing himself to be its final prophet.~~

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With the previous in mind, I want to take a closer look at the Waco investigation and people involved.

Let's start with the theory that Koresh was engaging in sexual abuse of minors at the compound:

  • It is known that Koresh admitted to taking child brides in the compound, as expressed in his video cmommunique(s) recorded during the siege and used to communicate with authorities at the time.
  • It is known that the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms(BATF) had an informant within the compound for sometime prior to the siege; Robert Rodriguez.
  • It is fair to infer that Robert Rodriguez would likely be privy to sexual activity between adults and minors in the compound, if indeed such things were happening.
  • It is known that the element of surprise was blown in the hours leading up to the intial raid attempt at Mt Carmel Center, Koresh having been tipped off and communicating his foreknowledge directly to Robert Rodriguez.

The following article RE: Robert Rodriguez, caught my attention.

[15. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/25/us/agent-says-his-warnings-over-waco-were-ignored.html | https://archive.is/xYKQY]:

A version of this article appears in print on July 25, 1995, on Page A00001 of the National edition with the headline: Agent Says His Warnings Over Waco Were Ignored.

Agent Says His Warnings Over Waco Were Ignored

A Federal undercover officer who infiltrated the Branch Davidian compound testified today that his superiors ignored his warnings that the sect's leader knew Government agents were about to arrest him. Once the agents went ahead with the raid, he said, the deaths of all the sect's members -- and some agents -- were foreordained.

Robert Rodriguez of the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms told two House subcommittees investigating the two botched Federal raids on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex., that the leader, David Koresh, vowed that "neither the A.T.F. nor the National Guard will ever get me."

"He turns to me and says: 'They're coming, Robert. The time has come,' " the agent said. "I knew for sure that he knew." And that meant a Federal raid would fulfill the self-styled messiah's vision of Armageddon, he said. The agent fled the compound only an hour before the raid took place to warn his superiors that they were walking into an ambush.

What happened during the next hour involves a fusillade of cover-up charges that reached the highest levels of the firearms agency. The charges were resolved, or so the Clinton Administration thought, by a 500-page Treasury Department report nearly two years ago. But they were revived today by Republicans on the Waco panel, relying largely on testimony from three top A.T.F. officers who lost their jobs as a consequence of the report's findings.

For those unaware, David Koresh became aware of the impending raid after a reporter haphazardly(?) asked a passing postman for directions to the compound while driving around the area. The postal worker happened to be Koresh's brother-in-law, who relayed a warning back to David.[7]

[7]:

February 28

The ATF attempted to execute their search warrant on Sunday morning, February 28, 1993. Any advantage of surprise was lost when a KWTX-TV reporter who had been tipped off about the raid asked for directions from a U.S. Postal Service mail carrier who was coincidentally Koresh's brother-in-law.[22]~

Reading on...

[15]:

Mr. Rodriguez, who is still with the agency and whose account was contained in the report, infiltrated the Branch Davidians posing as a trade-school student named Robert Garcia. He visited the compound eight times in the months before the raid, listened to Mr. Koresh's endless preaching and, more than any other outsider, came to know the sect leader's theology.

Pause again for a moment.

So Robert only visited the compound 8 times and although came to understand Koresh's musings well, still was considered an outsider and may very well have been unaware of child-sexual-abuse occurring in his absence.

Reading on...

Mr. Koresh believed himself to be, among other things, divinely ordained to live out the depiction of the end of the world in the Book of Revelations. He saw himself as the warrior astride a red horse in Revelations, one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, who is given a sword in order "to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another."

A breach in the agency's security gave Mr. Koresh an hour's warning that a raid was imminent on Feb. 28, 1993. Mr. Rodriguez rushed from the compound and called his commander, Chuck Sarabyn, who sat at the other end of the witness table today.

"They know, Chuck, they know," he said he reported in a highly agitated voice. "They know we're coming."

But Mr. Sarabyn and another senior agency official, Phillip Chojnacki, testified today that the warning was too vague to call off the raid; Mr. Koresh always thought the Government was coming to get him, they said. "We didn't know if he meant in the physical sense or the metaphysical sense" on that day, with minutes to go before the raid, Mr. Chojnacki testified.

Both men were dismissed last year after the lengthy Treasury Department report said they had lied about what happened at that moment of decision and tried to blame Mr. Rodriguez for the fiasco. Both were reinstated two months later at desk jobs, stripped on their guns and law-enforcement powers.

"These two men know what I told them," Mr. Rodriguez testified, as Mr. Sarabyn's face turned from white to pink to red and Mr. Chojnacki stared impassively. "They knew exactly what I meant. They lied to the public, and in doing so they just about destroyed a great agency.

"There's no question in my mind that they got the message. I told them what happened inside the compound. I advised them that they knew we were coming, that Koresh knew. I'll remember that, as long as I live, I'll remember those words."

The two officers who were dismissed and reinstated by the firearms agency said a report on the case by a Treasury Department official was filled with scapegoating lies, including accusations that Mr. Sarabyn lied repeatedly to investigators after the shootout. They disputed the report's contention that that senior Treasury officials who oversaw the firearms agency warned field commanders to call off the raid if the element of surprise was lost.

A third officer, Dan Hartnett, who retired as the agency's director for enforcement rather than challenge the report's criticism of his conduct, also criticized the Treasury's report.

Under leading questioning by House Republicans, Mr. Hartnett testified that the secret villain of Waco was a principal author and editor of the scathing report, the assistant Treasury Secretary for enforcement, Ronald K. Noble, a former Federal prosecutor who had not even been sworn into office at the time of the raid. Mr. Hartnett argued that the report itself was a cover-up,

Mr. Noble bluntly rebutted that argument today and rebuffed Republicans who questioned his honesty and judgment by pointing to the report itself.

He pointed out that the only officers who criticized the report were those who were criticized by it and disciplined. He said the report, bluntly and at times brutally critical of top firearms agency officials and Treasury Department procedures, was crucial in Government attempts to restore faith in Federal law-enforcement after Waco. A 51-day siege followed the initial raid in February 1993; the standoff ended after F.B.I. agents used tear gas to attack the compound, which erupted in flames. All the available evidence suggests that the fire was set at Mr. Koresh's orders. About 80 Davidians died.

Many Americans, particularly some affiliated with right-wing paramilitary groups, see Waco as a symbol of Federal tyranny. Representative Bill McCollum, a Florida Republican and co-chairman of the Waco inquiry, said today he would also hold hearings on the paramilitary movement this fall.

John Magaw, the firearms agency director installed after Waco, said structural and procedural changes after the Treasury Department report went a fair distance toward restoring the public reputation of Federal law enforcement. Still, he said, "The fact remains that there has been a critical loss of public confidence in A.T.F."

To rebuild that confidence, he said, he is continuing to make the changes that the report recommended, including making careful contingency plans for potentially dangerous raids, "so that the momentum of going forward does not take control over rational decision-making."

The testimony today suggested that was clearly what happened at the first raid on Waco. Mr. Rodriguez in particular made in plain that the firearms agency played right into the hands of Mr. Koresh, who saw himself as a messenger of God, sent as an avatar to vindicate the faithful and destroy their earthly oppressors.

So, to reiterate(mostly on the grounds of pizzagate relevance), it is entirely possible that Koresh was sexually active with minors, without Robert Rodriguez being aware.

Also noteworthy here, if it was not already known, is Robert's clear warning that the secrecy of the impending raid was compromised.

Remember Chuck Schumer being involved with the 1995 investigation?

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