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quantokitty ago

I think you've made excellent points. I do think the quality of the posts has declined due to the hard investigative type of post disappearing. Either videos with journalists rehashing what's already been said are posted, or straight up news stories with no commentary. While both of those are completely valid and part of pizzagate, it was the investigative style that uncovered all the evidence.

While that's one variable that's leading to the decline, the other is: shills and shill posts. Not sure what can be done about this other than voating up the valid posts, downvoating shit, and not making comments in it either. If you make a negative comment, it's still treated as activity in that thread so please don't do it.

But I really think the heart of the problem is pizzagaters getting back to solid investigative posts. Uncover new evidence. When you do, I notice that it's quickly spread amongst the entire community and that's when the active users jump. But for a news headline? Well, unless it's news nobody heard of, or a breaking story, people can pretty well get that from any news source, so let's get back to the hard core investigation of the key players: Alefantis and his friends, the Pedostas, throw the kids into the pool Luzzatto, the Cannibal Queen, and all the pervs in Pedo/RapeyWood.

I've been entirely guilty of posting the quickie threads because of the time element. I started to work on a couple of things (and Dear Lord please let me have saved all the links I found), but it takes hours to compile and write a comprehensive overview of what point you're trying to make. But even with my sporadic forays into the dark world of this revolting story, there is so much we haven't uncovered.

Maybe it would be good if we teamed up. That idea was presented a while back, but I haven't seen it done. I was hoping for some of the excellent investigators that I know hang out here to really dig into one subject and go at it from all angles. I would love to see that done, but even if it isn't, please let's get back to what made this story compelling and investigate the core of this rotten apple. Don't get thrown off by people telling us that we need to be going to Belgium to find anything. On the contrary, what we find here, in the dirty little center of the soul-less beings haunting the corridors of power, will lead us to where we need to go and not the reverse.

ThePuppetShow ago

If you say nothing in the shill threads, they will keep posting ridiculous comments and upvoting everything in them before linking them elsewhere like that's what we're discussing here. I pointed this out a month ago before I left for a bit. This is their game, they're framing the narrative.

quantokitty ago

I believe if no one posts, they drop out of sight pretty quickly. I downvoat and don't post in them. If something unbelievably disgusting needs to be refuted, then let someone call the OP on t and be done with it. Piling on just keeps the damn thing up there in the rankings.

ThePuppetShow ago

Before I left the problem I was seeing was shill accounts commenting in the threads keep them alive. I even mad a post about the importance of using your votes because people weren't downvoting. I don't know how much things have changed, I just got back today from a month long break from this place. But, Media Matters will make everyone look like crazy idiots if you don't refute their bullshit.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1767547/8656003

quantokitty ago

I believe I understand your point, but if you don't comment, they have no fuel to make people look crazy other than the OP him/herself. I've been watching the difference in not responding, and really, the posts just drop right through. I totally agree about the downvoating, Use those downvoats!

ThePuppetShow ago

That's not true. A month ago I was seeing ridiculous stuff getting posted and other shill accounts commenting on how great it was or how it's a great new lead and everything was getting upvotes. It would be simple if they were just relying on the OP, but they're making comments too. I definitely agree that one person to refute them is enough, but people need to use their votes.

quantokitty ago

I haven't noticed that. It could be because I'm avoiding shill posts. Absolutely, everyone should use their downvoats. And they should also be sure to upvoat the forum member that reads them the riot act. The worst thing anyone can do is get in a protracted fight. I believe we can agree on that also, so: (1) downvoat; (2) no beng shillbaited into a protracted fight over nonsense; and (3) upvoat the forum member's comment that sets things right.

ThePuppetShow ago

Here's a good example of framing a picture. This is how they want to present us. Hate filled far right neo Nazis.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1893549

quantokitty ago

Yeah, I've seen this floating around, but look ... somebody gave a body "check yourself", a couple more comments, and gone ... poof! Into mysterium land!

Don't worry about this crap. It's nonsense, looks like nonsense, smells like nonsense and not worth getting upset about. The quality of posts here attest to what we're about.

V____Z ago

Absolutely 1,000 times YES to every word.

I got the idea of teaming just before you wrote it. I've done that with a couple people here spontaneously (like with the recent Podesta/pool/child porn post) and it really is the way to go. I wanted help from others and realized we don't have a forum for asking for assistance. What if we made a new sub v/pizzagateinvestigations where each new thread was a separate area of investigation (sticking to your parameters, aka our roots - the emails & subsequent finds) and people could weigh in and help. For instance with the Podesta post, I was able to use people's suggestions, insights, comments, to keep adding to the article. It really helps if we put our minds and energy together. People can burn out easily, and people who are victims of pedophiles can experience brain freeze when dealing with this stuff. I sometimes black out completely, but when there is a team, others can pick up the slack and keep the ball rolling.

Vindicator ago

We don't have a forum for asking for assistance

But we DO! That was the hope for v/AskPizzagate.

V____Z ago

Seems less focused than what I had in mind though. I mean one specifically, no holds barred, ONLY for active investigations into leads specifically related to pizzagate-proper - the very narrow definition that we began with. I see a post in the "hot" section there about Snoop Dog and Bow Wow. So it suffers from the same problem i'm trying to address, and the very thing that has weakened v/ PG.

Seeing that this has happened, perhaps we can pivot to something brand new - a brand new sub with very tight restrictions for the handful of people who wish to work like we did in the early days, and stick to the narrow confines of pizzagate-only leads/evidence. There is more to be discovered, contrary to popular opinion. Ryan, for instance, had said several times lately that although he is not going to do it with good reason, investigators are needed to finish the work with Pegasus. Now, obviously the powers that be don't want this to happen, and oddly enough, it ISN'T happening. If we had this new sub i'm suggesting, this fact could be highlighted and perhaps the problem remedied. I know there are people interested in continuing on, they just don't have a place to organize (at least not on Voat). And I know that if the powers that be don't want us to organize, it will be difficult. But why not give it a try? One last thought: since we see that TPTB find it worthwhile to put out an unheard-of amount of effort into stopping our work, hindering our effectiveness, muting our message, then we can assume that they know our work has the potential to hurt them - to out them - perhaps to send some of them to jail. That is reason enough to try a new idea because seriously, this old way is no longer effective. We are completely overrun. Brock knows what he's doing.

horse-with-a-name ago

Very good idea. Once we have accumulated enough good ideas, we should seek to present them to the community (mods included).

V____Z ago

Sounds right to me :)

quantokitty ago

Absolutely, the subverse would work. The thing is people's brains work differently. You get a few people attacking the problem from different angles, you're going to cover things you wouldn't normally. I want to go back to the old school key players, and there's someone that turned up that should be revisited. But, yeah, subverse, please. Let's get things rolling. Obviously, it's investigation that people want to read. It's why so few people are voating and viewing.

And did @pizzagatedetective make that invitee list?