I think you've made excellent points. I do think the quality of the posts has declined due to the hard investigative type of post disappearing. Either videos with journalists rehashing what's already been said are posted, or straight up news stories with no commentary. While both of those are completely valid and part of pizzagate, it was the investigative style that uncovered all the evidence.
While that's one variable that's leading to the decline, the other is: shills and shill posts. Not sure what can be done about this other than voating up the valid posts, downvoating shit, and not making comments in it either. If you make a negative comment, it's still treated as activity in that thread so please don't do it.
But I really think the heart of the problem is pizzagaters getting back to solid investigative posts. Uncover new evidence. When you do, I notice that it's quickly spread amongst the entire community and that's when the active users jump. But for a news headline? Well, unless it's news nobody heard of, or a breaking story, people can pretty well get that from any news source, so let's get back to the hard core investigation of the key players: Alefantis and his friends, the Pedostas, throw the kids into the pool Luzzatto, the Cannibal Queen, and all the pervs in Pedo/RapeyWood.
I've been entirely guilty of posting the quickie threads because of the time element. I started to work on a couple of things (and Dear Lord please let me have saved all the links I found), but it takes hours to compile and write a comprehensive overview of what point you're trying to make. But even with my sporadic forays into the dark world of this revolting story, there is so much we haven't uncovered.
Maybe it would be good if we teamed up. That idea was presented a while back, but I haven't seen it done. I was hoping for some of the excellent investigators that I know hang out here to really dig into one subject and go at it from all angles. I would love to see that done, but even if it isn't, please let's get back to what made this story compelling and investigate the core of this rotten apple. Don't get thrown off by people telling us that we need to be going to Belgium to find anything. On the contrary, what we find here, in the dirty little center of the soul-less beings haunting the corridors of power, will lead us to where we need to go and not the reverse.
If you say nothing in the shill threads, they will keep posting ridiculous comments and upvoting everything in them before linking them elsewhere like that's what we're discussing here. I pointed this out a month ago before I left for a bit. This is their game, they're framing the narrative.
I believe if no one posts, they drop out of sight pretty quickly. I downvoat and don't post in them. If something unbelievably disgusting needs to be refuted, then let someone call the OP on t and be done with it. Piling on just keeps the damn thing up there in the rankings.
Before I left the problem I was seeing was shill accounts commenting in the threads keep them alive. I even mad a post about the importance of using your votes because people weren't downvoting. I don't know how much things have changed, I just got back today from a month long break from this place. But, Media Matters will make everyone look like crazy idiots if you don't refute their bullshit.
I believe I understand your point, but if you don't comment, they have no fuel to make people look crazy other than the OP him/herself. I've been watching the difference in not responding, and really, the posts just drop right through. I totally agree about the downvoating, Use those downvoats!
That's not true. A month ago I was seeing ridiculous stuff getting posted and other shill accounts commenting on how great it was or how it's a great new lead and everything was getting upvotes. It would be simple if they were just relying on the OP, but they're making comments too. I definitely agree that one person to refute them is enough, but people need to use their votes.
I haven't noticed that. It could be because I'm avoiding shill posts. Absolutely, everyone should use their downvoats. And they should also be sure to upvoat the forum member that reads them the riot act. The worst thing anyone can do is get in a protracted fight. I believe we can agree on that also, so: (1) downvoat; (2) no beng shillbaited into a protracted fight over nonsense; and (3) upvoat the forum member's comment that sets things right.
Yeah, I've seen this floating around, but look ... somebody gave a body "check yourself", a couple more comments, and gone ... poof! Into mysterium land!
Don't worry about this crap. It's nonsense, looks like nonsense, smells like nonsense and not worth getting upset about. The quality of posts here attest to what we're about.
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quantokitty ago
I think you've made excellent points. I do think the quality of the posts has declined due to the hard investigative type of post disappearing. Either videos with journalists rehashing what's already been said are posted, or straight up news stories with no commentary. While both of those are completely valid and part of pizzagate, it was the investigative style that uncovered all the evidence.
While that's one variable that's leading to the decline, the other is: shills and shill posts. Not sure what can be done about this other than voating up the valid posts, downvoating shit, and not making comments in it either. If you make a negative comment, it's still treated as activity in that thread so please don't do it.
But I really think the heart of the problem is pizzagaters getting back to solid investigative posts. Uncover new evidence. When you do, I notice that it's quickly spread amongst the entire community and that's when the active users jump. But for a news headline? Well, unless it's news nobody heard of, or a breaking story, people can pretty well get that from any news source, so let's get back to the hard core investigation of the key players: Alefantis and his friends, the Pedostas, throw the kids into the pool Luzzatto, the Cannibal Queen, and all the pervs in Pedo/RapeyWood.
I've been entirely guilty of posting the quickie threads because of the time element. I started to work on a couple of things (and Dear Lord please let me have saved all the links I found), but it takes hours to compile and write a comprehensive overview of what point you're trying to make. But even with my sporadic forays into the dark world of this revolting story, there is so much we haven't uncovered.
Maybe it would be good if we teamed up. That idea was presented a while back, but I haven't seen it done. I was hoping for some of the excellent investigators that I know hang out here to really dig into one subject and go at it from all angles. I would love to see that done, but even if it isn't, please let's get back to what made this story compelling and investigate the core of this rotten apple. Don't get thrown off by people telling us that we need to be going to Belgium to find anything. On the contrary, what we find here, in the dirty little center of the soul-less beings haunting the corridors of power, will lead us to where we need to go and not the reverse.
ThePuppetShow ago
If you say nothing in the shill threads, they will keep posting ridiculous comments and upvoting everything in them before linking them elsewhere like that's what we're discussing here. I pointed this out a month ago before I left for a bit. This is their game, they're framing the narrative.
quantokitty ago
I believe if no one posts, they drop out of sight pretty quickly. I downvoat and don't post in them. If something unbelievably disgusting needs to be refuted, then let someone call the OP on t and be done with it. Piling on just keeps the damn thing up there in the rankings.
ThePuppetShow ago
Before I left the problem I was seeing was shill accounts commenting in the threads keep them alive. I even mad a post about the importance of using your votes because people weren't downvoting. I don't know how much things have changed, I just got back today from a month long break from this place. But, Media Matters will make everyone look like crazy idiots if you don't refute their bullshit.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1767547/8656003
quantokitty ago
I believe I understand your point, but if you don't comment, they have no fuel to make people look crazy other than the OP him/herself. I've been watching the difference in not responding, and really, the posts just drop right through. I totally agree about the downvoating, Use those downvoats!
ThePuppetShow ago
That's not true. A month ago I was seeing ridiculous stuff getting posted and other shill accounts commenting on how great it was or how it's a great new lead and everything was getting upvotes. It would be simple if they were just relying on the OP, but they're making comments too. I definitely agree that one person to refute them is enough, but people need to use their votes.
quantokitty ago
I haven't noticed that. It could be because I'm avoiding shill posts. Absolutely, everyone should use their downvoats. And they should also be sure to upvoat the forum member that reads them the riot act. The worst thing anyone can do is get in a protracted fight. I believe we can agree on that also, so: (1) downvoat; (2) no beng shillbaited into a protracted fight over nonsense; and (3) upvoat the forum member's comment that sets things right.
ThePuppetShow ago
Here's a good example of framing a picture. This is how they want to present us. Hate filled far right neo Nazis.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1893549
quantokitty ago
Yeah, I've seen this floating around, but look ... somebody gave a body "check yourself", a couple more comments, and gone ... poof! Into mysterium land!
Don't worry about this crap. It's nonsense, looks like nonsense, smells like nonsense and not worth getting upset about. The quality of posts here attest to what we're about.