Significant Lead: Former CIA Monarch slave Katy Groves reveals her elite pedophile parents' names (pizzagate)

submitted ago by Sitnikoff

Katy Groves is an individual who suffers a severe case of poly-fragmented dissociative identity disorder as a result of having undergone trauma-based mind control in the CIA's mind control programs. Her parents were born into the early Mk-Ultra programs in the 1950's, and attempted to raise her to be a handler like them in underground child-snuff rings in Texas. Fortunately, she was able to escape and share her story on Youtube.

Recently, she released a video revealing the names of her parents. Here is her video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhNqCf5RvP0

Here's the links she shared in the video's description:

Her father: Kevin Groves https://drkevingroves.com/about/

Her mother: Susan Groves http://www.pianotexas.org/2011/tea_participants.asp#groves http://www.pianotexas.org/2016/teachersperformers.asp#Susan_Groves

This is significant because we can now for example look into who may be connected with these individuals and possibly uncover another hidden branch of the global pedophile ring, among many other things.

If this post has led you to connect further dots, share your findings with us here on this post.

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think- ago

There is no proof that the alleged 'Monarch' program ever existed, unlike other MK Ultra programs like MK Artichoke.

ASolo ago

Well, I think- all you did here was throw in some conjecture to make the entire thing confusing, I'm pretty sure it's quite accepted among the entire community that the "monarch" subtitle was pertinent not only in recognizing this type of governmental programming it name is instrumental IN THE PROCESS -as in a TRANSFORMATION. The esoteric, ethereal and metaphysical understanding of the entire project relies on this juxtaposition I'm not sure why you think you can take that aspect away from the entire breadth of research here in VOAT on this one particular thread. You are throwing your weight around where it doesn't belong and using power and force to make it effective. This is so wrong I'm not sure who you think you are. I'm not even sure you can claim that it was only tossed around by Kathy O'Brian and her "spook" husband which is a subject ALSO STILL UNDER DEBATE... why is it you think you are the ultimate authority on this matter and to prove it would take an immense amount of work. No, I'm not going to accept your assertion and you cannot make it with overwhelming authority to have this kids entire thread flaired. Absolutely not.

@think @Vindicator

I'm expecting you guys to fix this. Please stop throwing your power around where it doesn't belong.

think- ago

Err.....@ASolo? First, I'm not a mod anymore, remember? I only voiced my opinion, and supported @Vindicator for flairing this thread. I still stand my ground.

to make the entire thing confusing

No. That's what OP did (innocently, though, without realizing it). I tried to get to the bottom of the 'Monarch' stuff.

Don't know why you are so pissed off, @ASolo.

Please stop throwing your power around where it doesn't belong.

I don't have any more power than you have. And @Vindicator didn't throw 'his power around'. He rightly flaired the thread because it was nowhere mentioned in the video that the lady was in the alleged 'Monarch' program.

I'm not even sure you can claim that it was only tossed around by Kathy O'Brian and her "spook" husband

I didn't say that. But to my knowledge, she was the first alleged victim of this program coming forward, and she was supported by an ('ex'-)spook in doing so. Food for thought, don't you think?

One reason why I'm sceptical is that all the other mind control programs ran only for a quite short period - only a couple of years. Why would they have a single program with that specific name running over decades? Just askin'

Again: We need to be accurate. I don't want to take the spiritual aspect away from this discussion. But you ignored that I said the CIA might spread the story about a 'Monarch' program in order to deflect from a multitude of mind control programs they might have been running, with other names. Everybody might stare at 'Monarch', while behind the scenes - possibly - all kinds of programs have been running.

I accept that you beg to differ with me in this regard, I heard you, but please don't be aggressive. Ok?

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @Crensch @Shizy @srayzie

ASolo ago

I would have to say that the comment was hardly "aggressive", simply firm. I just don't believe you have the authority, right or privilege to make such a conundrum of an already existing premise. You have every absolute right to say it of course, but I also have the absolute right to refute it. And that, I guess, is where it will stand.

I'm not quite sure what you don't understand about the basic concepts in similarity between the monarch butterfly and the program itself, they are both essential in understanding MkULTRA, this is a ridiculous debate.

think- ago

You have every absolute right to say it of course, but I also have the absolute right to refute it. And that, I guess, is where it will stand.

Yes.

ASolo ago

Still luv ya! Don't hate me.

think- ago

Still luv ya! Don't hate me.

I don't hate you, ASolo. I was just miffed that you accused me and @Vindicator of being on a power trip, and by the overall tone of your comment, which came across as being a bit agressive.

It's all good now.

I'm glad that you're back on the board, and posting again.

Please keep up the good work.

@Crensch @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @Shizy

think- ago

this is a ridiculous debate

You started it, not me.

DeathToMasonsASAP ago

Look how all the pedo mods deny the existance of monarch program. You guys are predictable.

ASolo ago

Yeah I think- it's quite ridiculous myself.

think- ago

Yeah I think- it's quite ridiculous myself.

Ridiculous? Ouch. :-(

Sitnikoff ago

Doing a simple search on her Youtube channel will reveal that she claims to be both a "Monarch survivor" and an "Mk Ultra survivor;" this suggests that she has either participated in both programs, working hand-in-hand with eachother, or that she is using those words to refer to the general sense of CIA mind control programs whose names are not yet known to the public due to their concealed obscurity. Either way, I don't think mentioning "Monarch" in and of itself undermines the accuracy or credibility of the info shared here at all; one has a growing reservoir of Katy's shared personal experiences that enables us to gain significant insight into the subtleties of how CIA mind control programs operate among many other things.

PrideOfOshtekk ago

Nice try ;)

Zionists love covering their tracks, I see.

think- ago

yawn

If you had taken the time to read my other comments on this thread, you would know that I said that mind control research by the CIA has been surely continued to this day, but in projects with other names.

So you better try harder next time, or people will think you are CIA, buddy.

PrideOfOshtekk ago

That may be so, but its odd that you are claiming everything is a limited hangout and trying to actively discredit whistleblowers, no? MK Ultra began in the 50's. The Monarch program is probably an extension of it from a more recent decade. Moreover, they may have specific offshoots of MK Ultra; one of them is probably Monarch. If you can't find other names, then Monarch is most likely it.

What people think is irrelevant. I am not here because I accepted what others told me at face value.

For instance, here are people here on voat who honestly believe that the Nazis were dA g00d GA1zz, or that Bush was not one of them. Like I'm gonna agree with that.

think- ago

but its odd that you are claiming everything is a limited hangout

I don't. And there's nothing odd with saying that an 'ex'-CIA agent is not so 'ex'-CIA as he wanted us to believe.

Moreover, they may have specific offshoots of MK Ultra

That's what I said in my comments here.

one of them is probably Monarch

Possible, but not proven.

I am not here because I accepted what others told me at face value.

Same here. :-)

and trying to actively discredit whistleblowers, no?

No. I never said I don't believe her accusations against her parents.

We are here to find out the truth, and we need to be accurate.

PrideOfOshtekk ago

I can agree with that. Good point with the ex-CIA btw. Forgot to take into consideration that there is no such thing as ex-CIA :)

think- ago

Forgot to take into consideration that there is no such thing as ex-CIA

Yes. Once a spook, always a spook....

ASolo ago

Ok ok guys. Yeah think- I think you are a little overreaching in this supposition not sure this little thread is going to change the idea in the majority of researchers that have already been down this road.

think- ago

Yeah think- I think you are a little overreaching in this supposition

I don't think so. There once was an interview with Marc Phillips, Cathy O'Brian and a young woman that lived with them, somewhere abroad. Might be still on YT.

They alleged that the night before somewhere broke into the house where the footage had been stored, and went to the PC, and stole and deleted some footage.

So in parts of that filmed interview, you only see a video still, and a tape recording, without film.

BUT

There was nothing in that parts of the interview that would have made someone break into a house, and steal it. Nothing. No secrets that would have been needed to suppress.

So I think they lied about this, to give themselves greater credibility.

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @Crensch @srayzie @Shizy

ASolo ago

Ugh, facepalm.

think- ago

I'm not the only one who thinks this was fishy, @ASolo.

PrideOfOshtekk ago

Preach.

Oh_Well_ian ago

I think we can all assume that Monarch was/is real and MKUltra was never mothballed, but expanded.

Blacksmith21 ago

MK was never mothballed. the projects changed name. They played the shell game. Don't think for a second that they gave up that level of power and control.

21yearsofdigging ago

Absolutely correct. It is a shell game and they keep changing it up but the technology torture is only getting more sophisticated.

think- ago

MK was never mothballed. the projects changed name.

Yes, that's what I think as well. So what's your take on the 'Monarch' name? It was used already by Cathy O'Brian at the beginning of the 1980s, IIRC.

@Vindicator

Blacksmith21 ago

If you're asking do I think if MONARCH is an urban legend vs a real program, I'd say it is real. There are too many claims of it's existence by victims. Maybe the seeds of doubt could be sown as the program had a completely different program name and MONARCH was to throw scent off the trail. That would be 1970s for the earliest references, I think.

Whatever the program name(s) were, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that experiments were performed on the incarcerated, juveniles, wards of the state, mentally ill, etc. All well documented. I've spoke to survivors of programming, mostly in the technical area.

think- ago

I think you partly got me wrong - I am sure they have been conducting mind control experiments (to this day). And MK Ultra was real too, of course.

That would be 1970s for the earliest references, I think.

Ok, thanks.

@Vindicator

think- ago

I think that MK Ultra was never mothballed, but continues to this day.

I just never saw any evidence of an alleged project 'Monarch', apart from alleged victims, who might not know the name of the program they got involved in, and simply refer to it as 'project Monarch', because this was spread on by limited hangouts like Cathy O'Brian's late husband. And this is the reason why I'm sceptical about the name.

21yearsofdigging ago

This is an article about a researcher that was unrelenting digging down on those hidden or misplaced documents. Lots still missing but remember, this is MSM and even they admit that is still over 1000 missing documents regarding MKULTRA. I have been harassed and targeted for over 23 years trying to get to the bottom of what my ex wife was involved in and what happened to my children. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7920010/cia-mkultra-mind-control-drugs-hypnosis-electric-documents/

think- ago

Lots still missing but remember, this is MSM and even they admit that is still over 1000 missing documents regarding MKULTRA.

Thank you! They actually might have other projects with other names (too). I started to get suspicious when Cathy O'Brian's 'ex'-CIA started pushing that name.

I have been harassed and targeted for over 23 years trying to get to the bottom of what my ex wife was involved in and what happened to my children.

Yes. It is terrible what they did to you. I still remember your post when you described how your ex-wife looked at the kittie that was about to drown, and didn't react. :-(

kestrel9 ago

Most of the early documents were destroyed in 1973 https://www.history.com/topics/us-government/history-of-mk-ultra. But some info was recovered (found in accounting records?) http://archive.is/d9CLD

Here's more info: https://www.illuminatirex.com/list-of-mkultra-subprojects/

Vindicator ago

Hold the phone, @think- @21yearsofdigging --> page 62 of that Imgur album posted by IamQ references Monarch. I'm looking at this backup pdf created for us by a trusted Voat goat: https://files.catbox.moe/4r91rf.pdf. It includes a 4chan page discussing a quote from CIA Director William Colby where he essentially admits it existed. It is quoted from an article in The New Federalist we can probably find!

@Blacksmith21 @darkknight111

ASolo ago

Well there you go. Cut this nonsense out.

Vindicator ago

?

think- ago

Anton Chaitkin, “Franklin Witnesses Implicate FBI and U.S. Elites in Torture and Murder of Children.” The New Federalist, 1993

Vindicator ago

I did a quick search for that publication but could not find any references to it other than what is in this document. I searched by the title of the article and the name of the publication.

think- ago

Maybe user 353....... can help with that. They are currently reading the book 'The Franklin Cover-up'. It seems that Chaitkin put the info also in an article he wrote for John DeCamp's book. (Do you know the user's correct screenname?)

BUT please keep in mind that Colby is a former CIA director. He was close to DeCamp. If we allege that Cathy O'Brian's husband, who also was CIA, spread the rumour via Cathy that there was a program called 'Monarch', it would be understandable why Colby confirmed it, and John DeCamp (according to David Shurter a limited hangout who helped to keep the main perps out of focus) put it into his book. Makes senses?

Question: All the other CIA MK Ultra programs were running only for a couple of years. Then they started new, related programs. When you consider that Cathy O'Brian mentioned the 'Monarch' program at the beginning of the 1980s (I think), this would mean that it has been running now for more than 25 years.

Given that there have been constantly new developments in medicine and psychology etc., it seems unlikely to me that they would have only one program running over this long period of time.

TL;DR: For the time being, I stick to the hypothesis that the name might be a cover and distraction for real mind control programs.

Colby btw. was involved in the Phoenix program in Vietnam IIRC, which used psy-ops, mind control and torture to frighten the enemy.

think- ago

@ASolo @darkknight111 @Blacksmith21 @letsdothis3: please see above.

darkknight111 ago

The torture techniques used in the Phoenix program were straight out of SRA methods. Raping local women, inserting eels into the nether regions of local women, cutting open peoples skulls to extract their pineal glands and eat them right in front of their victims.

That last one proves “they” knew about adrenochrome in the 60’s.

think- ago

Thank you! :-)

@Vindicator: please see the info about MK Ultra projects provided by @kestrel9 above.

Vindicator ago

Thanks. I've saved them offline. We should endeavor to add these in Comments to ever thread about MKUltra. :-)

@kestrel9 @21yearsofdigging

kestrel9 ago

I want to start keeping topic links together similar to QRSP. At this point it may be easier to link pages to a PG section as well as expand the MKUltra topic. https://voat.co/v/QRSP/2788337

Is there a go to list of 'ever thread topics' for PG? I can integrate info within QRSP. I was considering a sub like it specific for PG but I don't think I can do two right now.

Vindicator ago

I kind of made one in my Happy Birthday Pizzagate submission a couple of months ago, and I've been meaning to make a more formal one, but so far, this is it.

kestrel9 ago

Right now I have PG links here https://voat.co/v/QRSP/2786341 (under Q ;) , and was planning on putting expanded connections under the pedogate section, to include PG links. It'll get there. Thank you for your hard work!

think- ago

Good idea! :-)

kestrel9 ago

np, you're welcome :)

think- ago

@Vindicator: please see parent. Thanks.

Vindicator ago

Yes, I agree with you. I spent several days scouring the net to find Project Monarch, and came up with no hard evidence of it.

think- ago

The title should have been MKUltra slave, not Monarch slave.

Yes. Good that you flaired 'Accuracy'.

@21yearsofidigging has been so kind to provide us with this link:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7920010/cia-mkultra-mind-control-drugs-hypnosis-electric-documents/

I think the whole 'Monarch' story might be to deflect from a bunch of other MK Ultra programs with other names. Victims might not know these names, so they use 'Monarch', because people like Cathy O'Brian have used it.