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think- ago

There is no proof that the alleged 'Monarch' program ever existed, unlike other MK Ultra programs like MK Artichoke.

Oh_Well_ian ago

I think we can all assume that Monarch was/is real and MKUltra was never mothballed, but expanded.

Blacksmith21 ago

MK was never mothballed. the projects changed name. They played the shell game. Don't think for a second that they gave up that level of power and control.

think- ago

MK was never mothballed. the projects changed name.

Yes, that's what I think as well. So what's your take on the 'Monarch' name? It was used already by Cathy O'Brian at the beginning of the 1980s, IIRC.

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Blacksmith21 ago

If you're asking do I think if MONARCH is an urban legend vs a real program, I'd say it is real. There are too many claims of it's existence by victims. Maybe the seeds of doubt could be sown as the program had a completely different program name and MONARCH was to throw scent off the trail. That would be 1970s for the earliest references, I think.

Whatever the program name(s) were, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that experiments were performed on the incarcerated, juveniles, wards of the state, mentally ill, etc. All well documented. I've spoke to survivors of programming, mostly in the technical area.

think- ago

I think you partly got me wrong - I am sure they have been conducting mind control experiments (to this day). And MK Ultra was real too, of course.

That would be 1970s for the earliest references, I think.

Ok, thanks.

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