Previous submission regarding Spokane, Morning Star Boys Ranch, and Gonzaga University
Recently, Gonzaga University has been brought under fire when Reveal News investigated Gonzaga University and discovered more than 20 priests accused of sexual abuse were living at the Cardinal Bea House on campus.
From the article:
A trove of internal Jesuit correspondence shows a longstanding pattern of Jesuit officials in the Oregon Province—an administrative area that included Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho and Alaska—privately acknowledging issues of inappropriate sexual behavior, but not releasing that information to the public, which avoided scandal and protected the perpetrators from prosecution.
When abuse was discovered, the priests would be reassigned, sometimes to another Native community.
Once the abusive priests reached retirement age, the Jesuits moved them to Cardinal Bea House on Gonzaga’s campus or another Jesuit residence, to comfortably spend the rest of their lives in relative peace and safety.
Father John Whitney, former Oregon Province and who was responsible for Father James Poole - one of the most abusive priests there - moving into Cardinal Bea House, admitted in a deposition in 2005 that he did not notify Gonzaga administrators or Spokane police about Poole's history. Poole regularly attended basketball games and other events while living on campus, and even met with a female student alone - despite the fact that he previously abused more than 20 girls, one as young as 6 years old.
4 days after that story broke, Gonzaga Vice Presidents, Fathers Frank Case and Patrick Lee, resigned.
Now, Catholics are calling for Cardinal Blase Cupich to resign. Cupich was bishop of Spokane from 2010-2015 and knew the predator priests were living at Cardinal Bea House after he was informed by Father Lee that 7 offenders were living on campus at the time. Cupich did not inform Bishop Thomas Daly, who became bishop of Spokane in 2015, after Cupich.
Cupich is now serving as Archbishop of Chicago. A petition demanding Cupich's resignation states that the Illinois attorney General recently accused Cupich and other Illinois bishops of withholding names of more than 500 priests accused of sexual abuse.
@Factfinder2 pointed out in a comment on my previous submission that Cupich, bishop of Spokane at the time, oversaw the settlement agreement between victims of sexual abuse at Morning Star Boys Ranch.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
revealnews - https://archive.vn/b95iM
spokesman - https://archive.vn/DrwRx
churchmilitant - https://archive.vn/Vtu7G
ncregister - https://archive.vn/0GOa9
krem - https://archive.vn/lQLtn
complicitclergy - https://archive.vn/94Lho
khq - https://archive.vn/71G7B
gonzaga - https://archive.vn/LqyWx and https://archive.vn/abtBV and https://archive.vn/bd8CC and https://archive.vn/bd8CC
kxly - https://archive.vn/oMJLD
Piscina ago
Who the hell names a boys' home after Lucifer, the morning star? Oh that's right: Satanists.
Here is Morning Star's newsletter, aptly named The Harvester
Shizy ago
Actually, Jesus is the morning star. Satan may have tried to hyjack that like everything else, but it's not true:
Revelation 22:16 KJV I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Piscina ago
The Bible refers to both Jesus and lucifer as 'the Morning Star'. Isaiah 14:12:
Rendered by the King James Version as “O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
The Babylonians worshipped their dead king Nimrod as 'the Morning Star' (sun worship). Nimrod aka Baal aka Saturn. The Babylonians thought Saturn was the sun.
'Order of the Eastern Star - Freemasonry'. Freemasons worship lucifer. You only have to see how many Freemasons lodges are called 'Morning Star' to know that Morning Star=lucifer.
EricKaliberhall ago
@twistedmac11 is an alt used by ESOTERICshade that is a proven disinformation whore. @Piscina likewise. THIS SUBMISSION WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY MEDIA MATTERS!
twistedmac11 ago
@vindicator in the ESOTERICshade sticky, I asked multiple times how to prove I'm not an alt and didn't get a response. I posted a screenshot of my one username out of desperation. I haven't posted shit in months, and the only reason I posted this is because it directly related to a previous submission I made. Am I forever going to be trolled until I am off voat completely, even though I'm not an ESOTERICshade alt? How is this kind of behavior acceptable for mods?
Vindicator ago
I am happy to review what you said there. We are trying to sort out who is doing the gaslighting and who has been gaslit, twisted. You'll have to link me directly, though. There are over 1,000 comments in that thread now. Individual tidbits are difficult to find.
The only reason this sub even has mods, TM, is to prevent the kind of consensus cracking and research suppression orchestrated by ES and his brigade. Our tools are either banning accounts or communicating about them. We have banned no one.
The only person who has access to IP/machine id information about users is @PuttItOut. I don't know if there is a way for him to confirm you are not part of the sock puppet vote manipulation group, but if he can and lets me know, @EricKaliberhall, @Crensch and I will be happy to proceed amicably.
Short of that possibility, I would recommend linking to and copypasting the comment you made where you apologized for whatever roll you played in helping ES or the Jem death psyop in response to Eric. The readers will have to decide for themselves.
Vindicator ago
Another suggestion would be to create a submission in v/pizzagatemods making your case for yourself, linking to the claims that have been made about you and addressing them. We can all look at the evidence and weigh in, as can those who appreciate your contributions. It will also give you a handy link to use in reply in circumstances such as this.
twistedmac11 ago
Thank you for your responses. I really appreciate it.
This is where I posted my screenshot.
Totally agree. But trolling users, calling them names, making threats like I'm going to fuck you up (as can be seen all on this thread, although not directed at me, but at another "ES alt") goes beyond simply communicating about users.
I will link to the comment where I directly said I will not apologize, if you would like. Your proof of my "help" was me saying I didn't see any serious evidence of vote brigading in the one specific link that you posted. See here and here. I will not apologize for something I didn't do. I also never discussed the Jem death thing, there was too much around it that seemed suspicious and it was such a shit show that I never wanted to get dragged into it.
No offense, but going into the lions den doesn't sound like such a good time. I saw how it went on the ES sticky. I don't see how a thread in v/pizzagatemods will go any differently.
Again, thank you for responding.
Vindicator ago
Well, TM, I reviewed this just now, and I'd have to say if you are unwilling to admit your participation in ES's fuckery and apologize, you're probably out of luck. Let's review...
No, TM, my proof was me warning you six months ago that Esoteric was trying to astroturf and censor people, which directly contradicts your claim that:
He tried to toxify and brigade a post made by @EricKaliberhall which met all submission rules, simply because he didn't like the topic, so I called him out on it and stickied it to prevent him from sliding it off the board. That made you pretty angry and you spent a lot of time in that thread claiming there was no sock puppet brigade and defending ES. I presented linked evidence to you in that thread six months ago that ES was vote brigading, but you just dismissed it. Then you claimed you didn't know, when you most certainly did. Now you are claiming there is no evidence you support ES and you are being unfairly targeted by mean mods (a narrative ES is also pushing, btw), when there is.
Now, while I don't endorse Eric's tone in dealing with you and believe he should use linked evidence in every such confrontation, I do agree with his assessment -- even more so now that you have reiterated your refusal take responsibility for your participation in undermining the board.
twistedmac11 ago
Alright, let's do this.
Here you are gaslighting. You do not link any such "proof". You link to a comment on a post about Q that was stickied to v/pizzagate. The post had 31 downvotes total, so I was obviously not alone in my feelings, which were simply that Q BS shouldn't be stickied in this sub. In fact, the top commenters, none of which are ES alts as far as I know (unless you know otherwise, which is possible), all seem to have the same opinion. Actually, now that I'm looking, even if you ignore the ES comments (and his rarepeeks comment), you have to really do some scrolling to get to any comment that doesn't disagree with the video or having it stickied. You're telling me that that has nothing to do with the number of downvotes? People vote with who they agree with. In this case, I see people largely agreeing that the video shouldn't have been stickied. I did not, and still do not, see that as blatant proof of vote brigading. Now, I do see ES and his alt rarepeeks both commenting on that post, so that would probably account for a whopping 2 of each vote (up or down, depending on the comment), but that's hardly proof of a brigade (please don't take me as that excusing it or saying it's okay, I'm just saying it doesn't account for all of the votes you were mentioning as proof in your comment). I'm sorry that that is such a sore point for you, but that certainly does not make me an alt.
Yes, he was all over the post. But so were a bunch of other users who also did not agree with the video. Are you saying you think all of those users are incapable of thinking for themselves and were duped into not liking the video because ES said so? I'm not sure I buy what you're selling.
ES is not the only user I've stuck up for. I have a tendency to say something when I see people being treated unfairly, which is probably why I feel such a connection to pizzagate. At the time, I was not aware of his manipulative tactics. Had I been aware I was going to get dragged into this shit, trust me, I wouldn't have stood up for him. But I would still have been open with you and whoever else if I didn't agree with something, just like I was in my comment on the Q video.
How about the idea that the mods, specifically Eric in this case, are being mean? So mods can run around saying whatever the hell they like and users can't say shit, or else risk being called an alt and accused of pushing the same narrative of someone else? Just because ES said something doesn't make it untrue. That's a logical fallacy. If ES said 2+2=4, and then you heard someone else say that, would they be an ES alt? Where do you draw the line? This is the only time I've pinged you for assistance with another mod (with the exception of once, back with millenialfalcon), and it was literally out of desperation, simply because I don't want to be trolled off of the board for something I am not.
I have hardly participated in "undermining the board". I spoke up when I didn't agree with things. I did not participate in vote brigading, and I have completely disassociated myself from ES (check if you like) since his alts were brought to light. Personally, I don't see there being any non-shady reasons to have alts, which is why I don't have any.
I've made it clear where I stand. I've always been straightforward and honest. You may not agree with me, you may not like me, but I am not an alt, and I don't deserve to be pushed off of the board or trolled when I post things. I would appreciate it if @puttitout would pull my IP and prove once and for all I am not ES so we can move past this shit.
twistedmac11 ago
No I'm not, and everything in the submission is verifiable.
The_Raven ago
The mods here are sus. Seriously. Why bother REEing about somebody being an alt when the info they're presenting is important with links? Somebody suggested posting everything PG related into v/QRV because there are more people there and the info will get more exposure since there are usually around 1500 people there compared to only 100 here. I agree and think it's time to abandon the v/Pizzagate ship cause it's sinking fast. Even if you don't believe in Q the PG topic will reach more people there.
Piscina ago
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
MolochHunter ago
so if an actual confirmed pedo posted some pizzagate disinfo on QRV , no -one would know that the user had already been outed as a pedo, bc theyd be anonymised
great strategy / priorities
The_Raven ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Why don't you give goats more credit ? Links would be requested, then verified or attacked. Besides I thought Voat has an upvoat / downvoat system so users could show who is legit. It's becoming clear that certain members only use the voating system to brigate positively or negatively as you can clearly see how my comments are being downvoated just because mods and their buddies don't like being questioned or decide someone isn't wanted 'round these parts.
MolochHunter ago
individual users act as free agents
Moderators have to act as a unified team
i dont care whether or not you dont understand the necessity of this, or how that will play out in their aggregate comparative conduct
The_Raven ago
What did you just say ???
how that will play out in their aggregate comparative conduct
I had to read that three times and I think I get what you're saying. So mods can gang up on members but everybody else is on their own even if other free agents don't agree with how other free agents are being treated. It's scary that you and the mods find that acceptable considering you pretty much admitted that bullying is allowed as long as you're one of the ones at the top of the pyramid. Seems like being a mod gives one a license to be abusive.
MolochHunter ago
All I'm saying is, If you attack a mod, expect a pack response, more likely than not
And I think you'll find that to be a truism of most subverse, everywhere , all the time
So don't be a naive dumbshit
So, going forward, it's up to you
Vindicator ago
Alefantis said so. Podesta said so. The NYT said so. The Washington Post said so. Snopes said so. Gizmodo said so. The Atlantic said so. Hillary said so. Hundreds of shills and a couple of confirmed child molestors who have trolled this board said so. You're in great company, @The_Raven.
What a convenient way to bury important research exposing the pedo elite and make sure it stays out of the archives of the board that is known as the world's largest collection of such documentation.
Those who want QRV eyeballs and don't want their work lost from the v/pizzagate archives should post their material here in v/pizzagate, and then make a Link submission in v/QRV directing others here. Important comments should be made on the submission here, where they can be found again by future researchers.
The_Raven ago
Everybody has said that v/Pizzagate would tank and the mods here have helped make their predictions a reality.
No, posting in v/QRV will get more exposure because there are hundreds more members there than at v/Pizzagate and v/QRV is a safer place because it's anon, so members can't be silenced by downvoats like I'm now experiencing because corrupt mods are downvoating to silence me because I speak the truth about them being corrupt.
MolochHunter ago
well if you're shtposting about the mods being corrupt, you really need to back your shit up with some 100% irrefutable evidence, or you're gonna be downvoated to the shithouse
and you were expecting some other outcome? ......
The_Raven ago
I already replied to Vindicator about certain mods behaving childishly by accusing members of being an alt. It's gotten beyond ridiculous. I'm surprised I'm not being called the alt of Amalek, EsotericShade, and anyone else that comes to mind.
The mods who aren't accusing members of being alts are complacent to even allow this behavior from mods. But its always overlooked and the brigading commences.
MolochHunter ago
sock puppetry is the single largest threat to the credibility of this sub
unify with the Mods against this or get steamrollered
srayzie ago
I’ll just drop this right here and then you choose what you want to do with it. You can go with facts, or you can go with rumors. There’s a lot more info information if you’re interested.
You sound like your mind is already made up tho.
@Vindicator @Crensch @Kevdude @Shizy @MolochHunter
Vindicator ago
By "everybody" you mean Esotericshade.
The_Raven ago
I said everybody because I was including those you mentioned in your post such as the NY Times, etc.
I don't need to post evidence when it's crystal clear. Why are you acting as though I'm the first and only person to say the mods here are behaving like they aren't on the side of investigators ?
If you and the other PG mods truly want Alefantis and others who are harming and murdering children arrested, I would think you would be supportive of branching out rather than keeping all of the info in one sub.
Vindicator ago
Because there's no evidence of either claim.
Nice deception tactic there, Raven. Where did I say the info should not be spread? Nowhere. In fact, I gave detailed instructions on how to maximize both the present and future accessibility of pizzagate research:
Why are you trying to smear mods?
The_Raven ago
Please link to the thread where you made that comment.
I'm not trying to smear mods. I'm sick of certain ones obsessing about alts and trying to ruin members who contribute good content thus making their content appear less than stellar. This isn't v/ProtectVoat which is a shitshow by itself without dragging v/Pizzagate into the padded room.
Vindicator ago
Sure. It's at the end of my reply to you, a few rungs up the comment tree earlier today: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2952647/15944335.
There are no mods trying to ruin members contributing good content. There are several keeping a close eye on specific users who have demonstrated themselves to be damaging to this subverse, it's users and their research by cooperating in an astroturfing vote manipulation campaign using sock puppet accounts, in strict violation of the Voat User Agreement.
If it's Crensch you have a problem with, you should know that I and a number of trusted subverse users supplied him with the evidence used in his stickied thread on this topic and asked him to get involved as the Owner of this subverse.
Unfortunately, "contributing good content" is one of the methods the shill network used to gain the credibility required to crack consensus and silence a segment of our userbase. It is not a sufficient yardstick by which to measure friends and foes on this board.
The_Raven ago
OK, I can agree with that but I think that it's time that PG evidence went mainstream and wasn't confined to a vault. Say for example that a video is released of Alefantis murdering a child, but it's only posted on v/Pizzagate. Sure it will be archived here, but unless someone is looking for it they won't see it until God knows when, but at least the 100 or so people that frequent this sub will know about it. On the other hand, if the video is posted to v/QRV, more people see it and it gets verified as true or false more quickly because more people (1200+) are there that may have those particular skills.
There really is no need for a PG archive being on one sub. As soon as someone plugs in certain terms in any search engine results will show regardless no matter if it's here or YouTube or Hooktube or Steemit or anywhere else. Why have it confined to just one place ? The internet is vast and we should all be for spreading PG info far and wide by posting it where it will gain the most traction in the shortest amount of time. It's sad that v/Pizzagate isn't that place anymore.
This will be my last comment here. I can see that anything I post will just be downvoat brigaded. Any pertinent and important PG info I feel needs eyes on it immediately will be posted in v/QRV because I trust free agents and respect their abilities to assess if info is legit and aren't too concerned as to who is bringing the info forward because the presenter isn't as important as the material. It's a shame that v/Pizzagate seems to be all about the who rather than the what.
Crensch ago
4 months. 100ccp
@vindicator
Vindicator ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2952647/15944335
Vindicator ago
Yeah. And then there's the oldie but goodie "it's time to abandon the v/Pizzagate ship cause it's sinking fast". Literally said by every shill we've seen on this board. So subtle.
The_Raven ago
Yeah, because I usually post in anon subs, genius.
Crensch ago
Maybe you should continue that Trend instead of pretending that you belong here.
The_Raven ago
Members can judge by my submissions and comments if you're correct.
The_Raven ago
^ This is an example of brigading. I made a polite and reasonable comment and said nothing that required 4 downvoats unless certain members are trying to silence me.
Crensch ago
I am.
EricKaliberhall ago
Recognize this Crensch?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2925239/15677248
Crensch ago
Carmencuntress and fagdryer responding to it? Kek.
EricKaliberhall ago
Same M.O. as ESOTERICshade.
The_Raven ago
It's interesting that just this comment has attracted your attention
Crensch ago
There's nothing interesting about you at all.
@kevdude @Vindicator @srayzie @shizy @EricKaliberhall
NOMOCHOMO ago
Reminder that Gonzaga was used as a repository for Pedophile Priests while simultaneously hosting:
A PRE-SCHOOL: https://www.gonzaga.edu/school-of-education/about/rosauer-center-for-education
An ELEMENTARY SCHOOL Mentoring Program:
https://www.gonzaga.edu/student-life/community-engagement-and-service/all-service-opportunities/youth-programs-and-initiatives/
And a HIGHSCHOOL PROGRAM:
https://www.gonzaga.edu/student-life/community-engagement-and-service/all-service-opportunities/youth-programs-and-initiatives/sparks-high-school-mentoring
THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE NUMEROUS SPORTS CAMPS FOR CHILDREN THAT THE UNIVERSITY SPONSORS/HOSTS
EricKaliberhall ago
Reminder: I'm gonna fuck you up like a motherfucker... NOMO!
Piscina ago
Oh my God, why are you saying you want to destroy someone who's criticising pedophiles and pedophilia? The only reasonable conclusion to draw is that you are in support of pedophiles.
think- ago
That's ridiculous, @Piscina, and you know it. Is this your new shtick? After alleging that the mods are paid? This btw, really sucked, too, considering that I spent a great amount of my spare time modding v/pizzagate for ten months.
@EricKaliberhall
EricKaliberhall ago
I will make you cry, cunt!
Hassan-I-Sabbah ago
You sound like a real tough guy. I bet five-year-olds are terrified of you.
Pick on somebody your own size, and I bet you end up with lead in your anus, bleeding out slowly on your way to Hell.
Piscina ago
I didn't realise that it was part of the mods' job description to troll users. Ignore him; he's not worth it.
EricKaliberhall ago
Talking to youself again? Fucking whore!
Piscina ago
Do you have anything to add to this thread, or are you just here to abuse people?
You sound like a whiny boy-baby whose parents decided to raise you as a girl when you were born with a micro-penis. All that internalised rage!!
twistedmac11 ago
Fucking terrible. Considering these pedophiles were apparently able to roam the campus freely, I can't even imagine how many kids they could have hurt, especially those special needs elementary school children.